Will Tannerite Explosive Work In A Shaped Charge?

In this video we put @TanneriteSports's explosive in our wine bottle shaped charge and compare it to other explosives.
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Chapters
Introduction - 00:00
Sean Discussing Explosive Legalities - 03:18
Explaining the Experiment - 04:37
Gemini Shaped Charge - 07:34
Tannerite Shaped Charge - 09:36
Ammonal Shaped Charge 1 - 13:36
Ammonal Shaped Charge 2 - 16:34
Final Thoughts - 18:31

[@OrdnanceLab]

We know this video is longer than usual, but it's full of interesting information that a lot of people seem to enjoy. Be sure to like and comment away. The 1000th comment gets the steel plate as the gift!

[@joemorganeatmyshortschannel]

Awesome start to an otherwise lack luster Sunday

[@claycopopo]

Can you do another test like this with Nitromethane/Ammonia? Yous guys rocks!

[@jlambuth]

@@claycopopo NM/AN in a shape charge you mean? Sure. We can do that.

[@3isr3g3n]

That was awesome and very interesting, i very much enjoyed the longer format- more of those please! Also, are you planning on doing more videos about thermobarics?

[@MrGascon26]

I like your longer videos!

[@skrimper]

The ultra low effort tannerite censoring was absolutely hilarious. Lol

[@OrdnanceLab]

"THINK OF THE CHILDREN!"

[@frederickdavison899]

@@OrdnanceLab You mean the ones who run KZbin?

[@AfafPrinceOSH]

@@OrdnanceLab would it possible to make a mini rocket and add a shape charge in front of it? Like the real missiles... Just for fun

[@Davidrcobb]

@@AfafPrinceOSH you must be in Florida.

[@AfafPrinceOSH]

@@Davidrcobb nope😂 just a curious guy from Bangladesh

[@eyeofjake]

You should def test out the lawnmower explosion with a ballistics dummy. You know...........for science and stuff.

[@shoelessbandit1581]

Like how that video is so widespread we just know

[@fliegenmann2562]

Not like the „I blew my leg off“ guy.... 😂

[@jlambuth]

We need to find a lawnmower first. Most people seem to be rather attached to theirs and don't want it nuked.

[@Aaron-zu3xn]

don't need to theres a video on youtube we clearly know a piece of metal took his leg off when the idiot tried it

[@aleks138]

@@jlambuth the local small engine repair shop has a whole junkyard of them in the back

[@shawng7902]

Something about shape charges had kept me mesmerized since I started learning about them. From how they were discovered till today. So amazing how it works.

[@scrappydoo7887]

100% they are interesting in pretty much every way

[@5peciesunkn0wn]

I love how it was first discovered by some metal with the company's logo stamped into it getting an explosive set off above it by accident and the divot in the shape of the logo being found later. (I think that's how the story goes)

[@Sevensixtytwo]

Charles E. Munroe was first to describe how shaped charge effect works. In 1888. Hence the name "Munroe effect".

[@grahamconquer8117]

@@Sevensixtytwo probably before that the office that 1888 was when the office started recording patents look at how many things that were founded in 1888 etc

[@user-nj1jk8ic4t]

Blast or fire has to go one direction in the ignition process thus creates a way to and from!

[@CabinOnTheWater]

Tannerite will act as a shaped charge under certain conditions. I used some as normal and put the rest in the shed for a couple months. The humidity in the shed melted the Tannerite into a semi-solid block. To use it I had to scrape it out with my pocket knife and it came out in a powder form. I added about a pack and a half of the aluminum power, shook it up, and put it back into the original bottle. We put it on a metal saw horse and shot it as usual hoping it could be salvaged. Not only did it detonate but it blew the metal saw horse in half and looked like it had been shot with an artillery round. It was not our intention, but that was the result.

[@lindboknifeandtool]

Would you be able to grind it with a food processor or mortar and pestle?

[@M60gunner1971]

​@@lindboknifeandtoolI think you meant chocolate 🍫 bars and Nestlé.

[@nunyabisnass1141]

​​​@@lindboknifeandtoolly before mixing. If you mix it then grind you're going to die, or worse wish you had. However, the grain size of the ammonium nitrate is specifically designed to only be sensitive enough. If you grind it you'll get a lot of micro particles that will be far more reactive than the rest of the mix. It won't be so sensitive that you can't move it around or pour it, but don't drop it. There's really no good reason to alter it.

[@user-nj1jk8ic4t]

Thank you for proving twin tower theory!

[@jlambuth]

This is our first feature video on Shape charged Sunday. Similar to fiery Friday but we release a video on shaped charges on Sunday. Hopefully everyone likes it and finds its interesting!

[@johnsmith-sp6yl]

discord link reminder

[@jlambuth]

@@johnsmith-sp6yl Oh good point. Thanks for reminding me!

[@jlambuth]

@AJ Schriever Oh.......yes........good idea.

[@samsham8218]

Haha! Yesss!! Shape Charge Sundays! Love it!!

[@eliotzarkofski4041]

This is such a rad concept. Yeehaw America

[@joehall1114]

Discount Imhotep is probably the most hilarious thing I've heard in recent videos. That one had me laughing way too much. Bravo to whoever thought of that one.

[@jlambuth]

I rather like the title. I chuckle every time I hear it.

[@mc4906]

Imhotep Imhotep Imhotep Imhotep

[@Damienn1776]

IKR I love it as the resemblance is a little uncanny for such a title

[@doughesson]

How come you never see Discount Imhotep & Arnold Vosloo in the room at the same time?

[@jlambuth]

@@doughesson You know too much!

[@oldhardrock2542]

Back in the day, we learned about shaped charges in ROTC. Well, we had to try one. Went to the feed store and bought some 60% dynamite and a box of caps and some fuse. Got some wine bottles from the our stash. Sure enough, a wine bottle bottom made a pretty good shaped charge.

[@lukeolson4313]

I wish I could buy tnt and blasting caps at the feed store

[@111Moose]

Back before everything was p***ified. The good ol days. I remember blowing shit up as a teenager and not worrying that much about anyone giving a damn. The most we were worried about was the sheriff saying “you kids knock that shit off” lol

[@Robert-ds8ec]

As a young powder monkey I got to do a lot with explosives.... I have moved as many as 800 cases at a time back in the day

[@joehefner7529]

​@@111Moose AHHH THE GOOD OL DAYS! LOL!

[@M60gunner1971]

ROTC 😅

[@brianmcdaniel2693]

As an old combat engineer. This brought back some old memories and classed. Thank you

[@matthewfergusons4318]

You miss blowing things up right😅

[@OFCbigduke613]

12 Bravo !!!

[@allenbuck5589]

1371 usmc Engr s up. 1971

[@kalebamell2547]

the tannerite standoff was way to big in my opinion about 4 inches too much

[@justmeiswear]

The guy who shot the lawn mower and lost his leg happened the next town over from me. He’s lucky to have survived.

[@boltvanderhuge4858]

No way. Have you seen him lately? I saw that video and wondered how bad he got messed up.

[@libertyrevolutionary1776]

That's why you don't put the explosives behind the frame... you put it in front of the frame so the shrapnel goes away from you...

[@justmeiswear]

@@boltvanderhuge4858 I don’t know him personally but it was all over the local news. People were talking about it for a long time. Even wilder is within the last couple of years, a few towns over where my uncle lives, a family shot I think 300 lbs worth of tannerite and it was heard the next state over. I believe they got in a lot of trouble. I’ll try and find an article about it. It gets wild down here in Ga.

[@boltvanderhuge4858]

@@justmeiswear that is legit wild. Especially if heard the next state over.

[@alwayssomething3259]

I used to work with Brian the guy that set off the drum of tannerite in MN. Much more boom and no lost limbs

[@greylocke100]

I remember when I was a kid and my uncle and I would go to the hardware store in town and buy a couple sticks of I think 45% or 60% dynamite for blasting rocks in the stream bed. All he needed to show was his driver's license and fill out a form. It was more of a hassle to get blasting caps. Fused caps, just your ID and a piece of paper, electric caps? ID, a couple forms and a call to the sheriff's office.

[@dirtpounder]

Those were the days...

[@2oswalds]

Truely freedom is thing of the past. 😢

[@thehairywoodsman5644]

back in the late 60s my dad and uncles got dynamite to blow up nutria dams on a slew off the red river in Texarkana Arkansas . I was 7 or 8 it was awesome !

[@jordan-H0wdyH0]

That's freedom?

[@thehairywoodsman5644]

@@jordan-H0wdyH0 yes .

[@24kRobot]

This is a really fun and fascinating experiment! Not only are you blowing stuff up for fun, but you’re also breaking down what happened. I appreciate that! Especially the high speed camera for those slow-mo shots.

[@brokenmedic9133]

All you need to do with the "tannerite" is mill down the ammonia nitrate to a powder and then mix. When milled down, it makes is .22 sensitive too. Still fun stuff.

[@wth......53]

I've heard they have rimfire now

[@PilotTed]

sounds like a good way to get yourself blow up ngl, isn't this shit pretty sensitive to fiction and heat?

[@brokenmedic9133]

@@PilotTed Only when mixed and hit by super fast bullets. The “white part” is ground down in the .22 sensitive version making it more efficient and quite a bit more powerful. I got my binary from another manufacturer and the .22 sensitive was mixed in small baggies instead of a larger tub.

[@PilotTed]

@brokenmedic9133 ah, that's good to know. Never messed with tannerite, though I got to experience mining explosives before while being inside an enclosed quarry. That shock wave hits you like a freight train.

[@wth......53]

@@PilotTed nope ammonia nitrate on its own you can light it on fire nothing will happen you can hit it with a hammer nothing will happen, tannerite is ammonia nitrate and aluminum powder on the ammonia nitrate will do nothing but with the aluminum powder acts as a catalyst. And not any round that's fired at it will set it off, The round has to be FPS 2000 or above

[@UncleKennysPlace]

Unique pronunciation of "centimeter".

[@tyleralderson3697]

Sin-ti-mitters

[@kylehowat6775]

What’s a centimeter HOOORAHHHH🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🦅🦅🦅🗿

[@davidflanagan1653]

The original Tannerite was a fine powder ammonium nitrate it was changed to prill after a while on the market.

[@JohnDoe-pv2iu]

And as shown here, released more energy. Back in 2000, I recall a broken microwave... People were finding pieces of that thing after the cotton was picked and the stalks were mowed... Ya'll Take Care and be safe, John

[@lukewarmwater6412]

possibly because it was too energetic. its just supposed to make a flash and a satisfying bang. it isnt supposed to be good for shaped charges and demo work.

[@SouthCoastTargets]

@@lukewarmwater6412 I am a former employee of Tannerite, reason it was switched to prill form was because ammonium nitrate mixed with the damp oregon climate caused tons of manufacturing problems. product clumped easily after packaging. on top of that since AN is an oxidizer, the parts in the grinders used would corrode very quickly and then seize up

[@lukewarmwater6412]

@@SouthCoastTargets oh, so I picked the more obvious, less accurate answer. fair enough.

[@08lerash]

It was to sensitive and was prone to breaking down over time. I used to buy the little 2”x2” white square with orange bullseye’s back in the 90’s. Those were as powerful as 1lb of tannerite.

[@johnschmitt5259]

You guys are officially my new favorite KZbin channel! Keep the informative shows coming and thank you for your time and effort!

[@Charles-pu1tx]

Nice, good explaining on them fireworks parts. Amazing energy in a small package. Thanks for the time spent making the video.

[@edemere]

Really glad you guys blurred out some powder pouring into a cup. It would be a real danger if people learned how to mix powder together like it was described on the side of the package or something...

[@dadsquatch79]

Can't blame them for KZbin's liberal stupidity.

[@alexsmart5452]

@@dadsquatch79 "liberal stupidity" is redundant.

[@AsmodeusMictian]

@@alexsmart5452 Aw, how cute. Or perhaps they just don't want to get sued for contributing to the next Oklahoma City? You know, given that folks of ALL political stripes enjoy suing the shit out of anybody they can for some reason. I assure you that stupid doesn't check to see which column on the ballot you check the most, kids. Don't let that stop you from going back to grade school though, I'm sure it won't.

[@alexsmart5452]

@@AsmodeusMictian LMAO..Got you triggered. You dont even understand my reply to which comment and the context of it. typical lefty; all emotion, no logic.. but Thanks for playing. Grab your door prize on your way out.

[@AsmodeusMictian]

@@alexsmart5452 "You dont even understand my reply to which comment and the context of it." You're completely correct, I don't understand 'to which comment and the context of it.", mostly because I don't understand whatever just rolled off your fingertips. Perhaps repost that with something closer to proper grammar and clarity of thought? Also, I find it fascinating that y'all can only seem to see things in "left" and "right". No grey area, no middle ground. Just my team and your team. What I was referring to was the fact that in general, YT'ers will err on the side of extreme caution when dealing with KZbin's idiotic algorithm and getting de-monetized. Better to do something a bit silly (or in this case, perhaps a bit cheeky :D ) and not get de-monetized than to not do it and take the risk. Given that I didn't insult you or blather on about right/left politics....I'm not surprised you got lost. Hope that helps. Cheers.

[@libertyrevolutionary1776]

Technically you can manufacture whatever explosives you want as long as it's from raw materials... however, there some specifics you need to know regarding detection agents for C4 and other plastic explosives... and any unused explosives have storage requirements...

[@RavenWolffe77]

Care to elaborate? I live in the desert, so I'm in a great place to set off explosives without bothering anyone. It'd be nice to know what's what, just so the boog bois don't knock down my door.

[@robsdeviceunknown]

Although this is true. In most cases, if you plan on playing with a lot of explosives, best to pay the 1K a year for the license and just buy it. C4 is like 40 bucks for a stick 1.25 lb if i remember correctly. License is easy to get. If your sheriff wont block it. But you will have to install a magazine to spec to store it.

[@Jake_Hamlin]

@@robsdeviceunknown agreed. The license is cheaper than legal costs/fees

[@johnded3874]

I thought you had to have a business or something to get such a license.

[@ironmonkey1512]

@@RavenWolffe77 it's illegal to store or transport it, that is why tannerite is legal you mix it and use it right away

[@frankmorris7003]

I really have to say the both of you guys never cease to dumbfound me with your volitile creativity and your explosive scientific knowledge all the while being quite entertaining!!!!

[@PracticalKen]

Thank you for sharing comparisons. Love your videos. 😀

[@aSinisterKiid]

Thanks for the demonstration and experiment with this type of explosive. I have always heard the phrase "shaped charge" and just kind of assumed it meant the literal shape you formed the explosive into. But after watching the first explosion and seeing the hole in the plate, I realized there was more to this. So I went and did some research and read all about what a shaped charge is. And holy moly what a ton of information there was to discover. I had no idea all the physics involved in the explosion and what is really going on. Between the shape of the liner, the angle of the void, the metallurgy of the liner, type of explosive used changing the characteristics of the "slug" and all kinds of other details, I just spent about 30mins reading and learning about shaped charges. So I just wanted to say that maybe it could make a good video for you guys to dedicate to specifically talk about the history of shaped charges. From the initial discovery of the science, the later adoption of the technique into military use, the various industrial uses for the technology outside of the military all the way through to the science of the jet, the "carrot" and the "slug" physics depending on the makeup of the device, it could make for a really informative video. I had no idea there was so much cool science going on during the explosion but if anyone could break it down, you guys certainly could.

[@astrataway7077]

If shaped charges satisfied your fancy then you might also look into EPFCG. There's not allot of info on the subject (for reasons) but I guarantee you will be impressed nonetheless.

[@milewesler9592]

@@astrataway7077 oh you beat me to it. Efp's are fucking neat

[@BoredAmerican]

Would a grenade sump actually do it’s job?

[@OrdnanceLab]

You know, that's a great idea. Adding it to the list of to do videos.

[@BoredAmerican]

@@OrdnanceLab sweet!

[@captainmikehagen459]

@Ordnance Lab please do this

[@aleks138]

What's a grenade sump?

[@Pattyfin6985]

@@aleks138 it's a hole in the bottom of a fighting position to kick a grenade into if it is thrown in with you.

[@hateferlife]

Great data. I was waiting to comment about the velocity discussion, glad I did!

[@Markojaydog]

Thx for the testing guys! Very interesting!

[@crowfoote]

I have discovered that beer fridges (empty of course) do very well with Tannerite. The safe..Er beer fridge door was effectively removed and recovered. Also tannerite is perfect for getting out of cleaning house as all you do is blow up the vacuum.

[@Subgunman]

Nice work guys! Been to several MG shoots with licensed explosives experts. Very interesting display with legit shaped charges. Uncle Sams Misguided Children also offered some very informative course work as well.

[@ashleyhockenberry2187]

Awesome demonstration and great information !

[@ksmith-1836]

Great and informative video guys. Keep up the good work!

[@jlambuth]

I was legit surprised the ammonal charges worked. I was skeptical at first. Way too much work to make them functional though.

[@MrAPCProductions]

Jake, do you think there is a way you guys to put together a simple cartoon or graphic explanation to go along with your different charges? This all seems very interesting to me, but I am sure there are very specific youtube rules for such things.

[@mattfleming86]

speaking of, I don't want a "recipe" or anything close for that matter, but what are the basic constutients (or generic chemical families of ingredients) of the Gemini? It always impresses with its performance!

[@jlambuth]

@@mattfleming86 I can't go into details, but it is NM based.

[@jlambuth]

@@MrAPCProductions I could add more graphics sure.

[@smithnwesson990]

Is 2 pounds of tannerite more powerful than 2 pounds of flash powder? Does what it's contained in make a difference?

[@CardAholic-BoomBucketBreak]

Wow. Very interesting and educational. Thanks for the content guys.

[@kirkboswell2575]

Nice demonstration. There is definitely a place for both high speed and low speed explosives. One of my own examples that showed this to me, many many moons ago, I was building fence in rocky ground. My employer had some fancy two-part explosives. He was real proud of the fact that this fancy stuff had " 'X' times" the power of dynamite. First charge powdered an inch of rock into talcum powder. Second charge did the same. Then I packed it in and tried a third. More of it, but the same powder production. Since I wanted to get the job finished, I requested plain dynamite, which my employer didn't initially understand. He came with me. Showed him with a fourth charge what was happening. Very first charge of dynamite, I had a lot of gravel in my post hole, and very little powder. But that one charge of dynamite broke up enough rock that I could set the post. Depending upon what you want to do, the choice of high velocity or low velocity explosives makes a difference.

[@jesseinzana5934]

Awesome video, great to see the algorithm getting your name out.

[@OrdnanceLab]

Us too!

[@Microwavingmetal]

This is an awesome experiment you guys put together i honestly didn't think it would work at all. Also given the low VOD next time maybe you can try an efp, might work or might not but it'd still be interesting.

[@robertcainjr.7627]

I was looking into tannerite for a Fourth of July finally and a 10 year old kid interrupted us and said that if you grind it in an old coffee grinder before mixing and adding a table spoon of diesel after mixing it make a big fire ball! The shop shrugged and said he was right! Lol

[@raymondjohns7617]

I love watching your channel, thanks Ray

[@lucassmith2332]

Glad your testing different charges for different things. Even know they don't work it's great to see.

[@arty7122]

I cant even imagine what kind of a herculian task must have it been to grind down the ammonium nitrate to a fine powder for that shape charge. Wonderfull content!

[@footingball5566]

Hi!

[@jlambuth]

It was 3 days of dedicated ball milling and drying. I spent most of the day dealing with that and it was a pain.

[@chuckfinley3152]

A tumbler with ball bearings?

[@fedai1196]

I don't get it. It doesn't have to be in flour consistency. If you want to get the powder, much faster way is to heat the AN first in hot pan or whatever, then immediately ground it into fine powder without letting it getting cold. Hotter prills tends to crumble more easily into powder, than moisture absorbed slurry AN. Ball milling and those stuff will not help that much, since it already absorbs water, it will be hard to pulverize it. You have to act quickly, make the mixture as soon as possible, then you can store it in dry place or just readily use it.

[@wilsonrawlin8547]

Really easy. Use a blender or Ninja. Add silica packs to absorb moisture. Not don't grind the silica packs. ;D

[@jst4curiosity704]

Good stuff guys! I appreciate the legal aspects also.. Thanks!

[@clayhughes3263]

The way you say “centimeter” is the most American thing I’ve ever heard lol

[@trixrabbit8792]

You guys should test all the IED’s in the combat engineer hand book. It’s a unclassified Army TM so you can get one for the looking.

[@gristlepounder]

Love your channel. I remember years ago when I worked in R&D lab and somebody read an article (before internet) in CE&N about Picric Acid explosions. They said check and see if we have any in the reagent room. We had a gallon complete with crystals on cap of bottle. Had to have the squad come and remove.

[@xxxm981]

Thats pretty lucky, imagine if somebody opened that a little less than careful.....

[@CATASTEROID934]

From what I've read it's not supposed to be too dangerous as long as the starting material was pure and it is stored correctly, it's when you get elderly picric acid that's been stored in hot and damp conditions in open containers exposed to the atmosphere and in the presence of other materials where it starts to decompose and some of those decomposition products can sensitise the material, it's similar to other related nitrated compounds in that respect. Exposure to metal ions probably doesn't help either. It's probably similar to crusty old ether containers in that they're probably not enormously dangerous but the risk is hard to measure and it's not really going to be worth enough to take the chance having around just in case they do go pop in the middle of the reagent racks and make an enormous dangerous mess out of nearby containers.

[@xxxm981]

@@CATASTEROID934 Well, crystals on the lid are a big no no with anything explosive. Also one good reason to never make that aceton peroxide. Break a bigger crystal on opening, it might chain detonate the whole thing, no?

[@CATASTEROID934]

@@xxxm981 organic peroxides are a world of their own in terms of instability and TATP is among the nastier of the deeply unpleasant characters populating that category, it and other small organic peroxides like MEKP absolutely are capable of mass detonation from individual crystals sitting among the screw threads of their container being crushed by movement of the lid, and the former especially likes to evaporate quickly and form large ugly crystals, and is definitely capable of detonating under it's own weight (if one had so little respect for themselves and those around them to create a pile large enough). The vast majority are so far into the category of primary explosives that they sit in the category of materials far too unstable and hazardous to handle to be useful.

[@johnboy6955]

I've been going back watching these older vids bc I really like things that go boom. So needless to say I'm enjoying this channel.

[@rickbauer7088]

Very interesting video, well done.

[@ffs0o0]

Haven't gotten past the opening but I'm happy to see it. Regardless if it's suppose to work or not. Thank you.

[@ffs0o0]

So what if you used a copper or an aluminum cone? Fairly thin. Idk thinking out loud.

[@jlambuth]

@@ffs0o0 We have both but we are limited due to supply chain issues. The ones we have on hand are for private contracts off camera. Copper is great and aluminum requires a bit more conditioning as it sometimes combusts before forming a jet. Glass is great though. We have gotten insane performance from glass. Plus, we have a ton of wine bottles as my ex donated them due to her horrid wine addiction.

[@euX222X]

Jim Carrey and Vin Diesel from Chernobyl...

[@jlambuth]

LOL

[@1234CreamCorn]

Nice! I've wondered about this for a while.

[@dougmate2378]

awesome, love the videos guys

[@diamond-gx1qg]

I would say the asymmetric hole is from the deformation of the plate. The velocity of the Gemini over cones this. The weaker amonol bends the plate leading to more tearing.

[@georgesakellaropoulos8162]

Subbed a while back. Any channel with a 'Shaped charge Saturday' feature validates that decision.

[@michaels.5438]

Very informative!

[@chrismabie8075]

As always, nicely done gents!!

[@k5utc]

Well Done again. Love things that go Bang! Tannerite while fun lacks the brisance of higher explosives to be suitable for shape charges. I did notice an impressive difference in the Ammonal vs Tannerite. Keep it up guys.

[@mfree80286]

11:00 "void space".... have you guys thought about seeing if there's a powder filler that would cover the void space in a prill binary without screwing with the stochiometry or just flat stealing the aluminum powder coasting? For that matter, I'd be interested to see if something like prill based binary "ammostarch" would function. Cornstarch (baby powder) will pack nearly solid and you could just run it "fuel rich", may even get a little bit of dispersed rapid combustion if the starch that doesn't immediately be consumed stays powdered.

[@sixoaksfarm1556]

Exactly what I was thinking. Hope they respond.

[@alexsmart5452]

@@sixoaksfarm1556 I just like that it went boom.

[@georgemitchell9244]

Powdered sugar

[@wolfsmith2865]

Great video. Lots of fun, but still good info.

[@kurtschmidt5005]

Great content!

[@swamprat9018]

just making the 1k guy get there. cool beans, and stay safe guys.

[@JohnJohnson-bx6li]

For the tannerite, what if you used a stronger blast vessel to get more of a directional blast and then use a copper disk instead of glass, Maybe something ready available like copper flashing ( one of two layers)

[@dennisyoung4631]

Use a hydraulic press and dies to form copper cones of copper pipe caps?

[@alext8610]

Plastic X burns slow and even, whilst gradually building that max pressure. Powdered composites cannot do that......unless he subsitutes for KMnO and lets say Mg mixture. That mixture can be ignited at any point and can be set to go near prefectly centered. Problem would still exist from overpressure, but better results would be achieved.

[@RedDogForge]

metals tend towards a plasma slug ive heard?

[@jebaj0czeski0marynaz]

You should use a ball mill, then compress everything tight

[@alden1132]

Fascinating. Have you tried using a desiccant to dehydrate the powder while grinding? You could work in a sealed container (sand blasting cabinet-style) with a desiccant present in the tube, or you could possibly seal it in an airtight container with molecular sieve pellets, to minimize and even reverse absorption of atmospheric moisture.

[@rm3141593]

Thank you, fun stuff!

[@treOODA]

The original tangerine was not only powdered bit also included a container of PEG 400 to be used to plasticize to the powder for shaped charges to remove stumps.

[@Shitbird3249]

Smells like Shitrus

[@daveletterman8682]

Could you guys do an episode about ANNMAL? As i understand it its just ammonal with nitromethane meant to make it thermobaric. Would be cool to see side by side high speed with other N based explosives.

[@jlambuth]

We can do that. Sure!

[@daveletterman8682]

@@jlambuth awesome!

[@Tunkkis]

Piling on to this comment, I've seen references to a mixture called ANNMSA (Ammonium Nitrate/NitroMethane/Sulfuric Acid) on a certain forum. It'd be interesting to see that mix explained.

[@sanguinemoon9201]

@@jlambuth fantastic! I was gonna ask about a mix with 3 percent by weight nitromethane.

[@jlambuth]

@@Tunkkis Interesting. I'll look into it.

[@davidjakiela9553]

Back in the 70s I acquired two books. They were about the size of a TV guide. They were called black book number one and black book number 2 of improvised munitions. Basically they're on how to manual an improvised munitions, igniters and detonators. They even show how to make a zip gun out of pipe. I think I'm going to donate them to our local police department's EOD team.

[@Ryknfjor]

This is good stuff. Love you guys

[@boltvanderhuge4858]

Did the bad guy from the mummy give up world domination to teach science class?

[@jlambuth]

LOL. OK that was funny.

[@scrappydoo7887]

Homemade reactive armour would be really cool to see 👍

[@Daniel-wy2kx]

Reactive armor for body armor lol

[@scrappydoo7887]

@@Daniel-wy2kx now THAT would be cool to see lol. I don't rate their chances of doing less harm than good but it'd be really interesting lol

[@rayarthur586]

Always great watching things go bang in the day light. 😇👀💥💥💥💥

[@edwardchance2543]

Thanks for sharing

[@Backupnow-gf7wb]

Don’t think the outcome would be different, but it looks like the stand off legs on the Tannerite was farther away from the plate then others

[@davidtKlein]

I was pleasantly surprised that such low-brissance charge (AN + Aluminum) dented and warped the thick steel plate, since it shoves more than cracks. I’m also impressed that you guys were able to get the AN fine enough to flow and compact enough to lense. Are you allowed to say how you dried it? Was it mechanical drying (like molecular sieves) or thermal drying (like putting in a low-temperature oven) or did you draw off the water by putting a more hygroscopic medium in the tumbler? If this is too close to instructing a non-licensed person how explosives are made, please let me know and I’ll retract/remove the question.

[@johnmiller5992]

Thermal drying is usually good for AN since it's stable at higher temps

[@jlambuth]

I built a drying cabinet with a temp control. It allows for me to dry out powders and other substances quickly. Especially large quantities of explosives safely.

[@fedai1196]

Any hot surface between 50-160 Celsius is enough, it is about the time, higher the temperature faster it dries, but you don't want to melt it at 160 C. For example Room heater radiator is enough for drying most chemicals (around 60 celcius) , i just lay the stuff on the hot radiator surface, let them stay a little bit while and then ground them into fine powder

[@EmilFihlman]

Information is free.

[@paulsmith2105]

I would just put it in a decicator bag

[@AstroDenny]

This was a really fun video!

[@yermanoh]

sen tim it ers = senty meters .... love the vids, thanks for all the hard work, happy new year

[@adamgonzalez7450]

Now this is the kind of science we need!

[@Pallium_Industries]

So what happens if you fill the voids in the tannerite with another explosive 🤔

[@terrys.3278]

Love the Dub V attire. Just wanted to say hey from WV, and love the videos guys. Keep up the good work.

[@douglassfwilson]

Very informative👍👍👍

[@Godprovides37]

Lots of work but good to know for significantly increasing the relative explosive force with what's available. Looks close to the slower push power effect military dynamite gave. Way better than regular tanerite by far. Sadly us peasants still need to improvise our own initiators. Must be nice shopping at PETN Plus or C4 'N More i hope the club card has a crappy membership photo!

[@WJS774]

Really interesting. I don't know much more than the basics about explosives, but have a few thoughts. Is the optimal stand-off distance dependent on the detonation velocity? Is the bend in the thin plate anything to do with the shaping or just because of the explosion in general, i.e. if you set off a charge that size with no shape at that distance what would happen? And could the Tannerite one have managed to penetrate the thin sheet at all?

[@patricksworkshop6010]

From what I understand, it has to do with the diameter of the charges "cone" as the lensing effect requires a little distance to build up the penetrators velocity

[@platinumbrick6]

Wow can’t believe I’ve never seen you guys, right up my alley lol

[@ElricX]

Terrifyingly entertaining! With a pinch of education. I love it!

[@MrDoss89]

Wouldn't a copper cone work better than a glass cone? Just curious because in the military they taught us that the copper cone was the optimal choice.

[@OrdnanceLab]

Copper is a good choice but it isn't the optimal metal. We have experimented with different metal mixtures along with glass and ceramics with great results. Copper is the "best" due to various factors the military favors. Glass does amazingly well as a liner.

[@samthenerf]

@@OrdnanceLab Can glass form an aerodynamically stable jet?

[@MrDoss89]

@@OrdnanceLabglass definitely does well. Your results speak for themselves. Just wasn't sure if one performed better that the other. Love the channel. Keep up the good work and the terrible jokes!!!

[@jlambuth]

@@samthenerf Absolutely. It forms a great jet. We are now experimenting with borosilicate glass to make custom shape charges. We need a new glass blower though as the guy we were working with is out of the game.

[@jlambuth]

@@MrDoss89 it's a good thing I didn't minor in comedy. Def would have failed that degree.

[@dalewoodall6889]

I wonder if a cone of copper would work better than glass from a wine bottle.

[@MrLulzbot]

At that point add a backing plate and make an EFP, the Mizany-Shardin effect punches well above its weight.

[@sanguinemoon9201]

I believe it would be more consistent, though likely not penetrate deeper.

[@TheJgray17]

Almost back to the days of gun powder shaped charges that were played around with on the railroads. The regular stand-off formula doesn’t work with the lower velocity explosives, you need a little more stand-off and a little more pointed shape to it for better penetration.

[@navyhmc8302]

Would love to see this again with a copper cone instead of glass.

[@madrenwillims4391]

Yeah or maybe zinc

[@navyhmc8302]

@@madrenwillims4391 Interesting, why Zinc?

[@madrenwillims4391]

@@navyhmc8302 mostly because I have a lot of pure zinc and because it shares a few qualities with copper

[@navyhmc8302]

@@madrenwillims4391 Sounds good! I was curious - not that I know a lot about shape charges, other than usually copper is used for the forcing cone. Thanks.

[@antimateriel]

@@madrenwillims4391 Maybe lead would be a better option. It is softer so low detonation velocity of tannerite would form the jet easier. Also melting the ammonium nitrate and then adding the AL powder would create a more homogenous mixture with less void space so the shockwave travels uniformly. Explosively formed penetrators would be a great idea to test also.

[@exo068]

Cool video!! Are you guys able to show a big shaped charge like in a hellfire or something similar?

[@OrdnanceLab]

Oh yes we can

[@exo068]

@@OrdnanceLab really that’s cool!! Thanks for answering.

[@submechanophobia768]

@@OrdnanceLab One of my favorite Obama quotes.

[@texasRoofDoctor]

Great information. We have a beaver dam to deal with before it ruins our stock pond.

[@RGHuron]

wow thanks this is educational!

[@ROOSTER333]

This channel never disappoints

[@logigustafsson]

Probably been asked before, but how would your ammonial charge react to having a round fired at it compared to the over the counter Tannerite? You stated that it's mixed to achieve a higher impact sensitivity, that got me curious. Thanks for awesome content as always!

[@ConfessorEpicness]

Amonal is an exothermic compound. It's a highly unstable mixture that self detonate if stored for any length of time. It needs to be mixed and used immediately.

[@patthegunsmith]

Always fun to watch.

[@D347h5cy7hE]

Keep up the good work guys.

[@andyd2960]

I'm curious about the stand off distance from the plate and maybe using a more solid container for the tannerite. I'm thinking that a steel walled container and lid would direct pressure into a shape charge more effectively. I have very limited experience with explosives and none with tannerite.

[@lkilkenny9426]

In this case, ESPECIALLY standoff. There was MUCH more for the unaltered tannerite than for any of the other three tests!

[@kensiyaka2081]

the hazard factor just shot up to darwin award. to make this possible, 1. think shape charge one one side and sealed on the other. whether set off by blasting cap or high speed projectile. it should have a thick, high sandbag berm built around it to contain any high velocity metal fragments

[@andyd2960]

@@kensiyaka2081 ya the fragment hazard is going to be insane. My thinking is that the velocity of tannerite is so low that in order for the shape charge to work it needs a little extra direction. Think of the canister acting like a gun barrel, forcing the energy into the shape charge cone and into the steel plate.

[@jonathandickson5698]

How did you calculate the standoff for the tannerite device? Certainly appeared to be too tall.

[@jlesko1063]

this was my thought as well, dont think we'll get an answer.

[@briancombatengineer12b91]

Normally its calculated 1.5 times the cone diameter. With the cone of a angle in between 40 and 60 degrees.

[@jonathandickson5698]

@@briancombatengineer12b91 fully aware of that calc and place. Point is, what they have in the video does not in any way appear to be correct. Their lack of response is more proof to my point.

[@AmbuBadger]

@@jonathandickson5698 Sssh, don't ruin it for everyone! Remember, this _totally_ doesn't work, so there's no need to ban it!

[@captainscarlett1]

I've lived with the metric system since 1972 and I've never heard centimeters pronounced this way. Even Americans don't pronounce it that way usually and they're masters of mangling the English language. A first for Ordnance Lab.

[@michellewilt4479]

Saw that WV hoodie and immediately liked. Blue and gold forever!

[@BelaJuTe]

Can you guys test the blowing up rail tracks from western movies? I would love to know it that really worked?

[@ek8710]

That's a good suggestion :D

[@jpenna1976]

Pretty sure that it doesn't require huge amounts of dynamite to damage tracks enough to derail a train. Finnish Kaukopartio (Long-distance patrol, special forces predecessor) used TNT charges deep behind Soviet lines to Murmansk railroad. Charges were German design, meant to sabotage railroads. Those had delay or pressure triggers. Quick google didn't provide much online information about these charges. I just remembered reading of them as commonly carried inventory recently.

[@jeffwooton7138]

I remember back in my Demo school days ('84), we had an instructor who taught us this exact skill. I was Cav, not a Combat Engineer. Anyway, he literally made the track sing, on purpose, as it flew threw the air. One of my better days of existance.

[@bytefu]

Great video, as always. I understand how crazy and dangerous it might sound, but is it actually possible to melt ammonal, for maximum density and consistency? It may require lowering pressure to lower melting temperature and avoid ignition. Just curious how far you can push ammonal's efficiency.

[@ShannonDove-sy7ye]

I think that the ammonium nitrate act a little bit like a base and starts reacting with the aluminum if you heat it... making aluminum nitrate and setting the ammonium free, but I'm not sure, I'm just guessing. I mixed magnesium with ammonium nitrate one time, and accidentally got it wet and it started smelling like ammonia,

[@waynn_xap]

great job guys

[@seldoon_nemar]

Discount Imhotep needs some slick sunglasses like budget Jim Carrey. Add in a little flare and you two could be styling like Grand Thumb over here lmao. You guys are great! Dam the algorithm for not giving you the love you deserve!

[@prinzeugenvansovoyen732]

@Ordonance Lab may I request you try it with the most common mining explosives like ANFO, the emulsion paste in the "dynamite" sticks used for blasting wet shots and Donarite Also maybe Apex - since it's a common while dangerous improvised explosive and scarily easy to produce with peroxide, acetone and a catalyst acid. And maybe Pistol NC Powder-I don't know if a detonator works with NC Powder like a high explosive without a pressure container NC Powder does have a point where it switches from explosive deflagration to real detonation, I just don't know if you can reach it without pressure vessel/sustain it for the time needed for a completed reaction... Surprise me please Its absolutely awesome you make this knowledge public, I'm saving up to make a explosives license here in Europe

[@Tunkkis]

They already have a video on acetone peroxide.