RANKING THE BEST GREEN CARDS IN cEDH

[@DHDaegor]

10:24 - Just so people know, if you cast Mana Drain on a spell that can't be countered, Mana Drain still resolves and you will still get the mana on your next main phase. The mana is not contingent on successfully countering the spell. i.e. a spell that can't be countered is not an illegal target for a counterspell, so it doesn't fizzle.

[@diggerdog9205]

Wow! Never realized

[@TeamSprocket]

Can't wait for the upcoming videos for each of the 27 color combos individually! Infinite content!

[@jacob510]

Not that it makes Finale worse, I've seen too many people dump a million mana into it, swing out thinking it gives trample just to realize people can chump their creatures

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

OOF! Yeah, just gives haste, not trample, gotta play the rest of your creatures with your infinite mana first!

[@joshholmes1372]

Gotta have a trampler to fetch with it...

[@damo9961]

@@joshholmes1372 Yeah because a trampler to take out one player is exactly what you want to be tutoring for. My vanilla trampler sure is good in this limited format.

[@jasonlevesque6340]

​@damo9961 Ideally you can tutor for Cratorhoof. That's probably the most found card with Finale.

[@jacob510]

@@jasonlevesque6340 not in cEDH, at least not in one I've been in or seen. But hoof would be a decent target otherwise

[@arturstasienko2234]

One ring is also a legendary spell for delighted hailing.

[@josephkoepke1251]

Cam reads veil of summer off like he’s advertising princesses to lord farquad in shrek.

[@freerunner1953]

Bro I read this comment on a public toilet and laughed out loud

[@JimNightblade1]

@@freerunner1953 bro I was reading this comment while in the stall next to someone laughing. Was that you?

[@Lucas-alt-]

Congrats to Bowmaster for appearing in 5 episodes in a row👑

[@MRAIClassroom]

It seems to worm its way into the battlefield in every game of Cedh so rightfully so I suppose!

[@skylarthoma5353]

Did yall forget Birthing Pod and Vivien? Dylan mentioned it during Delighted Halfling, and I’m pretty sure he thinks they don’t suck 😂

[@lits2722]

I know a lot of people dont think legolas's quick reflexes is good enough in najeela, because you have access to counterspells, but after playtesting it a ton its an auto include in that deck for me. The uninteractable protection is so good, alongside taking extra combat steps to remove multiple things. I've also looped it with underworld breach and dorks with 1 power to kill stax creatures to go off. It has never felt dead to me but to each their own!

[@koreyg8552]

Green is still top tier if your deck can utilize all those creature tutors straight into battlefield to win. It’s what makes thrasio decks so good. People are sleeping on green

[@OceansTempest]

You guys are my fav content creators by far 👊🏼

[@iman132394]

If someone drops a mystical elf from yugioh and claims its a mana dork, we might have a problem.

[@man_zeus3817]

For Bloom Tender it is ESSENTIAL in Sisay which is definitely one of the TOP decks currently in the format. I think that alone should push it over the Mana Dorks at minimum.

[@jessepurdy6950]

Yeah I play it in my Tayam deck and its very good.

[@Revival_JamZ]

and derevi, najeela and likely most decks that have wubrg activation costs

[@B1gLupu]

@@Revival_JamZ Najeela doesn't want it since you activate only if you have infinites and you can do that already with Druid's Repository, Grim Hireling and Derevi

[@ubberJakerz]

I swear Sylvan Library is underrated... I know it's rough when it feels like you're constantly seeing the same cards with the ability, but that's why you use deck shufflers strategically like fetch lands and such.

[@BudgetPubStomper-lr7nh]

It totally is. In a faster deck that has no ways to abuse the one ring I would play library over the ring I think.. well, I did actually in my Malcolm Tana list.

[@CarmenPontello-xu6th]

Dude I just had that Vivian scenario the other day. Atraxa had a force of neg for it but I casted it with halfling. So good

[@gaugeth]

I cant get enough of these. Ya'll have quickly become my favorite MTG channels and one my favorites channels period. Keep doing what you guys do!

[@davidblackwell3326]

You should do a video where you rank all the fives (and sixes) from each of the ranking videos against each other

[@Josephhof]

Me playing lathril watching this deck, but the reference of use for these cards is never a green focused deck lol, Sick video! loved learning some new cards to add to my commander

[@aRFav713]

Sylvan Library is the OG for me, and while it's definitely gotten outclassed, it's still in every deck I play. I wish Green would get some sort of card advantage engine in the form of "Whenever a player does ___, you may draw a card." (not Runic Armasaur).

[@matthewjohnson3656]

There that one elk

[@eduardomendez7573]

100% would recommend viridian revel!

[@aRFav713]

@@eduardomendez7573 sick, thanks. For a dockside/treasure heavy meta, yeah that's nice. Thanks 🤘🏻

[@amaraleksandr2645]

@@eduardomendez7573awesome suggestion. How has it worked for you?

[@kennethpolsky8369]

Compost

[@taylorchamplin379]

I’m still pretty high on sylvan. It makes the cut in my kenrith list. I run mastermind, ledger shredder, and sylvan as card advantage 2 drops. I’ve found that sylvan outperforms archivist of oghma on average so I run it instead. I try and optimize so I have turn 1 or 2 card advantage in every hand. Also delighted halfling is a dud for Kenrith. Your etali example is peak halfling value but a lot of decks are starved for color pips and I just don’t think summoning sick colorless is good when a lot of the most powerful cards aren’t legendary. It got the cut.

[@towelociraptor]

Idk I think mystical elf would be a great card in cedh. It has 0 mana cost and is an 800/2000 because it's from Yu-Gi-Oh 😂

[@hamburg2488]

😂😂😂

[@fitnesshunter6302]

It also has haste as long on its not your first turn and your going first!

[@cyberphoniex7529]

The boys I can not emphasize this enough are back in town. Also yee and most importantly haw

[@FishyKoi]

Agreed that green is the weakest color in cEDH right now.

[@oscarperezcame]

Sadly, that's true

[@alainlamour5868]

There are some things that green does that are under utilized imo. The ability to make your spells uncounterable should probably be more explored in cEDH. Cards like vexing shusher, destiny spinner and veil of summer can win you games similarly to grand Abolisher

[@Bafflementation]

I'd have included Survival of the Fittest in the discussion, it's still a card that wins the game if it stays in play for a round or so.

[@krasimirpetrov1534]

Bloom Tender is one of the most important cards in sisay which is arguably one of the more popular and strong decks right now in the meta, but the card is otherwise unplayable in other decks

[@jessepurdy6950]

Its still strong and worth playing in Tayam.

[@aR0ttenBANANA]

@@jessepurdy6950 facts.

[@salomdi]

The 1 mana dorks were mentioned, but not utopia sprawl or wild growth, which can go mana neutral on the turn you play them. Are they notably worse than the dorks thanks to feeding dockside or the restrictions on them?

[@voidprism_studios666]

When I see a new play2win video, I get a boost in serotonin

[@midnalight6419]

Library is still a good rate. Yeah it sucks the first turn, but by the second turn, 2 mana for 3-4 cards is very good And by the time it's 6 it's faster than one ring draws

[@jasonandrews1770]

Greens biggest problem is that all their play styles play through creatures and combat wins, which having to play on board is just so much weaker than spellslinging

[@metalplaysgames]

love the carpet of flowers part lol

[@toctheyounger]

Holy shit, Cam got First Sliver Food Chain right first time! Nice work.

[@shaunbarber2325]

"I cut birds of paradise from some green decks." "Which ones"" "None that I have." me when I spread misinformation on the internet

[@Rondez]

1:20 What do you think can be done to make using mana dorks more efficient in low-color green decks?

[@ghost64626]

I know it's more of a meme deck right now, but Seedborn Muse is NUTS in Kadena morphs. She plays as many ways to cast creatures at flash speed as possible

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

I've heard this deck might actually be something

[@ghost64626]

@@PlaytoWinMTG it won a tournament recently. However, a major factor is most likely the "new deck what do" thing. Similar to Slicer and Liberator

[@GOOMBAHx]

FINALLYYYYY IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO

[@nickschmucker8836]

As a mono-green player (Marwyn) I find it funny all of the places where I disagree with this list. I think this list is pretty accurate for overall cEDH but it differs wildly from how I would rate cards for my deck

[@Highwang]

8:30 anytime I play Magus Lucea Kane in casual pods I always live in dread of the Bowmaster just ruining my plans

[@sampete4638]

For the Invasion of Ikoria negatives, not getting grand abolisher was one, but are you able to get the new Kutzil card to get a similar effect??

[@frenchgamerabroad7235]

46:14 can anyone eli5 the interaction he describes? I can’t seem to comprehend how you can loop this via the evoke?!

[@hellproof2379]

Ever think about how your scale is really a 0-50 you just throw a decimal in lol.

[@BVBridesifyer]

I mean with that logic yeah, every number is just another number divisible or multiplied by 10

[@hydra1259]

Bloom tender combo-ing with Kenrith is really nice

[@hydra1259]

Also kenny’s +1 counter ability helps deal with bowmasters

[@sammead7911]

I have such a surface level understanding of Magic, and so much of this goes over my head, but I really enjoy this show

[@Mana_Cryptid]

I’ve been waiting WEEKS for the green video let’s gooooo

[@arrivtuber]

I remember when I was able to play collector ouphe turn 1 off my gem stone caverns and thought with my dorks I'm gonna be able to get so far ahead. 6 turns later all my dorks were wiped and I was sitting there with sisay 23 treasures and an ouphe. The entire table was actually keeping him alive against everything I did to try and get rid of him. I cut him afterwards

[@joshbaker8767]

Force of Vigor didn't make the list?!

[@aaronwindham6065]

Do you think you guys could do an artifact and a land version? I guess colorless would do too, but it would pretty much be artifacts

[@magicalgirlanime]

Some decks do like a mana source that can also punch people, dorks are still great. Can't draw Tymna cards off of an arcane signet.

[@njmaloney25]

Huh never thought about it but veil of summer turns off ward costs for you for the turn as well

[@Vagrantlol]

delighted halfing giving your One Ring uncounterable is also a pretty strong bit of utility, people don't counter it often but I'd still say it happens enough to keep in mind.

[@Dafins100]

You guys need more Sisay players in your life. It’s the one deck where you consistently miss cards for.

[@lukaskramer1121]

What do you think about force of vigor?

[@skullkrusher-dx4kg]

In kenrith you always have somewhere to put the mana if you dont want to cast any spells.

[@jonathonskogman8337]

I also recently replaced my collector ouphe for manglehorn in my gitrog deck.

[@supermassivi1995]

100% on the dorks, I'm not playing the green dorks that only generate 1 color in my Rocco deck cuz of bowmasters, the dorks that are in the deck still are able to generate more colors like Birds and Arbor Elf(added benefit that I'm playing Yavimaya), have extra utility like Delighted Halfling or can generate more mana like Bloom Tender, Fae-burrow and Orcish Lumberjack

[@Remedy_X]

I play Kinnan and noxious revival has been really good in response to my brothers fetch land I put Savian's reclamation on top of his library ibknow it's not the main use but it comes up more than u would think but sometimes the person using it doesn't think about it that way

[@yehanediriweera2052]

PTW, what is ur opinion on Archdruid's Charm

[@09Dragonite]

Amazing card, less useful in some places than others, worse than Eldritch Evolution, better than Sylvan Library imo.

[@peteryankowsky]

The one that lets my homie stay in the US is my favorite.

[@jacobtrang833]

whenever i look at noxious revival i look at my whole deck minus lands and im like would i pay 1.5 mana more for all those cards tally the yes and no and if yes is greater than 30-35 cards in the deck i keep it in for 3-4 colors for 1-2 colors i use noxius if its over 10 cards i would

[@obsidiansiriusblackheart]

Please do a podcast series of "win cons per colour" eg that On The Hunt planeswalker, how do you win with that??

[@_j.a.t.e_]

And what about root maze? Would like to get your take on it

[@Xyvre]

Unironically Legolas's quick reflexes is great in Najeela. The two biggest problems she has is getting removed, and your opponents all having creatures to stop you from snowballing. It just handles both really well. I'm not saying it's a staple, but I think it at least has a home in one of the top decks.

[@Jhihadi]

I love invasion of ikoria in my yarok deck. Finding two combopieces for just one cost is insane

[@andrewcass5445]

23:52 Underworldly Tutor? hehe

[@hugi_tout]

Good break down, not sure about Eldritch Evolution being that high as having a creature to sac is an inherent cost (you said as much for crop rot). No GSZ or Sylvan Tutor rating 😢

[@koreyg8552]

If evolution resolves you pretty much win the game 99% of the time because you should be sacking your commander for horror

[@TheHive616]

I'm surprised Mirri's Guile never took off as a cheaper alternative to Sylvan Library.

[@jonathonskogman8337]

I have flipped invasion of ikoria in my gitrog deck many times.

[@learntolikeit]

Aphetto Alchemist + Legolas's Quick Reflexes and you can ping all the creatures to death on the board that you can target.

[@heboriklehkoruky9218]

How?🤔

[@learntolikeit]

@@heboriklehkoruky9218 You target the untap ability to aphetto itself as you tap it and since it becomes tapped it deals 1 damage to target creature. You repeat this process until you ping everything off the board you want. This of course you need 1 turn cycle with aphetto onboard due to summon sickness and since it gains hexproof nobody can remove the creature with target removal.

[@fosterdawson7339]

​@@heboriklehkoruky9218alchemist can untap itself with its tap effect, and quick reflexes has the creature deal its power in damage whenever it's tapped to a creature

[@johngioia2813]

You guys gonna do best multi color spells? Colorless/artifact? Lands?

[@connorsheffield6576]

Cam is a national treasure, I love the commentary but come back to these for Cam. Dylan is great too

[@dasfabelwesen]

noxious revival has been such good interaction for me, while being great as recursion at the same time. In my opinion it is on the level of mental misstep. Worldly tutor however is just good enough for me when it can find dockside. I would put it under bloomtender.

[@rhapidz_9910]

In all honesty I play sliver overlord, and I wouldn’t consider my deck a cEDH but more of a high power and I can say that seedborn muse is something that has helped me so much and is very useful, great video by the way guys have learned a lot from you all!!

[@rhapidz_9910]

I’m a few months into magic and again I’ve learned a lot from you all and from both of you if you all had any tips to be a better control player and even a better way to pilot the deck I’d really appreciate it!!

[@eastonbranson5585]

Although i do run into bowmaster as a kinnan pilot i feel like it feels just as bad to be feeding dockside or running into a collector ouphe so they might be judging dorks a little harshly

[@alanschellenberger9356]

For what it's worth, bloom tender is absolutely a staple for Sisay and that deck is really strong right now

[@mgmed0368]

I like bloom tender as a combo piece in rocco

[@BloodsCaress]

I won't be cutting sylvan library any time soon. Unless I'm playing it wrong I can essentially pick from 3 cards if I wish and just put 2 back never taking any life damage. Also good with the tutors if you just play it during the end step. Ensuring you see the card you place on top as well as a chance to see what you would have drawn as well. Idk it seems pretty good to ensure we see the cards we do need. I can't complain about my build. Let someone borrow it for league play and they dropped turn 1 Bristly, turn 2 vorinclex, monstrous raider and turn 3 voice of hunger. I may have the turn order for vorinclex wrong but you get the point 🤣 maybe he'll randomly see this and we both can laugh about it

[@w.s6124]

archdruids charm?

[@ChuggaChoo]

Legolas' Quick Reflexes fits perfectly in Codie

[@JoshBagwell]

arbor elf? Kinda like a llanowar elf, but your dual lands will love it

[@FALL3NW0RLD]

Legolas's Quick Reflexes home is Marwyn

[@psythe6095]

Also not that it comes up a lot but if you flip etali and flip battle of ikoria it’s a one shot because of the poison counters. I have actually killed someone this way it was pretty funny

[@Alikaakui808]

I love Dylan’s shirt!!!! PS- can you do a colorless and multicolor episode on this as well please 🙏

[@AresVishnu]

Nice Yugioh reference with Mystical Elf lol

[@shilohartisan]

I've never ever swung at my Invasion of Ikoria. But MANY times I have won with a Nykthos that needed the devotion. My friends now swing at Invasion themselves if I have Nykthos in play 😂

[@ubberJakerz]

One of my favorite things to do with crop rotation is instant speed bujoka bog 🤣

[@SundayBbq4786]

Does Legolas's Quick Reflexes make Codie good again?

[@shanehoule7125]

Is survival of the fittest not playable anymore?

[@09Dragonite]

Bro that's a wild thought. I'm still on it, but jeez, it is a bit rough sometimes.

[@heirkaiba]

I used to a big Sultai player. Now I cut the green for white or red. It so bad now lol.

[@Naren25]

The problem with Ouphe is that most good green decks need artifacts too e.g. Kinnan

[@shilohartisan]

You mention nifty things you can do with Wall of Roots and Chord of Calling, but there are even niftier things Wall of Roots can do with Eldritch Evolution or Natural Order. And I know OG Omnath isn't cEDH but my high power OG Omnath deck LOVES Wall of Roots. T1 Forest Sol Ring T2 Forest Wall of Roots Omnath T3 Forest Tooth and Nail Entwined

[@kevw5303]

What's your opinion on birthing pod?

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Love Birthing Pod!

[@connormcdonald8557]

it wins games

[@kevw5303]

@@PlaytoWinMTG if you were to put a rank into the existing list what would you give it?

[@rcalebvines]

holiday world shirt sighting! going this summer

[@groover1der]

18:05 Cam: Follow it up with mana on your second "MAN" phase. LOL

[@sharkmanyt4431]

You guys gonna do best colorless cards?

[@joshholmes1372]

Prediction - food chain #1. Veil of summer top 5. Naturalize probably up there. Edit: forgot birds, goes in all green decks 100

[@stormtrooperjeepjk]

Does manglegorn tapping the one ring put a burden. Counter on?

[@nathanmcduck2999]

No

[@stormtrooperjeepjk]

@@nathanmcduck2999 this was just a thought thanks for the info here

[@parasite2earth446]

Does cEDH work different than casual? Just curious how green is in etali decks? Newer player here

[@koreyg8552]

Be more specific

[@parasite2earth446]

@@koreyg8552 I thought you could only use cards with the same colors in the their color identity

[@parasite2earth446]

@@koreyg8552 okay never mind I never noticed the flip side of Primal Conqueror had green on it that’s neat

[@CortanaX]

Seedbornmuse is quite nice if you have the one ring aswell

[@sambrown9475]

Eldritch Evolution is one of my favorite cards in marwyn. But Orcish bowmasters has been rough on my girl😅

[@brianhusnick921]

How is force of vigor not on this list?

[@supermassivi1995]

About Temur Sabertooth I do agree but in Rocco Sabertooth is better, Emiel can't bounce Rocco back to hand

[@jonlamoreaux2228]

Does Tyler's kinnan list still play pemmins aura and freed from the real?