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@davidlafleche1142Ай бұрын
Look up the Chrysler Norseman. It was a concept car that Chrysler hired out to Italian designers. The prototype was built and fully functional. Unfortunately, it was lost in the sinking of the Andrea Doria.
@andyharman30222 ай бұрын
The Banshee, by far. I worked at the GM Powertrain center for two years. It used to be Pontiac Headquarters before GM reorganized in the 1980's and got rid of the autonomous divisions. But even then, there was still a lot of Pontiac memorabilia hanging on the walls of the building. There was still a large, framed picture of the Banshee in what used to the be the main entrance foyer off of Joslyn Ave. Apparently there was a lot of lingering memories of the Banshee's cancellation. Now that there are rumors of the Pontiac nameplate being revived, I'm dreaming about a modern version of the Banshee. Since the Corvette has gone upmarket with the mid-engine version, there is now room for a front-engine, rear-drive two-seater in the GM lineup.
@serfcityherewecome8069Ай бұрын
Yep. I wouldn't even take a new C8 for free...being unable to do your own shifting in a Corvette is beyond ludicrous. 🤮
@mikeb.7589Ай бұрын
I remember that Hot Wheels made a Banshee toy car. Wish I still had it.
@Zzus3212 ай бұрын
The Firebird always looked better than the Camero to me.
@rarecars33362 ай бұрын
67-69 I like the Camaro more. 70-78 I say the firebird is better personally
@negativeindustrial2 ай бұрын
They always looked like the same car to me. The TransAm was a performance package that also added some aero components that did significantly change the appearance to my eyes. My brother owned a series of Camaros and TransAms, one of each generation from the 1980s on, and we grew up racing them against a series of Toyota Supras I owned.
@williamhershey97132 ай бұрын
Camaro!
@neal64732 ай бұрын
Of course because of the chicken decal on the hood but without it they are almost the same looking car.
@Zzus3212 ай бұрын
@@neal6473 That Chicken decal made them cars 40 MPH faster 🇺🇸💪🏁
@earlrichardson3852 ай бұрын
As a Pontiac guy I love this video.
@rarecars33362 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it- thanks for watching!!
@mgguyvintagevehicles2 ай бұрын
That Pegasus was definitely cool, I've never seen or heard of it before.
@rarecars33362 ай бұрын
Right!? A V12 under the hood is just bonkers for that car
@joshuafrahm87782 ай бұрын
The Farago kind of reminds me of the Lamborghini Espada
@oldrrocrАй бұрын
also the Maserati Ghibli of the 60s
@2the4best2 ай бұрын
The Banshee with an OHC Inline 6 would been the best choice for an Econo-Corvette. The design reminds me of the Opel sports car of that era.
@radjeck93462 ай бұрын
Yep , Opel GT . The Europa Corvette 😊 .
@oldrrocrАй бұрын
yep, GM cancelled the Banshee... yet went on to give us the Fiero and Soltice.
@kerrypierre94942 ай бұрын
Great episode, l love the lines of the Banshee. I think that if it had made it into production, Corvette sales would have definitely taken a hit.
@rarecars33362 ай бұрын
For sure even if it had just the 6, it still was such a looker it has to have impacted vette sales if it got greenlit
@serfcityherewecome8069Ай бұрын
It would've only been fair that it stole sales from Chevy since THEY literally ripped off the ENTIRE design for their C3.
@vanpenguin222 ай бұрын
The paint on that Pegasus is to die for!
@rarecars33362 ай бұрын
Lovely color - I prefer it without the pinstripes that were later added to it though but that is just me
@vanpenguin222 ай бұрын
@rarecars3336 There is something to he said for pure, uninterrupted color
@keinname62912 күн бұрын
Farago: cool & really exotic (you could easily chop off 1 foot in front)!
@minnesotatomcat2 ай бұрын
Pontiac would have been so much better if they weren’t under GM. They were so creative but gm wouldn’t let them outdo their stupid beloved Corvette.
@jamestuckerrealtor92532 ай бұрын
Yeah but Pontiac wouldn’t have existed without GM and when Delorean left to go build his company and his car, Pontiac was cursed. The division never recovered and none of the executives wanted to go near the Pontiac C-suite even to pee. GM should have folded the whole works into Chevrolet the day John D left.
@jamestuckerrealtor92532 ай бұрын
Yeah but Pontiac wouldn’t have existed without GM and when Delorean left to go build his company and his car, Pontiac was cursed. The division never recovered and none of the executives wanted to go near the Pontiac C-suite even to pee. GM should have folded the whole works into Chevrolet the day John D left.
@roaddemon200112 ай бұрын
Nope .. Humbert designed the firebird and the 77 Trans Am. Chevrolet shot Pontiac down every chance they had when it came to Performance and Design. Ever wonder why you can put a 350 in a Fiero? The 30th anniversary Trans Am outperformed the Camaro. The solstice was designed for V8. It's hard to build performance when you're handed crap overused platforms like GM's U platform. 9 or 10 body styles before pontiac was forced to add 1 more creating the Aztec? I wouldn't have put much thought into it either...
@Peter-w2e2 ай бұрын
Farago front end looks like an anteater.
@samspade86122 ай бұрын
I'll bet DeLorean was thinking Banshee with an aluminum RAM AIR V!!!
@antoniotutt48942 ай бұрын
Wow! That would have been unbeatable!
@serfcityherewecome8069Ай бұрын
Or 455SD...or the old DOHC 428 or 366 NASCAR engines which never made it into production.
@mperuski1002 ай бұрын
The Pontiac Banshee XP-833 was a missed opportunity. What a Gem.
@serfcityherewecome8069Ай бұрын
That's what happens when you allow GM to be run by people literally obsessed with keeping everything slower than the Corvette instead of simply trying to make EVERYTHING FASTER through COMPETITION. And we see the results today, with the company having gone from onetime world dominance to total irrelevance.
@Mr.Higginbotham2 ай бұрын
The Pontiac Phantom is my favorite hands down.
@nicknaumovic89432 ай бұрын
The Pegasus for sure!
@rarecars33362 ай бұрын
Great looking car I agree!
@OLDS982 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for the Pontiac video. This was informative. I recall most of these. They woild have indeed put some excitement into Pontiac as a brand. They were held back by other GM brands for the looks of these concepts.
@danielfox30032 ай бұрын
That Pegasus is beautiful, my favorite of the five.
@rarecars33362 ай бұрын
Same - like it shouldn’t work well design wise but it does
@robertbelote52732 ай бұрын
@@rarecars3336ever seen the copper caddy on the kindig show? Think I know where that inspiration came from . Great video, thank you.
@STB-jh7od2 ай бұрын
phantom is gorgeous!
@redjupiter22 ай бұрын
I think you should have included the 1989 Fiero prototype. Especially since the Fiero is now quite a collectible special interest car.
@serfcityherewecome8069Ай бұрын
Yep ..I've been loading up on them recently tryna corner the Fiero market while people still think they're worthless.😜
@epicseadragon16922 ай бұрын
They all look great, but I seem to have a soft spot for the Farago... I also love the idea of a "mini-vette"!
@Profabdesigns2 ай бұрын
The only problem with reviving the brand is to me, the executives now days only care about the bottom line-MONEY. Not to mention we do not produce engineers or designers like they used have. Everything looks the same today, and the styling isn’t what it used to be. If cars were able to get back the magic that once was they maybe it might fly. I grew up in the 60’s when one in the neighborhood got a new car/truck it brought out the neighbors and it was an event we gather in. It was cool.
@serfcityherewecome8069Ай бұрын
Exactly...we saw the tragic results when they tried to bring back the "GTO"...and who can ever forget the mind-bending horror of the late '80s when they tried to bring back the "LeMans" badge. 🤮🤮🤮🤮
@PocketChangeInspectorАй бұрын
I liked back then how you can order a car they way you wanted instead of picking from 3 trim levels today. You also had a color chart to pick from instead with 4Xs or 5Xs as many colors as today.
@mikerainville61682 ай бұрын
Pegasus for sure that would have been a great to see in production.
@jeffreyrubish3472 ай бұрын
I can imagine Sinatra driving a Stratostar.
@joshhaggin30902 ай бұрын
The Banshee would be an amazing car like how my Miata is. That light even low HP numbers and it is still fun to drive. If the handling was good then it would be a fun car.
@rarecars33362 ай бұрын
Yeah 160ish hp with such a light weight would have still been fun - American customers back then though desperately wanted that V8
@tkskagen2 ай бұрын
The 2nd generation Firebird & Camero (especially the Firebird 6.6L T/A) are the most beautiful vehicles ever due to the nose "radiator intake" of the vehicle.
@rarecars33362 ай бұрын
I agree the 2nd gen’s with that European design flair they have do look great 👍
@PocketChangeInspectorАй бұрын
I never had a Firebird but had a '70 Camaro. My favorite body style of all of them.
@ronaldlingle87662 ай бұрын
I would have to say the banshee myself.
@kerrypierre94942 ай бұрын
Agree 💯, to me it just has a balanced look.
@rarecars33362 ай бұрын
It is a great looking car, no doubt about it. Thanks for watching!!!
@SUNUVAGUN2 ай бұрын
How are we all ignoring the C3 Corvette similarities of the Banshee?
@lib5562 ай бұрын
That's exactly what I was about to post. The Banshee was 66 and the C3 came out in 68 (?). I'd say that Corvette ripped off the styling of the Banshee for the C3. It obviously inspired the Opel GT as well... Opel being GM in Germany...
@radjeck93462 ай бұрын
Yep 🇩🇪
@KhaoticKalm2 ай бұрын
@@lib556exactly, GM stiffs went into Delorian’s office and said “no competition to the vet allowed” and took the designs which became the C3.
@remmor6692 ай бұрын
As always, great video! Thank you!
@grimmerjxcts22062 ай бұрын
Rip Pontiac
@rarecars33362 ай бұрын
Indeed - we lost one of the greats
@braddietzmusic24292 ай бұрын
I have seen pictures and mentions of those previously, but I appreciate the feature for all the folks who don’t know about these, or forgot. Wish every one of these was built as production vehicles.
@xodiaq2 ай бұрын
I say bring Pontiac back, but also use it to bring back other discontinued cars we’d love new versions of like Olds 442 or Plymouth Roadrunner, for example
@rarecars33362 ай бұрын
I think with the rise of restomods someone will have some company like that come out that focuses on redoing old niche cars for a select few buyers that aren't just the common porsches and what have you
@xodiaqАй бұрын
@@rarecars3336 I’d hope so! It’s been a niche that could really take off in the right hands!
@owenwilliams4272 ай бұрын
Could you please do a video on Mercury
@landiahillfarm65902 ай бұрын
Great find on that Farago! Never heard of that one either, and I love the look.
@CraigWhitley-c1mАй бұрын
Pontiac would make even more interesting cars today and more powerful
@rarecars3336Ай бұрын
Agreed I would love to see the brand come back
@serfcityherewecome8069Ай бұрын
They would DESIGN them but GM would chuck anything decent in the roundfile.
@danielulz16402 ай бұрын
Love the looks of the Phantom.
@bélalugrisi2 ай бұрын
The Phantom is beautiful!
@Xsiondu2 ай бұрын
That Furago Cf428. Looked like the hero car from a movie I saw one Saturday night 30 years ago called "Superago".
@assaultlick21692 ай бұрын
Im subbed to over 2000 channels and this is one of my favs. Great work, rare!
@TooLooze2 ай бұрын
Pontiac always stood out with their production models. The Banshee looks reminiscent of the Opel GT with DeLorean wheels.
@madmike26242 ай бұрын
# 5 had a lot of Buick Rivera in it! The hip on the rear wheels says it all!!~# 2 has the Oldsmobile Toronado rear end!!!~ That Bashe looked like a baby Vette!!~ Great content my brother.
@LordHolley2 ай бұрын
Pontiac, Pontiac, want my money back! lol. kidding, I miss Pontiac as well.
@buzzcrushtrendkillАй бұрын
Great video on one of the most forward leaning American car brands. You have done a lot of work to produce this. One small note, actually Bill Mitchell reached GM's mandatory 65 retirement age in 1977. So I don't think it wasn't an actual quitting in protest over the concept car. Bill spent 42 years at GM, he was probably all too familiar with how decisions were made at those executive levels.
@prudentianavanvladeraecken70602 ай бұрын
Pontiac Phantom is my favorite coz it looks like 1) Pontiac Firebird 1977 and a Ford Mustang Mach 1 from 1973, both are favorites of mine.
@Alchemy2.0Ай бұрын
The Pontiac Banshee is my favourite American Car of All Time...Its stunning
@corsa1802 ай бұрын
I've always loved the Banshee. The Pontiac Polaris would have fit this list nicely, too.
@rarecars33362 ай бұрын
That was also a great option I can’t believe I forgot about that one for this list :/
@thefrydaddy12 ай бұрын
The cf 428 was the best of the lot!
@ericbrammer2245Ай бұрын
Farago has some Lambo-Espada/gene/splicing going on! Or maybe a hint of Maserati Merak/Bora?
@jasonyoung36902 ай бұрын
I like the Banshee. If the mule had a Pontiac 326 V8, then a Pontiac 455 version of that same block would fit as well, and that would have been insanely fast if geared properly and mated with a 5-speed transmission! Of these 5 cars, this one seemed like it was the closest to becoming an affordable reality. Even with a steel body, it would have been a screamer!
@snarktwain6442 ай бұрын
9:13 the Farago inspired the DeLorean, albeit, the DMC stainless steel body was more angular and with gulf wing doors
@FrewstonBooks2 ай бұрын
Look at the Citroen SM
@SmallDawgLexi2 ай бұрын
Yet another great video, nice. Also, I have no clue why. But everytime you said factor, I kept hearing the word vector. Thought it was funny.
@rarecars33362 ай бұрын
Haha maybe that’s a sign I need to make a video on the Vector cars - thanks for watching
@vandalorianvandalorian47692 ай бұрын
The Phantom is stunning. I would buy that car right now!
@rarecars33362 ай бұрын
I think A LOT of us would
@johnybuzz83316 күн бұрын
Love the Farago !
@danestormfeltz78152 ай бұрын
Banshee is my favorite.
@royhersey27592 ай бұрын
A newer Banshee came about in the late 80s that was really groundbreaking, based on the F-body
@dznr7232 ай бұрын
I believe you need to give credit for the Tri 5 Chevys to Harley Earl. Mr. Mitchell didn’t take over Design until ‘58-‘59.
@Mr.Higginbotham2 ай бұрын
Love it.
@davidjohnson84742 ай бұрын
The Banshee reminds me of the Opal GT and the chevy powered cheeta (I cant spell) LOL.
@tonybennett32 ай бұрын
We got the Corvette & Banshee's little European cousin, the Opel GT.
@rogergoodman866514 күн бұрын
I wonder if the front end design of the Farago inspired the front end of 1976-77 Aston Martin Lagonda. 🤔
@Brian-uy2tjАй бұрын
You say the Pegasus looks weren't half bad, but you forgot to mention that they weren't half good either. What it really needed was to borrow a name from history that reflected the styling of the front end. The name "Edsel" comes to mind.
@buzzbomb672 ай бұрын
Farago looks like a cross between a Javelin, 71 Mach 1, and a Maserati Ghibli
@bélalugrisi2 ай бұрын
I loved my Pontiacs!
@notmyworldnotmypeople36142 ай бұрын
The banshee needed a big block with a 5-speed and posi. The Italian firebird is really cool but it has less in common with Pontiac. Really didn't like the big coupe. But the virago has serious potential with a nice body kit.
@CarlosRobinson-y9uАй бұрын
I wonder if the Banshee was the inspiration for the Opel GT
@factsnofiction2172 ай бұрын
the Phantom and Pegasus are to classy for American cars
@michaelyoung19012 ай бұрын
DEFINITELY THE BANSHEE, AND PONTIAC IS MY FAVORITE GM!
@stuartnochance2 ай бұрын
Farago way better than banshee!
@danielgrove7782Ай бұрын
Olds developed the current pro stock motor and i just heard pontiac developed the gm nascar heads
@axelregan2 ай бұрын
I remember the first time knowing Pontiac Banshee from CSR Classic Boi it was fast So fast that I don't need a super nitro to win a Shelby Cobra
@ajatathemu2 ай бұрын
I thought the GM firebird series was going to be included for some reason
@evanpatterson709812 күн бұрын
It was BEAUTIFUL!!❤❤
@evanpatterson709812 күн бұрын
The Phantom was BEAUTIFUL!!❤❤
@lancerevell59792 ай бұрын
Banshee looks like the get of a randy Corvette mating a lovestruck Opel GT. 😅
@thebionicbassplayer2 ай бұрын
Great video, my favorite is the Banshee. It was killed off for the same reason the next generation Fiero was, too much sales take away from the Vette.
@rarecars33362 ай бұрын
I want to do a deep dive video on the Fiero at some point - such an interesting car that gets zero recognition
@thebionicbassplayer2 ай бұрын
@@rarecars3336 That would be a great one. There are alot of rare Fiero special editions and prototypes.
@000hms23 күн бұрын
Change the wheels, and the Farago, by farrrrrr!
@CarlLovgren-lh4em2 ай бұрын
The De Tomaso Mangusta is a sports car produced by Italian automobile manufacturer De Tomaso between 1967 and 1971. Looks like the Pontiac Farago.
@angelb46772 ай бұрын
Lamborghini Espada and the Mangustas love child!
@FrewstonBooks2 ай бұрын
@@angelb4677 Citroen SM has same profile as the Ferago.
@foreverinteriorsАй бұрын
The farago looks like it could have been be front wheel drive . Think tornado. Really long hood and wheelbase
@antoniotutt48942 ай бұрын
The Banshee was beating the crap out of the vette! With the 326HO against the vettes 327. Chevy bitched to GM and so ,the Banshee was scraped. That's just one reason why I HATE CHEVY!
@kylefenske24982 ай бұрын
There was another banshee concept actually multiple look them up
@FrewstonBooks2 ай бұрын
The profile of the Farrago looks remarkably similar to the Citroen XM.
@FrewstonBooks2 ай бұрын
Correction - Citroen SM.
@WayneCampbell-l3b2 ай бұрын
Someone , most likely Trans Am Co. Should buy the Pontiac M C brand from General Motirs Co. and go through all the recorda of the Pontiac name badges & concepts, update them and put them out as the new Pontiac Motor Co. for the 21st Century!
@milfordh.mercado27872 ай бұрын
"Hmmm...let me borrow some design form this concept car for our mustang' some one in ford must have been looking very closely on farago cr428 😅 i am really surprised with today's video as seeing phantom made me think of batmoble, the banshee should have been built but say it with me 'gm does not want a corvette rival in there line up' 😡😡😡 and finally that pegasus couldn't be anymore 70s if it was speedster (v12 coming from ferrari i would love to hear it roar 🤤) anyway thanks and have good day bye now.
@P.E.O.ll-RhodesScholarGraduate2 ай бұрын
8:34 Pontiac pasted this design on to BMW the M1.
@radjeck93462 ай бұрын
Bring the Farago to Europ in 1968 and everybody think : Its a new Ferrari or Lambo 😊 . I love it ❤❤❤ 🇩🇪.
@skeetermcswagger0U8122 ай бұрын
I noticed a slight change in the voice of this video compared to previous posts......I hope you don't ever change to AI or Computer Generated voices. An actual human voice is what keeps me enthusiastic about videos like this.
@ernestoclaudodip9671Ай бұрын
I love the Pegasus and the Banshee.
@jesseballard47532 ай бұрын
My father had 8 Pontiacs from 57 to a 79 trans am. When Pontiac switched to corporate engines he switched to Ford starting with a 86 mustang. He never went back to GM. GM is an arrogant organization that believes buyers are corporate loyal as opposed to brand loyal.
@kingjames15862 ай бұрын
Infomercial end’s at 4:50
@michaelcallahan53582 ай бұрын
They should have put some of these cars into production, they could have made more money!
@BlueJazzBoyNZ2 ай бұрын
It's about Selling in The Market It could be Amazing but if the Crowd doesn't see it Your in Neutral
@damonmelvin24022 ай бұрын
Most of these cars could have been sold as Special Limited Editions.
@jerrybailey57972 ай бұрын
The Pontiac Banshee looks very much like the Opel GT , l wonder if Opel got the idea from this ?
@rarecars33362 ай бұрын
It does look a lot like it someone else mentioned that as well!
@negativeindustrial2 ай бұрын
What’s with automobile manufacturers always giving us an option for massive fender flares and then proceeding to sink the wheels 3-6” inside of them? Looks ridiculous but they all do it.
@Cleveland.IronmanАй бұрын
And now you know…the rest of the story! as Paul Harvey would say. The title of this wonderful video show be “Five times GM’s upper management were complete blockheads and help precipitate the fall of GM into irrelevancy!”
@smc81442 ай бұрын
I vote GM brings back the Banshee and put it in its line up as a Mazda MX5 killer!
@mistert79582 ай бұрын
They tried, with the bloated Solstice. By the time it got thru mgmt and acct, it wasn't even close to a Miata challenger.
@1loveMusic20032 ай бұрын
Pegasus all the way!
@danielgrove7782Ай бұрын
I think pontiac got Chrysler to help develop a hemi head motor
@tdeasley2 ай бұрын
Actually, the Pontiac Farago looks more like a BMW M1 from 1978-81.
@TommyGun19792 ай бұрын
The Banshee would have buried the Corvette on the mid term. Pontiac was always one step ahead
@marvlouslie2053Ай бұрын
I miss Pontiac, tbh.
@joemazzola73872 ай бұрын
Add a little of 71 dodge charger to the farago d n a The banshee is the only good looking one