Raphael interrupts my ascension to take the crown from Gale - Baldur's Gate 3

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That was really not expected, Raphael showing up at the party to take the crown from Gale right before my ascension to godhood..so many details!
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Raphael interrupts my ascension to take the crown from Gale - Baldur's Gate 3
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[@Saretz]

Edit 2: JOIN THE NEWLY CREATED DISCORD! discord.com/invite/2dMTfFk6pv Edit: do you want me to upload the dialogue at the party, before this sequence? Let me know with replies to this message, it's similar to the god Gale ending I already uploaded, but not the same. - Ok hear me out, the plan was to work on Wyll, but I stumbled upon this completely randomly today and I HAD to share it with you, 500+ hours in and I'm still finding new things out, this is incredible. Next I'll be uploading the Raphael credits scene that plays after this ending, and then I'll finally finish up Wyll and Shadowheart. Do let me know if you have any request in particular though, I'm at your service (so long I can provide xD).

[@Nathan_Payne]

What will happen if Gale does everything necessary to become a God but at the same time is turned into an Illithid? Mystra seemed to say that in Elysium they would try to heal Gale.

[@Saretz]

@@Nathan_PayneCan't answer that myself sorry, I don't have an a Gale origin run :c

[@EujenSandu]

@@Nathan_Payne , wow! Please notify us all in here if you do find an answer!!!

[@Saretz]

@Aszkalon 😁

[@leonardyoung2126]

Yes please

[@chupon29]

It's nice to see that Gale's domain is a genshin impact loading screen

[@Saretz]

LOL

[@raissacamelo7498]

Huge LOL

[@Saretz]

@@raissacamelo7498 Can you hear the song

[@Loryplayz]

LoL

[@elitetrooper119]

Where is Paimon?! Find her! It’s time for dinner 😈

[@sonadowfiend]

Tav: "Hey, Withers? I think this Hellspawn is crashing your party!" Withers: "Vermin, away. Thou shalt bother us no more."

[@Saretz]

Raph messing around two gods

[@rpghorrorstories]

​@@Saretzthree. Milil is also a god.

[@Saretz]

@@rpghorrorstories true, I suppose, albeit a minor one, no?

[@rpghorrorstories]

@Saretz so are Gale and Withers.

[@Saretz]

@@rpghorrorstoriesnot sure about that xD

[@tyrstark8673]

Raphael: "Give me the crown!" Gale: "New phone, who dis?"

[@Saretz]

😂

[@nerdyhexel307]

Any ending that has Raphael mad is a good ending.

[@Saretz]

Facts

[@JB-xl2jc]

Technically he wasn't mad in my ending. I don't think he felt much of anything

[@Saretz]

@@JB-xl2jcThat video's coming out soon too, working on the finishing touches

[@BillieChaosCat]

It's decided. I'm 100% romancing Gale in my Astarion playthrough.

[@Saretz]

@@BillieChaosCat😂

[@MsSarahJosephine]

Gale straight up asked Raphael to be his personal Lucifer.

[@Saretz]

Damn I didn't think of it that way xD

[@bairdrew]

I mean I'm pretty sure once he has time to think on it Rapphy will be pretty OK with it.

[@Saretz]

@@bairdrewlmao

[@JB-xl2jc]

He sure went to the "Gods playing with non-gods as toys" stage of divinity quickly lol

[@Saretz]

@@JB-xl2jcTime flows differently in Elysium! xD

[@AdrasAdraki]

Ambition as a domain must be one of the sweetest deals honestly, so mamy sentient beings to gain faith from. Hell, even your enemies empower you.

[@Saretz]

True!

[@rustkarl]

True, but it’s also a dangerous game to play. The Dead Three can attest what happens when ambition outpaces ability. Like pride, it’s an insidious killer that will coil around you, blind you and bring you down. Gale becoming a god only ensures his flaws as a character remain, perhaps with consequences far worse than what that sphere could ever be capable of. It also means that by sharing in his power and domain, he is an enabler of those with that power, tying him by both his gifts and his philosophy into every great or terrible thing they might do.

[@Saretz]

@@rustkarl We'll have to wait and see what's considered canon in the future

[@adamdymke8004]

I thought gods required worship rather than people just doing the thing in their domain.

[@Saretz]

@@adamdymke8004 I think it's a mix of both

[@judgedredd2039]

It's funny, it looks like Gale is screwing Rephael over but in fact he is living up to his domain as the God of Ambition. He is basically challenging and testing Raphael's ambition, he is seeing if Raphael will come and challenge a god in their realm knowing that is where they are most powerful and seeing if he does, he is all so seeing if he can back up his ambition and get the crown. Any way it goes it is kind of a win for Gale, Raphael never acts, and Gale doesn't have to deal with him, Raphael act and fail mean Gale ends him removing a complication, Raphael acts and gets the crown but in turn because he fulfilled his ambition it just strengthens Gale even more. The fun part is I be Raphael knows this and knows no matter what he does Gale wins in the end lol.

[@Saretz]

Interesting analysis of the situation

[@pipwolverine]

This does sound like the big-brain, 4D chess move that Gale would pull tbh, especially with that +5 int from ascending to godhood

[@cwill6491]

Let's be real though, he probably won't be getting the crown back

[@Saretz]

@@pipwolverine XD

[@Saretz]

@@cwill6491 I suppose it depends, on how much time he's willing to wait for it

[@m0nkEz]

Dude's afraid to challenge an upstart minor god, but wants to conquer the hells from Asmodeus... Oh Raphael, never change.

[@Saretz]

Lmao

[@leyrua]

He wants to conquer the hells AFTER gaining ultimate power. He's afraid to challenge a minor god BEFORE getting ultimate power... that said minor god currently holds.

[@danortiz]

@@leyrua that's not ultimate power, and Asmodeus is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more powerfull than a minor god.

[@leyrua]

@@danortiz Not inside that god's domain, he ain't.

[@danortiz]

@@leyrua ofc

[@spagetortee]

Gale really said "Your crown is my bitch now" and then lookmaxxed Raph into oblivion

[@Saretz]

😂😂

[@willwhite6628]

He cast level 9 Mog spell

[@danielriley6605]

I love how shadowheart is just chilling in the background while all this is going on. As though seeing the creation of two gods is just a normal saturday night.

[@Saretz]

😂😂😂

[@josephkasmarcik2895]

Well in Faerûn it just about is. There is a unhealthy amount of gods dying and mortals taking there place in the lore.

[@EstebanBrenesV]

@@josephkasmarcik2895 true, it might not be a daily basis but is like a government change every 4 years or so XD

[@morelstrike]

​@@josephkasmarcik2895 Not to mention how like half of them just roam the world, disguised as mortals.

[@josephkasmarcik2895]

@@morelstrike Too true its probably why they get taken out all the time. You have to wonder is the mortal plane the happening place or what. I would look at the mortal plane like the bad side of town since there are a lot of crazy people/ creatures there that are trying to call down the forgotten realms version of cthulhu. Blow up the world take it over etc.

[@TheScavv]

I think it would be more funny if Gale just gave him the crown as a worthless piece of metal after sapping all the power out of it. That would be the perfect way to play a devil. The deal was he would hand the crown over and would be doing just that

[@Saretz]

That would make him boil

[@FlightX101]

That would be the funniest thing ever lol

[@Cernunnnos]

That's what I thought he was going to do tbh.

[@thisisaname5589]

There are all sorts of ways to screw over Raphael. That one can wait until after he's managed to get to it within Gale's domain.

[@Joj36357]

Did gael not alright use the power up to become a god, y is Raphael still obsessed abt it

[@khuongtran4941]

Raphael tried to hold his tears. 1st, you mock him with Harleep. Then, Gale dare him to come and take the crown at the Realm. It looks like, Raphael's waiting over 1000 years and everything going back same as beginning instead of Mephistopheles's vaults.

[@Saretz]

😂😂

[@RePhantomz]

The thing is raphael is doomed to fail even with crown on his possession. Asmodeus is simply way above his paygrade. I think this outcome is far better for him lol.

[@Saretz]

@@RePhantomz Ambition

[@jbabylucus1641]

@@RePhantomz didn’t gale take all the power from the crown anyway? So it literally shouldn’t be able to do anythin for Raphael or am I missing somethin

[@niempi2]

@@RePhantomz At least in the previous patch, if you did give him the crown, he came back in the epilogue to tell you that he had allready conquered hell and was coming for your world next.

[@SorosPhuvix]

This entire adventure really had the potential to create two brand new gods. Fascinating outcomes.

[@Saretz]

Yep, and much more to see still.

[@wr5488]

4! Gale, you, Absolute, Raphael

[@maximumcockage6503]

And an ascended vampire. Which is practically a demi-god, except Larian only gave it a bit of necrotic damage per attack lmao.

[@Saretz]

@@maximumcockage6503Doesn't he justify it by saying he needs to adjust to it? It's been a while since I ascended him

[@codeine69]

Imagine being a cleric to Gale in a TT campaign

[@Reaper0123]

Just thought of an interesting domain suggestion for Tav here: Temperance, as a balancing act, to maybe hold back TOO ambitious things, and to perhaps temper Gale here and there eventually, being the ’soothing hand on shoulder’ and ’calming whisper to his ear’, and all that. Would an interesting divine-level Ying-Yang dynamic.

[@Saretz]

I've read someone else mentioning Temperance as well, interesting

[@pikabolt5196]

I love that idea

[@leyrua]

Oh, that's brilliant! Especially because that would be something that (while an outsider might assume would be antagonistic towards each other) would actually COMPLIMENT one another's domains. Gale knows all too well the folly of reckless ambition, so the yin and yang of Temperance would make followers of his domain more effective at achieving their goals without it being a pyrrhic victory.

[@leyrua]

Temperance makes even more sense if you are playing a Dark Urge redemption story. Both of you had an arc of achieving your ambitions despite an internal obstacle attempting to thwart you. Yours were threatened by your self-destructive impulses (which you learned to contain). Gale's ambitions were nearly ruined by a bomb in his chest (a more literal form of self-destruction).

[@SaltyTom]

I mean, I feel like it depends on how Tav approached the whole Crown business. My Tav actively encouraged Gale to seek the Crown a la Lady Macbeth, so I don’t think Temperance would fit him. My personal headcanon for my Tav’s domain is “Talent” as the counterpoint to “Ambition”. Gale, a former wizard, is all about self-improvement, looking to become more than what you are, gaining power from knowledge, artifacts, schemes. My Tav, a Sorcerer, would be all about recognition of one’s innate abilities, the unlocking, nurturing, and growth of power that was always there to begin with.

[@JoshT-rb9gq]

Crazy gale did all this at level 12

[@Saretz]

XD

[@xDeadlyWarriorX]

"What drives you, we have yet to discover" - It would be funny AF if we had some options there.

[@Saretz]

True, like: food

[@MrSamulai]

Curiosity. Not only does that motivate 99% of all players out there, it would also thematically go very well with ambition.

[@andrewfernie3528]

Hmm. So there IS a more satisfying end to Raphael than marching into his home and killing him! So basically Chad Gale and Virgin Raphael.

[@Saretz]

😁

[@wr5488]

Does killing him actually kill him? Apparently he still pops up after you kill him for endgame cutscenes, pissed off but still alive

[@Saretz]

@@wr5488I believe that to be a bug, but I'm not 100% sure

[@awthorne9877]

@@Saretz By lore, a devil can only be slain once and for all only the Nine Hells, but since Raphael is a Cambion (a really powerfull one), he probably has some sort of contingency plan for when he's killed

[@Saretz]

@@awthorne9877 I also heard that technically Avernus isn't his home plane, since he's Mephistopheles son, but I don't know if that would affect

[@YtMarceIo]

"You want it? Come and get it" - Gale 😎😂

[@Saretz]

😁

[@FoxBatinaHat]

Ahaha! Omg, yes he can. The contract says he will give the crown but not where and how. And Gale has simply stipulated the where; Elysium. An impossibility for a Devil like Raphael to tresspass. Ahahah! Great thinking. And as long as Raphael holds ambition, Gale will know where and how he is pursuing it.

[@Saretz]

XD

[@theangrypotato2.031]

Even better, it makes Gale stronger. If Raphael has enough ambition to even make it there in the first place, let alone fight Gale for the crown, he'd grow way too powerful for Raphael to deal with.

[@prosepeony]

The way he quotes Raphael back to Raphael with the tables turned is amazing.

[@Saretz]

yep

[@AndyMacster]

Gale is a badass but he is so woefully overambitious to think he can just invite you into Godhood, which has one major component to it that is far beyond him: Balance. A balance which he's intentionally shifting, to Ao's possible ire. I do like Godhood Gale, though. I just wish it wasn't so clear that his own domain would be his most likely undoing.

[@Saretz]

I did not upload the dialogue before this, during the party, but he did mention it would take a millenium or so for him to convince Ao xD

[@laszloszombati7966]

And the three morons cared for Balance? Honestly, most gods ascended from mortal beings, so I do not mind for him.

[@Saretz]

@@laszloszombati7966 I wonder though which events will really be considered canon, given this game is a legit entry into d&d

[@Fearoq]

​@@Saretzguessing Ao would be willing as long Tav and Gale fulfill their god duties for a millennium or two.

[@ronben-ezer8373]

meh, whenever a god tries to promote another to godhood, Ao instantly becomes aware of it and can choose whever to approve the ascension or not. If Gals ascends us, then Ao's okay with it.

[@ShartevelleHallowleaf]

Gale: * casually turns tav into a god * Shartevelle in the background: 🧍‍♀️

[@Saretz]

😂😂😂

[@misfortune13845]

So, it seems they became the gods at the genshin loading screen

[@Saretz]

lmao

[@ladyselin35]

Gale surely has ambition , but not selfishness. You two could share the same domain with two different sides of ambition. One for ambition with logic other ambition with passion.

[@Saretz]

Being that this was a redeemed Urge, **passion** could fit I suppose XD

[@ladyselin35]

@@Saretz Well considering the alternative , its always good to give him a hand.

[@Saretz]

@@ladyselin35I see what you did there 😂

[@olgajunghanns]

Omg, he came straight to the camp! 😮 Incredible

[@Saretz]

Yep! And I found it completely accidentally too, I was incredulous

[@Sylentmana]

In this case, omg stands for “Oh My Gale” lol

[@olgajunghanns]

@@Sylentmana absolutely 😁

[@Saretz]

@@Sylentmana😂

[@MsPysoul]

Its interesting how Mystra would not let Gale become divinity when they were mingling with each other, but Gale lets you become one without a second thought. Although his ego might have grown a little, at his heart he is still the same

[@Saretz]

Sparing you what he went through

[@Andriej69]

Gale is so smug throughout this entire conversation, almost like he has the knowledge of alternative timelines where Raphael gets his ass kicked by the same mortals he keeps threatening. This fucking game was sooo good already, but based Larian just keeps going HARD. Baldur's Gate was just elevated to a franchise with highest consistent quality standard in history

[@Saretz]

❤

[@efaristi9737]

Awww that would be so worth it to make Gale a god just for that. Raphaël is used to have the upper hand, it's so enjoyable to see him realize he's not the top dog here for once.

[@Saretz]

I don't know why but you youtube tagged your reply as inappropriate, had to manually approve it o_o

[@efaristi9737]

@@Saretz I did ? that's weird.

[@Saretz]

@@efaristi9737 yeah but it's not your fault don't worry, just yt being silly

[@abilawaandamari8366]

Honestly he's not even the top dogs compared to the other powerful devils, he's like a small lord

[@terzaputra3203]

Now, if there's an ending where Tav/Durge become a god like this instead of being the Absolute I would actually take it. Spiting Raphael and make his all his plan useless is too hard to pass on.

[@Saretz]

Yep

[@diveblock2058]

I mean in the durge redemption you get a portion of jergals power he held onto so that's the closest thing ya can get

[@Saretz]

@@diveblock2058 Technically my character in video was a durge too, sooo, I suppose that counts xD

[@DeadJuicebox]

Hmm redeemed Durge was made from the essense of Bhaal, had some of Jergal's power invested into them, and can possibly ascend with Gale. Thats a lot of brushes with divinity there.

[@Saretz]

@@DeadJuicebox A whole bucket

[@Martha-Novalin-]

I love how his big naturals and his wings block the camera

[@Saretz]

Though I think that was just a poor camera placement choice (or a bug) from when they scripted the scene xD

[@Martha-Novalin-]

​@@Saretzyes I assume so. But he's like "you only need to see me. Nothing else's important"

[@Saretz]

@@Martha-Novalin- 😂

[@viconpc9531]

Gale is such a badass ❤❤❤

[@Saretz]

Hehe

[@OceanSongBird6355]

So just a weird thought that popped into my head but I wonder what Mystra thinks of Tav’s relationship in general with Gale? That was something I was always curious about but now even more so because of this ending. She seems like a very spiteful, controlling, and somewhat jealous goddess so I wonder how much her blood boils when he moves on and even more so when he ascends not only himself but also his new lover.

[@Saretz]

Honestly, I don't think she cares at all xD

[@luisaluthor3478]

She takes so many random wizard lovers, I think she was simply done with Gale.

[@luisaluthor3478]

@@Saretz However, what may upset her is the fact that he became a god. She seemed to be underestimating him constantly.

[@OceanSongBird6355]

@@Saretz fair hahaha

[@OceanSongBird6355]

@@luisaluthor3478 this is true!

[@KisaraShera]

Its kind of ironic, Gale starts out as the "boytoy" of a godess and becomes a god, while Tav starts out as an "average adventurer" and in the end becomes the "boytoy" of the ascended Gale.

[@Saretz]

Lmao

[@maximumcockage6503]

Surprised they'll let you become a god, but won't let you backstab Ayalin AND the wizard in the Sorcery Sunderies by attacking them both and putting her in the circle yourself after beating them both to pull a Ketheric and be immortal yourself. Imagine being a god + half ilithid + immortal + controlling an army of illithid's in place of the brain. You'd practically be one of the most broken villains in DnD history.

[@Saretz]

You'd probably get along with my friend 😅

[@snappycenter7863]

Simply by trying to bring him down, Raphael is giving Gale strength. Raphael is doomed to be a loser and he deserves it.

[@Saretz]

And he probably realized it right away too

[@user-ny4fh9tz7m]

How is it that I've played through 4 or 5 times and every time i see new stuff? Like this!

[@Saretz]

I'm still finding new stuff after 9 xD

[@letsplaysvonaja1714]

I like how that blue robe and the statue like body is apparently divine dress code XD

[@Saretz]

Clearly xD

[@Leukotrieneb4]

Everyone in life has some kind of ambition. Thats the power force you to take the next step. I cant believe how in dnd this domain stayed unclaimed

[@Saretz]

True

[@sundaddy1077]

Maybe because there are so many ambitious people trying to claim it so they always stay as minor gods

[@Saretz]

@@sundaddy1077 mmmmm

[@JStryker47]

Oooh… I love the colors on your character’s dress.

[@Saretz]

Why thank you

[@chronically_eepy]

FUCK YES GALE

[@Saretz]

❤

[@alexsolomon7991]

For all those in the comments section lettering how Gail is going to upset the balance and how you could possibly make the protagonist a deity...... Don't bet on it. The balance has been disrupted in faerun so many times it might as well be a seesaw. And Ao is powerful....but not ALL powerful.. or even invincible. This was actually sort of covered way back when when D&D came out with the Birthright setting..... And you basically had big bad greater God of darkness going up against six intermediate to minor deities. There were protracted wars both cold and hot and it all came to the head when they all manifested at the top of a mountain and blew it all to hell spreading god essence all over the place. Mutually assured destruction. That option is always on the table, Ao knows it.... And he knows if he throws his weight around too much trying to keep a lid on things he could very well cause the entire mess to explode and take him with it. And Ao has hinted that he himself is actually nearly a servant in the employee of much greater beings.... So there's that to deal with as well. I would love for there to be a DLC or future version of the game where there is an option to help Gale develop his portfolio further and spread his religion.... It would make for one hell of an interesting plot line.... Especially since a lot of what he's doing is treading into cyrics territory which I believe has already been hinted is going to be a potential sequel. So who knows?

[@Saretz]

**consuming lore**

[@efaristi9737]

The Overgod is not all powerful ? damn. I would like to play a D&D game as a god, i'm very curious about how that would turn out, what would be the stakes, the challenges , etc...

[@Saretz]

@@efaristi9737 There are places where gods have no power at all 😉

[@Fl0wchart]

Ah Cyric... Y'all think Bhaal is scary? You have no idea how scary a God can be until you see Cyric.

[@Saretz]

@@Fl0wchart do tell us 👀

[@Sylentmana]

The godly realm looks like the login screen to Genshin Impact.

[@Saretz]

LOL

[@PrideBornAmadi]

I romanced Gale, turned him into a God, and didn’t offer me ascension. How do you trigger that beautiful scene where you’re in a heaven at the end it’s killing me.

[@Saretz]

I believe it all depends on your interactions with him throughout the game, not only you have to help him and set him against Mystra, but I believe you also need to encourage him to become a god and take you at his side, if you give him doubts he'll reject to take you with him

[@Dzugashvili]

you can try to dissuade him at the end before the epilogue and he'll still offer it to you if you were supportive in all the chats before that last one. @@Saretz

[@Saretz]

@@DzugashviliGood to know!

[@ShayGamerD3]

Wow, kudos to Larian for thinking about that too.

[@Saretz]

Crazy right?

[@fantical999]

I read a fanfiction where Gale was the God of Ambition, and Tav became his Goddess of Temperance... It was such a romantic fit, the two balancing each other. Ugh i love Gale, even his "bad" ending isn't that bad

[@Saretz]

As I always say, good/bad is often just a matter of perspectives

[@user-mu8ok5xf8d]

This is just one of his endings not a a bad one. His bad one is if you don’t deal with the devil and he stops gale from ascending by triggering his orb

[@Saretz]

@@user-mu8ok5xf8d exploding Gale def not funny xd

[@Tamagotschi95]

I mean ... he used to get killed by Mystra when he ascends. So I guess the new epilogue made that ascention ending better for him than it was before?

[@Saretz]

@@Tamagotschi95 I wonder if that's avoidable now, but I don't have a Gale origin run

[@brandonjohnson9876]

Wow. I had Gale deliver the crown to Mystra. I wanted to live a peaceful, mortal life with him. And to think the alternative was that we both could’ve been gods. This game is incredible.

[@Saretz]

Yep, choices.

[@zomgie6817]

The GODDESS OF LOOT! Anytime an adventurer does anything, BLAMMO, power up.

[@leyrua]

This is amazing purely for the fact that this is the same kind of tactics Rafael uses to screw people over. Adding some BS stipulation that wasn't explicitly outlined in the original contract.

[@Saretz]

That's how you outwit the fox

[@noone12748]

​@@SaretzThat +5 to intelligence in action

[@Saretz]

@@noone12748XD

[@ZelChan]

I let him ascent once but I like prof Gale more smh 😅 so this Raph situation is pretty funny. Poor lad 😂 first his father then God Gale

[@Saretz]

I like professor Gale a lot

[@minben7300]

Dark Urge would be the perfect God/Goddess of redemption/penitence

[@Saretz]

This was actually a Durge character 👀

[@gibbhartin643]

bro said "I like your ambition, if you prove to be a worthy serf to me, you can take the crown."

[@Saretz]

play his game now

[@thomasalegredelasoujeole9998]

Hohoho that was DELECTABLE !

[@Saretz]

😉

[@arbsan8366]

I really love that music that plays at 3:07 it makes the scene with Gale all so more beautiful 🥹

[@Saretz]

And it's a unique track too, I believe

[@arbsan8366]

@@Saretz oh it definitely can be!

[@slifer135]

While this is an interesting ending. According to all the lore on ascending to Godhood. Is that you can fulfill any and all the requirements but "Ao" will just knock you back down if "Ao" is not interested in you becoming a God. Then after you get knocked back down after ascending you become a lich. Just feel like BG3 slipped up here because "Ao" no longer allows Gods to ascend mortals to Godhood anymore. He restricted that heavily after the Gods went out of control in the beginning. My assumption here is that "Ao" might have already approved the MC to join Gale in Celestia before doing this. That's the only logical thing I can think of.

[@Saretz]

It's probably something Gale discussed already, I suppose

[@kaulenfuhs1630]

Perhaps Karsus was one of the last exceptions he was willing to make, and Karsus fucked it up somehow, but maybe that exception is still embodied in the crown

[@Saretz]

@@kaulenfuhs1630mmmm

[@DefconDelta88]

Oh I know exactly what God I'd become: the god of stealing everything that isn't nailed down.

[@Saretz]

😂 so, an rpg player

[@Keln02]

This ending rocks :O

[@rpghorrorstories]

I think Tav should be the god of Wrangling Dysfunction Murderhobos. A small but extremely powerful niche. What happens in a Karlach Origin? Can you become a god and spite Zariel?

[@Saretz]

Can't verify it, but it's definitely a possibility

[@robertfishburn8545]

The God of Bonds

[@Dafuqinator7]

If you get this outcome as Origin Lae'zel it'd be hilarious how she'd achieve in just over 6 months what Vlaakith still hasn't after untold millennia.

[@Saretz]

@@Dafuqinator7 lmao

[@gabrielcote8211]

@@Dafuqinator7 "Skill issue" - Gale and his love Lae'zel to Vlakith, probably

[@aceofplymouth]

I was waiting for Gale to say he ate it and that's how he became a god. Giving Raphael an inert Crown lol .

[@Saretz]

It's probably worse like this, as he still has the goal to obtain it, but can't

[@bruxistkodiak]

What this version of the ascension ending needs is the romantic fade-out to be interrupted by Raph appearing with a loud "DEKARIOOOOOOS!!!"

[@jqalightexhange]

The God of Ambition and The Goddess of Redemption.

[@jacobliefeld9248]

I wonder what kind of ending it is if you play as Gale and romance a companion. Will you be able to offer them to join you? Will they accept?

[@Saretz]

Good question, that I can't answer :(

[@MandieCat]

I'm currently playing a Gale run so I'll find out but it will be a long time lol

[@Saretz]

@@MandieCat update us!

[@jasonbest6755]

​@@MandieCatHow's the run going

[@TheodoricFriede]

No one will ever convince me that this is the wrong choice for Gale.

[@Saretz]

Personally, I like professor Gale a lot better, but I don't mind this version either

[@TheodoricFriede]

@@Saretz I know that, technically, this is a bad ending. Gale loses his humanity and becomes as bad as the gods he once hated. But I just DON'T care. It's SO amazing that he actually pulls it off. The only thing that would make it better is Gale romancing Lae'zel, and her achieving the Godhood Vlaakith has been trying to attain for 1000 years.

[@Saretz]

@@TheodoricFriede**Takes notes for future tests**

[@Namya12]

@@SadRussian-bq8yy Don't have much of an opinion for Gale, but for Astarion, it's definitely not good. He's becoming what he always hated and it's not helping him cope with his past. It's just making him drunk on power, after sacrificing thousands of innocents he already felt guilty about.

[@TheGreenReaper]

@@Namya12 At least they're not around to feel guilty about anymore.

[@CrobatmanIamthenight]

Honestly, iv not see every ending, but becoming a god with gale... is such an amazing ending

[@Saretz]

Quite good indeed

[@Eathrien]

Haha, pissed Raphael is a treat to see :P

[@Saretz]

Hehe

[@brianadoesart5195]

""You're an alluring figure Raphael"" -- GALE??? 👀👀👀👀👀

[@Saretz]

I think he says that about him in the beginning of the game too, but might be wrong 👀

[@JoseTorres-ry9qe]

Look at me. I'm the Captain now.

[@Saretz]

XD

[@top1terra1girl]

Gales love is so pure. The author and mythology lover in me thinks it would be story fitting for tav to betray him but I 100 would want this ending for Gale and be with him/support him to get him here. Mystra screwed him over so bad. Love is wanting a person to be their best self. 100% my fave ending for him is him choosing a mortal like and curing himself but it’s nice to know that I was right to say he will always be a god to me, with or without divinity.

[@Saretz]

That's quite romantic

[@gabrielrussell5531]

I really hate that taking the crown works out for him. It's an obvious hubris test that screwed over everyone who used it, and every established wise figure was telling him it's a bad idea to use it. It's even more egregious that he gets around a deal with a devil by doubling down on his bad idea.

[@Saretz]

To be fair, it's just one of the possible outcomes, he can also 💥

[@lulu_croissant]

Eager to see the video or Raphael after the credits !! How did this occur?! Accepted the contract and not killing him? I always refused the contract so I didn't know he could remain alive.

[@Saretz]

Yep contract still up and Raph alive, and yes that video will come either today (on the 23rd, depending on your time zone) or tomorrow on the 24th

[@lulu_croissant]

​@@SaretzI finally got this scene woohoo!! The only difference was that Raphael popped as his human version in my camp and not as a cambion. Still very funny !!!

[@Saretz]

@@lulu_croissant Really? Interesting, maybe they changed it with update 6

[@ColonelBragg]

Raphael went down like such a chump that its hard for me to take him seriously

[@Saretz]

😆

[@matrix255]

In my second playthrough I left Gale in the portal at the beginning of the game and I was disappointed to have no option to seize the crown for my self as a sorcerer

[@Saretz]

Unfortunately he's the only one with the "skills" to reforge it

[@dianabialaskahansen2972]

If you become a mindflayer, romanced Gale and Gale ascends, will you become a divine mindflayer? Or will he not offer?

[@Saretz]

I'll explore that option soon 😉

[@Zaxares]

Gale had better damn well offer to reverse the transformation if he does. XD

[@Saretz]

@@Zaxares Literally just finished testing it, unfortunately he does not offer that, but, he still ascends you as a mind flayer, would you people want me to upload it? It plays the same as this scene

[@levihankenson3801]

@@Saretzit might be different enough to post.

[@Saretz]

@@levihankenson3801Not that I could notice, other than having the mind flayer model (and it looked slighly different after ascension, but that could have been the light), I didn't get any other option and the dialogues played the same, even in the party section, beside the usual few MF choices

[@usov656]

Its a bit weird how gale can apparently grant godhood, something which apparently only Ao can do. Maybe he's doing what nergal/withers did and just giving up part of his portfolio?

[@Saretz]

Maybe! I can't really say how it works, but I'm sure someone will enlighten us :p

[@Siiarc]

The lore is really vague for the most part, at least on how the plethora of gods we have right now came to be. I think I read somewhere once that at some point shortly after the Days of Thunder Ao was handing out godhood to anyone who wanted it because they didn't want to manage the entirety of Faerûn themselves. Needless to say, they could do it (see the Times of Troubles) but would rather leave such mundane duties to someone lower than an Overgod. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Ao#Powers Theoretically, Ao could do anything he wanted.[2] He was often credited as being the creator of the cosmos,[6] and once separated Abeir-Toril into their specific worlds.[8] He existed beyond concepts such as alignment[6] and divine rank,[2] and was more powerful than all the gods and primordials of Abeir-Toril combined.[2][3][16] He could damage deities permanently,[7] demote them at will, and had the power to create new gods from sentient beings (if they accepted the responsibilities of godhood)[2] In addition, unlike the gods under him, Ao did not need the worship of mortals and did not desire it either,[2] whereas those "normal" gods who did not receive the worship of mortals could die from lack of it.[10] Ao initiated this after the Time of Troubles in order to enforce his will that the gods act as guardians of the Balance, rather than kings of mortals.[3][8] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I think that due to the reverence of the gods currently in the Faerûn pantheon, there are very few new gods. We occasionally run into a Gale or a Cyric, but Ao isn't getting tons of new requests for new gods because the ambition for godhood has kind of died out/appeared unobtainable. The part about "accepting the responsibilities of godhood" particularly struck me because it sounds like as long as you are genuine in your duty anyone can become a god no matter how minor their portfolio or domain will be, so long as you don't overlap with an existing deity.

[@_theblindwitch_]

One of my most favorite endings

[@Saretz]

In terms of satisfaction, I agree

[@jukesdtj656]

The absolute DISRESPECT on doing the very thing Raphael has done at the end of every conversation with us, snapping his fingers to teleport us away.

[@Saretz]

You reap what you sow!

[@BlazeMakesGames]

I still enjoy that Gale’s bad ending is that he ascends to godhood lol

[@Saretz]

"Bad" is very POV oriented I would say

[@Ketharuil]

This is awesome lol, how does this occur? You have to make the deal with Raphael, and I guess not free Orpheus? I mever would have imagined Gale beat him to the crown!

[@Saretz]

Orpheus/Emperor choice has no impact on this to my knowledge

[@user-vb9yn6mv7u]

@@Saretz And what needs to be done for this ending? Make a deal and not give away the stones? Do I need to terminate the contract?

[@C0ZMIK5K1TTL35]

God!Gale is kind of sweet. Him bringing you to godhood with him.

[@Saretz]

Love!

[@Spazticspaz]

oh dam I read that pursuance these goals results in his death ultimately, guess theres just a proper route u need to follow.

[@Saretz]

it depends, but yes, I think if you play him as origin there's no way to avoid it, but I'm not sure

[@lumiilee6021]

Mans hardcore dumped me to become a god in mine.. didnt even give me the option to go with him

[@Saretz]

Happened to me as well in another run

[@Very_Bord]

The idea of Raphael trying to take over the Hells with the crown makes me laugh. Literally any of the Primals would make him a shit stain on the side of the road, even with the crown. He MIGHT have a shot against Zariel, but any of the others? I can just imagine Mephistopheles laughing his ass off the moment Raphel knocks on his door.

[@Saretz]

Many brought that up already, waiting for Asmodeus to thanos him xD

[@theworstcatholic7247]

Meph is going to look at Raphael like a son with hulk gloves thinking he can dunk dad with his new toy.

[@Saretz]

@@theworstcatholic7247 😅

[@forgothispassword]

Unfortunately in Raphael's ending where you agree to the contract the ending scene is him accouncing that Mephistopheles submitted to him, and is basically implied he's on his way to taking over the Hells and even further beyond

[@Saretz]

@@forgothispasswordThere are some theories I've read on that, saying how Meph is just waiting cause he knows Asmodeus will wipe the floor with him

[@MollymaukD]

That's when Asmodeus steps in and no one involved is happy.

[@Saretz]

XD

[@rustyjones7908]

From my understanding Asmodeus has almost no pull outside of Baator. Stepping foot in Elysium would start a fight that makes the Blood War look like two cats taking a shit, and Asmodeus is smart enough to know it.

[@FlightX101]

Gale “sorry….i cant hear you over the sound if my ambition”

[@Saretz]

Lmao

[@raphaelregnault6914]

Damn ! Gayle steals godhood from Mystra and Raphael, but is still willing to share ? Truest of Chads

[@efaristi9737]

He didn't steal godhood from Mystra, what are you talking about ?

[@Saretz]

Probably poor wording

[@raphaelregnault6914]

@@efaristi9737 Basically he did. There are three people after Karsus' crown : Mystra, Raphael and Gayle. And this crown can grant godhood. If Gayle decides to take it for himself, it's basically a theft. Even more so if you made him swear to give the crown to Mystra or Raphael during Act 3. It's not a theft as in "he stole Mystra's power" like Karsus tried to do, but it's still a theft.

[@specialsomeones]

Tav should be the god(dess) of choice

[@alejandrogomezdelmoralguer3502]

Nah, the deity of putting their hands on everything.

[@Saretz]

The deity whose boots have seen everything*

[@ladyselin35]

@@Saretz The deity of have a lot of my mind , and well in it.

[@Saretz]

@@ladyselin35 😂

[@molealto]

And has a Tamrielic portfolio of arrows to the knee and stolen sweetrolls.

[@mbsilver3109]

After seeing this, that scene where Raphael muses on how Gale's ascesion is actually for the best? Where he says it doesn't matter that he didn't get the crown because Gale's going to cause chaos that he'll benefit from? This makes it seem more like he's just butthurt he knows he won't get the crown and he's grasping at straws to convince himself that he still wins... somehow.

[@Saretz]

He definitely is salty, that scene also plays after this scenario..so XD

[@lloydfromfar]

oh oh oh... haven't seen that one yet... you've been invited to godhood! :o :)

[@Saretz]

😉

[@softknivees]

how do you make gale ascend i genuinely can’t figure it out

[@Saretz]

To my knowledge, you just need to set him against Mystra and complete his quest by obtaining and giving him the book of Karsus

[@Danileptic]

I don't even know how to prevent it. It happens every time 😢

[@Saretz]

@@Danileptic My guess: don't put him against Mystra, but also don't make him explode, I couldn't get professor Gale myself, friend of mine shared the save file with me

[@softknivees]

@@Saretzthank you x

[@Saretz]

@@softknivees np ^^

[@z0ro_62]

Idk for these character i see a few possibilities, Hope , Persistence Courage to name a few

[@Linosek279]

“YOU CAN’T” “I JUST DID”

[@Saretz]

snap

[@rachelloof7569]

Anyone gonna mention it ? No? me as a warlock:

[@Saretz]

I thank you for the short story 😂❤

[@rachelloof7569]

@@Saretz x3 your very much welcome

[@PlayerSkillFTW]

Mephistopheles is a real nasty bastard that doesn't give a flying fuck about his children. Look at what he did to Magadon Kest in the Erevis Cale trilogy. Mephistopheles did get his ass kicked though and damn near decapitated in Cania by a semi-divine Drasek Riven (who later became the new Mask).

[@Saretz]

@@PlayerSkillFTW Mask as in?

[@rachelloof7569]

@@PlayerSkillFTW

[@abyssallagi6042]

My Tav would totally be the goddess of war, witch actually pairs pretty well with ambition

[@Saretz]

Oh 😯

[@rustyjones7908]

Kind of a crowded portfolio in the realms tbh

[@Sayrn.]

2:41 ayo shadowcutie has her dogs out

[@Saretz]

?

[@johnsadventures4675]

Gale: "I have so much more to show you" *Unzips

[@Saretz]

Wrong website XD

[@vane909090]

Didn't think this was a possible outcome. I thought Gale would be killed by Mystra if he tried.

[@Saretz]

I believe that happens with origin Gale, while this is companion

[@kuystalheim5427]

Was disappointed to find no crown when pickpocketing Gale on my pirate character. Guess it makes sense that he didn’t have it on him. (The plan was always to steal it from gale)

[@Saretz]

Pirate character? 😮

[@timothyfloyd3269]

becomes the god of petty squabbles.

[@Saretz]

lol

[@1000DeadFlies]

Wow I see not everyone convinced Gale to move on and embrace what makes him human

[@Saretz]

Experimenting is good

[@DanakarEndeel]

Very interesting to see so many different outcomes. I assume you can only get this particular ending if you romanced Gale and then give him the crown?

[@Saretz]

Indeed