Rare 440 - 6 BBL / Pack Road Runner vs Chevelle SS 396 - 1/4 Mile Drag Race - Road Test TV ®

www.RoadTestTV.com 1/4 mile drag race between a 1969 Plymouth Road Runner with a 390 horsepower 440 6 pack against a 1969 Chevelle SS powered by a 375 horsepower L78 solid lifter 396.
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These rare cars are part of Pure Stock Drags. The cars have to be equipped with Stock Carbs (Jetting ok), Stock Intake Manifold, Cam within 2% of stock specs, Stock Heads, Stock Block - but can bored up to .070 over and use pistons within 1.5 points of stock compression, Stock exhaust manifolds, stock wheels and stock size non-drag tires.
Also, stock transmission (shift kit allowed if automatic). No line lock, No trans brake, No manual valve body, No Torque converter with higher than 2200 rpm stall

[@4406bbldb]

I like to mention that my first job at Chrysler engineering and development was to debug the 4406bbl for 1970 production. I did my work with a smile on my face. ;-)

[@glockguy55]

Yes Don that would make for a very interesting commentary.

[@LoneWolf-yp2mo]

Don Berry, inquiring minds want to know. No answers ?? Are you just dreaming about your dream job ?? Your "first" job at Chrysler ?? Pretty big step if it's for real !!

[@bonkeydollocks1879]

Cool

[@badass6.0powerstroke10]

When you say "debug" what do you mean ? Did the Chrysler factory have a Cockroach problem, where they were getting into the 440 Shortblocks or something ??? Inquiring minds want to know ???

[@wayne8498]

Reminds me of my first job working on the Model T.

[@ChaplainAndyAZ]

Wow that was super close, Nice to see old Mopar's and Real GM's still lighting them up!

[@chevellecamino]

Great race! I was a teenager in the 70s and was lucky enough to have friends with cars like these. It was awesome to ride in them. But I have to admit they were kinda scary fast on the street. Still loved it though!

[@cbzo6]

Incredible times for tires that small.

[@dannyruble5488]

That sure looks like the original size factory rubber... and I am surprised that the race was that close ET wise ... those mopes were good for high twelves pretty much off the lot...

[@dannyruble5488]

Phil Perri There were very few options available on the 6 Pack Rd., Runner that came with the standard lift off fiberglass hood, the Edelbrock three two barrel manifold , Special x 70 series 15 inch Goodyear Polyglas red lines mounted on black wheels with chrome lug nuts. I don’t recall all the details, but it was a car with very few available options. I think that very few dealers ordered most of their cars via customer special orders. Yes a few did Nickey, Tasca and Grand Spaulding being notable exceptions. The car in stock was the car that all sales people pushed. The reasons are many and obvious. In stock means a number on the board, a commission slip, and another number for turn and earn. The flooring stops and the f&i has a victim. Cars in the order bank are great and just a bonus for a sales team.

[@shannonbunch1003]

Road runner had about a 1/2 length on him from the start...that's one of the closet races I've seen ...both those cars are are bad ass!!

[@deeharris7888]

Shannon Bunch stop lieing no you didn't

[@josephm.2856]

MOPAR RULES.....ROADRUNNER WINS FAIR AND SQUARE. MOPAR RULES.

[@julianlohss9356]

I was gonna say that but now I don't have to. You da man.

[@julianlohss9356]

both

[@dannyruble5488]

That Chevy lost at the green ; to the green. Nice race. Six hundreds is not that close .. years ago I remember national MOV In sanctioned racing was around fifty thousands...

[@ColdWarVet607]

Born in '55, I grew up in the Hot Rod & Muscle Car days, when it was the job of the back wheels to lift the front wheels off the ground. Great cars, great race, great memories, great video, thank you brother.

[@bgjb-r1499]

No car in 1969 off the show room floor was turning 12 second times unless they were modified. Whether it’s tires, rear gearing or hi-rev Torque converter these cars are not stock.

[@milojanis4901]

Except for ZL1/L88 Corvettes, COPO/Yenko cars, Buick GS 455 Stage IIs, and tuned 426 HEMI equipped anything.

[@billmay7364]

Both Classics ... Love them both ... When Cars were Individual and had There own Unique Character... They both bring it to the Table...

[@ctrlaltdeskeet1436]

Wow, he won with skinny tires like that? I love my Chevys but every since I was a kid and had gotten a Richard Petty Roadrunner that was sky blue with STP all over it I've always loved the roadrunner.

[@stevethomas760]

One of my best buds in high school had one of the first Road Runners in Atlanta. Surprised the horn lasted with all of the people wanting to hear the "beep beep". It wasn't slow by any means in a 1/4 mile but really showed off on top end.

[@davidkeeton6716]

Should have been close to 140 or so with 3.23 gears. My 70 Fury 440 police pursuit was good for around 145. To think I used to do that on bias ply tires.

[@terribleTed-ln6cm]

Two of the best legendary engine's ever built going head to head ....brings back a lot of memories.

[@ericochoa4271]

they're both winners in my eyes

[@patrickmcgrath5411]

IT'S TOO BAD YOU'RE BLIND..."BEEP BEEP YOUR ASS"😎

[@krmhayes2893]

yes. Both are fantastic cars. I had a small block 69 Chevelle, a 383 Roadrunner , and a 6 pack 69 Super Bee. Would kill to have any of them right now.

[@milojanis4901]

My 2 sons, and I, were at the track that day. This was a HELLUVA good race!!!

[@pmurphy5948]

there's just something special about taking literally only what the factory gives us, and making them drop low 12 second passes. Awesome job by both drivers!

[@daddo2413]

I had the 69 GTX version when I was a kid. It was second hand from a VP at Chrysler and had every factory option. Electric windows, A/C, 8 track player. Best car on the planet. Wish I had stored it and not burned the wheels off.

[@seeharvester]

You did the right thing. Had fun while you were young.

[@bonkeydollocks1879]

I wish modern cars were this sexy

[@4406bbldb]

Yeah the big three only had about 3 foreign competitors in 1969. Today we often buy foreign from about 15 competitors, buy American matters. Right?

[@bonkeydollocks1879]

@@4406bbldb we never had stuff like this in the UK to choose from, especially in the 60s and 70s, yes we had jaguar E types etc but even back then we had a lot of French and German and Japanese to choose from. All modern stuff leaves me cold

[@4406bbldb]

@@bonkeydollocks1879 you had lots of great cars. Have you heard of the "gray market" car importing to the USA from Europe? Best in the 90s. I got lots of cars that weren't US models and had to convert them to American emissions and safety standards. I sure had a good time with those cars. 930s probably my favorite. So many really cool Euro spec. Have a great day.

[@loilt5091]

That Chevelle was my exact, first car, down to it's colour...very cool video, thanks. I grew up at the drag races, when my uncle took me, in '69, seeing Don "The Snake" Prudhomme. Needless to say, I was hooked, becoming a regular till our local track closed in the early '80's. Precious times and memories!!

[@tomelmore8431]

Chevelle driver got slow off the line! I loved those cars - BOTH of 'em! I lived that time and it was all never better!

[@TwoPair72]

Old school heavy cars running that fast in the 1/4. Goes to show how underrated the horse power numbers are.

[@4406bbldb]

I don't know what fuel they're running but these beauties were developed with high octane Leaded gas. Maybe 103 octane but i forget exactly. I bet these aren't running straight No lead. Curious and curiouser. :-) fun to think about.

[@DeltaBadeMaker]

I'm having a hard time believing these cars are anywhere near stock. Both were faster than a brand new mustang gt with more power, absolutely superior transmission, launch control, and about the same if not less weight. Not to mention they used gross hp back then, measured without any accessories or exhaust on the motor

[@sbgken]

They’re really around the same weight as modern muscle cars because they don’t have all the technology and extra weight

[@SealofPerfection]

@@DeltaBadeMaker They're stock. Very well tuned, but stock. Old cars could really be brought to life with some fine tuning. Right off the showroom floor, they were hit or miss.

[@jameskester7745]

@@SealofPerfection that a newer cars weight a lot more, just today I found out a scat challenger weights 4,400lbs! Holy crap, no wonder my 3,200lb 95 mustang is so quick lol

[@King-qv1pd]

Should of done a 1970 SS Chevelle LS6 454 against that Road runner! That would be an amazing race.

[@erikislas6201]

Steve The Man: No, it wouldn't. If it barely beat a small big block Chevy, what makes you think it would be a good race agsinst the King of The Hill?

[@sputnikalgrim]

Omg that Plymouth gives me car wood. That is in fact my dream car.

[@ssimon64]

Look at that 396 torque that rear axle during the burnout. What a monster!

[@samsonreynolds3728]

That was really fast for a 396 but just a little better than average for the 440+6

[@joeboden8898]

Love that 396 awesome engine "

[@dannychavez310]

The ol shovel were great cars. Just heavy , road runner was a light car for its size , my best buddy had a 70 396 chevelle I had a 70 383 road runner we had a good time racing until the wreck.

[@ragimundvonwallat8961]

that 69 mach 1 with the 390 went home sad and alone even after the win as i understand =P

[@MrJunktrunker]

My first car was a 69 Chevelle SS396 same specs as above back in 1974. Went to strip mall on Saturday nights to run and I can tell you every muscle car ever made showed up sooner or later and mopar was top any time they showed. There were two Hemi Cudas a 70 and a71 and one Roadrunner like above and, I'm not sure about this but I believe a GTX as well. Any one of the above showed up the rest of us were scrambling for second.

[@gregatkinson7276]

YES! I was hoping for the RR!

[@jameshardin1100]

Close enough that a lane change or another run could even it up to 1 and 1.

[@kevinharrissr5255]

Love Chevy but if I had the choice to own, I'm taking mopar. Love the color scheme and those red wall tires. Sweet

[@ashes2ashes863]

I'm more of a GM guy myself, but that was a gorgeous mopar. That green color pops in the sun.

[@loilt5091]

I'm a Chevy guy, but gravitated towards the Mopars as a kid...they had those great colour schemes!

[@leecrt967]

That was close. A lot closer, and a lot quicker than I thought BOTH cars would be. Especially with that rubber.

[@milojanis4901]

What the vast majority of race fans don't realize is this: Even though the tires are bias ply, and are the OEM stock size, I was told by one of the racers that the COMPOUND itself is the key. It's a very soft, sticky, drag type rubber. This kinda clears up why these cars hook so well.......

[@dominicsosa7405]

Any 1970 Pontiac..400...out there I love these old cars ....my neighbor was a retired gm engineer he had 15 classic muscle cars all makes...

[@jimdavis581]

Seems like everyone has forgot about the 64 Plymouth street wedge 426. It had hydraulic tappets, 10.3 CR and was rated at 365 HP.

[@HoosierRooster]

jim davis my uncle's 63 Fury was a factory MaxWedge 426,push button,cross ram with factory dumps....3.91 gears very fast...409's had no chance....the other fast car of that era was the 421 ad Pontiac....everything else was fighting to stay out of last place...

[@eddiejames1847]

@@HoosierRooster - And then came along the '64 Thunderbolt that kicked the crap out of factory Chrysler and GM cars.

[@lewisshepard9239]

Eddie James wasn't street legal.

[@USCG.Brennan]

@@eddiejames1847 Ya....that was a VERY rare and VERY SPECIAL and LIMITED production car. Let's compare Apples with Apples here....OK?

[@badass6.0powerstroke10]

@@eddiejames1847 Hell Yeah That 427 Beast

[@peterkay908]

I love your videos Thanks for posting them up

[@Tusuperbis]

These two cars were built for the FAST series I believe? Factory Appearing Stock Tire. Both have waaay more cubic inches than advertised. Everything is worked over, transmission, torque converter, and no doubt 4.56 gears. They also have a stock series too, I believe it's called purestockmusclecardragrace. I use yo go these races every year until in ohio until they moved them to new York and now michigan. They run factory repop tires that are damn near slicks and they air the tires way up for those belted radials. That's how they hook up so good. The camshaft are all custom grind to take away some low end torque also so they can help with getting off the line. All these cars and their owners are awesome! I use to talk to them every year.

[@67stingray1]

Great video. Great race. Love 60's muscle cars. Keep them coming.

[@ScottParisi]

Great race. 69 Chevelle SS 396, 4MT, is on my dream car list. With factory AC.

[@slantsix6344]

Love those built for business Roadrunners.

[@gregallen9065]

Great race. Those 396's are often overlooked for the 427 and 454's but they were definitely under rated. Like that 440 with a six pack though. The 426 Hemi was a cranky motor and took a lot of maintenance on the street whereas a 440 would often beat a 426 at the stop light to stop light encounters on the street. I have always preferred the big inch 455 HO and SD of pontiac fame but also like the 455 stage one Buick with its monsterous low end torque. Still, I am a torque junkie at heart so I am jaded. I like the hole shot and often, a 1/4 mile winner will get its butt beat by the same car it beat at the track in a stop light to stop light encounter. Losing the hole shot then reeling a car end on the last half of the quarter mile is impressive but not practical on the streets. Unless you are racing on the highway....then that changes things. I once had a 1973 Trans Am with a built 455 that I stuck a 2.56 positraction rear end into out of a 1975'ish Trans Am....yes, you could actually get that rear end if you special ordered it in 1975 for your 400 ci trans am....lol. Even with the monster low end torque of that 455 it really suffered on the take off.....BUT on the highway.....with that turbohydramatic 3 speed transmission.....and stock stall......on the highway I could look over at you at 70mph and wave bye bye and walk off and leave you even if you were in a sports car. I ran a Jaguar something or another once with that Trans Am with that ridiculous rear gear and we were neck to neck up to around 150mph one night on a deserted stretch of highway.....I had a little more left but I backed off since I was not that trusting of my tires above that speed. That Jag kept going and walked on away from me and he must have been doing 160 or more. I just let completely off of it and coasted back down to 70mph.....lol. No overdrive back in those days....lol. At least not in US cars. Still, going that fast on a public highway....even at night with no other traffic was beyond stupid and I see that now. Just stupid shit we do when we are young and dumb. I just take my shit to the track if I want to see what it will truly do these days.......and as far as top end...well, I would find some closed track to do that at vs doing it on a highway or country road. Just waaaay too much stuff could go horribly wrong at 150 or better mph. Shit, I knew a guy that hit a cow once out it the country and he was not even speeding....just going about 60mph and came over a hill and BAM! COW! MOOOOOOO! Crash! LOL Luckily he was in a full framed car....a 1987 G body Buick Regal....still tore the shit out of his car and critically wounded the poor cow. Yep, just way too much shit to go wrong on the street going at high speeds. Even the stop light to stop light wars...while fun....are not if you get a nice drag racing ticket. I was lucky and worst I ever got was excessive acceleration once. NOPE....test and tune night at a local track for me.....may only get in three runs if I am lucky but at least it is controlled and somewhat safe.....somewhat.....lol. Shit...got off on a tangent there. These cars are both nice and I would like to drive either one of them for a blast down the 1/4 mile.

[@robertmetzger6467]

I Think You Get the Grand Prize for longest Comment !! Lololol Very Well Said.

[@ibleebinU]

Wow! Almost dead heat. Respect. Both great straight line machines.

[@kevinhoffman6592]

both with excellent likes body style on old Chevy but I do like them Mopar motors . both ran almost perfect race can't get much better than that . had a 70 road runner . n I just thought it was fierce looking with mag wheels all around .

[@jrg7951]

The tires on the Chevelle looked wider and modern compared to the skinny stock tires on the Roadrunner.

[@sbckev2287]

Love how the front raises up when doing a burnout

[@jeremythompson9895]

Also love to see a 66 Plymouth Hemi Belvedere vs a 66 Ford Fairlane R-Code 427. Both with 4 speed tranny's and a similar rear end ratio

[@sdbroncrider]

in the spring of 1969 my father went to work as the mechanic on a large uranium dirt spread. For the family car he bought a 1969 chevelle ss blue/black vinyl top with 4 speed and 425 horse factory aluminm head 396. The dirt spread boss had a nephew with a big block 1968 ford mustang and it would not touch the chevelle so, he went and traded his mustang for a 1969 dodge r/t charger 4 speed 440 six pack car. My father says that the only way you could determine the winner when the chevelle and charger run was who got off the line first.

[@markg7030]

In 69 the aluminum head 396 was rated at 375 not 425.

[@Tusuperbis]

@@markg7030 that's correct! Significant weight loss though on the nose of the chevelle with those L89 code aluminum heads! Awesome!

[@MrUltraworld]

That was a great race.

[@efrainlagunes8855]

Indeed cx

[@billybob1723]

Nice and close. Doesn't get any better.

[@josephsanchez6372]

69 Road Runner is my favorite car!!!

[@matrox]

Thank you, I used to have one.

[@dukeman7595]

No, No, 1966, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72 Big block Chevelle SS were the best cars ever made. They ate mopars up, w/ the right driver and some tweaking they were unbeatable. Mainly because the vast amount of ad on parts available. The mopar didn't have the same luxury during that time period..

[@vanceoverstreet4182]

Orange in color

[@jasoncentore1830]

Mom n Dad drove me home from hospital in one, just born, that was my first ride

[@bptak3003]

Wow I was shocked those road runners are huge and heavy shocked bye that time niceee

[@coryholbrook4643]

What a fantastic matchup!

[@mikeyerke3920]

Came to the comment section for the “know it alls.” Wasn’t disappointed.

[@MrAristes]

Ha ha, I know right? Why can't people just enjoy the video? I love seeing "old timers" act like today's Honda fanboys and show their bias towards a particular make.

[@SPCLPONY]

Glad I'm not the only one who notices this phenomenon. Geez, I like muscle cars.... all of the makes. What's so bad about that?

[@SPCLPONY]

@Travis Bickle Well, you're right, I like the ones you mentioned as well. Had a 74 Plymouth Duster and a 68 Dodge Dart while in high school. Both had the 225 slant six banger. Still fun cars when you're a teenager. Also used to tool around in my Grams 68 Chrysler Newport Custom with the 383. Dang it was fast for a boat of a car!

[@woodsmanghost4081]

What do you want to know ? I know exactly everything under the sun , lol If it’s old I love it no matter the make

[@sharp3552]

Mike Yerke...Right, the comment section never disappoints!!

[@greggarner4477]

Both cars are AWESOME!!

[@RobertSmith-wc1df]

Great race, fantastic matchup

[@nukkastyle]

Wow Great race!!

[@venuztaurus6ix]

man it's those torque thats giving these mid 300 low 12sec..thats insane..granted people like me but more thought to high end speed before 12sec number..its mad impressive

[@shenaniganguy]

A co-worker had a 440-6 Pack Road Runner. I smoked him every time with my '70 Trans Am. 400 Ram Air III. 😁 Good times!

[@ottoandhanzblack2175]

I had a 69 dodge dart with a 340 automatic, set of hooked headers, and an edelbrock manifold with a Carter 4 barrel carb. No 400 firebird could stay with me.

[@shenaniganguy]

I would have had to back off to stay with you.

[@bandpassmess]

The pissing contest before the race was epic 💨 💨💨💨💨

[@benjiarehart2878]

Love both cars, but I'd rather have that Road Runner.

[@matrox]

All those cars had traction issues coming off the line. I bet both of them feathered the throttle off the line until they had good solid traction. I had to do that my 383 RoadRunner or else I would leave a 15ft patch of rubber.

[@SavageSpeedNation]

Cool roadrunner. We are building one for the track too!

[@71superbee39]

way to go, cousin ...

[@buzzwaldron6195]

Chevy rated that same 375 HP 396" solid lifter engine at 425 HP a couple years earlier in the Corvette... (there were also milder, hydraulic lifter 325 HP and 350 HP rated 396's)... so it's not surprising it would run similar to a 390 HP (actually about 415 HP) 440" engine... when both have exhaust headers...

[@mfnbigdaddy73]

Wrong the higher HP 396 was actually a 402 ci engine, and would have beat this 440 Six Pack.

[@BuzzLOLOL]

Wrong, HP and cubic inch size are different things on 396's... the 425 HP 396 was the earliest 396" engine and lacked the torque of the 440 Six Pack engine... They were 396" from 1965 to 1968, then quietly enlarged to 402", but still called 396...

[@Tusuperbis]

For some reason, that 1965 corvette with the 396/425 was only available that year in the vette. Nothing else? In 1966, the 427 came out in the vette. Why didn't GM brass allocate that 396/425 to at least the camaro, chevelle, and impala? I'd love to talk to some of the old guys that were in charge of these respective departments. I'd say they would have some cool stories as to why they did what they did!

[@greggarner4477]

Now that's a race!

[@txrick4879]

Both cars are way cool to have.

[@briancenti5423]

there is something so beautiful about the older muscle cars, maybe it's there character, but they are so hot looking...do you guys have any with a SD-455 trans-am or formula coming up ?????

[@roadtesttv]

455 Super Duty Trans Am video coming... Thanks again for Watching, Brian!

[@1893marlin]

Road Test TV Can't wait my brother had a 73 SD455 back in the day ran it on Woodward, it was the only car he ever beat my Camaro with.

[@briancenti5423]

1893marlin they already tested it, it is on here...gorgeous red '74 i believe...your brother owned one of my dream cars..red '73 SD 455 is what both my wife and i want :)

[@1893marlin]

brian centi The 73 was faster than the 74 as it had a few more HP and it was a 4 speed if I remember they only build a couple hundred like his.

[@briancenti5423]

1893marlin it was said that they all had 290hp instead of the advertised 310hp...i'm not truly sold on that, as it ran low-mid 13's stock on stock tires...that was a sure case by GM to undermine what pontiac was trying to do...one of my dream cars ; red '73 SD :)

[@ITRIEDEL]

Extra cubes came in handy! Haha

[@kiefferdavis3784]

No Substitute for C.I.D. LOL.

[@daveaaron8209]

Wow! 440 barely edged out the 396! I figured it would win but it was damn close! Pretty much a drivers race.

[@dakotase]

Most of the time it is a drivers race.

[@Tusuperbis]

Both cars far from stock bit, stupid fast! Beautiful, both of them!

[@MrJones-ue2tw]

if that road runner was anymore green I'd smoke it

[@williamdouglass7864]

Neither one of those cars would turn 12 seconds in the day they were 13 second cars the Chevelle would have been about a 14 or 15 second car amazing what modern technology can do

[@milojanis4901]

There is absolutely no way an L78 Chevelle is a 15 second car!!! WOW......Don't know what you're smokin', but ya got any left??

[@williamdouglass7864]

I used to raise those cars back in the day yes they were 14 seconds that was about what you got out of a stock chevelyet of a stock chavelle they were nothing special

[@leorowen9404]

Anyone here notice the skinny street tires on the Road Runner? You think that would have a liittllee bit of a difference on how hard the RR could launch? Skinny streets against fat meats? Nah. LOL. Mopar baby!

[@leorowen9404]

Look closer, the rear tires on the chevy are wider, and the tires on the RR are skinnier. That's now they came stock. You can not fit the same width tires on both cars. Mopars need to be tubbed more often than chevies.

[@milojanis4901]

@@leorowen9404 Who's fault is that-MOPARS!!!

[@antilaw9911]

Im an experienced Mopar engine builder. The 440 is a great engine. The only drawback is the standard (B) series heads. They breathe great on a 383 but limit the upper RPM capabilty on a 440. More lift and bowl work really wakes them up. Many here are purists and keep these engines stock including that very docile grocery getter cam.

[@coreyjenkins3056]

Gotta respect the Hemi!!! -ChevyAllDay-🤜🏿🤛🏿

[@user-hu7en6ur9g]

i had a 69RR 440 3 duces when i bought it. 353 dana rear. i took out the 3 two barrels and put a holley 950 3barrel with a tracheolar manifold. never met a chevy that could top it on the street.

[@richardbailey7558]

2 of my favorite cars

[@blackwaterdogs4256]

I also don`t think that those cars were stock....with vehicles of that weight (approx. 3300-3400 lbs.), you would need around 450 RWHP to generate those trap speeds. Both cars are definitely bad ass, though !

[@beardedbabyteenagejesus8431]

usual story, Mopar BBody takes the cake, complete with candles and icing

[@mfnbigdaddy73]

Reaction time is what won this. Fanboys are so immature...smh

[@UnderConstructionejab]

You didn't swear at this guy, you're a coward.

[@erikislas6201]

440 v. 396, and barely made it to the line before the smaller motor. Wow!!!

[@johndeeregreen4592]

@@mfnbigdaddy73, the difference between reaction times and ETs was so minuscule, for sure. You could run 10 races with these cars and couldn't predict which would win, for sure... they are so evenly matched, it's not even funny.

[@dakotase]

@@mfnbigdaddy73 Yes you are immature.

[@SealofPerfection]

That's about as even as it gets. .06 difference in ET and same MPH. That little 396 keeps giving these bigger motors a very hard time.

[@johnwilkerson2195]

I'm a Mopar man my first car was a 71' Plymouth Valiant

[@milojanis4901]

Poor bastard...

[@Don.E.63]

Man what a race, gotta hand it to the 396 for hanging in like it did! No replacement for displacement.

[@jeremythompson9895]

I'd love to see a 70 Hemi Roadrunner vs a 70 LS6 Chevelle. I'd take the Roadrunner just because I'm a Mopar/Ford guy

[@jeremythompson9122]

I love both of these cars but if I had to choose between them...im taking the Roadrunner every time. Kinda funny I'm a Ford guy but my absolute favorite classic muscle cars are all mostly Mopars. Ford always seemed to be a little behind Mopar and GM in those days as far as performance on the street went...although Ford had tons of success in every type of racing there was back then

[@antilaw9911]

Those 427 FE 2x4 engines were no joke! Badass engine!

[@aubreywhaley1350]

Interesting enough the Mopar didn't do much damage at all bigger motor more hp lol the smaller Chevy hp and cubes stilllllll hung with the big Mo. Lol funny as heck. Both are beautiful machines lets give them both street cred

[@aubreywhaley1350]

Thank you Road Test I'd be happy to join you all but both of my 66 Chevelles were stolen from me. One by the City of Dallas tow service and the other by angry ex girlfriend lol as I went to college of hard knox lol. But hey I would even settle for just a frame n body no engine or trans thats how much I love the iron. Well it symbolized my twin and I in which she died both born on 6th of Feb(66) and the love of the Malibu

[@1967davethewave]

The 396 has much bigger heads therefore it would actually make more horsepower. It also has a much bigger cam. The 440's advantage should be torque but based on the close mph both engines were making similar horsepower. This is odd.

[@dinojay8410]

@@1967davethewave ... also depends on the rear gears which we don't have any info here.

[@OxBlitzkriegxO]

youre comparing a solid lifter engine with a hydraulic lifter engine, dont be stupid. even though its smaller, the 396 (402) L78 had a SIGNIFICANTLY larger cam. L78 Cam specs: 242/242 @ 0.050 and .496/.492 lift on a 114 LSA 440+6 Cam specs: 208/220 @ 0.050 and .450/.458 lift on a 113 LSA not only does the L78 cam have WAAAAY more duration and lift, it also has MUCH steeper ramps because its a solid cam.

[@dannychavez310]

I owned a 1967 chevelle 396 4 speed and a 1970 383 4speed roadrunner in 1973 ,74 loved them both but the Chevy was to heavy to run against the the Plymouth, just my 2.

[@allenbackstrom8649]

I am a big mopar fan, but44 more cubes and two more barrels and only a car length?

[@jeremythompson9122]

The 396/375 had 11.0:1 compression and a solid lifter cam...the 440+6 had 10.5:1 compression and hydraulic lifters. That probably explains the closeness in power despite the difference in cubic inches. The Mopar 440 had better street manners than the 396/375 did. Up the compression and slide a solid cam in that 440 and it'll smoke that 396 every single time. GM built the nicest cars overall and generally had better styling... but Mopar definitely built the best high performance drivelines back then. Mopar or No car!!!

[@herman452]

@@jeremythompson9122 The 396/375 also had better flowing heads, with 2.19 intake valves vs. 2.08 in the 440+6. And to elaborate on the cam, the 396/375 solid lifter cam had .520 lift, vs. the .450/.465 lift hydraulic cam in the 440

[@milojanis4901]

@@jeremythompson9122 It SHOULD, ferchrissakes!!! It's a bigger motor. In NHRA racing, these 2 cars would be in 2 different classes. The Mopar would hafta spot the Chevelle a good half second......

[@davegeisler7802]

Two top second tier mills L78 & 440-6 pack

[@roadtesttv]

Agree 100%. Thanks for watching !!

[@hm12460]

2 of the best from the 60's.

[@MoparViking70]

Rad, kudos to the Chevelle for having less displacement and less carburetion (if stock) and being super close.

[@proofbox]

Back in the day ran a 1970 SS 454 Chevelle against my 1970 Charger R/T 440 Magnum at Oswego drag strip in the Chicago area the Charger was a 375 HP 490 torque with 3.23 posi rear end not sure what the Chevelle had but at the start both seemed pretty equal but at the high end I drove past him the times were 14.12 for me and 14.46 for the Chevy indicating that the Mopar engines were stronger at the high end.

[@milojanis4901]

There were several power levels on a stock 454. There's no way a stock LS6 Chevelle was turning mid 14s. Unless it had 300,000 miles on it, or was running a 2.56 gear with an auto trans, or BOTH!!! Even a 390hp LS5 shoulda run VERY low 14s, at LEAST.....

[@91Wildcat700]

mopar or no car gotta love penta power still a good race by the chevelle

[@badass6.0powerstroke10]

Mopar Don't Go Far !

[@1967davethewave]

@@badass6.0powerstroke10 LOL, that from someone with 6.0 Powerstroke in their name!!!! I know, I know, "Them 6.0s is purdy good if you put in head studs and fix the oiling system and put in better head gaskets and..." LMAO!!!

[@badass6.0powerstroke10]

@@1967davethewave Yeah you right, and, and, and.

[@1967davethewave]

@@badass6.0powerstroke10 I've worked on 6.0's since they came out and then 6.4's and now 6.7s. If something isn't going to go far it's the 6.0's or 6.4's and since I drive a '70 Challenger R/T to work a lot that has it's original 383 that has never been apart I'd say it's better engine for the money. But what do I know, my Duramax is on it's 3rd set of injectors.

[@badass6.0powerstroke10]

@@1967davethewave i wish i can daily drive my Mustang, but since it's FORD Powered, little too much 86 Fox Body with 521 Stroked BBF N/A through a 1000cfm 4150, Out of the Box Trickflow Street/Strip Heads, Solid Roller, C-4 Auto No Brake, 8" Converter, 8.8 with 3.90 Gears, Low to Mid Nines on 275/60 Drag Radials, was doing that 10 Years Ago. Would like to single Turbo, but my Powerstroke taking most of my Money, but it did put down 572 hp 1016 Ft Lbs.

[@bobsilver3983]

close race

[@korndawggy1801]

Bob Silver it was definitely closer than I thought it would be.

[@daleandrews367]

SIX HUNDRETHS of a second to be exact at virtually the same mph! That's as close a race as any I think I've ever seen.

[@bluesman1063]

And the 440-6 has 44cid over the 396. Me personally I love all old muscle cars no matter what make. Pure Class.

[@MrTriggerman79]

With those times I don't think either of these cars were stock. I'd like to see bone stock muscle cars go at it.

[@70stunes71]

Ryan Thomas yeah I'm a die-hard Dodge guy. However just listening to the idle of the 440 in the initial transition up, that cam is not stock. 440 6-pack cam profiles would never have put that large of a note in the exhaust. They were actually a lot more modest. The cam sounds more like a Mopar purple shaft grind around 484 hydraulic maybe even The Next Step Up. I like what one of the Chevrolet fellows commented also the same as you, the cars are not stock. Power to weight ratio and then look at the ET. Doesn't fit. I went back and looked at some of the original times posted from the manufacturers, from some of the more respected magazines. Ford GM and Chrysler all underrated their engines. They all made great vehicles. But when will we get to see an honest all stock run? LOL I don't think we will ever see it on here ha ha ha ha ha

[@donjennings9034]

That big RR needed every bit of hp advantage.

[@dubdoodle7191]

If it was a 340 Gremlin vs 350 Vega - that would have been something to see !

[@franksieber7659]

Lets try the 70 LS6 454.

[@roadtesttv]

@Frank Sieber Hi Frank, there were no 1970 LS6 Corvette’s built... only Chevelle’s came with the LS6 in 1970. 1971 couldn’t get a Chevelle with an LS6, only a Corvette.

[@phillipbassett8397]

Lets try a hemi cuda. Or we can go aftermarket and go hurst hemi dart vs copo 😚

[@michelecope3084]

then let's go zl1 69 camaro. nuff said

[@phillipbassett8397]

@@michelecope3084 You do know Dodge was running factory Polaras in the low 13's in 1963 right? Or do you not remember Dodge dominating back then 😛. Chevy never made a car to keep up with cobras n dodges in the long run.

[@ssimon64]

Let's try a Ford with a 427 SOHC. That'll blow the doors off your Hemicudas and Zl1 Camaros.

[@russellmooneyham3334]

Good match. I'd bet that 10 runs would produce 5 wins for each.

[@jeremythompson9122]

Depends on driver skill, transmission type, rear axle ratios, and even the weather. I love both cars but I'm taking the Roadrunner every time

[@milojanis4901]

@@jeremythompson9122 Go ahead, take that Roadrunner....as far away, and as quickly as possible!!

[@yavin99]

I wonder what dif was in them.

[@darcmadr6500]

Those were the days. ET 14's were celebrated, ET 13's and you never bot a drink in a week, close to 12 you were a god.

[@malcolmmeer9761]

What is the hp/weight ratio of both I thought the RR was a good bit heavier

[@superspider2016]

I'm going there in a few weeks. Lol. What's all guna be there?

[@Fubarfighter]

Surprised it was so close. At bone stock, the mopar has lots more torque. But those 6-paks were tricky to tune. Hot Rod had a Charger in 1969 when they first came out and they barely got it out of the 15's

[@MoParRus340]

Haven’t watched it yet but already know the outcome IF these two cars are stock. Shoot, in 72 my bone stock 68 340 GTS Dart was eating 396 Chevelles and El Caminos. And not by a fender, by a couple car lengths.