The Car Designed To CRUSH the Shelby Cobra - The 1964 Bill Thomas Cheetah

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Күн бұрын

In this Rare Cars documentary, we go in depth into the short but absolutely fascinating history of the Bill Thomas Cheetah, the car that was built to destroy the Shelby Cobra back in the 1960’s. The Cheetah is an exceptionally rare car that unfortunately not too many people know about as it sort of faded into obscurity and never got the praise nor spotlight that the Shelby Cobra got.
That doesn’t mean this car wasn’t awesome though! Weighing in at an estimated 1,500lbs and making between 365 and 550hp, the Cheetah was an absolutely insane vehicle that the world deserved to know so much more about!
This is the 4th Rare Cars documentary so if you enjoyed it, please make sure to subscribe to the channel because we have more documentaries just like this one coming out on history’s most interesting cars like the GT40, Porsche 907, Ferrari P4 and oh so many more!

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@AZCobraman
@AZCobraman Жыл бұрын
"Cheetahs are perfectly balanced cars....once they start spinning they never stop." Mark Donohue.
@juergriolo7334
@juergriolo7334 Жыл бұрын
yes, you are right. And ... RedBull should KEEEP OUT !!! of the Pit Area the Vather of Max !!!
@kennethjackson7574
@kennethjackson7574 Жыл бұрын
And on the opposite end of that spectrum was the V-8 Gremlin. One of the Petersen magazines of those days said it understeered so much it could smoke the front tires trying to turn off of a straight line. Neither feature is useful.
@josefolsson5343
@josefolsson5343 Жыл бұрын
So they are to the cars what I asume Tomcats flying through a jet wash are to airplanes? Although I couldn't possibly know this for sure since I don't have the knowledge to back that theory up. Might be that way with any military airplane in a similar situation. Also, I'm most defenitly not refering to Top Gun in an attempt to make a joke, so any trolls are free to try and make fun of me. 😏
@johnquillman785
@johnquillman785 Жыл бұрын
@@kennethjackson7574 Had a stock Gremlin,,,,wide tires + short wheel base + slick road.......hold on, a spin is a real possibility on this trip. You could hit a puddle and do a 360 degree.
@kennethjackson7574
@kennethjackson7574 Жыл бұрын
@@josefolsson5343 Picture holding a dumbbell, arm straight down, and turning it clockwise and counter clockwise. Now picture holding a barbell of the same weight and doing the same thing. Getting the barbell to turn will be harder than it was with the dumbbell, right? The Cheetah is rather like the dumbbell, relatively easy to spin because so much weight is near center. Especially if it’s gone off-track, such as on hard dirt or wet grass. I hope this helps.
@Dan210871
@Dan210871 Жыл бұрын
Gorgeous car, undoubtedly. Shame it didn't perform accordingly. Moral of the story: There is only one Carroll Shelby.
@matthewbratton3825
@matthewbratton3825 Жыл бұрын
Cheetah Evolution and a few others make Cheetahs now that are state of the art modern versions of the Cheetah. A friend of mine nows owners and has painted a few in flawless finishes.
@awaren8375
@awaren8375 10 ай бұрын
Really? Shelby took a car someone else built and shoved a Ford V8 in it..not very original or very talented,Shelby=overrated & overpriced .bristol ace? When you take a car that's already existed for multiple years and put an engine in it that it never came with that doesn't make you anything but a f****** mechanic I never understood why people idolize this guy🤣🤣shelby😂😂😂😂see that badge makes my car faster than yours😂😂 hey guys if I put a Ford V8 in this car and call it a cobra you think anyone will notice that all I did was take the front bumper off and put a big engine in it and think I made the car right😂 no.. no , we won't.
@Dan210871
@Dan210871 10 ай бұрын
@@awaren8375 Then again, that is not the only thing that Shelby did. You may try to be less of a judgmental knowitall, replacing your contempt with curiosity.
@charlesharper7292
@charlesharper7292 8 ай бұрын
It will out run, and out handle the Cobra. Chevy didn't get to race in the same class as the Cobra because the racing administration changed the number you had to build to. compete in the class. Was you had to build 100 cars. They changed the rules to 1000 cars. Chevy pulled the plug. Steering and suspension was designed after a lotus Chevy had in the shop. Brakes were drum front and rear!😬
@Dan210871
@Dan210871 8 ай бұрын
@@charlesharper7292 I see that "Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda": is still the favorite tune of GM fans.
@blarfneggs3728
@blarfneggs3728 Жыл бұрын
I bought a Cheetah when I was a teenager as a project. Had no idea what I was doing. Ended up reselling it a few years later for what I paid for it which was $2500. Wish I had it now.
@kennethjackson7574
@kennethjackson7574 Жыл бұрын
The car I wish I had bought 50-ish years ago was a Dan Gurney Cougar, Gurney’s counter to the Shelby Mustang. The other side of the coin- Shelby v. Thomas, and Shelby v. Gurney. $800. Oh well.
@kevinbarrett9615
@kevinbarrett9615 Жыл бұрын
Saw one race at Road America , loudest car at the event , a hoot to watch. I will always remember the Cox gas powered model when I was a kid.
@todd3285
@todd3285 Жыл бұрын
I use to race SCCA back in the late seventies and early eighties . Later on I did a few historic races . The sound of the Cheetah was amazing . You could hear it before you could see it .
@samsonian
@samsonian Жыл бұрын
One of the very few ‘legend’ cars of the 60s I have NO desire to drive. Looks AND appears designed to want to kill its driver (that’s saying something from the 60s)!
@kenm4678
@kenm4678 Жыл бұрын
You can still usually watch a SOCAL Cheetah and the coupe at vintage/historic RA races.
@rickwho2314
@rickwho2314 Жыл бұрын
The whole story sounds like another whining GM ass clown. Just another Wan 2 Bee😢
@DanimalZ32
@DanimalZ32 Жыл бұрын
Was just at RA for the vintage weathertech challenge this weekend and the cheetah dominated everything as always!
@scottmccutcheon2530
@scottmccutcheon2530 Жыл бұрын
One of my favorites from the sixties. I remember have a slot car with a cheetah body on it. Those were the days
@tiberiusgracchus7328
@tiberiusgracchus7328 Жыл бұрын
The Cheetah made a great slot car body, low and wide. Slot cars were great fun. A great time to be a kid.
@VWPirates
@VWPirates Жыл бұрын
I admired my Cheetah slot car for many hours as a kid. It helped making me a petrol head.
@donnarolando3961
@donnarolando3961 Жыл бұрын
@carmineredd Strombecker😃
@freedom_323
@freedom_323 Жыл бұрын
the Slot car race tracks :) we had one track/store in my area, with 3 major hobby shops ...those were great times
@donnarolando3961
@donnarolando3961 Жыл бұрын
Had one from Strombecker, one of my favorites
@deadmeat8754
@deadmeat8754 Жыл бұрын
The BT Chevy Cheetah was such a niche tuner product that it's beyond presumptuous to suggest it was the Shelby Cobra's biggest (or even major) rival. Every thing about the Cheetah was derivative and epitomized Duct Tape Engineering, whereas everything Shelby did was bold and involved utilizing actual racing automotive engineering of the era.
@kennethjackson7574
@kennethjackson7574 Жыл бұрын
If “Duct Tape Engineering” works it works. I like the informal motto of the folks who built the Super Guppy transport airplanes entrusted with hauling Saturn V rocket components cross country: “Build to fit, draw to match, paint to cover.”
@freedom_323
@freedom_323 Жыл бұрын
yep. thats how I remember the Cheetah, as a cheap knock off of the cobra...still a cool car, but thats how it was viewed by the motor head adults i grew up around
@AtropalArbaal-dk8jv
@AtropalArbaal-dk8jv Ай бұрын
The Cobra is neither a Shelby, nor original. It is an AC Ace, with Ford badges, beefed up chassis, and Ford engines.
@v.e.7236
@v.e.7236 Жыл бұрын
Bill Thomas' work w/ the Chevy Corvair is what pushed my mother to buy a turbocharged Corvair in 1964. She Rallye raced the heck out of that car and I got to be her co-pilot, because I was the youngest kid and still needed supervision. My favorite supervision, ever. We clocked hundreds of miles in that Corvair. I own a '65 convertible Corvair as my daily driver and think of Mom every time I get in.
@monkeyearcheese420
@monkeyearcheese420 Жыл бұрын
Your mom sounds pretty cool
@v.e.7236
@v.e.7236 Жыл бұрын
@@monkeyearcheese420 I'm slightly biased, but yeah, she was a really cool mother. She was an artist, as well as an avid Rallye racer.
@edwhitson9873
@edwhitson9873 Жыл бұрын
Awesome momma. Mine had a built trans-am and I could get her to race red light to red light, or smoke the tires off.....but rally racing, Wow
@HanoiHustler
@HanoiHustler Жыл бұрын
My mother dragged a Roadrunner got to drive that car in her lap.
@HanoiHustler
@HanoiHustler Жыл бұрын
My mother was a artist to!
@ytwhite5930
@ytwhite5930 Жыл бұрын
Great video! As a 9yr old kid,I got to take a ride in the green Alan Green Cheetah on 1st ave so. one Sat. morning with a mchanic.Note that it still has the original drum brakes on it! RIP Bill Thomas.
@rarecars3336
@rarecars3336 Жыл бұрын
That’s an awesome story!
@anthonysiler4938
@anthonysiler4938 Жыл бұрын
My dad has the pic of that car in his office at the Bardahl plant, cool car!
@freedom_323
@freedom_323 Жыл бұрын
This generation will never know the joy of drum brakes and bias ply tires :)
@rarecars3336
@rarecars3336 Жыл бұрын
USE THIS AS THE CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM THREAD! I have been reading through the comments of the last videos and noted all the critiques and tried to implement the following changes: 1. I removed the hard coded subtitles 2. I tried to slow down my speaking, annunciate better and I added larger pauses between sentences so things don’t seem like one large run on sentence 3. I added images and animated them to make them a bit more engaging than just a regular image. 4. I used shorter clips and more different clips to make the video more visually engaging. I know the microphone settings in this video are a tad bit peaky at certain points so I apologize, I just got a new PC to edit and haven’t nailed the settings yet but I’m working on it! Any other critiques you have please feel free to leave them here. Also please mention and other Cheetah related facts here, it’s difficult to find a lot of info on this car! Thanks everyone for watching though, 1,000 subs in a month is crazy!
@omegapolat
@omegapolat Жыл бұрын
your speak being speedy sometimes in this video, but i know you will slow it too in the future.
@rileyberkowitz
@rileyberkowitz Жыл бұрын
This video is a huge improvement to what I already thought was great content! Your videos are so unique and high quality and it's awesome to see a creator taking criticism so well. Keep it up!
@rarecars3336
@rarecars3336 Жыл бұрын
@@rileyberkowitz thank you for the kind words, I’m just trying to make good content that people enjoy!
@brianmorgan4678
@brianmorgan4678 Жыл бұрын
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@garyallen8869
@garyallen8869 Жыл бұрын
Using other people's videos without permission is not the way to go about putting together an informative video, the black cheetah that I am tuning would be one example, try asking people rather than copying their videos, I happen to have an extensive knowledge of Cheetah's both original, and continuations, but since you didn't do the right thing, you'll have to keep searchin
@rientsdijkstra4266
@rientsdijkstra4266 Жыл бұрын
1500lbs = about 675kg. That is already remarkable, but nearly unbelievable with a heavy cast iron "small" block V8 on board.
@monkeyearcheese420
@monkeyearcheese420 Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure a stock beetle is around 1600 lbs. That's insane power to weight in the cheetah
@Thumper68
@Thumper68 Жыл бұрын
Small block Chevy not that heavy really and much more compact then even new v8 engines
@rientsdijkstra4266
@rientsdijkstra4266 Жыл бұрын
@@Thumper68 Old style "Small block" Chevy is still an iron v8 lump of about 5.7 litres or so that weighs about 350 to 450 lbs depending on the spec. In European perspective that is an enormous and very heavy engine, even if it is relatively compact. Of course modern chevy v8's like the LS3 and later versions are a bit lighter because they are constructed from aluminium, but that is not the case here.
@zztop7306
@zztop7306 Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure why the quotes for small. The block size has nothing to do with the overall cubic inch of the engine.
@rientsdijkstra4266
@rientsdijkstra4266 Жыл бұрын
@@zztop7306 The quotes around the small are there because the Small Block is only small when compared to the Big Block, but compared to most European engines it is still very big AND heavy. And by the way: cubic inch and (minimum) block size actually ARE related. Cubic inches are bore x stroke and these determine both the height of the cylinder block(s) and the minimum spacing between the cylinders and thus the minimum length of the block (together with other parameters, such as the amount of spacing between the cylinders, etc. )
@timheidel5849
@timheidel5849 Жыл бұрын
I seem to recall an episode of the show "Billions" where the main character ("Bobby Axelrod") is walking through his car collection, with a red Cheetah at the center of his collection. He also mentions that he is a billionaire who has everything a man can buy, including a Cheetah.
@rarecars3336
@rarecars3336 Жыл бұрын
Now that is a cool reference!
@doug3805
@doug3805 Жыл бұрын
The Shelby is pure art, but the Cheetah is something else. Nice video
@ChadGerstmeyer-vr1sg
@ChadGerstmeyer-vr1sg Жыл бұрын
The Cheetah was a death trap! Chevy saw it and wanted nothing to do with it.
@roadragerescues
@roadragerescues Жыл бұрын
Ralph Salyer not Sayler. From Hammond Indiana. Gene Crowe was his mechanic and together they built and raced the Cheetah known as the Cro-Sal Special. Also they raced Oldsmobile powered CanAm cars. Very cool history there.
@johnkemas7344
@johnkemas7344 Жыл бұрын
I remember the Cheetahs! As a kid I had several Cheeta slot cars 1/24 and 1/32 scale. They were great too! Certainly a sweet ride!
@39KHall
@39KHall Жыл бұрын
Cool. I had a Thunderjet 500 (HO) Cheetah when I was a kid.
@johnkemas7344
@johnkemas7344 Жыл бұрын
I had the Aurora HO sot cars too, but never could find the Cheetah. I did have 2 - 63 Split widow Vettes though in the Auroras. Good old days! I live in Pittsburgh and can't find any slot car tracks at all anymore and few privately owned ones either. the last commericial one was at a big big hobby shop and it wnet out of business 5 years ago. Sad days!!
@blastingcapps4341
@blastingcapps4341 Жыл бұрын
​@@johnkemas7344check out Mark's model World Canton Ohio might be worth the drive
@thewatcher5271
@thewatcher5271 Жыл бұрын
Hey Man, You Were Lucky! I Always Wanted A 1/32 Scale Slot Car But I Ended Up With The Aurora HO Track Which I Still Have Somewhere In The Attic. Thank You.
@johnkemas7344
@johnkemas7344 Жыл бұрын
@@thewatcher5271 I was lucky enough to live close to 3 commercial pay to play tracks in the 60's in the Pittsburgh, PA area. My Dad would take me but I had to pay the track fees with my allowances and earnings from cutting neighbors grass etc. Lot of fun in those days!! But it was still pricey. Built my own cars with brass tubing and a frame jig and bought the car body t my local hobby shop. Damn ..... $3.00 was a lot of money in those days!!
@monkeyearcheese420
@monkeyearcheese420 Жыл бұрын
This was one of my favorite hot wheels when I was a kid. So aggressive looking
@E.T.GARAGE
@E.T.GARAGE Жыл бұрын
The more I think about the Cheetah the more it resembles a sprint car packaged differently.
@keithlenzner
@keithlenzner Жыл бұрын
We built a Triumph. A 350 Chevy motor, 4 speed Olds automatic trans. We ended up with a 1" long driveshaft. At least we didn't have to balance it.
@neorandy
@neorandy Жыл бұрын
It’s great to finally know the history of the orange car, my favorite, that I ran on my racetrack that Christmas morning many years ago. I’m guessing it was about 1966 when I was 10.
@bradsanders6954
@bradsanders6954 Жыл бұрын
I had an HO slot car track as a young kid, the Cheetah was my favorite car for sure. 50 some years later I have an all digital german made slot car track upstairs. What did I order for it first? A Cheetah of course, ending up with 2 of them. They are 1/32 to exact scale so they're small compared to other 1/32 cars. They fly!
@TamTran-vw7zm
@TamTran-vw7zm Жыл бұрын
This car was a dismal failure from its inception. From its drum brakes to its wildly overheating cockpit, it was half-baked and broke almost every time it ran--esp against the cobras. I always felt sorry for the underappreciated Jerry Titus who got saddled with driving it. Finally Talph Salyer cut the entire roof from his trying to survive the heat. And that car I saw launch its flywheel into the air like a giant lethal discus.
@freedom_323
@freedom_323 Жыл бұрын
As a child in the 60s growing up in Northern Virginia inside the Beltway, there were many Pentagon based Military as well as FT. Belvoire, who had returned from Combat duty , and they bought bad ass cars, I got to see Cobras, Shelby Mustangs, Jaguar's etc.. Not to say they were EVERYWHERE, they were the once a week rare sightings that all of us car crazy kids looked for....it was an awesome decade in many regards
@XrayxRich
@XrayxRich Жыл бұрын
One of the Firestone kids had one when I was at Parsons' college in 1966. That thing was a real beast.
@Loulovesspeed
@Loulovesspeed Жыл бұрын
A design that was sketched out in chalk on the floor, then built of aluminum which was hammered around a wooden buck. Sound familiar? Exactly the way the World Championship Cobra Daytona Coupe was created by Peter Brock! The Cheetah got a lot of people excited at first as it looked like the car that could do what no one else could do....reel in the Cobra. But it turned out to be another example that looked good on paper, but just never got engineered to the point where it was practical. If there is such a thing as being overpowered, the Cheetah was first in class. Trying to effectively control that much power on such a small wheelbase coupled with an ineffective chassis and suspension helped to doom the car. The fire at the Cheetah factory was the final blow for this ill conceived machine. It never amounted to a Cobra killer after all. RIP Cheetah. The Shelby Cobra still rules! 🤠 🏆 🏁
@rickyrobertson9874
@rickyrobertson9874 Жыл бұрын
Being born in '59 I know that it is better than I know, watching this period come into it's OWN!
@Thomas-pq4ys
@Thomas-pq4ys Жыл бұрын
As a kid, I loved the look of the Cheetah. I built a slot car with a vacuum formed Cheetah body. I couldn't wait to get home from school to work on it. When done, it was fast. I won a lot of races. What was cool about this slot car was that when accelerating out of a corner, it'd pull a partial wheelie, impressing onlookers. My father, a meticulous craftsman, would wonder that my cobbled together creations were so fast, handled well.... eat my dust dad. I never knew the history of the Cheetah. Thanks for this.
@jimiverson3085
@jimiverson3085 Жыл бұрын
The Cheetah did have some fame at the time. Stromberg made slot cars using Cheetah body shapes over the slot car chassis. I had one in my collection as a kid.
@MrBinnie824
@MrBinnie824 Жыл бұрын
Love the content bud. Binged all your vids while I was out on a run. Excited for more vids on quirky cars.
@rarecars3336
@rarecars3336 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for watching, glad you enjoyed them!
@sfeddie1
@sfeddie1 Жыл бұрын
Back in the mid 60's I was well into the burgeoning slot car hobby. When the the Cox Cheetah kits and clear plastic Cheetah bodies came out, I was fell in love with the body shape of the Cheetah. I hadn't yet learned about the Cheetahs being built as the "Cobra killer", I just knew that the this was the most beautiful race car I had ever seen. I built many a Cheetah slot car racer back then. Fast forward to the early 2000's when slot cars were kind of making a somewhat of a comeback, I got back into the the hobby. Along with the current super-slick bodied cars, I still built a few Cheetahs using the clear bodies I had kept since the 60's. They weren't competitive, but I didn't care. So long as they ran fast and handled well......good enough. My bucket list? To be able to one day drive a real Cheetah. Maybe around a race track, not fast enough to kill myself but to experience the thrill of it all. Yeah!
@timhallas4275
@timhallas4275 Жыл бұрын
I built a plastic model kit called "Cheetah" in the mid 60s. I never knew it was a real car.
@ablejack3
@ablejack3 Жыл бұрын
Same. Well, I didn't have a model kit to build but I had a few different scale Cheetah model/toy cars. The funny thing is - I wasn't crazy about them. While they were cool, I preferred the toy cars based on actual cars. I too thought the Cheetah was only a fantasy design. 😄
@markhale8084
@markhale8084 Жыл бұрын
The Cheetah was planned to compete against 289 Cobra, not 427. No matter as it was never a production car so couldn’t compete in production sports car classes. While I love the Cheetah, comparing a purpose built race car to a production sports car regardless of the original plan is pretty worthless.
@idesantiago
@idesantiago Жыл бұрын
@8:01 structural rigidity can not be affected if you do not have any to start with. Might as well do a convertible.
@caribman10
@caribman10 Жыл бұрын
Thus, the Cro-Sal Cheetah...
@Turbo4Joe363
@Turbo4Joe363 Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't be surprised if some Cheetah owner swapped in a junkyard 5.3 LS....😂 Yeah, I'll take a 427 Cobra!
@oldhick9047
@oldhick9047 Жыл бұрын
Design and putting that design into practice are two very different things.
@fredtedstedman
@fredtedstedman Жыл бұрын
beautiful car - never seen this before !
@rpols22
@rpols22 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Always wanted to know more about the cheetah. Had GM put more thought and effort into this, this car would have destroyed the Shelby Cobra. With that insane power to weight ratio, it would have walked away from the Cobra. But of course..... As usual.... GM just had to protect its beloved corvette.
@joshuagibson2520
@joshuagibson2520 Жыл бұрын
Bingo. I'm an old school fbody gm guy. As much as I love the C2 AND C3 as well, GM really fucked themselves many times because of the "beloved corvette". Fuck corvette.
@georgeburns7251
@georgeburns7251 Жыл бұрын
I remember watching one of these attempt to race at Laguna Seca in the early sixties. It looked good until it attempted to keep up with the other cars. It was obvious it couldn’t handle corners or the straights. Bill should have stuck with Vettes
@Motor-City-Mike
@Motor-City-Mike Жыл бұрын
I don't understand why you would compare the GT40 to the Cheetah financially - or in any way for that matter. It was NOT a Shelby, Nor a Cobra. The FORD GT40 was a car entirely financed by FORD because it was a FORD, Shelby only served as a contractor brought in to aid in the cars development. So the comparison (or contrast) is the equivalent of comparing apples to hand grenades. I loved the Cheetah nearly as much as the 427 Cobra (the 289 cars don't figure here), but the Cheetah didn't "CRUSH" the Cobra, nor was it developed to the point it could. Your manipulation of the facts is spotty - though in the interest of creating content I suppose facts are irrelevant.
@garyallen8869
@garyallen8869 Жыл бұрын
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@AynManRand
@AynManRand Жыл бұрын
This was my favorite hot wheel
@stevedeleon8775
@stevedeleon8775 Жыл бұрын
Pretty much 4 out of 5 Shelby Cobras I've seen in shows are Kit Car Replicas..
@gavinvalentino6002
@gavinvalentino6002 Жыл бұрын
4 out of five? So of the car shows you've attended, 20% of the Cobras have been authentic multi-multi-million$$$ rarities? Nope.
@jimandnancymcoil
@jimandnancymcoil Жыл бұрын
@@gavinvalentino6002 At a Carlisle Kit Car Show, 10/15 years ago, a guy from N.H., brought 2 Cheetahs, they were in the Big Red Barn, I walked around them everyday, talked to the owner< nice guy? I happened to catch him loading up or unloading, I forgot? I did 100 shows at Carlisle in 10 years as a AMSOIL Dealer, saw 100's of Cobras, But, only 2 Cheetahs!!
@Turbo4Joe363
@Turbo4Joe363 Жыл бұрын
That's because there weren't many real Cobras made.... And the real ones cost MILLIONS.
@skaldlouiscyphre2453
@skaldlouiscyphre2453 Жыл бұрын
If 20% of the Cobras you've seen were real, you're doing pretty well. Hell, if they're not cobbled together out of Fox body parts you're doing decent.
@FSEVENMAN
@FSEVENMAN Жыл бұрын
Since everyone knows about the Shelby Cobra and they're all over the place these days and there aren't any cheetahs I'm thinking things didn't really work out for the cheetah. It completely failed at putting the Cobra in its place.
@mountainskys
@mountainskys Жыл бұрын
Read the history of it. It wasn't Bill Thomas' fault. Little to no support from Chevrolet was a huge burden. There is a fantastic Cheetah kit car available today (Shell Valley) for those that still dream of going fast.
@philking7805
@philking7805 Жыл бұрын
Cobra's aren't "all over the place" but replicas are
@ScooterLee-ei1ep
@ScooterLee-ei1ep Жыл бұрын
Well they weren’t allowed too
@ScooterLee-ei1ep
@ScooterLee-ei1ep Жыл бұрын
Look into why ford “donated” money to the SCCA and there were rule changes. And yes then Shelby saw the cheetah run he was scared.
@timmcfarland2853
@timmcfarland2853 Жыл бұрын
​@@philking7805Cobra replicas are but you don't see many Daytonas, which is more comparable to the Cheetah. The Ford SOHC 427 was one of the best designed engines ever built for racing.
@Thumper68
@Thumper68 Жыл бұрын
Carol Shelby didn’t originally build the GT-40 he came on to help fix it after.
@willstikken5619
@willstikken5619 Жыл бұрын
I always loved these cars. It is a shame they didn't receive a little more engineering support which could have elevated this car to legendary status. I often wonder how well the Cheetah Evolution addresses these short comings.
@skaldlouiscyphre2453
@skaldlouiscyphre2453 Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure the wheelbase was a big part of the problem with how these cars handled. They like to spin.
@willstikken5619
@willstikken5619 Жыл бұрын
@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 So, for some reason you imagine the wheelbase is what makes the cars spin and creates their handling problems? Ignoring that the Cobra as an identical wheelbase you think this is the problem and not the balance of the car or the suspension geometry but the wheelbase? If that were true it would equate to saying the issues are all driver error...
@skaldlouiscyphre2453
@skaldlouiscyphre2453 Жыл бұрын
@@willstikken5619 I'm just repeating Mark Donohue's insights about the car. He's not really known for driver error.
@messyg-tar2251
@messyg-tar2251 Жыл бұрын
​@@willstikken5619 come now. That attitude is not needed
@willstikken5619
@willstikken5619 Жыл бұрын
@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 I suspect you're missing some context there. The wheelbase alone is not a cause of the problem no matter which driver you parrot.
@gulgul2006
@gulgul2006 Жыл бұрын
The Bill Thomas Cheetah. When almost is enough.
@chawenhalo0089
@chawenhalo0089 Жыл бұрын
This dude sounds like like Mike from Bug Muscle. Legend!
@ChadGeidel
@ChadGeidel Жыл бұрын
This is such an awesome story! Thank you!
@josefolsson5343
@josefolsson5343 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for an interesting documentary short about this car! Think I saw a video with this car many years ago, but with the v8 being replaced by a v16!
@rarecars3336
@rarecars3336 Жыл бұрын
I think I saw a video about a cheetah getting a v12 but I never heard of someone v16 swapping one 😱
@bunsonhoneydew9099
@bunsonhoneydew9099 Жыл бұрын
I always wondered what would happen if the transmission was hooked directly to the differential with one u-joint.
@jackylsmith8138
@jackylsmith8138 Жыл бұрын
The TVR Griffith and the cheetah were very similar in design at the same time. Got to love a small block American V8 in a small lightweight body.
@jamesharrison6201
@jamesharrison6201 Жыл бұрын
Never lived up to hopes. It was called FLEXIBLE FLYER because the frame was not rigid enough
@lovehistory5305
@lovehistory5305 Жыл бұрын
Would have been a great car if Goverment Motors helped fund it.
@christophecamus3295
@christophecamus3295 Жыл бұрын
Cool looking car
@Retroscoop
@Retroscoop Жыл бұрын
The De Tomaso Mangusta too was developed to "eat" Cobra's, the Mangusta being the natural enemy n° 1 of Cobra's. So, the name choosen was no coïncident. Whether De Tomaso fulfilled its ambition, I'll leave that to others to comment on....
@rarecars3336
@rarecars3336 Жыл бұрын
The mangusta is a cool car, I like pretty much all the cars De Tomaso made!
@Pulsonar
@Pulsonar Жыл бұрын
If you crash in that Cheetah thing your body will involuntarily donate organs, get cremated and buried at the same time.
@rarecars3336
@rarecars3336 Жыл бұрын
TRUE lol
@kenxiong6830
@kenxiong6830 Жыл бұрын
Beast of a machine but never given an opportunity.
@charlespitts5901
@charlespitts5901 Жыл бұрын
I watched one race at Riverside International Raceway back in the day,,,
@monnimonnickendam7289
@monnimonnickendam7289 Жыл бұрын
When it comes to legendary cars - trust a chicken farmer.
@rarecars3336
@rarecars3336 Жыл бұрын
LOL so true
@jamesweaver1738
@jamesweaver1738 Жыл бұрын
I always loved this car.
@0Sirk0
@0Sirk0 Жыл бұрын
That #92 Cheetah looks an awful lot like a C3 Corvette. *LOL*
@jcchristopher7827
@jcchristopher7827 Жыл бұрын
What ever happened to the Pontiac Corvette and it's racing version had the straight six etc. I can't remember the name of it but I remember when I was five years old seeing them and loved them
@joestephan1111
@joestephan1111 Жыл бұрын
What you call weird combination of parts is how it was done back then. Engineering & design was a far cry from today's. Shelby would have gotten no where with out Ford's money. Ford asked him to take over the GT-40 program after initial builder Lola Cars in England first built designed & built it. Ford took it "in house" but was getting nowhere with it.
@stanleykemp3979
@stanleykemp3979 Жыл бұрын
glad someone finally gave credit to the Lola as being the grand daddy of the LM winnner!
@joestephan1111
@joestephan1111 Жыл бұрын
@@stanleykemp3979 Lola started the project on is own, however, being a small company they didn't have the kind of cash needed to fully develop it. With Ford showing increasing interest they purchased the program and brought it "in house". Ford greatly improved things but we're caught up in that time old trap if you spend a lot of money you get an instant winner. They were already working with Shelby and after seeing his kind of results based on racing smarts it was only a natural they commissioned him to take over. The rest is history.
@joestephan1111
@joestephan1111 Жыл бұрын
@@stanleykemp3979 Thank you. Having been around back then I enjoy "educating" the younger racing generation. I'm now doing a monthly online column and have begun work on a book of racing memoirs.
@ohbromo
@ohbromo Жыл бұрын
I believe the Cat-A-Pult Hot Wherls car was heavily based on the Cheetah
@blakeabraham4050
@blakeabraham4050 Жыл бұрын
This car reminds me of darkwing duck cartoon in the 90s.
@gregkistner1955
@gregkistner1955 Жыл бұрын
A great story!
@samsonian
@samsonian Жыл бұрын
@9:00 I’m not 100% sure, but I can definitely say without much doubt that roll bar has to be in the top 3 of pointless executions (or in other words, guaranteed to RESULT in an execution during any serious crash). Well, except if you’re under 5’ tall, I guess.
@baronoflivonia.3512
@baronoflivonia.3512 Ай бұрын
No comparison between this and Cobra, as Cobra was a AC Ace frame, suspension and body, with Ford Engines. Much as several cars manufactured in UK had American V8's from several Brands. Daimler and Jenson were the well known examples.
@mikecone4049
@mikecone4049 Жыл бұрын
Maybe the history of the hemi back to the 231
@gavinvalentino6002
@gavinvalentino6002 Жыл бұрын
*Thank god for a red arrow in the thumbnail, just like every other channel overusing silly red arrows since around 2002.*
@kennykendall9916
@kennykendall9916 Жыл бұрын
Was blessed with a Cox Cheetah slot car in my young days . Cox car hade a magnesium frame , Dad put a bigger motor . Many years later I saw a Cheetah on a trailer coming out a storage unit in Windsor Ca. Where is that car now ???
@LordMekanicus
@LordMekanicus Жыл бұрын
By comparison, our Bocars are much like the Cheetah, albeit several years earlier than even the Cobra. Glass body, tube chassis, Z06 powered, with the engine so far back that the driveshaft is 13" long. Engine is also offset to the right by and inch and three quarters for proper balance fore, aft, and laterally with a 170 pound driver., Brakes are 12" Buick Alfins, suspension is a weird combo of whatever could be sourced but most commonly VW front and live axle rear using a VW rear torsion bar for springs and the lower link in a fourlink.
@carlinshowalter1806
@carlinshowalter1806 Жыл бұрын
Why would someone put a crap VW suspension on a tube frame?
@LordMekanicus
@LordMekanicus Жыл бұрын
Apparently because it was light, and cheap at the junkyards. Some bocars had a Jag front, one had 300SL, one of ours has DB Panhard, but most were Type 1 VW. Atleast it's stiff.
@skaldlouiscyphre2453
@skaldlouiscyphre2453 Жыл бұрын
@@LordMekanicus I had to search what a Bocar was but they sound pretty interesting.
@LordMekanicus
@LordMekanicus Жыл бұрын
Glad you had a peek! I posted Sn. .007 on my channel many moons ago. 007 is the car with DB Panhard front and leafspring rear. Scary machine, but even the Porsche 911 RSR guys hate me. The big Buick brakes allowed me to dive under and beat a '75 RSR into and out of three consecutive corners on two separate laps at HPR in 2011. Needless to say I got protested. He was my best friend after I made him crack a wheel off and stare at that big aluminum drum.
@skaldlouiscyphre2453
@skaldlouiscyphre2453 Жыл бұрын
@@LordMekanicus How much fade do the drums get, compared to a disk brake setup?
@michaelwallis56
@michaelwallis56 Жыл бұрын
Stunning looks, but that won’t get it around corners
@pdexBigTeacher
@pdexBigTeacher Жыл бұрын
Wow; so that HotWheel I have is an actual car!
@Scramblerkidd
@Scramblerkidd Жыл бұрын
Mysterious fire my rear. I’m sure Shelby and or Ford felt threatened by the Cheetah.
@mikecone4049
@mikecone4049 Жыл бұрын
Thunderbolt :)
@rarecars3336
@rarecars3336 Жыл бұрын
A great topic idea!
@TheBallls
@TheBallls Жыл бұрын
Cool looking car. Great concept. But...never ever cruched the Cobra. Should say "What if The Car Designed To CRUSH the Shelby Cobra - The 1964 Bill Thomas Cheetah". They should have never gave up on it.
@mrfawkes9110
@mrfawkes9110 Жыл бұрын
Well it's definitely not as sexy as the Cobra. This thing's actually pretty goofy looking to me, but super cool none the less.
@rarecars3336
@rarecars3336 Жыл бұрын
I think if it was like 6 inches longer it would look less goofy
@chuckwhitson654
@chuckwhitson654 Жыл бұрын
The coolest looking car ever. Not a good race car, not a good driver, just way cool to look at
@raginroadrunner
@raginroadrunner Жыл бұрын
The Cheetah fizzled.
@Stevespoken
@Stevespoken Жыл бұрын
I had one those it went like hell yeah 1/24 scale slot car
@hansdomke89
@hansdomke89 Жыл бұрын
Ooh I love the Cheetah. Great improvement on this video!
@rarecars3336
@rarecars3336 Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I am glad you liked it 😀
@freman007
@freman007 Жыл бұрын
Now I really want a Cheetah. Lighter and smaller than a Cobra, with all the power that could be wrung out of a small block Chevrolet. Heck, use a modern aluminium block for even less weight. 1400 pounds with 500 horsepower, anyone? The only thing I can think of comparable would be a Lotus 7 replica that someone shoehorned a very hot Mazda rotary into.
@freman007
@freman007 Жыл бұрын
Here's one. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2LIeqCGj6ekeJI
@rdt1104
@rdt1104 Жыл бұрын
Good looking car
@captainchaos3053
@captainchaos3053 Жыл бұрын
My mini cooper weighs 1321lbs with a full tank. It's got 61ci (997cc) engine putting out 91hp and 86lb-ft and it's stock standard the way my grandfather bought it in 1960s no upgrades except the modern battery and I wouldn't swap it for 10 cheetahs. These things could never compete with an AC cobra.
@caribman10
@caribman10 Жыл бұрын
Anybody here ever been in a Cheetah? Really hard to get into and out of vehicle; if it's on its roof, your only way out is through the windshield. It takes about 20 seconds to get into it if you're fast. A truly dangerous vehicle even for a race car. That said, any transmission or clutch problems you might have will require you to have thought of and installed a scattershield, since you are sitting almost on the differential and have the transmission, flywheeel et al at about your thigh/knee area.
@mikeholland1031
@mikeholland1031 Жыл бұрын
Then don't flip it over
@MrMakemyday3
@MrMakemyday3 Жыл бұрын
actually had some studebaker brake parts
@darthdaddy6983
@darthdaddy6983 Жыл бұрын
For this car only , that H&M add was sort of appropriate , we’ll let it slide 😂
@andykerr3803
@andykerr3803 Жыл бұрын
Fun video 👍
@jongallant6054
@jongallant6054 Жыл бұрын
However things didn’t turn out the way they imagined it would. 😂
@guyforlogos
@guyforlogos Жыл бұрын
Comparing the Cheetah to the Cobra is common, but not a good comparison, the Cheetah is a one off non production car built to race with only a few built to meet the homologation rules. The Cobra was a full production street car, many were built through the years by Shelby/ford and could be bought in select Ford dealerships, most were built for the street. About 100 were built to race.
@RussellBond-b3z
@RussellBond-b3z Жыл бұрын
I have ale love the Cheetah , James (Jim) Garner had a baby blue one he raced for several years pretty successfully
@donaldgrant9067
@donaldgrant9067 Жыл бұрын
These were all coming out at the end of road racing. As the SCCA made it more and more expensive to race these cars with rules like a certain gas tank and all the rest. This is the reason we don't have much road racing in America today and of those they are just shows, not really racing. Plus you add in that the rich started buying victories and then the sport was doomed.
@conniechamberlain6586
@conniechamberlain6586 Жыл бұрын
you have to finish a race to win a race.
@videogamingvideos
@videogamingvideos Жыл бұрын
3:09 Supra mk4 safety car
@ericdary8041
@ericdary8041 Жыл бұрын
I may be new here but, wouldn’t that make it mid-engine?
@markwilliams5606
@markwilliams5606 Жыл бұрын
Legendary 🇺🇸🏁🏆 Chevrolet
@artmchugh5644
@artmchugh5644 Жыл бұрын
Years ago I made a delivery to a garage near me , the owner was well off and in the back room on the way out was a cheetah!!! He was shocked that I knew what it was!!!!😊😊😊😊😊😊
@charleswaynewright2042
@charleswaynewright2042 Жыл бұрын
This is not the only dud connected to GM that's why Ford made history while GM left fans with fantasy
@Tee-roni
@Tee-roni Жыл бұрын
The question is,is it faster than a Shelby Daytona 🤔
@YouveBeenMiddled
@YouveBeenMiddled Жыл бұрын
Paging Factory Five Racing, Factory Five Racing to the courtesy phone please.
@mgguygardening
@mgguygardening Жыл бұрын
I've always loved the Cheetah!
@jamestazewell2435
@jamestazewell2435 Жыл бұрын
Big talk for a car that never got anywhere . Never did crush the cobras
@kelvinmann1058
@kelvinmann1058 Жыл бұрын
Not to mention the Cobra is way Sexier.
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