Ranking The Judas Priest Studio Albums

[@IdontKnow-jt2oz]

My favorite Priest album is Angel of Retribution so I was pleasantly surprised when you praised it. LOCHNESS RULES

[@davidknichal6629]

Well there are 3 TOP songs on AOR album: Hellrider (probably my 3nd fav intro of all times), Angel and Worth Fighting for but Lochness? Well my father who likes Iron Maiden praises that too but states it is not even close to Rime of the Ancient Mariner ha ha

[@paulharper9711]

Stained Class and British Steel are my favorites. Screaming and Defenders both in 2nd.

[@dravenquinn264]

My Ranking for the Judas Priest albums would be🤘 19. Demolition 2001 18. Jugulator 1997 17. Nostradamus 2008 16. Rocka Rolla 1974 15. Sin After Sin 1977 14. Stained Class 1978 13. Killing Machine 1978 12. Turbo 1986 11. Ram It Down 1988 10. Invincible Shield 2024 9. Redeemer Of Souls 2014 8. Firepower 2018 7. Sad Wings Of Destiny 1976 6. Angel Of Retribution 2005 5. Point Of Entry 1981 4. Defenders Of The Faith 1984 3. Painkiller 1990 2. British Steel 1980 1. Screaming For Vengeance 1982

[@DokkenSabbath]

Love most of Priest! Here's my top 5: 1. Defenders of the Faith 2. Screaming for Vengeance 3. Turbo 4. Hell Bent for Leather 5. Painkiller

[@seagullpoet]

Defenders was such an amazing follow up album to Screaming !

[@zandig666]

@@seagullpoet oddly enough at the time I never listened to defenders after hearing love bites there was soo many metal bands that were burning up for me to experiment with priests attempts to hit the radio

[@Hamptainment]

Hey Ralph, did you know Sad Wings was printed backwards? Meaning… Play side B first then Side A. Album opens w Prelude and track list makes way more sense and tells a concept. Mind blown! Also, can’t trust anyone who’s favorite album is Painkiller

[@dinorocker8647]

Yeah, I first heard a snippet of the title track Painkiller when I played Guitar Hero Van Halen in the tracklist menu, and I ABSOLUTELY HATED IT, it was WAY TOO THRASH, seriously I never liked the direction Priest went after the 80's, although to be brutally honest Priest kinda blew their load after Defenders, and I personally don't care for that album, I much prefer their 70's output, even British Steel, SFV, and a few tracks off POE, but yeah, personally Priest as of late has lost alot for me, so that's why I stick with the REAL OLD SCHOOL Priest.

[@dylanbshelton]

Nice ranking Ralph! Priest is one of my all time favorite bands! Enjoyed this video a lot! Stay Safe

[@Protometal66]

Huge fan of Point of Entry. I'm thinking I was 14 or 15 when it came out and I gotta say I loved You Say Yes. It is so catchy. I still like it but Turning Circles is now my favorite. Like you though, I play it all the way through. I have a hard time naming my favorite but it's probably either Stained Class or Hell Bent For Leather.

[@bricenelson918]

Love point of entry

[@areafortyone]

British Steel and Point of Entry

[@dawnpatrol700]

1.Killing Machine 2. Sad Wings 3. Stained Class 4. Defenders 5. Painkiller 6. Screaming 7.sin after sin 8. Firepower 9. Rock a Rolla 10. Nastradamus 11. British steel 12. Angel retribution 13. Turbo 14. Redeemer 15. Point of entry 16. Ram it down 17. Jugulator 18. Demolition

[@laurencelevene4333]

Perfect

[@thecoofjackson7471]

my list 18.Demolition 17.Nostradamus 16.Rocka Rolla 15.Turbo Lover 14.Angel of Retribution 13.Ram it down 12.Killing Machine 11.Redeemer of Souls 10.British steel 9.Sin after Sin 8.Firepower 7.Sad wings of Destiny 6.Defenders of the faith 5.Stained Class 4.Jugulator 3.Point of Entry 2.Screaming for Vengeance 1.Painkiller Enjoyed the video. I know I may get in shit for my list, but like you said Timeline is everything

[@zandig666]

Loch Ness has some great sounding guitar 😝😝🤟🤟 I loved priest back in the day but man some bands have a sorted past '79-'82 was the best for me Ralphy boy !!!! Stained class, unleashed, hell bent, screaming top notch albums !!!!

[@mwilso2]

Thanx for the list & the trip back to the old place Dr. Fukk.

[@rodsmolter5046]

1. British Steel 2. Stained Class 3. Sad Wings of Destiny 4. Killing Machine 5. Sin after Sin 6. Screaming for Vengeance 7. Firepower 8. Defenders of the Faith 9. Turbo 10. Point of Entry

[@troy78]

Gotta chime in since JudasPriest is always in my top 5 bands. My top five studio albums are as follows: 5. British Steel 4. Screaming for Vengeance 3. Sin After Sin 2. Defenders of the Faith 1. Hell Bent for Leather The live albums are awesome as well and would definitely put ‘Unleashed in the East’ number one. Then ‘Priest…Live’ and ‘Battle Cry’ coming in third. As far as the Tim “Ripper” Owens albums I enjoy ‘Jugulator’ and the live album which the title I can’t recall at the moment. Great video Ralph! Shmackamagobbb🤘🏼

[@HansStoroy]

I have a vastly different ranking, but JP are so great with so many great albums, i would be shocked to see many with mine or your ranking. That said, same #1. Great list.

[@lucasvonbraun]

God bless you, your brother and Dad for cutting your own lawns .. a lost art ... Sin After Sin is my favorite, and Point Of Entry is in my Top 5 , and I happen to love All The Way ... I totally agree with Painkiller even though Hell Patrol is one of my favorites

[@thunderstruck6585]

We agree on #1 and that made me very happy. Thanks for the review!

[@thesentinel5523]

What an interesting list. Some surprises too.

[@FuturesquashArchive4Concerts]

Top 5 for me: 5. Sad Wings of Destiny 4. British Steel 3. Stained Class 2. Screaming for Vengeance 1. Defenders of the Faith

[@tomlewis5542]

Point of entry number one

[@themadmattster9647]

Nostradamus was a grower for me. Still my fave since Painkiller

[@EpicMetalTime]

1. Stained Class 2. Killing Machine 3. Sin After Sin 4. Sad Wings of Destiny 5. Defenders of the Faith 6. Screaming for Vengeance 7. Painkiller 8. Firepower 9. British Steel 10. Jugulator 11. Angel of Retribution 12. Point of Entry 13. Rocka Rolla 14. Ram It Down 15. Demolition 16. Turbo 17. Redeemer of Souls 18. Nostradamus

[@ward8286]

Solid list, I can totally agree with these. I'd exchange Jugulator with Nostradamus and move Turbo up to in front of Point of Entry....but outside of that I mean you can make a case for everything in the top 10 all amazing selections!!!

[@abstractheory1]

Thought you were trolling with Pain Killer, but your explanation was reasonable and food for thought.

[@jcsalty457]

1. British Steel 2. Defenders of the Faith 3. Painkiller 4. Sad Wings of Destiny 5. Turbo

[@demetriosk6536]

Awesome list! My favorite Priest album is Defenders Of The Faith.

[@dertodesking8379]

My faves are Screaming for Vengeance, Defenders o. t. Faith, & Stained Class! Least favorites gotta be Nostradamus & the 2 Ripper albums for me.

[@nomorecheesedip5329]

Painkiller turned out the way it did because producer Chris Tsangarides was hot off the heals of producing three albums with Anthem, and had developed this arena thrash sound with them. When it came time to produce Painkiller he got the idea to apply the Anthem approach to Judas Priest

[@jmagowan12]

Hey definitely, its unfortunate that the bass guitar sound got lost though.

[@rodsmolter5046]

Yeah I didn't care much for Judas Priest as a thrash band. Kinda felt like they were following the metal trend at the time after a dip in popularity. It worked. Painkiller was a hit and remains one of their most popular albums. I remember buying the cassette. I was hesitant after Ram it Down which I didn't like too much either. Painkiller was even more in that direction. I listened to it a couple of times and then stashed in my box of cassettes for good.

[@eijiroinouye4115]

Spectacular!!! How would you rank AC/DC, Judas Priest, and Iron Maiden??

[@FNAFEDITS171]

1 Sin After Sin 2 Stained Class 3 Sad Wings of Destiny 4 Screaming For Vengeance 5 Defenders Of the Faith

[@michaelseay9783]

My top 6 looks like this: 6. British Steel 5. Painkiller 4. Defenders Of The Faith 3. Stained Class 2. Firepower 1. Screaming For Vengeance

[@johnkatsoudas3544]

Judas Priest has a PHENOMENAL catalog. They have many studio albums that I consider to be MASTERPIECES! My ranking at this moment would have to be. 18. Demolition 17. Jugulator 16. Turbo 15. Rocka Rolla 14. Nostradamus 13. Ram It Down 12. Redeemer Of Souls 11. Angel Of Retribution 10. Firepower 9. Point Of Entry 8. Screaming For Vengeance 7. Sin After Sin 6. British Steel 5. Defenders Of The Faith 4. Painkiller 3. Hell Bent For Leather 2. Stained Class 1. Sad Wings Of Destiny I will definitely be seeing them on their 50th anniversary tour on September 13th, and I am really looking forward to it. Judas Priest RULES!!!

[@sakblabbath3715]

It's tough for me rank Judas priest albums. I got recently Killing Machine 2017 reiseue listened to it about 2 weeks ago.Still got Evening Star and other songs off the album playing in my head. I want get British Steel on vinyl. I love the twists & turns of the older albums. And I used to ride my exercise bike to the whole Point of Entry tape. And Motley Crue too fast for love. We're talking 84 before I got into thrash. I think Painkiller was for the speed metal crowd that Judas priest encouraged. I called Priest for the kiddies. By the way,that's not original. My old bowling buddy,Todd said that about 80s priest when I first got into them through Defenders of the Faith.

[@StarWars00]

Fuck yeah Judas Priest

[@JoeyP322]

Sad Wings of Destiny British Steel Screaming for Vengeance Sin After Sin Point of Entry When British Steel came out in 1980, heavy metal was given a shot in the arm arm… what a great time to be in high school that year ! Ozzy, Sabbath, AC/DC…

[@StenSturesKanal]

Angel of Retrobution has a soft spot for me. It was their newest record when I got into them as a wee lad. So I listened a lot to the first couple of tracks of that album. Though it wouldn't make my top ten as of today. The string of albums between Sad Wings and Defenders is pretty unbeatable.

[@zitowski7391]

I got into Priest extremely late. I think it was 2010 or 11. My first album was Angel of Retribution and I loved it. I went on a binge with all their catalog and I actually enjoyed Nostradamus a lot. Going back to it I find it a chore to listen to but I still dig a lot of songs in there. Priest is one of my fav bands of all time and the only 3 albums I really cant get into is Demolition, Jugulator and Ram it Down. Everything else ranged from really good to masterpiece for me.

[@docvader82]

That new Sad Wings release is beautiful. I've got a few different versions.

[@susanmenn5016]

YEESSS!! Love this and LOVE Sad Wings of Destiny!!

[@coryreeves2645]

Seen the Priest in Salt Lake City, point of entry tour

[@laudanum669]

I saw my first Priest concert in 1980, I was 15. My first LP was "Hell Bent for Leather" it was at that point as a kid I knew I was going to be Metal for life. I have seen Priest live at least 20 times and have never seen a bad show. Iv'e had the chance to meet some of the band and hang out back stage thru my friend who was a guitarist in Rob's band "FIGHT". Not much i would change about your list, "British Steel" would be a bit lower on my list.

[@zandig666]

Sweet you saw them in 80 I was 15 absolutely loved British steel

[@pearlmario9858]

The best Judas Priest album in my opinion is Sad Wings Of Destiny all the way! One of the greatest albums ever made and I never get tired of hearing it!

[@KevinQ1989]

I think it would be considered the best Priest album if it had better production and Simon Phillips or Les Binks on drums.

[@EliteAstro_OfficialChannel]

@@KevinQ1989 Even with those flaws, I feel Sad Wings is the best Priest album along with Stained Class. The 80's I loved back then, but now find them good, but not great. The same for Painkiller, it's good, but a tad overrated.

[@marc2000z]

1. Screaming for Vengeance (10/10) 2. Defenders of the Faith (10/10) 3. Stained Class (10/10) 4. Painkiller (10/10) 5. Sad Wings of Destiny (9/10) 6. Firepower (9/10) 7. Sin After Sin (9/10) 8. Hell Bent for Leather (9/10) 9. British Steel (9/10) 10. Redeemer of Souls (8/10) 11. Turbo (8/10) 12. Jugulator (8/10) 13. Ram it Down (7/10) 14. Angel of Retribution (7/10) 15. Nostradamus (7/10) 16. Point of Entry (6/10) 17. Rocka Rolla (5/10) 18. Demolition (4/10)

[@kevinbrown1893]

1. Painkiller (1990) 2. Stained Class (1978) 3. Defenders of The Faith (1984) 4. Sad Wings of Destiny (1976) 5. Firepower (2018) 6. Screaming for Vengeance (1982) 7. Hell Bent for Leather (1978/1979) 8. Sin After Sin (1977) 9. British Steel (1980) 10. Angel of Retribution (2005) 11. Redeemer of Souls (2014) 12. Rocka Rolla (1974) 13. Point of Entry (1981) 14. Nostradamus (2008) 15. Ram It Down (1988) 16. Jugulator (1997) 17. Turbo (1986) 18. Demolition (2001) SFV and BS are excellent albums, which is why they're only at #6 and #9; I've worn those two out a long time ago. I like all of their records and even about half of Demolition (Hell Is Home, Bloodsuckers, Feed On Me, Jekyll and Hyde, Subterfuge). SAS would be higher for me if it weren't for Last Rose of Summer and Raw Deal. "Mow the lawn." Do it.

[@ryangioia2358]

Top 5 for me: 1. Defenders of the Faith 2. Painkiller 3. Screaming for Vengeance 4. British Steel 5. Stained Class

[@musicartguy1]

Pretty much agree straight up. I would possibly have SFV higher, but that’s mostly nostalgia… my entry point to Priest.

[@donaldcady3839]

I used to have Demolition on cassette. It was alright.

[@markbirchette8740]

My favorite ballad is the Last Rose of Summer off of Sin After Sin. I got to see Nostrodamus on the Metal Masters Tour in New Mexico, which included DIO among others. I totally agree with your ranking. It's the younger pickle whistlers who don't get it. By the by, you coined a great term they can't censor, pickle whistlers! LOL! Perfect good Dr. Fukk! 🍻🎸Cheers, from, the Rockies of Utah.🍻.

[@agedefyingfitness]

Theatre Of Pain came out when I was 15. The timeline even couldn’t save that one 😂 Can’t stomach it but love Fly on the Wall which is definitely a timeline thing I think.

[@jasonbala7858]

1. Screaming For Vengeance 2. Stained Class 3. Defenders Of The Faith 4. Sad Wings Of Destiny 5. Painkiller 6. Point Of Entry 7. Turbo 8. Firepower 9. Invincible Shield 10. British Steel 11. Sin After Sin 12. Hell Bent Foe Leather 13. Jugulator 14. Ram It Down 15. Angel Of Retribution 16. Redeemer Of Souls 17. Rocka Rolla 18. Nostradamus 19. Demolition

[@EliteAstro_OfficialChannel]

Very good list Sad Wings Stained Class Sin After Sin Hell Bent British Steel Screaming Defender Painkiller I also like Nastrodomus more than Firepower.

[@johnnytindel6797]

1 Hellbent for leather 2 stained class 3 British steel 4 point of entry 5 Turbo 6 Sin after sin 7 Rocka rolla 8 screaming for vengeance 9 Defenders of the faith 1 this album is tied with #1 Sad wings!!! for Victim of changes!!! But all priest music I love. for me it's like a time machine.

[@delta456super9]

Is that Onslaught-Generation Antichrist I see in the background

[@IraSiegel]

Nice list and agree with all. Confess was great too.

[@oldenyz3148]

Nice job- I think the people / kids who think British Steel is overrated were not even born yet when it came out, they are measuring against thrash and everything that came out after, but man when that came out there was nothing like it. I agree Unleashed in the east is the best and my fav overall metal album. In fact though great, if anything is overrated its Painkiller. Cheers!

[@KFXG]

My top 5: 1. Painkiller 2. Firepower 3. Ram it Down 4. Screaming for Vengeance 5. British Steel

[@Stanley-x4w]

My favorite is hell bent for leather I just love that album ❤

[@MRB16th]

This is my personal ranking: Top six: Sad Wings Of Destiny, Stained Class, Screaming For Vengeance, Painkiller, Redeemer Of Souls, Firepower Not concrete: Sin After Sin, Killing Machine, British Steel, Point Of Entry, Defenders Of The Faith, Turbo, Ram It Down, Angel Of Retribution Bottom four: Rocka Rolla (the debut - not a terrible album, but not the Judas Priest you know), Nostradamus (great concept, and admire the ambition, but the execution was a mess: should have been a single disc), Jugulator and Demolition (Ripper Owens did a tremendous job on vocals, but these were a mess: both should have been cut by about 10-20 minutes apiece)

[@FuturesquashArchive4Concerts]

My ranking: 18. Demolition 17. Jugulator 16. Turbo 15. Ram it Down 14. Rocka Rolla 13. Nostradamus 12. Redeemer of Souls 11. Angel of Retribution 10. Painkiller 9. Point of Entry 8. Firepower 7. Hell Bent for Leather 6. Sin After Sin 5. Sad Wings of Destiny 4. British Steel 3. Stained Class 2. Screaming for Vengeance 1. Defenders of the Faith

[@Jason-nn9pl]

Defenders of the faith is my fav priest album too! 🤘

[@FuturesquashArchive4Concerts]

@@Jason-nn9pl my list has since changed. I’d say Stained Class is my favorite now

[@Jason-nn9pl]

@@FuturesquashArchive4Concerts killer album also, it's in my top 5!🤘

[@samuelblinne6040]

Awesome

[@PatPosse]

LOVE Painkiller! for the longest time THAT was JP for me and everything else wasn't. But, once I got over the sound quality of them mp3's (back in the early 2000's) boy was I wrong!!! I love Painkiller, That Freewheel/Jawbreaker and The Hellion/Electric Eye duos.. but DAMN! There's NO TOPPING Sad Wings, I don't give a fuck! Unleashed in the studio is cool but SWOD Rules all, all hail the Priest! Great video dude!

[@kc0lif]

i like turbo lover song. British steel my favourite album. judas priest always good. rocka rolla good song.

[@philfrank5601]

I love Loch Ness too, classic!

[@Scottocaster6668]

My top 5: Screaming for vengeance British Steel Defenders of the Faith Turbo (yes, I said it) Painkiller, wait- Unleashed in the East.

[@MRB16th]

If the executives hadn't stepped in, Twin Turbos would have been top 5 or close to. Oh well, there are tracklists for it.

[@Scottocaster6668]

@@MRB16th I'm surprised "Reckless" wasn't more popular, it would have fit perfectly on Defenders of the Faith.

[@dietersmit6639]

1 Painkiller 2 Defenders 3 Killing machine 4 Vengeance 5 Stained class 6 Ram it 7 Sin after sin 8 Sad wings 9 Invincible shield 10 Firepower 4-10 often changes

[@coreeeey420]

Saw them twice with Ripper, with Anthrax opening, (the tour got interrupted because of 9-11). Ripper killed it both times. Personal favorite would be Sin After Sin.

[@ROBOTSEVERYWHERE-m7j]

I think i would swap places with point of entry and pain killer but that's just me...

[@chivesarchives]

Feed on me off demolition is kick ass

[@hermengarcia8342]

Why would I put Turbo on my top list because that is when I saw Priest live on that tour along with Dokken as the opener, missed those 80's !!!

[@christervainio]

British Steel is by far number one.🤘

[@rodsmolter5046]

Probably the best metal album ever made, definite top 5 IMO. Not because of the 2 big hits either. It's the deeper tracks, The Rage, Steeler, Rapid Fire, Metal Gods, Grinder, that really make the album great.

[@christervainio]

@@rodsmolter5046 Yeah, killer album.🤘

[@briandunlap8534]

One on One from Demolition is a decent tune

[@Andy-m6j]

There’s a monster in Loch Ness you know

[@johnnyboy6429]

No one ever talks about their song "The Sentienal"

[@vinnierusso1971]

My favorite is stained class

[@tomlewis5542]

That's a good one but listen to point of entry with headphones

[@breakabletape]

0:42 - More red than Sammy Hagar. :p

[@ROBOTSEVERYWHERE-m7j]

GREAT VIDEO RALPH! I dont think Priest ever did an awful album but i do love some more than others. I watched the Nina hagen video reaction you did for me back in 2019 with my wife the other day and she couldnt agree with you more! Love you brother if you ever do reaction vids again I would love to recommend another. Its always cool to hear your unbiased opinion.Peace my brother! Been a Priest fan since 79 but have never seen them live as in cali tickets are crazy expensive.LONG Time fan of yours pre youtube! You rule my Friend. Sorry for being soo long winded but one last thing Skid row was better without Bach than with him!Fuck that prick.

[@paddy3622]

That new box set is for the ultimate collector

[@johnkatsoudas3544]

42 CDs is alot for a box set. I want to get it only for the unreleased live material.

[@paddy3622]

@@johnkatsoudas3544 agreed. the concerts might be released on spotify?

[@centipederampage2718]

Jugulator is my favorite of them all.

[@abstractheory1]

Yikes!!

[@centipederampage2718]

@@abstractheory1 It's harsh, hostile and has no awful crap like Point of Entry

[@IamRush2112]

remove the cling film from the camera lens

[@rjpunkin]

Lol whatever album is number 1 I'll check out tommoro never gave them a chance

[@donaldcady3839]

Killing Machine.

[@mattw4461]

Top 5 for me 5 Sin after Sin 4 Painkiller 3 Defenders 2 Stained Glass 1 Sad Wings The Clunkers Nostradamus Ram it Down Turbo Demolition

[@coreybookman5823]

I love 80s priest as much as the next but 70s priest is freaking top tier lol

[@michaelfishman5768]

Sad Wings of Destiny Is a good one.

[@Shads62]

first saw priest in 1978 Newcastle city hall. Love all but have to agree Sad Wings is the best.

[@jasonbala7858]

I’ve got Point Of Entry 6

[@luisguerrerocaceres109]

Since I entered this video I knew the first one was gonna be sad wings of destiny, objectively one of the best, if not the best

[@docvader82]

Y'know, the fact that you love Nostradamus makes me wanna give it another go. That's the one Priest record I'd say I haven't given a fair shot. My top 5: 6. Sad Wings 5. Screaming for Vengeance 4. Stained Class 3. Painkiller 2. British Steel 1. Defenders of the Faith (my first I bought new as it was released) I get your complaint about Painkiller. I don't care for Point of Entry Firepower was damn good, in my top 10. And I don't think Redeemer is far behind. Ritchie gave them a helluva shot in the arm. Jugulator has some good tunes. Demo has maybe 1-2 decent tracks. Tipton simply can't write lyrics though. Turbo aged horribly, imo. Ram it Down has a couple decent tracks, and some bunk. I don't like Angel of Ret as much as you. I love all chat about JP. I don't collect them as much as Sabbath, but not too far behind either.

[@ROBOTSEVERYWHERE-m7j]

Nostradamus is Priests music from the elder. either you love it or you dont either way its understandable as its soo different.

[@Stanley-x4w]

70s priest all Day

[@kevingriffin8854]

I saw Priest with Ripper owens in....2000? They were awesome!! Rock Gods! However, i bought demolition, and was not impressed. Im a 70s priest kinda guy.

[@johndiamond4088]

Screaming For Vengeance is my favorite but I like your list man ...pickle whistler Dr.Fukk? Remember your the whistler that had Monster ranked better than Destroyer and even you were wondering what you were smoking ha ha 👍 1. Screaming For Vengeance 2. British Steel 3. Sad Wings Of Destiny 4. Defenders Of The Faith 5. Sin After Sin 6. Stained Class 7. Hell Bent For Leather 8. Point Of Entry 9. Firepower 10. Redeemer Of Souls 11. Painkiller 12. Rocka Rolla 13. Angel Of Retribution 14. Ram It Down 15. Nostrdamous 16. Jugulator 17. Demolition 18. Turbo yes I about spun a rim in 86 when this pile of embarrassing garbage was released no lie. F$#@ Turbo!!!!!

[@rickytoddbotelho9555]

All hail Judas priest!!!!!😃

[@johnnathensultz9757]

Lochness is the shit!!

[@JCStorm76]

Jugulator is my least favourite. Firepower is good but overrated. I’d have Painkiller higher. My favourite is Killing Machine

[@rubendelarosa2553]

No. 3 really ? British Steel owns all Priest. You cant count Unleashed of course.

[@almosthuman56]

Well at least you love British Steel enough to put it at number. I have seen many say it's overrated.