Ranting About People Don't Get Steins;Gate 0 Is Trash

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[@TheCreepypro]

should we be surprised that the same people who don't get the first half of the first Steins Gate love Steins Gate 0? in my mind no

[@SeralyneYT]

What are you even trying to argue here?

[@Pikaton659]

I loved the entirety of both shows equally. The only detriment 0 had that weighed it down was Kagari.

[@nillynush4899]

If I were to take 0 as a part of the canon, it would actively ruin elements of the first series I love. So I just don't consider 0 to be canon... Kindov like Metroid Other M doesn't exist.

[@SeralyneYT]

@@nillynush4899 It's impossible not to consider 0 canon though. Parts of 0 have been planned since before the original anime, even.

[@benzed37]

@@SeralyneYT what sources are you basing this off of? I'm genuinely curious.

[@TyrannoFan]

I agree for once, I was sucked in within the first 10 seconds of S;G, and felt something was missing from S;G0 from the start. I could never relate to everyone who says the original "picks up." I'm like, wtf I was in love throughout the entire thing from the beginning? I just loved how weird and "off" everything was in the original, and the weird camera angles and colours... 0 is just dead by comparison, visually speaking. I think there was something else off with 0, maybe the pacing or interactions or something, my attention just wasn't kept as well as in the original.

[@kumintsuyuri]

Yeah, the directing is definitely the biggest problem with S;G 0's anime, if only because the original did it so right. But to be completely honest, I wasn't at all surprised that it turned out like that, because it was an absolute fucking miracle that the original got such a good adaptation in the first place. I mean, visual novels from this studio almost NEVER get adaptations that do them justice, not just from a visual perspective, but from a plot perspective as well. Not just after S;G, but before as well. I mean, the exact same writer wrote Chaos;Head a year before, and the adaptation of that was so bad it was completely laughable. And then Robotics;Notes came out after S;G, same writer once again, also set in the same series and universe, and its anime was clearly very high-budget, but they still managed to fuck the plot completely sideways. Then Chaos;Child, then Occultic;Nine, and rather than wondering what went wrong, I have to wonder how the fuck S;G ever got it so good to begin with. In light of their track record of adaptations, the quality of the 0 anime actually makes a hell of a lot more sense.

[@villadavid1997]

"I mean, the exact same writer wrote Chaos;Head a year before, and the adaptation of that was so bad it was completely laughable. " Chaos;Head anime wasn't written by the same writer who write Steins;Gate anime. Only the VNs (the source materials) were written by the same people (Naotaka Hayashi and Chiyomaru Shikura) and they are all masterpieces.

[@kumintsuyuri]

@@villadavid1997 Trust me, I know. But I didn't say the anime adaptations were made by the same people at all. I think you misread my comment. My point was that *regardless* of the quality of the visual novels, the quality of the anime adaptations have been spotty at best. C;H and S;G (VNs) were both fantastic, but S;G just so happened to be lucky enough to get a fantastic adaptation. And then none of the other VNs after that got so lucky ever again. So yeah, by "the same writer" I was talking about Hayashi, and I was talking about the visual novels there.

[@nemanjastikic1367]

Me as a massive Steins Gate fan, dropped Steins Gate 0 after few episodes. That shit is borderline disgrace for original series.

[@cristianramos4309]

Bruh...how?

[@tarazi650]

Yea and I dropped the original steins gate before even watching it because I knew it sucks

[@diashetv7719]

@@tarazi650 xd what

[@SkotKozB5]

Lucky. I watched the entire series right after rewatching Steins;Gate and had to hide the guns in the house.

[@tarazi650]

@Mana If a cartoon is half of your life you have some bigger problems to take care of

[@Pokemonleafmon]

Steins;Gate 0 was a grey and flat blob from the first second

[@hentaiprotag7122]

It's more like a rollercoaster it slowly goes up then bam The Last five episodes

[@Kuudere-Kun]

Steins;Gate 0 is fine, it's not as great as the original but as a glorified overblown AU Fan Fiction it's perfectly enjoyable. People trashing 0 just tog et it's not meant to be on the same level.

[@oyabuntan]

the original VN was much more linear, 0 jumps all over the place and adapting it was def a nightmare (not that the VN is a masterpiece either or anything, tho)

[@romannoodles5856]

I actually found your channel because I didnt like SG0, but it was topping MAL. I was doubting whether OG Steins;Gate was as great as I remembered (It was my fav. show at the time). I found your video and have been a subscriber since. Also thanks for showing me K-On and Eva. Great shows!

[@SeralyneYT]

Welp. Guess I'm at it again. Steins;Gate 0 isn't perfect, and I completely respect your opinion. What I don't respect the reasoning behind it, as it was based off of a complete misunderstanding of the plots of both shows. 1:18 - Gonna start out with a nitpick. While yes, Steins;Gate 0 is a visual novel, the visual novel in itself is a combination of new story content mixed in with old story content originating from various Drama CDs, Light Novels and Manga. The material 0 was adapted from was, as I've said before: Arc-light of the Point at Infinity (this is where the main plot is derived from) Annually-Chained Ouroboros - The Light Novel adaptation of Steins;Gate. This is where a big portion of the concept for how the Beta Attractor Field works is laid out. The Epigraph Trilogy - Amadeus as a plot device, Kagari (child version), Leskinen and Maho being characters at all. And naturally speaking, the rest of the content is original to the anime or the VN. 4:12 - Yes. The style was off compared to the original. The characters had a breast size increase, but apart from that, the characters are themselves. They act as they would have in the original. Whether this is based off your flawed understanding of the characters (I've already gone into extensive detail about this in my previous comments on your S;G0 series), or this is a problem with the adaptation of the original as a whole, I cannot tell. 4:23 - Yes and no. Parts of the story of what would eventually become Steins;Gate 0 predates the original 2011 anime. The Science Adventure series has also gone through two release cycles at this point. Chaos;Head Noah got Chaos;Child, Steins;Gate got Steins;Gate 0. Robotics;Notes Elite got Robotics;Notes DaSH. Chaos;Head and Robotics;Notes are basically unspoken of in the anime community. Despite this, Chaos;Child got an anime adaptation, despite the disaster that was the Chaos;Head anime. Heck, Chaos;Head even got a re-adaptation (in the form of a 20 minute recap) for Chaos;Child. 5:01 - Steins;Gate and Steins;Gate 0 doesn't even share a villain what are you smoking? SERN and the Committee of 300 is basically irrelevant in 0. In fact, most of the villain characters we see in the original turn around and become allies in 0. All in all, you said it yourself. Your stance in the video is rather pretentious, and quite honestly, a tad hypocritical. While you paid attention to the cinematography, you might have paid attention to it to the detriment of actually understanding both the original and 0's plot. Most of your explanations for the characters is based in headcanon, headcanon which is disproved within the work you're critising.

[@lepape2310]

saying the characters are themselves is just your opinion (against his), no ?

[@SeralyneYT]

@@lepape2310 Yes and no. Digibro is basically the only person I see talking about inconsistent characterisation, and this is coming from someone who interacts with far more people, casual and superfans alike, people that like and dislike 0 alike, and Digibro is the only person that complains about characterisation outside of a few key moments in 0, all of which are disproved by actually paying attention.

[@benzed37]

@@SeralyneYT one of my immediate problems was that the characters weren't behaving at all like they should have been based on the original series, and I felt that way because I watched S;G0 immediately after finishing the the original series for the 3rd or 4th time. My only problem with Digi is that he never argued that point competently, and opened himself up to scrutiny to literally anyone who had watched the show attentively.

[@SeralyneYT]

@@benzed37 Basing it off my personal understanding of the show. Although this is an adaptation of a visual novel. It follows the characterisation of the visual novel, which stays consistent from S;G to S;G0 and with the S;G0 anime. There are two possible interpretations of what causes the disconnect here. 1. Viewers that didn't understand it 2. The original anime was poorly adapted in terms of characterisation. The only places where I've seen people outside of Digibro's audience complain about characterisation were about Okabe going from mad scientist to sad scientist, and about Suzuha not shooting Reyes (or was it Kagari? I can't remember. It's been a while), which is basically just Suzuha admitting that convergence is absolute there. Suzuha couldn't kill them. Even if she tried. Could she wound them? Maybe, more likely she'd miss though, or be out of bullets, etc. (there's canon evidence behind this too). Could the execution have been better? Definitely. Could it have been better communicated? Of course. Is it a plot hole or bad characterisation? Not really.

[@lepape2310]

@@SeralyneYT I have no doubt you do interact with a lot of people but they are probably all within the same community/echo chamber. You don't have to dig deep to find people that can't recognize the characters they loved in the original, just open 0's vndb and look at the first thread. I won't pretend I can find tons of other examples on hand but still Daru and Mayuri are the 2 that strike me the most, having played og, darling, and phenogram, they are just not the same to me. Actually I can't recognize Daru in the OG anime in the first place, maybe he is closer to 0's Daru, but since my first expositition to Daru was in the OG VN I really feel a disconnect

[@bludclone]

big fan of the original vn and when 0 came out i stopped playing couple hours in since it was reading like a shitty fanfic

[@lord_jayj]

I'm probably gonna get hate for this but I I've seen the og steins gate and 0 and played 0 vn I like 0 more

[@nillynush4899]

To quote one of your S;G0 critique headers... "Something just feels, off with 0." Hamasaki being gone is what did it imo, we see with 0 the writers cant make it work. A firm director gets everything else into place, and the difference between pre-2014 Steins;Gate and 2018's Steins;Gate 0 is the main Director. Like you said, the VN and original anime told a set story, wrapped it up in a pretty bow and it was done... Steins;Gate 0 fucks with shit in the worst way a sequel can, in a way that actually RUINS the original if you take it as new canon....

[@villadavid1997]

"Steins;Gate 0 fucks with shit in the worst way a sequel can, in a way that actually RUINS the original if you take it as new canon...." Steins;Gate 0 is not even a sequel to begin with, and not a "new canon". It is not an alternative story, so saying "new canon" doesn't even make sense. It doesn't even ruin everything from the original, since it takes place on different worldlines.

[@diashetv7719]

@@villadavid1997 No, different worldlines doesn´t mean parallel universes. Steins;Gate 0 is the story of the future Okabe who sends the video message from 2025 to Okabe in 2010 on episode 23 of the OG Steins;Gate.

[@villadavid1997]

@@diashetv7719 Umm... Ok? Why do you say that to me? I know all of that. I've read the VNs multiple times.

[@diashetv7719]

@@villadavid1997 You say 0 can´t ruin the original since it takes place on a different worldline.

[@villadavid1997]

@@diashetv7719 Yes. And? It can't ruin it since it can't change the events of it. It only gives background to them. If you don't like the background you can simply ignore it and move on.

[@praetoriancorps]

What I like about steiners gate 0 is that it connects many of the dots, not all sadly. What I dislike about it is that the Drama can be way too much at some points as if there's drama for the sake of drama at some points.

[@nhagan001]

maybe I forgot most of it, but the reason I never took an interest in Zero was a single idea I had of where it should have sprung from: It should have been about the "time war" that was hinted by our time-traveling daughter... but it wasn't. That is where I felt it lost me. I wanted that. In my mind: Okabe fails to save Makise Kurisu, becomes depressed about it, but somehow becomes the leader of the resistance in the "Time War". To save the timeline, and give himself another chance to save Makise Kurisu, he sends his last D Mail to his past self... and thus preventing his timeline from occurring again, as we see the Okabe of this Timeline eventually lose the "Time War". I am sure this sounds alot like a "Terminator" movie, but in my mind this felt like a natural path they could have taken with Zero... that they just didn't. Now what do you do to encourage Okabe to send this D Mail? that is the question. They always hinted at this big "Time War" as if it was something that should have involved the "failed" Okabe more... but Zero just lost me the moment they DIDN'T go with that possible route.

[@laserbeamlightning]

People like the characters. And I stuck with it on that basis. Your vid had a lot of merits however and I agree with most of it as a film person

[@skroychan]

This, I finished it despite hating it most of the way through just because I was so attached to the characters and the world

[@benzed37]

@@skroychan even I forced myself through the first six episodes in spite of the fact that I hated the show within the first few minutes of episode one. All that suffering because I loved the characters, especially Okabe, in the original series. But it was just too painfully obvious that they had been killed and replaced with generic blobs by the time I got to that point.

[@TheKing-ve7lz]

I liked both the original and zero but zero to a far far less degree. Basically I would say that the original is a 10/10 and zero just barely cracks being a 6/10 for me. I still thought it was an exciting watch with cool visuals and an ok story but the characters seemed, well out of character to me. I also thought that the changed character designs were not as good as season one and I really missed the weird nerdy talks between the main cast that were far less present. Actually as I type this and think more it's a 5/10. Some episodes were ok and entertaining enough but some got so stupid and ruined the characters so much that I would give certain episodes a 2/10. Only reason it's not one is cause they were still visually ok and had some character lines that made me laugh at least. But yeah the original is far better and much more worth rewatching whereas I'll probably never rewatch zero

[@youssefmalak4504]

Stein's gate 0 was fire idc what ppl say

[@DankuCrown]

I know this isn't about the VN... BUT, the VN of Steins;Gate 0 is definitely better then the VN of Steins;Gate, and obviously seeing the VN adds to the experience of watching the anime for 0. But reading the VN for Steins;Gate on the other hand, doesn't really improve the anime, which I guess says a lot about the anime. Anyway, I'm mostly saying that 0's VN is good.

[@DankuCrown]

I want to add, that the 0 visual novel isn't entirely pointless, it certainly develops the characters a lot. Okabe, Mayuri, and Daru all grow as people significantly within it's narrative. Also, Maho and Leskinen exist, and I think that that is all the good in the world. Oh, while I'm at it, if you want a version of Steins;Gate 0 told in a much quicker way, the original concept they expanded to make Steins;Gate 0 was a Drama CD, which is really good, called "Arc-Light of the Point of Infinity". I recommend it.

[@aleksandra5808]

@@DankuCrown I've seen both and thought that even the anime was better. It cut out the cringe war scenes, the cringe fanservice scenes, all the incest teasing, the dragged out jokes (maho looking like a child, sergent clean), no plastic surgery nonsense. The ending was more satisfying, the Okabe x Kurisu scenes in ep 8 were nice and not entirely pointless like in the vn, the anime-only Hashida family drama was fun. I don't understand how any fan can say it's better than the original.

[@DankuCrown]

@@aleksandra5808 Because the pacing in the original Stein;Gate VN is atrocious and it's filled with pointless endings that just serve to justify it's nature as a VN, the anime being a godsend and cutting it down perfectly. The Steins;Gate 0 VN on the other hand is paced much better and it's various endings actually matter and bring justice to it's nature as a VN. Really the only problems I have with it is the Kagari and Yuki issue. The anime fixes that, but it's not enough.

[@otto_jk]

@@DankuCrown aren't drama cd's in japanese. Digi and most of his fans don't understand japanese.

[@DankuCrown]

@@otto_jk I mean, it's subbed, so you don't need to.

[@randompolygon8401]

the original steins gates directing wasn't just good, it was masterful to say the least. of course 0 isn't as good as the original. but to say it has bad directing because the original is better isn't just wrong it's stupid. 0 still has a lot of well directed scenes and episodes. and it has episodes as good as the original's peak: 8,16,19,21 and 22.

[@bobastonisher4014]

Steins;Gate is not a sequel... it is a "what if scenario". It is a second half of the whole story, and it ties into the first season. It is basically how the Okabe that gave up was able to send the message back to the Okabe in episode 23 of season 1, and be able to try again. It is basically a worldline that occurred because Okabe gave up, and later he saw that he couldn't deal with the regret of what the worldline he chose in giving up came with. So he mustered the courage to go back and alter events, and everything that happened in Steins;Gate 0 tied in perfectly to the original Steins;Gate. The way you could view this entire anime to get the most fulfilling Steins;Gate experience is to watch season one from episodes 1-23. Then watch all of Steins;Gate 0. Finally, watch the final episode of season 1. The story becomes linear and the presentation of the story, not to mention the voice acting is phenomenal, regardless whether you choose to watch it dubbed or subbed. It is one of, if not the best time travel story that has been presented in any form of media to date. In my opinion of course.

[@villadavid1997]

Steins;Gate 0 is not a what if scenario. The events of 0 happened and contributed to the original's story, so it can't be a what if scenario.

[@SkotKozB5]

It's a poorly written fan fiction based on something that went unanswered in the original show/vn. I can't think of a single thing in S;G 0 that I enjoyed because S;G 0 can't stand on its own as an anime. It is entirely reliant on you having watched or played Steins;Gate. Kagari exists for no other reason than Kirisu was popular but was dead in that world line. They could have easily made Kagari into a blonde girl or even a dude but no, she happens to look almost identical to one of the most popular characters from the previous show/vn. None of their personalities match their personalities from Steins;Gate. And the only person who has an excuse for this is Okabe but even that is done poorly. He was already depressed and stricken with grief over watching Mayuri die again and again. So why is his personality so different in S;G 0? Even when he finally falls back into his Kyoma personality, it isn't the same. And as Digi pointed out in one of his videos, Kyoma isn't some fake persona that he just cuts on or off. It's a defense mechanism he uses to cope with his social anxiety shit. But S;G 0 treats it like some quirky shit he can just turn off and on whenever he wants. And, as stated before, none of the characters have the same personalities they had before. Ruka is always around and more outspoken than he ever was in Steins;Gate. Faris, who I used to adore, is unbelievably annoying in S;G 0 because APPARENTLY being a girl in a cat costume is her only character trait. Moeka, who never spoke even in the world lines where she wasn't connected with Sern, decides she not only talks a lot but she's also super bubbly and hehe emojis so quirky. And don't get me fucking started on Mayuri. She was my favorite character in Steins;Gate and they absolutely ruined her. As if she needed a reason to believe in Okabe and slap him to bring him to his senses. I can literally bitch about this for hours but I'm ending this here and going to bed. Fuck S;G 0.

[@Filimaua13]

It doesn't help that Zero doesn't try to keep you invested in something. With the original it was the simple idea of what the hell was going on with everything and how it all ties back to the actions and consequences of our protagonist and crew. With Zero it goes on and on talking about interesting concepts but doesn't actually go all in and explore it. It also doesn't help that it's all science talk half the time. The great thing about the original was the fact it focused on characterization from the very beginning while giving exposition at the same time. The dialogue was always so great to listen to because of it always sounding so natural coming from these science nerds we come to love. I've always felt like Okabe should've taken a step back as the protagonist role since he doesn't contribute alot to the moving of the plot much in the first half. You can only go so far exploring trauma and rejection before you start checking your watch wondering when things will start happening. This is why I feel like we should've focused more on the lab members for the first half then switch to Okabe's point of view when it's necessary. Such as the switch to the Alpha line. Daru stepped up alot in Zero and wish we got the build up and satisfying resolution. He had alot of interesting and emotional scenes that could have had more impact if we got to see his building frustrations with Okabe. His scenes with Suzuha was always nice and getting to see him act more like a dad and mature person would be awesome. But we still don't learn much about Daru than what we already know. With Okabe in the first series we had ALOT of time to get a feel for his character. How he's so socially awkward and uses his persona to hide behind, his loving relationship with Mayuri and how saving her as a child was what is known as the birth of Hououin Kyouma. Since Okabe doesn't do much in Zero (which is the point I know. It's his character arc), we should flesh out the others more. Make them more than the tropes we know them to be. I honestly wouldn't have minded more scenes with Ruka and how he dealt with everything going on. The feeling of being left out clearly stuck with him till the very end so why not see him try to be more useful. Such as having a simple scene of him practicing with his sacred sword doing some cool as moves obviously being awkward about it since he's not confident yet. Idk there was alot to be explored with the seemingly non important characters.

[@ShooshedGamer]

I liked both equally pretty much all the way through. Except for the fight scenes in 0 they were ass. Also Kagari sucked.

[@xenoweno_]

agreed. but i dont think the fight scenes were absouletely horrible

[@bobelle]

Okay but you really shouldn't be referring to it as a sequel or a second season.

[@otto_jk]

But it literally is a continution to the original

[@bobelle]

@@otto_jk Would you call a prequel a continuation? If anything it's a "midquel" and it literally doesn't continue the story where the original left off. Calling it a sequel or a 2nd season is misleading.

[@otto_jk]

@@bobelle Skyfall is a sequel to Quantum of Solace even when it doesn't continue it's story

[@otto_jk]

@@bobelle Ghost in the shell stand alone complex 2nd gig is a second season for Gits and it doesn't continue the story of the first season. Still a sequel. And a prequel is a sequel.

[@rumfordc]

​@@otto_jk In your world, what is _not_ a sequel?

[@MrToonlink53]

Maho was the best thing about Steins Gate 0 in my eyes.

[@_M_4]

If only her Salieri shtick wasn't so ham-fisted, then I might have genuinely liked her.

[@laserbeamlightning]

Seriously. It was like one of those things where the writer thought they were so smart drawing the comparison so they just kept going back to it over and overa gain

[@laserbeamlightning]

I disagree with you though about Episode 8 of 0. It's far better than most of the rest of the series and should have happened down the line in terms of story. The most egregious thing that 0 does is dehumanize Kurisu and Kyouma. Kurisu who we've known as an actual character is put up on a pedestal like many do when they die but this is blown out of proportion when they make an AI based off her. Kyouma is similarly also viewed as a panacea to the group's problems when the lesson there should have been for Okabe to outgrow and move on from Kyouma rather than return to it.

[@SandersCat_yo]

first time I watched s;g i wasn't very interested until the plot got dramatic. second time I watched it i paid more attention and loved it from the first episode for the same reasons you mentioned

[@anandsrikumar007]

The lamest part of steins gate 0 is the fight in episode 17 and 18 I mean it was so lame, soldiers can't shoot straight?

[@Domak04]

It’s very subjective. I personally loved both SG and SG0

[@danielgibbons4858]

Its not supposed to feel the same. Its the story of what the okabe from the future who left him the message had to go through. It needed to be darker and is from a time line where those light moments from the original had long past. It really is the untold part that completes the original story. People calling it fan fick i feel miss the point of what it is.

[@Alexp904]

Daniel Gibbons even so it has its problems different or not •The plot is terrible •Antagonist is complete ass he’s the most generic and cliche villain ever •The characters have no personality •The animation is awful and painful to look at •The story doesn’t even try to be realistic anymore, one thing that steins gate did good was keeping everything super realistic and then steins gate 0 ignores being realistic (ex. Amadeus, kaguri cutting peoples heads off with her arms) like wtf. •Dialogue is horrible •So much plot convenience •steins gate ignored showing us ww3 because it would ruin the feeling/tone and steins gate 0 shows us and it’s so retarded •the characters are so empty and hollow

[@lord_jayj]

@@Alexp904 play the vn or watch a walkthrough

[@Th0tSlAyErIII]

@@lord_jayj being an adaptation doesn't excuse shit.

[@lord_jayj]

@@Th0tSlAyErIII they literally can't fit everything into the anime

[@Th0tSlAyErIII]

@@lord_jayj more doesn't equal better. Example: Berserk 97 ended up being a better version of the Golden Age Arc than the manga thanks to its tighter pace and less bullshit. Adaptations don't NEED to have everything in order to be better.

[@xyanide1986]

Steins;gate had me at banana.

[@lightdoll4278]

Steins gate zero anime does need to exist why because the original is animated so why not animate the sequel. It’d be weird not to exist. Basically it’s like oh there’s a sequel to the steins gate visual novel and we animated that so let’s anime the sequel too because just saying.

[@diashetv7719]

the sequel came out after the first anime

[@SkotKozB5]

S;G 0 only exists because of how popular the original was. It's garbage fan fiction.

[@fjbz3737]

One of the few digi opinions I still agree with (asides from the otaku journey theory of the first one)

[@animeking17]

In my opinion, steins gate 0 is as good as the first season

[@EinsteinJR2]

That must mean you are pretty ignorant

[@animeking17]

@@EinsteinJR2 and you have shit taste

[@lord_jayj]

@@animeking17 i love 0 more than the og steins gate

[@harrystubbs713]

I am the sort of person that can over look most things if the plot is good. I watch most things for the plot. All the other stuff is secondary. How Steins;Gate 0 looks wouldnt bother me if the story was good but it mostly isnt.

[@khizarch4910]

My god... You seem pretty adamant to tell as many people as possible about this universal fact.

[@otto_jk]

This is a paid rant. Digi doesn't choose the topics of these rants.

[@khizarch4910]

Otto JK oh yeah, forgot about that... 😳

[@benzed37]

@@khizarch4910 in defense of this, I didn't have a rant in mind when I was patroned and wrote the request for this after drinking a bit/getting really mad after being reminded of the fact that the Steins;Gate 0 anime exists (which is pretty evident by the way I worded it, I guess)

[@GenesisAria]

Steins;Gate grabbed the masses because of it's gimmicks and appeals first and foremost and kept attention with it's direction. Steins;Gate was not complete, if you payed any attention, you'd know that the end was a total ass-pull deus ex machina. The show also had a countable amount of plot holes etc, and it requires the future of Steins;Gate 0 for it to be at all justified (how they got to the ideal timeline - none of it worked at all originally, though some holes are never filled, contrary to opinions of people who think it's bulletproof). The appeal that a lot of people had with Steins;Gate was not the show itself as much as the ideas in the show. As a time travel piece it is not original in any way or particularly unique or creative; it's a standard time travel story with the well known tropes, like a hat-tip. The appeals are more on the members of the lab, particularly Okarin and his chuunibyou nonsense paired with Kurisu. When it comes to S;G 0, thi first major disconnect people have is that Okarin isn't the nutty guy anymore, he's depressed, as he ought to be given the circumstances. The second big disconnect is not having the actual Kurisu, as well as some other additional characters and changes which can seem a bit pandering to some, as if they are meant to try and fill the shoes of other chars not present for plot reasons. Steins;Gate digs far deeper into the psychology of all the characters and develops them far more than S;G did, gives plenty of juxtaposition for it as well. Not only that but plot-wise, aside from a few breaks from suspension of disbelief, it actually brings the entire plot into a place which allows it to stand out amongst most time travel stories, with the only similar i know of being the Time War lore of Doctor Who. S;G 0 was able to put everything into perspective and drag everyone though the hell that they would have in certain timelines, and would have needed in order to have the integrity to overcome what they were up against. S;G drastically underestimated the seriousness of the implications of there being multiple competing means of manipulating time, whereas S;G 0 is probably the most realistic snapshot of where such a thing would result in. Not only the warfare around it, but even the factor of the self-destructive nature of time travel technology; as the only way to fight against it is to eliminate it at it's source. I could rant and analyze S;G and S;G 0 for hours and write a massive report/review on it, but the ultimate conclusion is that S;G 0 was necessary, and brings a shitload of new things to the table, as well as follows through on premises to a degree rarely seen, especially in time travel fiction. Without the entirety of the S;G 0 timeline, the original S;G ending would be impossible. I wound S;G 0 to be far more exciting and thrilling than the original S;G due to it's level of escalation, granted it is a slow burner.

[@yekna459]

I keep seeing people online saying that Steins;Gate isn't anything original when it comes to time travel. Are there any stories you could recommend to me that you think do time travel well and in an original way?

[@man4437]

I'm not sure how good the "originality" argument is, but I agree that it didn't make sense to begin with. The reason why S;G fans like 0 is because they never really cared about any of it making sense to begin with. People were attracted to "funny man do time travel to save cute girl".

[@GenesisAria]

to the contrary, that's why people didn't like 0, because funny man was depressed man in 0, even though it made every sense for him to be despaired.

[@Pikaton659]

I honestly thought S;G0 kept up with the original in every regard whenever Kagari wasn’t on screen.

[@xyanide1986]

Yeah this criticism goes for the gross majority of sequels.

[@lordartoriuscollbrande7434]

Steins;Gate 0 is the worst anime of all time. Let’s just be honest.

[@evelynmanousaki3536]

The worst anime of all time no, but sure it was not as good as the original Steins;Gate. I personally quite liked it after watching the whole thing for the first time and I did not really notice its flaws because of how attached I had become to the original. But yes after thinking about it I kind of understood what was the whole reason for watching it , it was about seeing my favourite characters on screen again. The one thing that really ruined the experience a bit for me was the blunt af side characters introduced in 0 except for Maho whom I really liked as a character.

[@BinaryDood]

Steins Gate in general sucks

[@Alexp904]

Rodeen why

[@credfire8660]

Yeah man. Where's my man ice Norose?

[@cristianramos4309]

It doesn't suck

[@evelynmanousaki3536]

Then name something that is better