Gale Meets Mystra ENDING | Surrender the Crown or Not? Both Outcomes

[@TheMrSeagull]

"How DARE you, a mortal, try to ascend to godhood!" -Gods who were once mortals.

[@TheXcizer]

Mystra was created out of the death of the previous god of the weave so she was never mortal.

[@BorpoTingis1312]

@@TheXcizer, nope. This Mystra is Midnight, who was once a mortal.

[@cyrusvile6622]

Pathfinders Aeomeda enters the chat..... well actually it was the Sunstone.... me a full demon with 5 purple rock... just kills her and walks away. Saying stupid bitch

[@ravenblood1954]

@@BorpoTingis1312But did she choose to be that god? As I understand it, she was ascended out of a necessity

[@elitehenrylegio]

Mystryl died because of Karsus. In her death she gave her Position and power to a mortal girl named Mystra. As mystra got send down by Ao with all other gods (exept Helm). She couldn't acept that and tried to climp the higher Planes again, only to get cruched (by helm). And so her mortal aprentice Midnight got her powers later.

[@CigBungus]

Mystra really said "brave tarnished, put these foolish ambitons to rest"

[@dongshenghan1473]

FOUL tarnished

[@senmeii]

🤣

[@Doominato]

A dead man’s words XD

[@jacquijaurena7915]

Mystra looking at all the other boy toys who wanted godhood that she’s had over the years: “Thy kind are all of a piece, emboldened by the flame of ambition”

[@steve.b8872]

@@jacquijaurena7915*Cracks open sword*

[@lordyasha5944]

A NEW HAND TOUCHES THE BEACON

[@Andrea_404]

Oh no, not that

[@genuinelypink3838]

Lmao nooo don't remind me of that.

[@adventofknowledge]

WHY ARE YOU HERE?!?!... No. I know. DO NOT COME BACK.

[@andrewhudson7108]

The subtitles call the Githyanki the "GIF Yankee" and now I can never unsee it.

[@goldenpony822]

NOooooooo

[@rt_huxley9205]

*Insert Dereck Jeter hitting a baseball while scratch fetches the ball.*

[@filipbitala2624]

Better than the GIF Monkey

[@benvolkmann9678]

I love the Detail that in his god Form Gale doesnt have his earrings - for they are Symbols of Mystra.

[@NobleNobbler]

Wow, nice catch

[@Imoenn]

If Gale becomes the illithid, Mystra will cure him and he lives with her. Ultimately making it the best possible ending as Karlach becoming illithid will eventually cease to be Karlach, so, at least this way she can remain mortal, go to hell with Wyll to find a cure and has an attempt to live a happy life.

[@mishiara5499]

well note "cure him". By Mystra's power he leaves behind his physical illithid form and his soul is restored by it - and mystra guides it to her divine domain

[@garycannon4644]

@@mishiara5499 the soul can be restored somehow after becoming a mindflayer?

[@mishiara5499]

@@garycannon4644 Mystra does it if you play as gale, become the mindflayer and give the crown to her

[@LinkJTO]

@@garycannon4644she is the goddess of all magic, she can do things that mortals could never imagine

[@ChocolateFishBrains]

​@@garycannon4644souls aren't destroyed and lost after becoming illithid, they move on to the afterlife because the person is now dead. High level spells can restore that person to life even with the illithid still around, and Mystra was capable of such magic long before she became a goddess.

[@ultrabumblebee]

Gale of Nippledeep

[@kitten_with_bad_breath]

Gale of Ballsdeep more like

[@IcyLucario]

I get the "aw man, he should have a chance to win" sentiment but... Come on let's be real, anything following in Karsus's footsteps was doomed to fail spectacularly from the moment Karsus was mentioned. He's the "legendary idiot wizard who fucked over literally everyone because he was too greedy and short-sighted and now his legacy isn't shaped by his magical feats, but by the fact that his name has become a negative connotation and synonym for folly." This entire arc of challenging Mystra is equal parts poetic as it is a certified Karsus Moment.

[@abeidiot]

well in my game he seemed to be doing fine as a God of ambition

[@theonesithtorulethemall]

And who spreads Karsus legend??? Mistra… his enemy… karsus one and only mistake was to lose to her. He tryed to save his people when the gods failed them, he did what was nesecary And it is proven multible times, including thrue karsus that you don’t need the weave or mistra to cast spells, but the weave gives her power

[@NubRusty]

So Gale is one of the few that actually gets a happy ending.

[@Xylarxcode]

Unless he decides to get too big for his britches

[@JB-xl2jc]

​@@XylarxcodeYep. Gale becomes a Demigod, maaaaybe a Lesser Deity. But in so doing, he picks a fight with one of the strongest Greater Deities in the entire setting. Goes about as well as it sounds...

[@DarkWhite-t]

What's so happy about it though? His relationship with Mystra is kinda toxic in my book. He did a lot of wrong things (basically choosing to bang a goddess to get power to start with), she doesn't have any empathy for him at all from all the scenes I've seen. Yes, by choosing option one he can be free of sphere's curse, free of dreams about Mystra and power, but he'll never be free of her influence since he's a wizard. That's an OK ending but I wouldn't call it happy (since he just works hard to manage to get things less broken in the end).

[@JB-xl2jc]

@@DarkWhite-t She definitely seems to have kind of groomed him. From what I can piece together, he was a very promising wizard from a young age, a total prodigy, and Mystra took notice and took him under her wing from a very young age. When he grew up a bit, he became one of her Chosen (she has a bunch, and in her various incarnations has slept with some of them including Elminster, though that was a previous incarnation of Mystra AND I believe Mystra has since wiped Elminster's memory, so even he doesn't remember it likely), and eventually they started a quasi-romantic sexual relationship. He clearly had feelings of inadequacy when comparing himself to a god though (I mean, uh, yeah, Mystra is one of the top 5 strongest entities in the setting behind Ao and a couple of other gods most likely) and tried to do the orb stuff to impress her, but of course f'ed it up royally not understanding the true nature of the orb. Nothing he did strikes me as that bad, impetuous maybe- and then his former god doesn't communicate anything to him during the darkest period of his life, lets him stew thinking that SHE intentionally cut him off rather than it being the Karsite Weave, doesn't intervene or even caution him when he is kidnapped and mindflayer'd, and even then when she finally DOES send word, it's word that essentially amounts to "Yo, kill urself bro, if you really care about me you'd kill urself". Oof. And even if he does everything perfect, she still hits him with the "Oh, yeah, uh... eventually, all in good time..." when he wants to resume their Chosen of Mystra-quasi relationship thing. It's honestly pretty sad and messed up, from Mystra who was previously a largely "good" god, not in terms of alignment necessarily (she's neutral now), but in terms of "Not doing horrific shit on the daily". Still, though, Gale's ending is a lot less bleak than some of the other companions.

[@DarkWhite-t]

@@JB-xl2jc Thanks for the lore bits and for summarizing it all so well! I'd hold Gale a bit more responsible for starting a relationship with a partner he doesn't seem to really care about but happy to get benefits from - even if that partner is a goddess and it's very hard to say "no" to a goddess lol. But overall I'm on his side and feel that he deserves more payback for his efforts too. Now it's like he's out of the jail but tied to a toxic job with his callous ex-lover boss to the end of his days. Well, maybe time will make it better.

[@MrWonderPants]

I love how in Patch 5, if you kept Rapheal alive he explains why Mystra is so antagonistic towards Gale. Its because Ambition is one of the most powerful tools to be used within the mortal realms. That as time goes by, Gales power will only grow due to Gale being so egalitarian when answering prayers. Which threatens both the Heavens and Hells. Which is why Rapheal decides to not challenge Gale further for the crown. He just wants to watch the worlds and realms burn, and collect the spoils from whomever is left. Gale becoming a god is literally the worst ending

[@Yusuf-ok5rk]

my man spoke like 16th century textile manufactory owner

[@goldenpony822]

Literally the best* you seem to have mispelt 😅

[@MrWonderPants]

@@goldenpony822 haha, whoops 😬

[@jessh4016]

@@Yusuf-ok5rk ??

[@zhadowmoon5811]

So explain simply basically she doesn’t like it cause he’s gonna get really strong because he’ll answer the ambitious prayers of everyone which may end up destroying the heavens and the hells?

[@BlazeMakesGames]

I do love that gale becoming a god is explicitly a bad ending, not just for him, but potentially everyone in the verse lol. In one of Raphael's endings if he's still alive, and gale becomes a god, he reveals that while things will hold out fine for now, eventually centuries down the line, gale's godhood will apparently cause a massive rift in the heavens that will "do more damage than the hells could ever hope to achieve" lol. Not to mention that if you question him about it in the new epilogue, he points out that he cares not for what the ambition that someone strives for is. He supports ambition in all forms, so a lich with the ambition to take over the world gains just as much power as a cleric with the ambition to save it. He basically just encourages everyone to become extremists and always shoot for the moon. And it of course it's just as hypocritical as all those billionaires that give ted talks claiming that they built their fortune from nothing with just a box of scraps and some elbow grease, completely ignoring all the fortunate circumstances that even allowed them to get to where they are today.

[@cutiepie6796]

IT'S NOT A BAD ENDING AND I'M TIRED OF GAMING COMPANIES RUINING GAMES

[@SilenceOase]

I've seen this argument about ambition being used maliciously and I'm like...you guys realise there's a literal God of murder in the game right? The guy who explicitly tells you to go out there and harm others? How is ambition worse than all the Gods that the "big 3" were worshipping? If those Gods can tolerate literal psychos amongst themselves, I am pretty sure they can make way for Gale too

[@cutiepie6796]

@@SilenceOase EXACTLY..... THEY JUST DIDN'T WANT GALE BEING A GOD BECAUSE HE'S A MAN AND SHE'S A FEMALE

[@Dis_Dis]

To be fair Gale did go from a dude stuck in a portal who has to eat magical boots to not explode to literal godhood. So when he says "I did it so can you" it holds a little bit more weight than Elon Musk pretending his father didn't have emerald mines.

[@cutiepie6796]

@@Dis_Dis 😑😐

[@tea-sus8722]

The one time mystra doesn't just keel over at random

[@AdrianCHOY]

Finally, deific royal rumble she actually won.

[@shermaljones5561]

​@AdrianCHOY that was like a grown man fighting a new born. It'd be fucked if she lost.

[@tek512]

I always found it a bit odd they gave Gale no option to remain a god and get along with Mystra. With the Karsite weave under control and thus no longer a threat to anything or anyone, there was no reason for them to be enemies.

[@k2cr]

I recently watched a DnD Forgotten Realms lore video about the gods, or mainly Ao, and although possible: each god needs to have their own "Portfolio", things they are incharge of. I.e. Bhaal is Murder, Myrkul is Death, Bane is Tyranny and Mystra is Magic (and so on and so forth) otherwise they just cease to be (among other things). Without a Portfolio Gale wouldn't have ascended, and with a Portfolio like ambition that Mystra dislikes, well, we saw what happened there.

[@kewpified]

It would've been nice if he could ascend but the sacrifice be he has to remain with the gods and live by their rules. He'd get something he alwasy wanted, to cross the line drawn for mortals and get to live with mystra as 'an equal'.

[@tek512]

@k2cr Mystra isn't even the only god with magic in their portfolio, and her Weave is not the only one. No reason Gale could not have established his stabilized Karsite Weave and been a peer to her, or perhaps even one of her lesser deity vassals.

[@adriankoch964]

@@kewpified Gods rarely see other gods as "their equal", especially when they have similar or conflicting domains, hence all of the shenanigans happening in Faerun. The Domains thing is just a method of Ao to keep them vaguely in check and give them some sort of borders to stick with. She reacts antagonistic because his ascension means that she and all of the other gods get a smaller piece of the zero sum follower/souls pie. Plus Gods don't like their power being challenged, ascending is the biggest challenge anyone could make in that regard. Mystra reacts like a vain celebrity when the "nobody" she kept as plaything starts to get his own press and media attention without her getting mentioned at all. Just because she asked him what he intended to do, doesn't mean she didn't have that already planned out for him, or at least decided which avenues to let him go on (be free, become chosen, become lover, NOT become a god - the gall!).

[@vond5829]

If you know the lore of the gods in Forgotten Realms, you won't find it odd. If it really bothers you that much, you can simply do a quick 1h reading. Trying to explain everything up here in the comment section is simply too much effort on my part

[@rachelloof7569]

Gale really said imma snatch this weeve

[@richiewitcher4456]

I'm surprised there's not memes of this yet. I tried to google if anyone did a play on words with weave meaning someone's hair involving Gale.

[@rachelloof7569]

@@richiewitcher4456 Heh if it comes up let me know i need to see it XD

[@MasterRaven0707]

What happens if you started a romantic relationship with Lae'Zel while Gale is the main character and ask Mystra to return to Faerun, will Gale then have a final scene with Lae'Zel where you discuss your future together, of couse if she agree stay with you???

[@AlexGrom]

Lae'Zel won't agree to stay if you free Orpheus

[@MasterRaven0707]

@AlexGrom No, you can convince her to stay with you even if Orpheus is alive, I know this because I played a created character and started an romance with Lae'Zel and at the end of the game she stayed with me when I asked her to do so, Orpheus was alive at the same time , he flew away alone.I was asking if the last scene with Lae'Zel if you play Gale as the main character and romance her, will the last scene with her be where you discuss your future together when you return to Faerun after talking with Mystra.

[@AlexGrom]

@@MasterRaven0707 I played as evil Astarion, became Ascended and all of that. She never agreed to stay with me, either being happy that I understand this or being sad that I don't. Even if I become ilithid she didn't want to stay

[@oszaszi]

@@AlexGrom I did the full happy endings: Orpheus freed, turned to illithid, i convinced him to not kill himself but go back to his nation. I convinced Laezel that she can leave things to Orpheus and start a new life here (but I had maxed friendliness with all my peers). But I played these after the patches, with the new Karlach ending. SO i also saved Karlach by convincing her to go back with Wyll. Since i convinced wyll to keep his contract to save his father. So he offered to go back with Karlach to avernus (because now he is the balde of avernus). And after all of these cutscenes i got Gale and Astarion. Astarion was romanced on that run so we had the "future" discussion. But I think you would have the same for whomever you romance after the generic endings. My ending cutscenes were super long for the "goody finish".

[@wizard380]

1. Mystra was a mortal woman named Midnight 2. Gods cannot intervine in mortal afairs anymore sincer Ao put her foot down to gods shenanigans after the times of trouble.

[@VapidFart]

I thought they always called Ao he?

[@heavy_hate5346]

Gods are pathetic. They’ve done terrible things to get their powers, so now they’re preventing mortals to become gods themselves, afraid to be replaced.

[@sakurashogun]

This. I like pathfinder's gods a bit better since they are flawed but also becoming one is sometimes unexpected. Cayden will always be my favorite. "oi, I bet you you can't pass the test of godhood." Cayden, completely black out drunk, "bet".

[@scadianarcadium83]

@@sakurashogun "Oops. Did I accidently a god?"

[@Nickelback8469]

@@sakurashogun Golarion has a few interesting deities but many of them are much less interesting to me than Forgotten Realms. I still love PF2e though

[@Ozzymandius1]

Not the auto CC calling them GIF-Yankee

[@dudemanalo9123]

What OSt was used in 1:10? I pray to use it for inspiration. Please, help.

[@Marxon1134]

So trying to acquire the crown as gale origin doesn't seem to work out huh...

[@5H4D3]

It does, you just become the god of ambition, which going by Gale's character, will eventually lead to taking over the Weave from Mystra when he's strong enough (instead of possibly getting blown up early in his godhood).

[@eyallev]

@@5H4D3 "you just become a god" yea, nothing special ...

[@windwaker105]

@@eyallev this is Larian Studios we are talking about. Becoming god in their games is kinda their whole thing.

[@catalinbostan3542]

Still ambiguous ending,possibly Gale won---a bitter victory,now that he's in control of the Weave,he might see what it truly means to obey greater forces,Ao,and to remain impartial to the suffering of mortals because your intervention might doom them.

[@lenlimbo]

Ambiguous? Mystra all but says that she killed him, seeing how she says that he would have lived longer if he didn't try to take HER position.

[@A_real_Wizard]

It seems this Mystra has forgotten her predecessors. She's literally the most killable God.

[@JoeGrizzly_]

You think Raphael can take her ?

[@A_real_Wizard]

@@JoeGrizzly_ Raphael is a Half-Archdevil Cambion. He's nowhere close to Godhood without the Crown. He's the son of Mephistopheles, and Asmodeus is the only Archdevil who has true divinity and can hurt a God. Asmodeus is so far above Mephistopheles in power, it's not even a contest. Given that Raphael is half as powerful as his dad *at best*, it's a joke unless he has the Crown.

[@goldenpony822]

​@@A_real_Wizardeven with the crown.... Wasn't Karsus MUCH MUCH mightier and still got fried real quick with the crown and all.

[@A_real_Wizard]

@@goldenpony822 Yeah but he was also just a human Devils are built alternatively

[@glowhoo9226]

Ironic since she’s also one of the most powerful, since almost all of the other gods use the weave, and she commands it.

[@oszaszi]

I was disappointed that there is no ending where he can defeat her. There is a book called alternative perspective on the weave or something. Its in the karsus room in the tower (or somewhere around, im pretty sure i picked it up in the tower) and it says weave is not from Mystra but leftover from space faring giants. I thought probably this is the Karsite weave that Mystra is talking about, but I was so confused by the game being unclear on this, making reading this book a "check point" in the quest and then not even doing anything with the info... I really expected him to consume her with the Karsite weave as the book says this is an edible substenance (which would align with the orb of gale that feeds on the weave). But I guess they did not want to have that kind of ending. I dunno just made me a tad bit disappointed.

[@DavianHeartley]

Seems like they respected the background lore in that. Several thousand years ago, A wizard named Karsus developed a lvl 12 spell. The only 12th level spell ever, Karsus’ avatar, which allowed him to loan the powers of a god temporarily. He cast it, and chose the one god he should not have chosen: Mystral, god of magic. As karsus took mystral’s power, he unbalanced the entire weave. magic stopped working everywhere, and causing apocalyptic devastation across the realms. Karsus then died, burnt out from the power. And mystral died and was reborn as Mystra. Gale taking her power here would result in the same thing happening again.

[@digifreak90]

@@DavianHeartley Some slight corrections, Karsus' Avatar, if cast successfully would cause Karsus to *become* the god of his choice, permanently replacing them. Mystryl had to sacrifice herself to prevent the Weave from coming undone completely, breaking Karsus' spell in the process as there was no longer a target for the spell. Then she was reborn as Mystra (and she put harsher limitations on what magic mortals could perform).

[@oboroth51]

Gale is already the biggest mary sue in the story not only beds one of the strongest gods but becomes one himself.

[@oszaszi]

@@DavianHeartley well, the patch 5 ending makes everything super strange. He can complete the crown and then complete the karasite weave and then since Mystra had dominion over magic he became god of ambition. I dunno how this then fits to the role but im kinda still disappointed about that ending. Guess im just picky.

[@oszaszi]

@@oboroth51 he is if you make him go that way. Most of my plays I convince him to give up the crown, but if the game wants to give us all options then I wanted one where god gale survives, but yet the one we have now is still disappointing because now it seems like he did it waaay to easy and doesnt even fit the lore properly.

[@alexben7462]

I remember when my barb became the God of violence in a table top game.... good times.

[@littlemisshero5447]

I wish you could have actually fought Mystra for godhood and the weave

[@PsyrenXY]

Spam Magic Missile!

[@heyjoji1954]

@@PsyrenXY UPCAST

[@marvelgirlxvii]

Mystra is a Greater Diety and is far far stronger than either Bahamut or Tiamat. If the two of them went at her at the same time they would still loose. She’s the strongest next to Ao who had her power split to nerf her. If she had her full power she would likely be the strongest Diety in all the realms.

[@brunohommerding3416]

Fighting a greater deity is an impossibility unless you are of similar status. They can just wish you dead and you die... and im not talking about the wish spell. When Gale "ascends" he forgets that there are levels of power even among deities... a lesser deity can be as easily one shot by a greater deity as a mortal can be erased from existance by a lesser deity. You are literally unable to harm a greater deity in any way shape or form as a mortal or as a demigod. The closest thing you can do to fighting a greater deity is fighting one of its avatars, but that does verty little in regards to actually defeating it.

[@AndyMacster]

Considering Mystra's INCREDIBLE status block, and ability to deny anything or anyone access to the Weave however she likes for however long, and her stats being 30 across the board with 40 in Wisdom and 50 in Int, and her counterspell allowing her to REDIRECT instead of simply nullify AND she gains the ability to learn up to 150 abilities from any being in existence (afaik) ... I'd say Gale was incredibly ambitious to take her on; and foolish.

[@asdffdsa1347]

Would have been really cool if you challenged mystra for her domain, if it was a hidden boss fight, one almost impossible to win

[@Redahoge10]

Really wished these endings had a cool superboss you could get loot from to bring into future playthroughs...

[@clipchamprazor3912]

Is it common knowledge in the realms that Mystra died during the Time of Troubles and the mantle was taken up by Midnight?

[@niallharrington3636]

from a quick look it seems midnight was killed in Spellplague and when ressurected was a combination of memories from all the Mystra, with the pre midnights mystra being the most dominant memories

[@JW-452]

in universe, no, midnight too the name mystra to allow a smooth transition of power, so the vast majority of peoplel have no clue that mystra is not the original.

[@ewertonbarrosfernandes4923]

o cara nem alcançou lv 20 e acha que pode efrentar uma Deusa kkkk

[@MrJoeyWheeler]

I do dislike Gale losing to Mystra in the "evil" ending. He ought to win. Or at least get a chance to. It's not like he's any less of a "god" in that ending than Mystra who is not only an ex-mortal herself but also one who got herself killed multiple times.

[@juliusarcher7241]

She is literally the Goddess of magic a Greater God mind you. Gale is what? A lesser God at best? As you know there is rank in Divinity. So yes he very much would be "Less" of a God compared to her. The crown is powerful sure but it is not ANYwhere near the power to threaten a actual Greater God. The thing that could and that thing which gave Karsus even for a moment the power of a true greater god was his 12th level spell which was taken care of ages ago to never be used again against the Gods. If the crown had any such level of threat it would have long been demolished like the spell. You also say she died a couple of times ye I mean sure its true but what exactly is the context behind those deaths? Karsus. The strongest wizard in history using the strongest form of magic to ever exist to steal Mystryl´s powers. She killed herself to stop it. Not exactly Mystra but It does count. Helm. Dying at the times of Trouble when all Gods were stripped of most of their powers and forced to walk the path of mortals in Avatar form. She refused because she wanted to fulfill her duties as the Goddess of magic yet Helm killed her before she could attempt to regain her powers. She died like several other highly notable gods like Bhaal or Bane or Tiamat and more. And ye she was Ex-Mortal but how exactly did she become a goddess? Well she was a peasant girl with basic magic skills who after the whole Karsus failing bit became the new goddess of magic gaining all of Mystryl´s powers and restoring the weave. She received the powers of a being that was already a extremely powerful Goddess she didnt create them or get them through the items of another mortal guy.

[@brittanyanderson97]

@@juliusarcher7241 Not to mention Shar stupidly convinced Cyric to kill Mystra (so Shar could make a shadow weave) triggering the spell plague. Which only ended after The Symbul and Elminster revived Mystra (at the cost of Symbul’s life).

[@Skypirateinc]

@@juliusarcher7241 She is incredibly powerful, but it doesn't stop a few from wanting Gale to have the opportunity to win against her - or disliking that there isn't even the fraction of a chance. It's similar to playing Astarion, but being unable to beat Cazador. Whether she's viewed as 'good' or 'evil', she guided or took Gale at a young age, eventually made him her champion ( a person that does her bidding ) and consort ( used his body ). There are a lot of parallels between the character's backstories ( or reused ).

[@sussysam2000]

Take the L mortals.

[@Scylon1]

that is just how it works. Some gods, like Mystra or Tyr are over powered because of the realm they govern. Now, if he became of god of an alterative weave he might have a chance later on. Like shar having the shadow weave. @@Skypirateinc

[@Blindluck92]

Humanity makes its greatest achievements when someone or something tells us we can't. If Mystra thinks that saying no would stop him from trying, let alone the bomb in his chest, then she's learned nothing from Karsus at all. One day, humans will start teleporting onto her doorstep without invitation, and when she tries to delete them and it doesn't work, she'll have only herself to blame for refusing to play nice when she had the chance.

[@ravenblood1954]

Sheesh talk about falling to grasp the moral of the story. Gale is FAR from the only human to ascend to godhood. Mystra is literally a mortal who ascended to godhood herself. The forgotten realms is full of gods who were once mortal but the dividing line is that the ones that pursued godhood out of a lust for power or to quell an inferiority complex turn out to be evil gods who become walking calamities. Cyric and the dead three are perfect examples of this. Mystra is perfectly reasonable in being suspicious of gale. His successor literally tried to kill her to supplant her place as the goddess of magic and it’s implied that gale thinks of doing the same. This never turns out well, as the story implies that Karsite weave is unstable and is the reason Karsus failed in the first place. Gale is not a true god, even now, and that’s why he fails to supplant Mystra if he tries

[@Plamkton]

One thing i wish for this was Gale instead of wanting ti become a god instead chooses to be mortal but retain the Karsite weave and in some ways be analogous to superman in trying to be the "man of tomorrow" to uplift humanitys magic to be far stronger than anyone or anything elses no matter how long it may take. A "god of humanity." In a way but one who prefers to be human

[@thescarecrow897]

there should be an ending where he can kill her and take over the weave

[@wasa4403]

Bro in the lore she is on of the strongest gods

[@glowhoo9226]

@@wasa4403she also dies the most. She gets killed fairly often. Gale probably lost because he JUST got the full power of the karsite weave, meanwhile, mystra has been using the weave for countless years. Gale just doesn’t have the experience he needs at this point.

[@wasa4403]

@@glowhoo9226 nah he is a lower god Not even in the same league

[@M.A.T.123]

@@glowhoo9226 your logic: if a god dies a lot then that means they aren't very powerful and can be beaten again. my logic: if a god has died a lot, and been revived, and is aware of their history, then that only bolsters whatever power they have and makes it harder for them to fall for the same tricks again. would explain why Mystra, a god who has been sniped several times in history, is finally acting like the god she is in this cutscene lol. but I have to ultimately disagree with you, Gale lost because he's dealing with the Weave itself and any magic he attempted to use against Mystra would probably just be deflected counterspelled or... eaten. That is so regardless of how long he spends adjusting to the Karsite Weave.

[@Eskolol]

@@glowhoo9226 To be fair Mystra has "died" only twice. Against Karsus who was the most powerful mortal to ever live in the lore and during the Time of Troubles against Ao-buffed Helm. Any other god except Ao would lose to those two aswell. Karsus could've challenged and easily bested other gods, but he chose Mystryl because to him, she was the most powerful as the God of Magic. Perhaps the most important portfolio in the lore and a portfolio that almost all other gods covet.

[@TheScribeScribe]

As God of Ambition in a human realm Gale would surpass quite a few in the Pantheon. That's why Mystra was so dismissive and hostile when you say you're gonna stay a god. He would rise in power pretty fast.

[@MsAlyssaB1]

Anyone who knows dnd lore, I’m curious about something. Can you insult gods in DnD or do you get exaggerated punishments like Greek gods, y’know being turned into a spider cause you’re a better weavers than a goddess etc. I’m just wondering by DnD lore can a Tav hate Mystra for her relationship with Gale and say it outloud or will they be divinely punished? Someone said on one of my comments that dnd gods can’t help people because of “rules” despite being able to bone them but can they strike down for badmouthing?

[@geraltGalleg0s]

Mystra is such a ... Ugh

[@eddiecollins7665]

You could also say that Larian doesn’t have the balls to write themselves into something big in dnd lore

[@corneliaaurelli1603]

​@@eddiecollins7665They weren't allowed to. WotC only lets them write what they deem appropriate. Originally we weren't even allowed to play classes outside of PHB. Larian had to make a case to WotC in adding them to the game.

[@PsyrenXY]

​@@corneliaaurelli1603I assume you mean subclasses here

[@PsyrenXY]

@@eddiecollins7665 if they had made Gale able to take down Midnight - guarantee that would have shattered the fanbase

[@marquisepixley684]

​@@eddiecollins7665you are wrong

[@dividednations44]

lol, I love how Mystra casually bitchslaps him if he steps out of line, which is such a Gale thing to do to begin with.

[@glowhoo9226]

Maybe if he’d had more time to master the Karsite weave, he could take her. But challenging her right after unlocking its power? Arrogant, even for Gale.

[@dividednations44]

@@glowhoo9226 you don't really know mystra's power if you think gale can ever hope to challenge her my guy

[@M.A.T.123]

@@glowhoo9226 illithid gale maybe, human gale er..never say never I guess.

[@philswiftdestroyerofworlds1988]

​​​​​​​​​@@dividednations44we get it, stop riding Mystra already "You really don't know Mystras power" Buddy you serious? Actually making me laugh You're the one who has no idea about her "power" or lack of it You just like her because "Ooh, ah, pretty" Like lmao stfu, she almost gets her portfolio stolen three times in every edition, tell me you don't know Forgotten Realms without telling me As other commenters have already blatantly pointed out and mentioned, Mystra is one of the most killable gods Karsus messed her up Raphael can with the crown Other gods have the power to knock her off her pedestal, but choose not to as other gods (possibly even Ao) would attack them in retaliation Cults have tried it multiple times And she's literally died multiple times before which is hilarious That's a major L on her And she's afraid of Gale becoming too powerful because she KNOWS for a fact Gale would take her godly portfolio Every damn day someone runs these hands at Mystra and she's almost defeated lmao Remember Mystra isn't the weave She just watches over it Whereas Gale IS ambition He has become it, it's apart of him, as it's apart of all mortals, all living creatures As long as there is ambition, and those chasing their destinies, and Gale there to guide them They explain in game that this is the exact reason Elysium and the hells are in a tussle over Gale's new portfolio He will only grow stronger with each new prayer, and with every destiny shaped While Mystra hasn't grown at all since her conception into godhood Mystra is stagnant in her portfolio and concept as a god Where as Gale can only grow with seemingly no limit in sight

[@philswiftdestroyerofworlds1988]

​@@dividednations44 TL:DR Mystra ain't shit, get over it

[@Yuyu02210]

I finished the game, I returned the crown, I see Gayle in the epilogue during the party in the camp, he became a professor, but I didn't have any scene with Mystra, I don't understand why yet I was my voor when elminster asked me Pls help me???

[@domenicc1839]

Because you need to play him from the start and choose him as your main character

[@dylanbouffard5437]

She didn't have to be such a dick in that second ending. She could have been impressed or a the very least accepting to have a new god around. The dude worked hard to become a god, I think he at least deserves a little respect. He didn't even threaten Mystra with anything...

[@Walsinats4]

The best choice is to become a god of ambition.

[@HungHo001]

Is there anyone who claims ambition portfolio other than gale and karsus?

[@M.A.T.123]

strictly its unique to them, but a lot of portfolios implicitly include aspirational elements (like...random example...the talontar aspiring to generate respect for themselves and their god, Talona, through the cultivation and spreading of new forms of disease and poison). so there would be a whole host of deities looking to take advantage of whatever divine power Gale or Karsus would have.

[@Shadow86TheGamer]

Expertly show how greedy, power hungry, in her case being an ex mortal and knowing very well the human nature how disgusting the gods really are. Once they have some power on their hands, are no better than any human. Just petty...

[@BillaBored21]

bro what is mystra wearing? no undies?. just like mizora

[@quirkyhonor3427]

I really wanted to see the "pleasure domes." hehe

[@kevinzhao9524]

You wish to showcase dialogue yet you click on them with such eagerness that it is unlikely anyone has the time to read even a few words.

[@AdrianCHOY]

Finally, deific royal rumble she actually won.

[@Mellie]

Why didn't I get this scene? Urg...

[@Mellie]

Wondering if it's because I romanced him.

[@dov2mt]

You have to play him as an origin character to get this scene@@Mellie

[@AngryAlien]

you most likely played as you tav aka pc character not orgin

[@mrfriendlyguy]

@@dov2mt Is there a way to play as an original character and end up with the Crown of Karsus at the end? Or does it always go to Gale?

[@purydango]

You can backstab orpheus, and take controle of the elderbrain

[@TheLoaKai]

Put these foolish ambitions to rest.

[@GattsBerserkArmor]

Because at the end of the day Gale is not a main character. Only Durge could somehow get out of something like that triumphant. 🤣😁

[@emoaf8555]

Avatar of Karsus

[@Camsteak]

I really hope gale is a god option in bg4 lol

[@Kelek47]

There won't be bg4

[@somerando9475]

Mystra out here looking like Ronda Rousey

[@wasa4403]

Well he tried

[@witerunguard1737]

I hate mystra so much they could have just ended it there but noooo they had to end it with her winning

[@joshuagraham3854]

I've never liked Mystra. She's like if camgirls on OnlyFans wielded divine power.

[@poyrazpoyraz-u6f]

those camgirls live in your head rent free dont they

[@LordDarshdan]

@@poyrazpoyraz-u6fmystra won’t sleep with you no matter how much money you send her

[@Asgaardiangatekeeper]

​@@poyrazpoyraz-u6fThey will never sleep with you, no matter how much you hobble your own self worth trying to defend them for no reason.

[@Sludgedump]

Gale should have won. Lame ass ending

[@marquisepixley684]

You are wrong

[@Sludgedump]

@@marquisepixley684 Nah

[@matiasluukkanen7718]

By comparison, Bane, Bhaal and Myrkul are quasi deities, weakest rank of the gods. And we could never defeat them in direct confrontation. Mystra is Greater Deity, and literally controls the concept of magic. She has stronger gods than Bane, Myrkul or Bhaal serving her, like Azuth, god of wizards.

[@tenjenk]

He's fighting the literal embodiment of all magic which a fancy head necklace which failed to take her out the first time.

[@ryansauchuk7290]

Explain your reasoning please, other than "He has da crown so he beetz everting"

[@TheAmenez]

Gale is the worst person out of the bunch lmao why dooes he get godhood

[@t0uchme343]

My high elf is hotter than this supposed goddess of magic smh

[@kittidoux]

Ok

[@enisberkaymert1669]

I hate Larian's "pOwErFuL WoMeN" stereotype. They are all annoying.

[@ryniepan3038]

Mystra is a canonically powerful goddess in the forgotten realms lore….she’s literally the goddess of magic, of course she’s going to be powerful. Gale is not even a full god at this point, his god power will take a while to manifest so yes she would kick his ass. I don’t like Mystra’s personality in this game either but she’s a literal ancient goddess not a “powerful woman stereotype”

[@Asgaardiangatekeeper]

​@@ryniepan3038I think it has more to do with the theme of a majority of the characters in this game. I didn't really get that vibe, other than with Shadowheart and Karlach, whose stories make perfect sense even if going by this theme. I just extremely dislike Shadowheart. It all started in that damn tomb when she started grilling me over my random conversation with Gale for no reason. I hated her character. And her stupid journey to become Darth Shadowheart at the cost of everybody else's wellbeing.

[@ErzsebetaBathory]

Take it up with Dnd back in the 80's. Mystra has been insanely powerful forever. She IS magic and the current incarnation of her survived being killed. Its not Larian, and it isn't new. She's in the top 3 of most powerful deities in the lore.

[@IcyLucario]

I would make a "Gale, moments before being killed" joke but Gale wasn't sexist.

[@Scouting1212]

@@Asgaardiangatekeeper Did you try for her good ending? I personally enjoy it alot.