Rapier final at Swordplay 2022

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Angel Chernaev - Historical fencing instructor

Күн бұрын

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@StarBoundFables 11 ай бұрын

This was really cool to see as my 1st HEMA rapier tourney footage, thanks

@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing 11 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it!

@LeRoyt97 Жыл бұрын

Never fenced before, but I love how patient you seem. Especially at 4:16. Also, couldnt help but feel so bad for Željko during that last exchange. Very unlucky.

@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing Жыл бұрын

Thank you. Yes, sometimes weird things happen in fencing. I forced the exchange with the leg cut and he stumbled on his blade

@milanmilacic9311 2 жыл бұрын

I was rooting for Željko, but I must admit you were better, would like to see you next year as well

@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing 2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha, thank you. I will hopefully come again next year as well.

@vicnighthorse Жыл бұрын

I like how this was presented so that my old slow eyes and brain learn what actually happened. Slow-motion replays are wonderful. Thanks.

@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing Жыл бұрын

Thank you. I am glad the editing helped

@BernasLL 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting to watch, cool ruleset and great editing! Also, very competent judging!

@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it

@setscet 10 ай бұрын

Really want to try this sometime. I do epee sport fencing, which is really similar (whoever pokes first gets a point), it goes a bit faster but the blades are so much lighter in that (car antennas) that I'm curious how it feels to use a more historical sword.

@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing 10 ай бұрын

Sport fencers tend to transition very well into historical swordsmanship so if you want, you should give it a try. Have in mind that rulesets may differ depending on locations and weapons. Also usually rapier (as is here) also allows cuts even if they are more limited as targets or points than thrusts.

@setscet 10 ай бұрын

@@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing Epee rulesets are very similar since there's not really priority rules, the difference being there's only thrusts and only single points can be earned. I think cuts wouldnt be too big of a learning curve because I've done a bit of sabre too and that's the main objective there. I can say from experience it's much easier to land a cut, hence why sabre is "faster" than foil (losing priority if you initiate an attack is less likely) and why epee is the most "patient" (counterattacks work, so you can't rely on initiative giving you protection).

@eli-pe6dj 5 ай бұрын

You were all so nice! 6:00 fistbump?! I have never seen anything like that in any one on one sport besides HEMA so good on you guys!

@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing 5 ай бұрын

Yes, it’s still quite common for people to celebrate the success of their opponents in very clean exchanges.

@DenysBuryi Жыл бұрын

Beautiful fight, never trained hema, but can't wait to. To my eye your economy of movement was what won the fight, it's beautiful to watch. Beautiful leg work too.

@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing Жыл бұрын

Thank you, it was a really enjoyable fight. Economy of movement is a major point in all fencing and plays a big role.

@noahpopal3058 Жыл бұрын

This is why i love rapier

@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it

@otamatonefan8996 Жыл бұрын

I always wished that the rapiers i used for fencing practice lessons (on a few school trips) were more solid like those ones you two used. Better precision, more consistent blocking, deflecting, parrying, and moving with sideways and vertical momentum of any kind doesn't dramatically raise a chance the blade would miss even if your hand movement and aim is steady and perfect. Instead we got the usual flexible wobbling rapiers that 95% of the time missed a clear easy stab because the blunt tip decided to wobble the blade and point it in another direction. (Most videos only show flexible rapiers anyways, which sucks tbh.)

@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing Жыл бұрын

These can be pretty solid in the bind and have very little wobble, though one can certainly flick with them if they so wish to. Still flexible enough in the thrust as to be safe for fencing.

@otamatonefan8996 Жыл бұрын

@@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing sounds great. Shame i couldn't use that kind to get to put my dexterity and cunning to the fullest test. 7:47 was pretty interesting too. Almost got a double-sided hit on the neck, front and back, but barely missed the grab to push the rapier. (On a side note, this video makes Olympic (floppy) Fencing look goofy and weird.)

@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing Жыл бұрын

@@otamatonefan8996 Thanks, it was an interesting one for sure. I am not sure I would say Olympic is weird but it's decently different. Much lighter weapons and very noticeably different rulesets for the most part.

@DctrBread 8 ай бұрын

nice to see such clear 60fps footage

@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing 8 ай бұрын

Thank you.

@krystofcisar469 5 ай бұрын

some cool ruleset they have there...

@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing 5 ай бұрын

Definitely not my favourite ones tbh, but everything has it's all benefits and downsides

@VNSnake1999 7 ай бұрын

this is SO MUCH COOLER than Olympic fencing !

@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing 7 ай бұрын

Thanks. Though each sport has its own cool factors :)

@evanyes5762 8 ай бұрын

If only HEMA (Historical European Martial Arts) would be in the Olympics, I would watch it.

@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing 8 ай бұрын

It's not very likely that HEMA will join the Olympics anytime soon and there is quite the "movement" against it happening ever. And Olympic fencing isn't a very watched sport anyways.

@JoseAlberto-Jugo 6 ай бұрын

I like the utilitarian aproach, I fence with my jugger team and I find duels with not-completely-familiar weapons, or weapons that none of the participants practice with as their main or secondary choice, to be the most fun. We all use two handed weapons but for some reason using the shortswords for single duels is more fun in a casual setting

@JoseAlberto-Jugo 6 ай бұрын

Great performance as well!!

@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing 6 ай бұрын

Thank you. Yes, sometimes it can be a fun thing to try out something different than the usual stuff we do. Just important to know that I’m such cases why we do is most probably further from what it was supposed to work usuallyx

@yifeiproducer 3 ай бұрын

Hi Angel, I just found your channel, how long/which model is the rapier you are using? I fence sidesword (Kvetun sidesword 3), do you fence similarly with sidesword as well? I see you have a preference towards cutting rather than thrusting.

@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing 3 ай бұрын

Thank you for your comment. In this video we both are using pike armory rapiers, though I have changed it to Sigi rapier for the last year. I do sidesword and rapier almost exclusively only at competitions, as I train mostly arming sword and Longsword outside of that. I am trying to move more into thrusting game as well, as I am a bit too reliant on cuts and specially in rapier they are not optimal a lot of the time.

@slowlancer 19 күн бұрын

Nice actions!! the effect from the accidental beat at last exchange was unexpected! That reminds me sometimes when the sword ran between his/her legs after being beat, the fighter is so doom at that point LOL

@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing 19 күн бұрын

Thank you. Yes, it’s was not an expected outcome but sometimes weird things happen

@owberserker6582 Жыл бұрын

Congrats !

@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing Жыл бұрын

Thank you

@KnightedDawn 2 жыл бұрын

What rapiers did you use? Were they provided by the event?

@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing 2 жыл бұрын

We both use Pike Armory rapiers. They were personal, not provided by the event.

@superiorhema 2 жыл бұрын

Great match! I liked the judging for that, where's that tournament?

@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, glad you liked it. It’s in Belgrade, Serbia.

@05comiti37 2 жыл бұрын

7:59 Love this one lol

@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@VeridicoIV 2 жыл бұрын

Makes me wonder if that's ever happened to a duelist in the past. Now that would be one embarrassing way to go.

@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing 2 жыл бұрын

@@VeridicoIV While I don't recall reading anything like that I would assume it may have happen.

@MasoTrumoi Жыл бұрын

What gloves do you use?

@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing Жыл бұрын

Thokk in this case

@KrisZ-i2q Жыл бұрын

Not much of a rapier fight but a good sidesword play.

@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing Жыл бұрын

Having in mind I train neither rapier nor sidesword - that’s good enough for me

@elliotthoppis6737 Жыл бұрын

literally me the whole time

@TheNobody-qg6vq 5 ай бұрын

Rapier is a cut and thrust weapon.

@josefowitzer 6 ай бұрын

How many years of practice do they have?

@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing 6 ай бұрын

At that moment I have about 10 years of HEMA practice between three other weapons and about 3 competitions and no practice with rapier. My opponent I think had about 7-8 years of practice mostly rapier and sidesword.

@simonphoenix3789 6 ай бұрын

wow, stepping on your own weapon... didn't expect that to be the thing that ended the fight.

@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing 6 ай бұрын

It’s a great example of how anything can happen in a match. Even if one is very good - luck and circumstances can play a part

@saltyfruits3961 10 ай бұрын

What does it mean when he points at you?

@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing 10 ай бұрын

I think he points that he has hit. Haven’t asked him :)

@roynexus6 9 ай бұрын

Judging by the footwork and the cuts, the red armband seems to come from Kendo background.

@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing 9 ай бұрын

Interesting assumption, I wonder why you think that. For clarity - it’s me and I have had a single Kendo training session that was about 10 or so years ago.

@roynexus6 8 ай бұрын

I so your stance fit parallel, facing forward and somewhat on the balls of your feet, plus thrust and cut combinations. My bad, I guess I read too much in to all that.

@josephgora9791 7 ай бұрын

First up, well done to both players. I doubt I'd last long against either of you. I will say though that I find it a bit disappointing that this is so little like rapier in the historical manuals. All cuts and running/aggressive passing attacks with very little lunging. I see more sidesword and even some broadsword methods being used. Of course it may be that this works well in a modern tournament setting. I don't want to say that it is 'worse', and certainly both players are highly skilled (some great use of timing and quick footwork), but I think this discrepancy and the direction of HEMA rapier should lead to further analysis and conversation - if nothing else.

@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing 7 ай бұрын

Thank you for your comment. I have no idea how rapier is supposed to look like and a lot of people have very different opinions on that. For my part I study arming sword and Longsword and only play rapier very occasionally and at competitions.

@josephgora9791 7 ай бұрын

@@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing Thanks for your reply! I'd imagine you are an excellent sidesworder. One of the things I think about is to what extent the mission of HEMA is to reconstruct European martial arts as compared to create a competitive environment where martial skills are tested. I guess the assumption is that these goals will coincide, but there is always the possibility that these two goals will end up in conflict.This is not criticism of your fencing, btw! If people start winning rapier wth sidesword methods then that is something traditional rapierists will have to honestly deal with, and thats where the question of what we are trying to achieve comes to the fore. I suppose from a personal perspective I've been doing this for 33 years and am very curious as to the direction it takes (and has already taken - mostly for the better).

@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing 7 ай бұрын

Not much of a sidesword fencer actually. It seems the semi-complex hilt bugs me a bit compared to the open hilts of the arming sword. At the same time it’s not really protected as the ones of rapiers. For the second part I would say it’s about personal choices and goals. People doing HEMA can have all sorts of ideas of what and why they are doing it. I want to recreate the fencing itself but am in no way focused on the historical teaching methodology. How accurate my interpretation of the sources is unknowable as far as I am concerned. The context of the time period is gone and I only truly have the current one - fence with friends in gear to try to hit them without being hit. That being said I have very little interest in competitions themselves and they were never my goal. Just another place to fence under pressure and with something “to win or lose”.

@josephgora9791 7 ай бұрын

@@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing Fair enough! I work and fence with basket hilts and have often wondered how much of a difference it would be to fence with a simple hilt. I must make one one day (making swords is also a hobby!)