Rare Breed C & D Letter | What Happened And Moving Forward

[@christineharris9183]

Everyone here is going to lose ATF is not going to let you peopl have these triggers quit buying something that you are not going to be able to keep.

[@paulallen-01]

Or, you and the ATF could mind your own business and let people people live their lives. What part of “shall not be infringed” is confusing to you?

[@CCNB04]

😂😂 So we are not going to be allowed to keep a legal semi auto trigger? Shall not be infringed!

[@nosteppyfirearms]

Pin of cringe lol

[@ahmctech104]

You really believe that, don’t you? Bless your heart.

[@folkishappalachian6827]

Cvnt, didn't ask don't care

[@iammattbennett]

This situation could have been entirely avoided if the ATF didn't exist. We'll handled though.

[@berns_pratt]

No way. This is all about patents and $$ and "Stay in your lane, Hoffman." Rare Breed would still be suing even if there was no controversy at the ATF whether or not a forced reset trigger is a machine gun. Fuck Rare Breed.

[@Trumplican]

@@berns_pratt agreed

[@aft1567]

@@berns_pratt rare breed is fighting the atf, show some fucking respect. bdu is all for money, and you're more mad than hoffman is

[@kylescally5752]

@@berns_pratt I disagree. There are people who love 2a and rbt is spending millions so we can have fun toys. How can you say this is about $$? If they were really money grubs, they’d have given up and said fuck fighting.

[@johnandrews9433]

@@kylescally5752 it’s 100% money motivated considering this is about patents lol

[@RenoMay]

Glad to hear your side of all of this!

[@johnbrenot2538]

This is why I DL right away, I learned my lesson after Brandon Herrera had to take down the Kenosha Kid video. Get it before the butthurt.

[@Anon-greyman]

Reno you're exactly who I wanted to read this comment. I think it's suspicious how hard-core the FRT team is about their patent... I mean, don't you think it's a little weird for a company making a Grey area item to want to be the only one so that their customers are the biggest demo of people who WILL have one if they become actually illegal.. if rare breed just allowed other company's to manufacture similar items, then it could potentially make it impossible to ban them because they would be readily available and common. It just is continuing to feel like this is like a "fast and furious" type honey pot, "give them this thing that's almost illegal so we can catch them using it illegally"..

[@Anon-greyman]

I hope the FRT-15 team isn't feds .....

[@rookshaw4974]

At the end of the day, it comes down to the 2A community. What's best for the whole? Inner turmoil and division isn't what the community needs, and Rare Breed has a lot on their plate. I appreciate this take.

[@berns_pratt]

Rare Breed piled their plate full all by themselves. They have no sympathy from me. If they didn't want to fight a multi-front war, they shouldn't have started beef with everyone.

[@rookshaw4974]

@@berns_pratt That's a pretty dumb take, bud. For all the reasons I mentioned that you probably didn't read because you didn't get past the first sentence.

[@mrschnider6521]

lawrence was pretty nice of him not to sue him for doing this and releasing those files.

[@djl5634]

@@rookshaw4974 rare breed didn't invent frt tech. And they don't have a patent as it's pending

[@rookshaw4974]

@@djl5634 right. They've applied for a patent. Which means they can take legal action just like if it had been approved. Regardless, that isn't the point.

[@pubertjones8093]

Thanks for presenting rare breed's point of view, so many people were getting angry, i didn't know what to think.

[@nickstarks22]

Thank you for everything you do. Keep transmitting the signal. Once it's out there it can't be stopped!

[@HoffmanTactical]

Very true. No one can stop the signal!

[@This_is_my_real_name]

@@HoffmanTactical -- *_No one can stop the signal!_* And therefore, the ONLY "solution" will be to prohibit the ownership of ALL semiauto firearms, now that it's been shown that they can be converted into "a machinegun by any name" by anyone with a cheap 3D printer. "Thank you for your service," says Bloomberg and the rest of the gang.

[@squirlboy250]

@@This_is_my_real_name Not going to happen LOL

[@This_is_my_real_name]

@@squirlboy250 -- *_Not going to happen LOL_* Of _course_ not, child. Just as NO ONE will _ever_ get busted -- let alone even _raided_ -- for the _Totally_ NOT a machinegun bullet-hoses! LOL? Nope. LMAO. At you, little naif. At _you._ But hey, keep whistling past the graveyard. And don't forget to put on your _best_ Tinkerbell frilly frock as you sing, "When you wish, upon a star..."

[@kingofbrutaltheocracy9201]

@@This_is_my_real_name Fear is the killer of the mind. The legions of fudds like yourself, dissemination fear, is more destructive than the atf or any government policy. You want to hide in a hole? Fine, coward. Now, quit interrupting the men.

[@ishnifusmeadle]

Wish I had half this kids energy and enthusiasm.....very intelligent views and glad you've put ur opinion out there.

[@_GlockComa]

What's up bro. Thanks for keeping us updated, and keep making great stuff!

[@nosteppyfirearms]

I had taken the stance of fuck rare breed. But I can see now that their legal team put them in a sticky spot and I think everyone tried their best to resolve the situation. Glad you guys were able to talk it out and and I can’t wait for your new designs!

[@randytrivitt6539]

Either way I see it these companies need to unite and fight tyrannical tyranny and they unconstitutional agency created by political Dictators!! For we the people!! We all have jobs that they want to take from us!! The United States has no room for tyrannical dictators or a‼️ Unconstitutional Oath breaking agency

[@berns_pratt]

Nope, not buying Rare Breed's half-hearted apology. They bullied Hoffman and got what they wanted - Hoffman will not share the files nor continue development in this area. What we're hearing now if just PR spin. I ain't putting down my pitchfork. Fuck Rare Breed. Fuck 'em hard!

[@mrschnider6521]

If you invested millions of dollars into starting a company filing patents and fighting the atf wouldnt you want to atleast get have a few years where people couildnt copy your idea? This is america not china man. the guy deserves to be rewarded and feed his family, you morons have no idea what it means to innovate or engineer anything. Companies need these patentets to recoup their costs otherwise someone bigger could just make a complete copy of the product make it cheaper and the guy who put in the work goes bankrupt. What is wrong with what rare breed did? They are bringing us an amazing product . there is nothing wrong with what he did people are wrong for wanting to steal his property and distribute it for free. Im shocked you cant understand that...

[@chloedemeter5473]

Fuck Rare Breed. They just want to corner a market that only exists due to infringement. Notice they aren't pushing for legal unregulated full auto. Just defending their cash grab. They don't want the regulation to go away. It's the only reason they can get paid.

[@BigDeezol]

naw fuck RB.....they knew exactly what they were doing. They just trying to save face by not looking like the devil......greed is the source of all of this.......there are NO successful nice guys in business.

[@thomasdarnall7064]

Great explanation. People like this are who we need on the front lines against the atf.

[@TSpencerWise]

a fair and cogent summary of Rare Breed's position. I'm glad you're handling this with such poise, in contrast to some of the comments I've seen from others in the community. smart stuff.

[@dr.threatening8622]

Was thinking the same thing, I'm impressed.

[@sheldoniusRex]

I do actually think Rare Breed has a point about the fear of setting a precedent in Federal court concerning the title three regulation of their product. I'm glad you and them are acting like mature adults in this. Of course, your trigger was a welcome addition to the 3d printing space, and you deserve credit for your design, which I think is unique enough to be it's own thing.

[@tristanshaw4768]

Dude what you do is incredible. You are a badass for what you do for the community. God bless Hoffman Tactical!

[@JoeWayne84]

Got my reinforcement kit within a week of ordering it excellent shipping time and excellent product thanks again brother

[@cvabuck5489]

I still have a sour taste from RBT, but glad to hear that things have lined up to a win-win situation. Can't stop the signal.

[@maffioli14]

Would love an in depth shop tour. Especially including that lathe.

[@samdunston6296]

Keep up the fight, and thanks for keeping us informed.

[@mr.c8682]

Thanks for the update and clearing things up. Looking forward to your new stuff !

[@martinsonofwar395]

You are the first person I have seen that can talk this fast without tripping over words. Wow.

[@sissyphussartre2907]

You're a hero to community man, seriously thanks

[@michaelhancock6832]

FINALLY!!! THANK YOU!!! Hell yea!!! Glad you are still pushing forward!!!!! Glad to hear what was going on. I have been following all aspects of the frt trigger since it came out. My buddies and I have a blast with them at least every other weekend. I am supper excited that you are working on the situation as well and have a lot of respect for you and this video. We haven’t heard anything from Lawrence in quite a while so it’s good to hear some news and glad you are ok. I was super bummed that you took the files down but at least understand now and glad they are still out there and I’m about to jump on that right now! I have so much to say and this could go on forever. THANK YOU!!!! Thank you for what you do. You are awesome kid and got tons of respect for you.

[@ct2368]

I think we all need to be backing rare breed as much as possible because if we work together maybe we can win this thing.

[@chloedemeter5473]

Only way that happens is if it's just in time for WW3 to kill us all off. Everything is global at this point. We're fucked. Especially if we go overseas.

[@ct2368]

@@chloedemeter5473 are you talking about the same video as me, lol?

[@Suspect002]

Fully support BOTH of you here. Keep in mind that a lot of cases simply turn to precedent in order to make judgements, especially when the government wants it to be as such. It aint right, but thats how it works.

[@Slimmerman223]

Keep up the good work, Tim!

[@pmanameless8184]

Glad I found your channel. Only you & a few have the enthusiasm that makes it work. Best of luck.

[@tedh7543]

Thank you for the clarification Tim. Glad RB is backing off your company. The double ribbed lower looks super strong. I selfishly hope you are working on the HT AR-9 Lower with LRBHO.

[@raulduke7142]

Keep up the great work. Look forward to all you share.

[@ChrisHillASMR]

For the frames, I think it would be best to design printable casting molds for carbon fiber bodies. You can make really nice compression molds that cure over 24 hours and have 5x the strength and durability of an aluminum version with even less weight.

[@HoffmanTactical]

Would be interesting to try!

[@knickly]

Have you seen Easy Composites Ltd's video on forged carbon fiber? Looks really promising.

[@MoJosMojo]

I’m glad to hear you’ve been working hard Hoffman keep it up 👍

[@steveninaz9576]

I think the "second" reason is far more valid than its being taken as. If the aft can "win" against another company it sets a president in court and judges look at president as a valid cause to side the same way. All these companies need to stand with RB and help win. I also believe these need to be flooded in the market to make them "common use". Stand together again the tyrannical government.

[@michaelhatfield3430]

I agree about AFT oops I mean ATF about going after a smaller company and creating a precedent that can hurt Rare Breeds lawsuit. Flooding the market to create common use but honestly that doesnt seem to matter these days because the ATF and Government (Federal,State & Local) still goes after AR15's, AK's and other semi auto firearms in attempts to ban them and in many cases have banned them locally even though they are common use with tens of millions in civilian hands. Look what they did with bumpstocks and now pistol braces and 80% receivers and home built firearms. I'm so tired of the ATF giving confirmation that a product or firearm is legal based on written law and then after millions are sold changing their minds due to political pressure even though the law hasnt changed or been amended. ATF just decides to changes the meaning of the written words which if allowed to stand will cost us all our 2A recognized God given/Human rights. It wont stop at 2A and they are chipping away at the 1A too. Creating hate speech laws to use against people that say things they dont like. We are in the upside down world of the clown

[@phildo87]

I agree on the second argument. Overturning president is a way harder thing than winning the initial case. We have so many random situations in law that make no sense because of some president set back in the 1800's even.

[@exterminater267]

Keep printing and mail them to everyone!

[@momentomori1747]

I agree. A truce is important, at least until we win against the AFT. After that, RB is fair game, and someone should come up with a design that's unique enough to get around their patent & open source it.

[@minigpracing3068]

I got a ration of $hit on another video saying that reason #1 was the reason they told you to cease. They must pursue all perceived violations or they lose the ability to to pursue any violations. Your files are so very specific that it would be hard to win in court, but your willingness to understand the situation is very commendable.

[@kylescally5752]

I found the second point interesting, and definitely agree it’s more important to side against ATF. I don’t know about patient infringement law, but it does seem that you were in the right. Thanks for the hard work buddy.

[@rmenard1986]

This 2A community never fails to impress me, glad to know about all you guys and gals

[@pawpatina]

You are wise beyond your years. alot of good points I wouldnt have thought of.

[@danirizary6926]

I like the respectful way you're discussing this. It's classy.

[@ChrisHillASMR]

What really needs to happen from a technical standpoint is getting a steady rate of fire of about 600rpm, and having a frame that supports that indefinitely under normal working conditions. There needs to be more work in active recoil counter balancing, using either a counter weight system, hydraulics, gearing, dampning, etc.

[@HoffmanTactical]

To properly mitigate recoil at high RPM you really have to use an open bolt, unfortunately our friends in the AFT don't like those.

[@gueropalma6649]

Makes a lot of sense. Let's let rare breed take on the ATF. I think they'll win.

[@HoffmanTactical]

I hope.

[@darknature79]

If it was based off right and wrong and the constitution they would win,but we have too many corrupt judges that'll honor statutes and rules over the constitution so it's a craps roll.

[@gueropalma6649]

@@darknature79 it is but I think they'll appeal all the way up. It's an uphill battle but they seem to be ready to climb that hill.

[@Whizzo333]

God Bless HT and Family 🇺🇸✊

[@richardkautz2947]

We the people, together we stand, divided we fall ! Stand up, stick together and support our country and our freedoms ! 🙏🇺🇸

[@BallisticSuperiority]

look at that fine piece of machinery in the background!! 😍😍😍😍😍😍

[@HoffmanTactical]

It's pretty handy ;)

[@BallisticSuperiority]

@@HoffmanTactical someday ill be looking for a place to set up my own.

[@MCamp-ll9mf]

Just saw this video. I applaud you. You handled this entire situation in a level headed, mature way. I’ve always said, just because you can doesn’t mean you should. You could have fought tooth and nail. And most likely won. But to what end? It’s far simpler to remove the files. Like you said, you can find them elsewhere.

[@roguedefensefirearmsllc6194]

It's called "case law", it's a real thing. It's used all of the time, both prosecutors and defense attorneys use them very frequently when writing briefs to the court, referencing them to give the judge an example, to rule in their favor. It's extremely common.

[@visionofcomplexity]

Thank you for all you do. I hope one day the evil atf is completely abolished. Still not convinced in rare breed but I understand these are complicated matters when lawsuits are involved (mainly because our legal system is a for profit business)

[@kanetodd43]

Saw this video and I never clicked so fast

[@triple7988]

Wonder if my positive reset trigger will be done first lol. FRT is easy, trying to get rid of the "F" and still have an "RT" with similar rate of fire is all a matter of efficient use of space. If not a pain in the ass.

[@user-xu7mb2gf9e]

Easy way to get around the C&D is by making the lever stop the hammer instead of the trigger, like an autosear does. What Rare Breed patented was the lever that blocks the trigger.

[@GlizzyBoy60]

Thanks for tht update your still the Goat of the 3d printing gun World love to see what you bring to the table next would love to design something with you or collab with you one day 💪🏽keep doing you

[@knickly]

Re: slim buffer support, I've been looking into low-profile crimped house clamps, which look really interesting. Hypothetically, you could use a non-adjustable band and tension from the inside if needed.

[@chloedemeter5473]

Check out wire hose clamps. Lots of diy vids and articles on how to make the tensioning tool too. Several wraps of that to form essentially a solid wide band would be extremely strong. Could epoxy it down after too so it's guaranteed it never goes anywhere.

[@quaternio]

Bravo for trying to understand and explain the position of your opposition, rather than taking the low road of complaining and only offering defense of yourself. We’d be a much better culture if everyone had the discipline to do this. It’s absurd to me that those who lead our country are usually utterly incapable of this decency-I’m proud that a young, southern 2A advocate can achieve it.

[@HoffmanTactical]

I'm not sure if I'm doing that well, but I can second your statement about our countries leadership.

[@quaternio]

@@HoffmanTactical Attempting it is where the virtue lives. Attempting it at all is worlds better than what most are doing. And also, you’ve done a solid job in my opinion.

[@freshcharge]

You are a very humble individual.

[@rockriver704]

The second reason actually makes more sense to me from a 2A standpoint. If they are going to court and putting resources into this I’m glad they are preventing some backyard dipshit from ruining it for them.

[@dasauto7346]

Love you Tim

[@bjhageman6262]

Excellent job looking at the big picture and keeping everything in perspective.

[@Shep01]

If you can compare the strength of that double rib vs single. show if it's better etc.

[@twinturbostang]

Push up test!!

[@ninja5672]

Maybe if they improved their design to not break springs, and they can make it not cause any malfunctions or unsafe firing scenarios, then people should buy the FRT

[@billdont2458]

I think reason number 2 is very very valid.

[@bob_mosavo]

The patent at issue (U.S. Pat. No. 10,514,223 B1, inventor: Jeffrey Cooper Rounds) and its provisional patent application disclose Hoffman Tactical’s first forced reset trigger. HOWEVER, the patent at issue does NOT have any claim that reads on Hoffman Tactical’s first forced reset trigger. There are clear distinctions between the two in the detailed description of the patent at issue and its provisional patent application, but there is no claim that reads on Hoffman Tactical’s first forced reset trigger. I really doubt that Rare Breed Triggers (the current assignee of the patent at issue) would get a claim construction that reads on Hoffman Tactical’s first forced reset trigger. I really don’t know why the patent attorney (Glenn D. Bellamy) who wrote the patent at issue and its provisional patent application did NOT write a single claim to cover Hoffman Tactical’s first forced reset trigger, but he simply did not. Further, since there would not be any infringement of the patent at issue, there can be no induced infringement. Giles Rich, the former Chief Judge of the Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit, once famously stated, “To coin a phrase, the name of the game is the claim.” But don’t take any opinion in this comment from this raving lunatic, get a patent lawyer and have him or her tell you the same thing ;) I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice. Please do not take action or refrain from action based on this comment.

[@kingduckford]

Paragraphs are your friend. Use them.

[@exterminater267]

Good thing the files are already sent out. Can’t stop the signal.

[@cobrakia9889]

Thank goodness for the signal

[@HoffmanTactical]

Yes, got to love the signal.

[@sheerziggy]

The differences from your design and any of the other dropin frt triggers is vast and I believe you will be able to upload eventually

[@HoffmanTactical]

Our new design is even more differnt.

[@notcholibre]

Glad I scooped the file up when it was still up on the website

[@hawksnake3372]

That double rib lower is going to be perfect for my T91

[@arthursvensson7924]

Matt Bennett hit the bullseye.

[@evil_me]

Soooo many of us have the files, and once it's on the internet you can't get it back.

[@404Droid]

I concur but it's definitely not the same Market I would never spend $400 on a trigger. And also you're modifying a mil-spec trigger with an accessory not a complete trigger group which is a completely different type of approach/concept. And to boot yours is compatible with a proprietary lower

[@HoffmanTactical]

Exactly. As i said in the video, I could probably win this in a court suite. However, it would be mutually destructive for all parties.

[@404Droid]

@@HoffmanTactical I know it's just a bummer but this little bump in the road won't stop you from doing great things. Thankyou Hoff Lets go Brandon

[@roachdoggjr9801]

The Californian with the Darth plagueis forehead sent me here

[@EROCK1966]

Good job thinking of the bigger picture.

[@jimster1111]

anybody got a link to his printed FRT that works in regular mil spec lowers?

[@CowboybubPercussion]

So, the reason for the reenforcement band is because of how print lines work right? What if you made a way to make a printable band for the rear of the receiver where it’s print lines are made to increase the strength of the print… perhaps using some carbon fiber filament … you could add additional functionality to this piece too, like perhaps a sling mount

[@HoffmanTactical]

Yes. I am working on it ;) Annealed CF Nylon may be just the ticket.

[@1313-k5q]

still seems kinda crappy to me. Others have "forced" reset tech patents before him and they didn't sue

[@chlrsnj326]

Kinda what I was thinking was happening. C&D wasn’t a crybaby move, it’s important to the case. As a community of people that want to express our legal rights, a “Plea Bargain” sets precedents for future cases and has a huge potential to really screw us all. We all know it’s crazy expensive to go to court. We all know how deceptive our Government is towards us too. They need to be handed their ass vs just running over the little people to get what they want…

[@HoffmanTactical]

I don't think a plea bargain would set any significant legal precedence, since nothing was ruled by the court. It's if the ATF can win a case against a poor defense team, and even then, RBT can still win if there judge is not 100% corrupted.

[@chlrsnj326]

@@HoffmanTactical I know I used 'Plea Deal' in my comment, but Lawyers argue, that's what they get paid for right? LOL The only precedence we need to set is that it complies with the ATF rulings. Gonna take a couple of deep pockets for us to get that. Especially from an agency that constantly just makes shit up as they go.

[@JoeWayne84]

Also if you look on oddysey for milspec frt that one works pretty well and works takes out a variable of the lower not being perfect to scale or the frt setup I never could get the one for the 3d printed lower to go together and I filed on it for two days off and on

[@6mmFilms]

Can't stop the signal

[@paintballercali]

Can't get the dot com to load. Was trying to order a second reinforcement kit.

[@HoffmanTactical]

I'll check. Everything should be fine.

[@paintballercali]

@@HoffmanTactical I'll check again

[@paintballercali]

Yeah both my cell phone on cellular and my PC on my cable internet will load the org but not the com

[@youngtrav8696]

Thanks man. Appreciate you. Sounds good

[@danjohnson6870]

I believe you mean”irreparable” harm

[@SmithFarmandOutdoors]

They will get their own C&D soon enough

[@HoffmanTactical]

RBT has already received a C & D from the ATF, that is what they are fighting.

[@ethanbarnes2549]

Yeeee lovin your swag g keep it goin, much love!

[@Mustachedmedic]

do you have a place for forum and open discussion? many apps now for encripted chat groups.

[@HoffmanTactical]

I have not set one up yet.

[@PollyMercocet]

Hoffman tactical is a beast 💪🏽💪🏽 I still hate that they messed with you

[@xSP3CTREx]

The path is clear. We disband the ATF, repeal NFA. Then we can fight over how fast can make everyone Select-Fire XD

[@curtiswest4272]

I have done some digging and BDU is getting what they had coming to them. Not just because of the WOT. As far as RBT goes they have an uphill battle of their own. The Chevron Difference and the ATF’s ability to use it is the cloud over their head at the moment. Im not going to lie it looks bad for RBT. Thanks for the update and in all honesty it may be for the best. At least for now. Cant wait to see the new lower.

[@HoffmanTactical]

As I said, it's complex!

[@curtiswest4272]

@@HoffmanTactical 👍

Im kinda shocked at the fact RareBreed is so proud of this trigger sure its fast but it wears like ASS!Anyone seen the aftermath of the locking bar after shooting it looks like its been chewed on.There are some aftermarket companies that I do believe have fixed this issue but at the cost of the trigger Id figure itd last longer.Theres then the fact that it had issues from the start that were ignored. Hats off to this kid for his ingenuity and abilities you're kit looks good kinda wish it was made out of metal so it would in dact last longer.

[@scottplagmann3411]

Keep up the great work!

[@grimace8560]

always love an update

[@richardstone530]

RBT needs to win the case against the AFT before every one gets shafted for a piece of plastic or metal.

[@Osprey1994]

I find it funny that people loved RB when they first came out and thumbed their nose at the ATF, but as soon as they had this fiasco the gun community behaves like a bunch of school children 😂. I don't think they are malicious either and I hope that people can grow up about this and continue to support a company that is actually trying to stick it to the ATF (most of us aren't doing anything other than plinking and complaining).

[@djl5634]

Rare breed didn't invent frt technology. And doesn't own a patent as it's pending. I think they should allow other frt triggers as it more freedom in more hands. But I guess greed is more important to rare breed

[@brandonallgood5363]

Do you think it would be possible to use a 3 poition saftey to switch between safe, normal reset and forced rest? I know this wouldn't work with the design as it is now, but how viable is the idea?

[@factsoverfeelings21]

Drop the gcode for the trigger. Also where do you find your codes for your builds. Appreciate it.

[@georgelstuart]

You rock!

[@jdmack1]

Just create a patent license agreement for a nominal about of money. That would actually strengthen the RBT position.

[@elleayeghee125]

Your new lower gonna come in a pcc version? In particular .45acp

[@cbittles]

Thanks for the update. Also what lathe do you have there?

[@411DL]

While I begrudgingly believe their reasons are probably valid, and in the fight between RBT vs AFT I'm definitely in RBT's corner, I do NOT believe it was incumbent on _you_ to be transparent about this. That is not at all to say I don't appreciate you clarifying this and all else you do to send the signal. Lawrence should have gotten in front of this asap. ... but oh well.

[@goawaybaizuo]

Where do I go to get your designs? I would love to download them and play around with some designs. I don't have a 3d printer but enjoy CAD.

[@Rootpuma2.0]

sounds like any FRT you send out will get a C&D from RB so they can continue the court case....

[@HoffmanTactical]

Not if it does not fall under their patent claims. The 223' patent is quite specific. Nothing they can do about other technologies that achieve the same thing.

[@mr.c.3760]

Are these frt triggers still legal to own legally tho? Can we still take these out to public ranges without worry or not? If not, all of this is for a moot point

[@HoffmanTactical]

I would not hesitate to use one of these the same as any other legal weapon. They want to ban them, but so far have not done so. Of course, I'm not an attorney, this is not legal advise.

[@JoeWayne84]

Honestly man RareBreed might of saved you a lot of time and money cause hosting the files for a FRT trigger at this point could have the ATF bothering you for no reason besides they can. And I’d suggest if you have designs for a new FRT I’d release it under a pen name hehe and then sample it on your KZbin channel. Idk it’s just crazy world and the ATF doesn’t have to win a case or have a legitimate reason to bother you. Take care brother God Bless

[@mattandrews8528]

Anybody know of a site where I can find Hoffman’s FRT conversion files? He says it’s easy enough to find but I couldn’t find them, granted I don’t know the best sites to go to apparently so if anyone can simply point me in a somewhat right direction I’d appreciate it.

[@authentic4225]

What is length and diameter of spring?