Strangest Car Inventions: Ford Invents A Bizarre Way to Meet 1970s Emissions Standards

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@Somebody_in_TX_1960
@Somebody_in_TX_1960 5 ай бұрын
I had a 1975 LTD 4 door with 400M that had only 1 converter. I will never forget the response from a seasoned mechanic when asked. He said “if Ford could get it to pass emissions by putting a ball point pen in the exhaust, they would”.
@toronado455
@toronado455 5 ай бұрын
😂
@BlackPill-pu4vi
@BlackPill-pu4vi 5 ай бұрын
My Mom RIP had a 75 Lincoln Town Car with the 460 and I do remember seeing that single converter on the driver side. I asked a Ford dealer mechanic and he said the slight backpressure from the converter pushed some of the exhaust go through the heat riser under the intake manifold and kept it hot without needing a special heat riser valve. And yes, the 460 did manage to meet emissions requirements for that year so, it saved money for Ford in two ways.
@nathanhansford76
@nathanhansford76 5 ай бұрын
That’s because ford knew how detrimental catalytic converters were to engines, in the early days they probably thought it was a government fad…
@DrOlds7298
@DrOlds7298 5 ай бұрын
Same car my family had from 1975-85. But we had to have ours removed to take it with us to Germany in '77. (Military Family) Wasn't any Unleaded Gas in Europe at the time. Plus a friend of the family was a long time Ford Dealer Tech and before it 'Went across the Water' showed my father a few things to remove,(One of those 'I can't legally do it,but I 'can' tell 'you' what to do??' deals.)plus we got a '74 Fuel Filler. I will say that years later when I worked for a used car lot,'our' 400 '75 Ford ran a bit better than most of the 'other' mid-late '70s 400 Fords I drove at work!!!
@ronaldkovacs7080
@ronaldkovacs7080 5 ай бұрын
Ford actually had a restriction disc at the flange of some of their exhaust manifolds for this purpose and to operate back pressure sensitive EGR controls.
@thewiseguy3529
@thewiseguy3529 5 ай бұрын
This explains why the exhaust smelled different amongst the different manufacturers. I always wondered why they all smelled different but burned the same fuel. Thanks Adam!
@albinklein7680
@albinklein7680 5 ай бұрын
I live in Germany and we adopted catalytic converters in the mid 1980s. Some cars had electronic fuel injection with oxygen sensors and three-way cats. Some cars had weird and hyper complicated carburettors with vacuum controlled choke plates ("Vordrosselsteller") and gigantic cats. Those were a real nightmare to get running halfway decent. I was an apprentice at that time and we called those carburettor systems "Pierburg's revenge" (Pierburg was the biggest manufacturer of carburettors in Germany at that time). And some cars had normal and simple carbs and just a cat without any lambda regulation. And other cars had nothing and still ran on leaded gas (cats became mandatory in 1992 iirc.). We had also many different tailpipe smells then...
@Drmcclung
@Drmcclung 5 ай бұрын
Really?? I had no idea Germany had issues with the old school smog carbs (I thought that was just us!) and yes, they were a total bitch and a half to tune and get working half-good
@SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman
@SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman 5 ай бұрын
@@albinklein7680 I was born in Augsburg 1967 but have lived in the States {Georgia} since 1975!
@markhenkel2484
@markhenkel2484 5 ай бұрын
@@albinklein7680 I bought an "American spec" Nissan Pulsar NX in 1985 while I was stationed in Germany. Drove it from the port. They gave you the catalectic converter in a box in the trunk and a plastic adapter for the fuel nozzle. That was before Germany banned leaded fuels.
@albinklein7680
@albinklein7680 5 ай бұрын
@@Drmcclung generally speaking they kind of worked. At least for a few tens of thousands of miles/kilometers. But after some time they became a real nightmare. The dreaded Pierburg 2EE carb for example which was used on cars like the 75hp MK2 Golf, the Mercedes 190 and the 2.0 Vauxhall/Opels. The idle regulation is a combination of solenoid valves, vacuum diaphragms and linear resistors, for example. If that stuff starts acting up, you are in a world of pain. And don't get me started with the hilarious EVAP system with mechanical valves and temperature switches which switch vacuum instead of electric current. Hilarious stuff. I had a really, really hard time with that sh*t when I was an apprentice in the late 1980s. I make good money today with that stuff, because I am one of the very few remaining guys who know how this mess works, though... Sorry for the long text!
@hobbified
@hobbified 5 ай бұрын
Cop tires, cop suspension, cop shocks, and it's a model made before catalytic converters so it runs good on regular gas.
@xaenon
@xaenon 5 ай бұрын
I knew there was going to be a Jake 'n Elwood reference in here somewhere!
@ZGryphon
@ZGryphon 5 ай бұрын
Fix the cigarette lighter.
@xaenon
@xaenon 5 ай бұрын
@@ZGryphon Use of unnecessary violence in the apprehension of the Blues Brothers... has been approved.
@Trackratz-zl9di
@Trackratz-zl9di 5 ай бұрын
1975 Ford 460 ci engine made an incredible 195 hp
@ZGryphon
@ZGryphon 5 ай бұрын
@@Trackratz-zl9di True, but you have to consider: in a '75 LTD Brougham, that was almost one horsepower per ton!
@johnpotter8039
@johnpotter8039 5 ай бұрын
My first company truck was a 1975, pre-converter, Ford F-100 with dual tanks and an automatic transmission. It got, count-em, 8 MPG. With the AC on, it went down to 7 MPG. It dieseled every time I shut it off, in Park. I could reach 50 MPH climbing a gentle grade. I had to fill up (company credit card) almost every day. I took it to the company garage and the head mechanic "de-smogged" it. Mileage went up to 15-16 MPG, it stopped dieseling and could maintain normal highway speeds. Some "emissions controls", eh?
@zzoinks
@zzoinks 5 ай бұрын
I think this same channel has a video on another emissions control system where you have to adjust a valve somewhere to change how the car idled and ran. I forget which brand it was, maybe a Chrysler? And if the control was set incorrectly it would run poorly. But that also sounds similar to the carburetor adjustment for different altitudes, if somebody wanted to do mountain driving the adjustment is needed, and similarly back at sea level, else the engine doesn't run correctly, but that doesn't have to do with emissions controls.
@viktorakhmedov3442
@viktorakhmedov3442 5 ай бұрын
Yeah I worked for PennDOT back then and one time we had a new emissions Ford diesel itself down the side of a mountain.
@Paramount531
@Paramount531 5 ай бұрын
CA used to require hang on devices for 66-70 cars, either a distributor vacuum retard setup, or in the case of my 68 VW, a hang on EGR system. There were no yearly tests, only when you bought the car did you have to get testing done. After that, the hang on crap went in the trunk until it was time to sell the car. As an added bonus on the VW, the hose from the crossover on the intake manifold to the spacer plate below the carb was made out of metal, like a flexible natural gas line. That chafed through against the engine hatch, resulting in a vacuum leak and a burned valve that was ignored by the previous owner until the valve dropped. I bought the car after that was repaired.
@TroyOnymous
@TroyOnymous 5 ай бұрын
Grounding straps on the exhaust pipes back then was likely to aleviate radio noise, when you have high speed air carrying particulates through the pipes you get a buildup of static electricity, so you just bond them to the frame to dissapate them.
@michaelre7556
@michaelre7556 5 ай бұрын
Neat.
@1marcelfilms
@1marcelfilms 4 ай бұрын
You have a metal pipe attached to a metal grounded motor. Why would you need straps
@miscbits6399
@miscbits6399 3 ай бұрын
@@1marcelfilms because the grounding isn't good and those flanges aren't good electrical connections thanks to heat/oxidation/gaskets
@bryceg5709
@bryceg5709 Ай бұрын
​@@1marcelfilmsrubber hangers etc. replaced a suppression strap on my 2012 bmw diesel. it's less about it being grounded than there not being noise in the electronics. like I could use 12V from the trailer hitch and ground to the muffler and have battery voltage back to the engine but a wiring harness running along the same path is going to have an electric field from the unsuppressed tail pipe.
@snerdsters8
@snerdsters8 5 ай бұрын
These are the cars of my youth. At the time, I was much more interested in sports/muscle cars. But now as an older person, I really miss the days of the big boats. Your channel really is fun for me to watch and be reminded of a great time in my life.
@fourdoorglory
@fourdoorglory 5 ай бұрын
Very interesting video. Two things I remember most about 70s-80s catalytic converters: sulphur rotten egg smells and rusted heat shields that would rattle after just a couple Michigan winters.
@bobroberts2371
@bobroberts2371 5 ай бұрын
The sulfur smell was due to high sulfur content of the fuel not something the cat caused.
@fourdoorglory
@fourdoorglory 5 ай бұрын
@@bobroberts2371 Source please.
@bobroberts2371
@bobroberts2371 5 ай бұрын
@@fourdoorglory My 45+ years in and around the auto repair industry. Cats don't " make " sulfur therefor it comes from the fuel EPA has info on sulfur in fuel.
@SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman
@SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman 5 ай бұрын
@@bobroberts2371 you are correct, sulfur is naturally occurring in crude oil that has to be removed & if you smell sulfur the convertor is not doing its job
@greggc8088
@greggc8088 5 ай бұрын
@@bobroberts2371 Yeah it was. It meant it was working. The fix for complaining customers was to run a tank of leaded gas in it so the catalytic converter's effieciency would drop a bit and have less odor. That's the way we did it in the late 80's at the GM dealer anyway.
@JeffFrmJoisey
@JeffFrmJoisey 5 ай бұрын
I’d visit a friend who worked in a self repair garage mid 70’s. Lots of GM car owners would put their car on a lift, remove the pancake’s plug, then shove an air hose in the tailpipe and blow the catalyst pellets out into a bucket, then put the cap back. They said it gave them more power.
@rhyoliteaquacade
@rhyoliteaquacade 5 ай бұрын
I lived near Universal Oil Products in the 70's. A couple of friend's got jobs driving the Catalytic Converter test cars all over the place, including the highways. The rear seat was removed and replaced with chart recorders to measure temperature and other parameters. They told me that one day they drove a car on the Illinois toll-road at high speed, turned the ignition off, pumped the gas and switched the ignition back on. There was a terrible backfire noise followed by flames and catalyst stuff going out the tailpipe. These were carburetor engines so you could do that sort of damage.
@dougbelanger3479
@dougbelanger3479 5 ай бұрын
I remember working at a Sunoco station at 9 Mile and Schoenherr in 1975, we had a new Grand Marquis in for an oil change. 460, dual exhaust, one converter.
@Trackratz-zl9di
@Trackratz-zl9di 5 ай бұрын
I lived at 5 mile and Middlebelt and went to that station all the time since it was close to my GF back then 1975 - 1977
@Zt3v3
@Zt3v3 5 ай бұрын
I took the clean air car course in 1996 to become a smog tech, the year OBD2 was mandated - Mixture control solenoids and back pressure transducers were the tech of the time, at least for most the cars on the road. Early emissions equipment was so bad too, but from 1996 onward, things got pretty good.
@mopar3502001
@mopar3502001 5 ай бұрын
I remember those days. Back then, Mikuni Solex has designed the absolute worst carb to rebuild. A nightmare.
@upsidedowndog1256
@upsidedowndog1256 5 ай бұрын
GM's pancake was great. All of my friends took the caps off and drained all of the pellets. They epoxied the cap back in place with varying degrees of success.
@Ozark_Bule
@Ozark_Bule 5 ай бұрын
I remember several friends doing that as well. They also cut out the gas nozzle blocker so they could use cheaper leaded gas which had the larger filler nozzle at the pump.
@greggc8088
@greggc8088 5 ай бұрын
There was a tool for that cap. We actually had to replace the pellets on some at the dealer. Blew them in with a special tool through the port.
@SirOsisofLiver
@SirOsisofLiver 5 ай бұрын
Dad had a '76 Lemans Safari with the 400. One of the first things he did was remove the cap and take the car for a rip to blow the pellets out. He did get the cap back in place afterwards. Not sure if it made much difference. Those were pretty tough years for cars.
@TStheDeplorable
@TStheDeplorable 5 ай бұрын
I kind of think that was GM's intent!
@kennydemartini2169
@kennydemartini2169 5 ай бұрын
I emptied out many converters back in the '80s. I chiseled out the plug, took the car for a spin around the block and hammered a freeze plug in its place afterwards.
@bobroberts2371
@bobroberts2371 5 ай бұрын
Ground straps This was usually to mitigate electrical noise that causes radio interference. Some modern cars do this as well, the PT cruiser has ground wires from the front struts to the inner fender.
@JayMalone26
@JayMalone26 5 ай бұрын
My SL500 has a copper spring behind the dust cap on the front hub bearings to mitigate radio interference. That's back when Mercedes was ran by engineers and not shareholders
@ML-jk3sz
@ML-jk3sz 5 ай бұрын
@@JayMalone26 Every company is run by shareholders.
@MoparTech
@MoparTech 5 ай бұрын
That ground on the PT(and Neon) is to keep the front wheel bearings from failing prematurely. When I was a young tech at the Chrysler Dealer and these PT's were new the senior tech that mentored me explained the previous generation Chrysler vehicles w/the same press in style wheel bearings would burn through front wheel bearings until they added the ground strap to help discharge the static electricity that was generated when the wheel spun.
@Circlotron
@Circlotron 5 ай бұрын
@@JayMalone26 Static electricity discharging through bearing surfaces can over a period of time cause those smooth surfaces to deteriorate. The copper spring might be to overcome that. It is a definite issue with large industrial electric motors that are operated from variable speed AC drives.
@andrewdynes5300
@andrewdynes5300 5 ай бұрын
@JayMalone26 I had to Google the copper spring out of curiosity. According to "Mercedessource", it is to provide a ground path for the brake pad sensors.
@glypnir
@glypnir 4 ай бұрын
My 1978 Country Squire had a clever emissions strategy. They made the gross vehicle weight high enough that it was classed as a truck, so no catalyst was required. Family truckster indeed. It was 224 inches long, longer than a Suburban.
@DonaldMcKay3768
@DonaldMcKay3768 5 ай бұрын
I had no idea this was happening even though I was an adult in 1975. No question, if the car with a particular engine could pass emissions with only one cat, that's how it would be certified, no one would care it was asymmetrical. I notice there's a crossover pipe connecting the two sides, downstream of the catalytic converter. If the cat has more back pressure than the non-cat side, and also heats up the gases more, the two sides are different both in temperature and pressure. This would cause flow through that crossover pipe from the non-cat side to the cat side, mixing the untreated exhaust with the hotter gas from the cat and perhaps causing chemical reactions that partly de-smogged the gases from the other side. I theorize that's what made this system work. I think Ford's engineers deserve a lot of credit for their innovative solution to this emissions problem. I would be surprised if there was a technical article about it in the Society of Automotive Engineers Journal, but there certainly ought to be.
@apsdev
@apsdev 5 ай бұрын
What if the left exhaust without cat has a valve in it that opens at a certain pressure. so all exhaust goes through the one cat with the crossover .. except when you go fast. But if you measure exhaust while its idle all goes through the cat. Maybe the engine is cleaner when you go fast anyway. i guess it wont have such a valve but it reminds me of what happens now that car manufacturers get sued, because the cars are sort of smart with computers and are clean when they realize that they are being measured. As i guess especially diesel cars are by nature dirty and its very expensive to make them clean . so when exhaust rules get more and more strict they start to use more tech but also more tricks. Like i guess run engines very lean when measured. The crossover seems weird .. as because a cat adds resistance ... part of the gas that it supposed to go through the cat goes through the crossover, so more gas would exit the non-cat exhaust than the cat-exhaust.
@303nitzubishi4
@303nitzubishi4 5 ай бұрын
Yes you're exactly right the "H" pipe will draw a portion of the untreated exhaust into the superheated side due to the pressure differential and continue the combustion of that portion before it exits. This must have been just enough to come in under the nox/hc limits at the time
@alexus267
@alexus267 5 ай бұрын
​@@apsdevright, and dieselgate engines burn more fuel while tested as it needs to heat up nitric oxide trap and less fuel otherwise for fuel efficiency, so its leaner on the road and richer on the stand.
@pcno2832
@pcno2832 5 ай бұрын
The worst thing about GM's "pancake" converter strategy was the way they raised the passenger's-side floor to make room for the converter and to keep the considerable heat from the converter, in the days of carburetors, away from the carpeting. It made the passenger's seat so cramped that even with the seat all the way back, 6-footers had no thigh support and had their knees in the air. Ford's arrangement did narrow the passenger's footwell, but left it deep enough to stretch out a little. I'd say Ford had the better idea.
@MarkWG
@MarkWG 5 ай бұрын
Ford always had "The Better Idea"!
@bernieschiff5919
@bernieschiff5919 5 ай бұрын
Burn through in the carpet was possible, using leaded fuel would damage the converter, and burn a hole in the carpeting, using a "test pipe" improved gas milage on the Chevy caprice I had. I agree, the exhaust systems overall were pretty bad, the long non-stainless-steel pipe would completely rust out every few years.
@MickeyMousePark
@MickeyMousePark 5 ай бұрын
and parking in a field of tall grass could set the whole field on fire..
@DrOlds7298
@DrOlds7298 5 ай бұрын
@@MickeyMousePark Saw that back in '84. Took out about 5 cars in a grass field being used as a parking lot!
@DrOlds7298
@DrOlds7298 5 ай бұрын
@@bernieschiff5919 One of my older sisters had that happen to her car. Ran over something (we think) and the converter heat set her carpet afire. Luckily she had just pulled into her yard & was in reach of her garden hose.
@k4106dt
@k4106dt 5 ай бұрын
I remember reading in 1975 about the new catalytic converters most of the '75 cars would use. Along with the pellet type was the honeycomb type, which is the type that the entire industry eventually adopted.
@carlc5748
@carlc5748 5 ай бұрын
1. Honda had the CVCC engine, available to the public in 1975. GM laughed at their idea, so Mr. Honda bought a new 1973 Chevy Impala with a 350c.i. engine, ran it through emission's, passing it, with better gas mileage right to GM, proving that it could be done. 2. Mitsubishi had the MCA jet engine. I bought new, a first year 1979 Dodge D50 pick up (Mitsubishi) with this engine, and no catalytic converter, in California. 3. Subaru had the SEECT clean air engine, as well. No wonder, even back then, I knew that the Japanese automakers were going to take away market share from the USA automakers, due to their innovative thinking. At least Ford had an innovative approach, never knew that before, thanks for such a great Vlog!
@JBM802
@JBM802 5 ай бұрын
The Japanese and the Europeans were restricted on engine sizes so they had to squeeze every bit of power and efficiency they could out of every cubic centimeter, and they were good at it! that’s why they had the better engineering. The big Three just made everything bigger without making it better.
@carlc5748
@carlc5748 5 ай бұрын
@@JBM802 Excellent point!!
@kkuenzel56
@kkuenzel56 5 ай бұрын
That really takes me back. I started my 30 year career in 1977 as a Lincoln Mercury technician. I remember working on those early 70s Land Yachts!
@trolleychai
@trolleychai 5 ай бұрын
Among the vehicles I have owned was a '79 Bonneville that we purchased, brand new, with the pancake converter. At about 50K miles the engine became very sluggish (it was never a speed demon anyway, with the 301 c.i.d. motor, but it always ran very smoothly). When I took it to my mechanic, he laughed and said it was the converter, and simply removed the plug, shook all the balls out, and put the plug back in. The car had a lot more power after that, and it didn't make any more noise than before either.
@Prototheria
@Prototheria 5 ай бұрын
That single cat always perplexed me until Saab came along with their turbo V6 with a tiny turbo on one bank.
@jimmyaber5920
@jimmyaber5920 5 ай бұрын
A GM v6
@greenbassboosts8872
@greenbassboosts8872 5 ай бұрын
Asymmetric turbo is pretty cool. The way the turbo exhaust housing is part of the manifold is also kind of neat
@gabrielv.4358
@gabrielv.4358 5 ай бұрын
what
@travelcampingblacksmithing786
@travelcampingblacksmithing786 5 ай бұрын
@@gabrielv.4358the saab 9-5 had a v6 option. It had asymmetrical turbo charging. Pretty neat setup.
@billbraun6846
@billbraun6846 5 ай бұрын
The shop I worked at in the 80's had three customers with 1975 Mark IV's. All of them had the front seat belts cut and removed. I guess to make it easier to get into the rear seats. When seat belt laws came in the owners wanted these repaired. New ones where obsolete and every used Mark IV in my area had their seat belts cut too. We ended up putting in aftermarket lap belts.
@RDEnduro
@RDEnduro 5 ай бұрын
My science teacher in highschool had one and i remember his giving a ten minute speech about, its his right to not wear one and his business etc. Haha he was pissed when they made the law
@MUUKOW3
@MUUKOW3 5 ай бұрын
​@@RDEnduroA teacher against the nanny state , that's a rare thing these days !
@zzoinks
@zzoinks 5 ай бұрын
​Sometimes people are dumb too, the people who don't wear seat belts are an example ​@@MUUKOW3
@Vincent_Sullivan
@Vincent_Sullivan 5 ай бұрын
@@RDEnduro This surprises me. You would think a Science teacher would know some Physics! It should be easy for him to work out what would happen to him in a collision if he was not belted in.
@LifeisGood762
@LifeisGood762 5 ай бұрын
This is good information. If I ever buy a Mark IV I'll know why the seatbelts don't seem right, because they're not, they're aftermarket.
@billymule961
@billymule961 5 ай бұрын
I remember in the 70's when riding behind certain cars on my motorcycle, it felt like hot particles of sand hitting me in the face. It was coming from the exhaust. I would either have to back way off, which usually resulted in someone cutting me off, or try and change lanes.
@MrPinto1970
@MrPinto1970 5 ай бұрын
epic you were getting blasted with molting metal
@davidgagnon2849
@davidgagnon2849 5 ай бұрын
Interesting!
@adamrodenberg1557
@adamrodenberg1557 5 ай бұрын
With one side restricted, it would push more hot exhaust through the intake manifold heat riser passage to flow out the other side, heating the bottom of the intake manifold to improve fuel atomization, and allow faster warm-ups in cold climates.
@joedepoto
@joedepoto 5 ай бұрын
Another bit of trivia is that 1975-1976 Plymouth Dusters and Dodge Dart Sports equipped with a factory E58 360 four barrel not only had an air pump instead of a catalytic converter. But those high performance Chrysler A-Bodies also left the assembly line with true dual exhaust.🤔🤷‍♂️🤨👨‍🔧
@JBM802
@JBM802 5 ай бұрын
Yeah, they diluted the exhaust.
@anttiruo
@anttiruo 4 ай бұрын
@@JBM802 they combusted the CO left in the exhaust and burned the hydrocarbons at the same time.
@albinklein7680
@albinklein7680 5 ай бұрын
I live in Germany and I was perplexed when I saw the underside of an 1970s Oldsmobile with those weird crooked crossover pipes for the first time. Funny stuff.
@mindeloman
@mindeloman 5 ай бұрын
70s and 80s were a wierd time for American car design and engineering. The EPA was constantly coming at them to burn cleaner and get more miles per gallon and the NTSB coming at them to make cars safer. They were chasing their tails for a while. They never really recovered as they gave a foothold to the Japanese makes. Today, the big 3 make very few actual cars today. It's 90% trucks and SUVs.
@albinklein7680
@albinklein7680 5 ай бұрын
@@mindeloman the German cars made for the US market were super weird, too. Especially Mercedes. The 350SE with the M110 V8 for example had 3.5 liters of displacement and 9.5:1 compression producing about 230hp in Germany. The M110 for the US spec model was enlarged to about 4.5 liters but the compression ratio was reduced to iirc. 7:1 and they had a super weird cam timing/profile. They were extreme gas guzzlers and ran like crap. Poor Americans....
@ToolofSociety
@ToolofSociety 5 ай бұрын
@@mindeloman Trucks and SUVs gave the biggest profit margins.
@mindeloman
@mindeloman 5 ай бұрын
@@ToolofSociety sort of why we no longer have affordable houses. Builders figured out the bigger the house, the more margin they make.
@albinklein7680
@albinklein7680 5 ай бұрын
@@RobertJarecki gas prices in Germany were at about 1.20 Deutsche Mark in the late 1970s. And Diesel fuel was about 85 Pfennig. A typical Mercedes Taxi (240D or 300D) used about 8 to 10 liters of Diesel for 100km. An Oldsmobile Cutlass consumes at least 30 liters of gas for 100km in city traffic. It makes absolutely no sense at all to use such a car in Europe as a taxi. The lower price doesn't matter at all. It is all about cost of running.
@michaelbuzzee1964
@michaelbuzzee1964 5 ай бұрын
That single ford Cat was massive!
@DonTrishLayne
@DonTrishLayne 5 ай бұрын
Not positive but I think that is about a 73 Continental, only because I had one with a massive 460 in it if I remember correctly, great land yacht
@45johngalt
@45johngalt 5 ай бұрын
should have seen the stock cat on my 1990 bmw 525i, it was a "non restrictive" design and took up like half of the entire exhaust piping system.
@ronbrock6153
@ronbrock6153 5 ай бұрын
I remember working in an autoparts store in the mid 80's. They sold cat "test" pipes, to see if your cat was defective and needed replaced. Funny that noone who purchased one ended up ordering a new cat.
@roberteast4160
@roberteast4160 5 ай бұрын
Yeah most people just removed the cat and left the test pipe in.
@k4106dt
@k4106dt 5 ай бұрын
Unless you lived in CA and had to pass a smog test to register your car.
@ronbrock6153
@ronbrock6153 5 ай бұрын
@@k4106dt Thank god no, I have never lived in CA.
@DaveMcLain
@DaveMcLain 5 ай бұрын
@@ronbrock6153 Test Tube, "to verify the need" in very small type, "to replace catalytic converter" in a large font. Sal Tovella had them as a sponsor on his USAC stock car in about 1980.
@xaenon
@xaenon 5 ай бұрын
Same. Then they cracked down on that and those 'test kits' vanished overnight. The company that made those things knew exactly what they were doing. Though they were not the only company to gimmick the emissions control regs. Did you know that Ford itself played games like this? Remember the days when Ford's half-ton pickup was called an F100? And then an F150 appeared and the two models were sold side by side and and both were half-ton? There was no major mechanical difference between them other than ONE: The F100 was declared at a slightly lower GVWR, which made it exempt from the requirements for cats. To avoid too much suspicion, and sell the more-expensive (because of the cats) F150, the F150 was offered with optional 360 and 390 engines (351M starting 1977), and the F100 only got a six-cylinder or 302. When the EPA closed the loophole, the F100 disappeared. Oh, there was one other minor difference: F100 2WD models usually used a light-duty axle, while the F150 got the regular 9-inch. Dodge and GM did similar things. Chevy's 'heavy half' is an example.
@theda850two
@theda850two 5 ай бұрын
Love those '72 T-Birds ❤
@Sedan57Chevy
@Sedan57Chevy 5 ай бұрын
Gotta love Ford finding fun ways to cut costs! Some of the most expensive cars they made, and yet they choose to do this. I'm still also hoping for a video on their "wonderful" Variable Venturi carbs.
@larryberry2436
@larryberry2436 5 ай бұрын
😂
@curtislowe4577
@curtislowe4577 5 ай бұрын
As late as 1977 VW's Rabbit (and probably the Scirocco as well) with a Bosch Jetronic fuel injection instead of a carb could meet EPA requirements without a catalytic converter. They bragged about it quite loudly.
@PRH123
@PRH123 5 ай бұрын
I had a 76 fuel injected (mechanical) German built rabbit with the round headlights, and yes I believe it didn’t have a catalytic converter.
@philojudaeusofalexandria9556
@philojudaeusofalexandria9556 5 ай бұрын
Considering german cars' history of cheating on emissions testing... It's probably 50/50 whether it ACTUALLY met standards.
@DarkAttack14
@DarkAttack14 5 ай бұрын
@@philojudaeusofalexandria9556 No, it is not. This is before electronic controls that enabled VW to fake out the EPA during their dyno testing. They would run the vehicle on a dyno and analyze the exhaust output and at this time there was no way to fake out their analyzers by having the ecu adjust the engine maps
@curtislowe4577
@curtislowe4577 5 ай бұрын
@@philojudaeusofalexandria9556 I absolutely would not argue with that! Although the Bosch FI systems of the time were completely mechanical so the ability to have two completely different engine maps didn't exist. In the early 80s I bought a Pennsylvania built Rabbit diesel - still with an entirely mechanical FI system - in part because it had an EPA highway mileage rating of about 45 mpg. I had a 102 mile daily round trip that was all on rural blacktops with only 3 stop signs that didn't require full stops. The best it ever got when new was 42 mpg and as it broke in it stabilized at 35 mpg which was barely better than the 32 mpg the gas Rabbit highway mileage. That was my last German vehicle and my only diesel.
@MUUKOW3
@MUUKOW3 5 ай бұрын
​@@curtislowe4577I had a rabbit diesel ,a 79 and it averaged around 52 mpg ,that was a great commuter car
@YoungHeartedSoul
@YoungHeartedSoul 5 ай бұрын
I remember those pancake converters. Growing up in a NYC apartment my dad used to let me warm up the car or I used to go and start it and just hear it run. It was nothing special to most people but we lived our 79 malibu wagon with its 305z one day i started the engine and it wasn’t running correctly but I didnt know and let it run. I started smelling something strange but thought it was the exhaust putting off fumes. When i saw an orange glow opposite of the car on the building wall i got out and looked under the car and the cat was flowing cherry red, engine was running rich if i remember correctly. It had a carb issue with probably the choke getting stuck. Cant remember how i kept the engine from stalling but man bring a kid and not knowing much about cars back then i thought it would catch fire, if i remember correctly it damaged the floor board a bit. Great cars.
@davidgrisez
@davidgrisez 3 ай бұрын
If a mixture of unburned fuel and air flow into a catalytic converter. The catalytic converter will burn the fuel and air and overheat and can glow a cherry red color. This is why a catalytic converter can overheat if there are one or more cylinders misfiring on the engine.
@YoungHeartedSoul
@YoungHeartedSoul 3 ай бұрын
@@davidgrisez yup when the choke os closed, too much fuel and little air is vetting into the engine causing a rich condition, this will dump excess fuel and the cat will start burning too hot making it glow. It will actually ruin the inside of the cat.
@edwardpate6128
@edwardpate6128 5 ай бұрын
I bought a 77 Trans Am I bought brand new and when I pulled that converter and single exhaust with the crossflow muffler off and put duals with Corvair turbo mufflers it turned it into a different car!
@PRH123
@PRH123 5 ай бұрын
What did ya’ do when they started doing annual emissions tests?
@SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman
@SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman 5 ай бұрын
I did the same to my Trans Am & Z28s, really wakes them up
@SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman
@SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman 5 ай бұрын
@@PRH123 only Atlanta has that but the rest of Georgia no so we always straight piped all our vehicles
@PRH123
@PRH123 5 ай бұрын
@@SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman wow, didn’t know, all of Maryland since the 80’s required annual emissions tests for all cars
@SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman
@SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman 5 ай бұрын
@@PRH123 that sux
@richceglinski7543
@richceglinski7543 5 ай бұрын
Thanks Allen. I learned something I had never noticed before. I cut my career teeth as a mechanic working on this generation of cars. Was 1975 the only year for the single cat? A business man customer would drop his 75 MK IVat the shop before leaving on business trips and told me to drive it so it didn't sit on the lot at night. I was 22 and quickly found I preferred driving luxury cars over my noisy hot rod.
@kevinsellsit5584
@kevinsellsit5584 5 ай бұрын
My neighbors would question me on how much does a mechanic make now days...Porsche, Mercedes S600 god only knows what customers would say "don't park that here tonight, bring it home" ... Yes sir.
@paulplack490
@paulplack490 5 ай бұрын
Ford V8s had a history of odd applications which used the two cylinder banks separately. Ingersoll Rand used to sell a big air compressor that used one bank of a Ford V8 as a 4-cylinder engine, and the other bank as the compressor. I wonder if Ford put different size jets in one side of the 4-bbl carbs on these "half-cat" engines to get the fuel-air ratios to match.
@paulwindisch1423
@paulwindisch1423 5 ай бұрын
There used to be a kit available to turn an air cooled VW flat four engine into an air compressor. The kit would come with a new intake manifold that only went to two opposing cylinders. This kept fuel out of the cylinders used for compressing air. The kit also came with air filters for the compressor cylinders, and a different cam that never opened the exhaust valves on the compressor cylinders and opened the intake valves every crank revolution so as to double the compressor output vs a regular four stroke cam. I believe it was called “Volksair”.
@gabrielv.4358
@gabrielv.4358 5 ай бұрын
That is awesome
@gus473
@gus473 5 ай бұрын
Ford's R&D was all over the emissions requirements of the Clean Air Act, including instrumentation to accurately measure NOx and SOx in exhaust. Manufacturers were close to panic over the possibility that the EPA wouldn't certify engines for sale without a reliable and reproducible method using a durable instrument. They made it, but just barely! (And they were ahead of the rest!) 😎✌️
@xaenon
@xaenon 5 ай бұрын
Their early IMCO systems made their carburetors and distributors a nightmare to work with. IMCO was first mandated in 1965 in CA cars, and in 1968 it became a federal thing. In fact, part of the reason Ford replaced the 289 with the nearly-identical 302 was primarily for emissions reasons.
@Gary7even
@Gary7even 5 ай бұрын
I remember when the 76 Chrysler Cordoba came out and the ads touting the 400 Lean Burn engine with no cats, thus you could use regular leaded gas. That only lasted for one model year, as in 77 the 400 had cats.
@davidam9454
@davidam9454 5 ай бұрын
Because the lean burn engine was endless problems. My brother had one he cussed and finally killed trying to get rid of the lean burn mess
@SUPRAMIKE18
@SUPRAMIKE18 5 ай бұрын
My grandad had one of those lean burn 400s that kept slowly ruining pistons at only 80,000 miles all 8 pistons were replacements and he sold it.
@ThePaulv12
@ThePaulv12 5 ай бұрын
The system was unreliable but the principal of operation was pretty good. Combustion temperature rises the closer to 14.7:1 you get but then as you pass it the temperature drops again So ELB worked by going so lean that the engine was running on about 17:1 AF and was lean cool because the mixture had so little fuel in it. It was detonation resistant because detonation only occurs in a certain band. A great idea but yeah, nah. Fuel injection solved all that. Interestingly, Jaguar V12HE engines took the operation principal of ELB and refined it to a high degree. The designed was baked into the engine from the pistons to the combustion chamber, the injection system and the ignition system. They still had cats though. It made the V12 engine last 15 or 16 years longer in production than it would have.
@adamtrombino106
@adamtrombino106 5 ай бұрын
My dad had a 76 400 4bbl with the ELB. Each time we went to an emission test, they tried to deny him for no cats. Each time he had to raise the hood and show the the tag NON-CATALYST. If you ordered the L code 360 4bbl 75-79, or P code 400, you got true dual exhaust with dual cats. The floor pans on those cars were mildly revised, and you also got a smaller gas tank to accommodate the pipes.
@DrOlds7298
@DrOlds7298 5 ай бұрын
@@davidam9454 I once had a Plymouth Gran Fury with that on it. I simply 'backdated' it & eliminated the Lean Burn. Chrysler even sold a kit to do this,this ought to tell you something right there??? Ran much better after that,and my MPG's went up!!!
@garbo8962
@garbo8962 5 ай бұрын
One of the best thing auto makers greatly improved on was replacing carburetors with fuel injection. Had a 1962 & 64 Chevys that had to have spark plugs replaced maybe every 30,000 miles due to fowling &/oil build up.
@1957GoldenRocket
@1957GoldenRocket 5 ай бұрын
How did birds get into the intake ? 😉
@greggc8088
@greggc8088 5 ай бұрын
@@1957GoldenRocket 🤣
@mikee2923
@mikee2923 5 ай бұрын
The GM converter was a piece of crap along with just about everything they came up with during this era to control emissions. I think it was Hot Rod or Car Craft years ago took a colonnade car and replaced it with a true dual exhaust and the engine picked up something like 35 HP. A cheap set of headers brought the gain up to 50 HP. None of these things really did anything to curb emissions. In the mid 80s when emissions testing came to my state, I bought my first car a 75 Pontiac Grand Prix with a 400. By this time it was a well used up car. The converter was replaced with a test pipe. The exhaust rotted off so I bought a cheap set of 3 tube headers because the manifold bolts for the pipes were hopelessly rusted. All of the emissions gadgets under hood had previously been plugged with screws when they failed. I even had the heads milled to pick up some compression. But according to the emissions results which you got a print out of, that car with nothing emissions related functioning except the EGR valve, not cat, headers and dual exhaust not only passed emissions with flying colors, it would have passed for a new V8 Ford Crown Victoria. So tell me what was the purpose for any of that garbage that did nothing but give the American automakers a bad reputation for creating sputtering underpowered and unreliable vehicles that they never really recovered from?
@davidam9454
@davidam9454 5 ай бұрын
I remember at the time Mazda modified the combustion chambers of their 4 cylinder cars and sailed through the emissions test with better results than the converter cars. The problem was the big 4 were taken over by accountants. They looked at how to do it cheap, not how to do it best. The less gas burned the less emissions, the less government control. Remember the rest of what was going on at the time.
@marckyle5895
@marckyle5895 5 ай бұрын
I did that to my Galaxie. Headers, cam, duals, 4bbl Edelbrock intake. Only thing I didn't change was the rear end. That 400 ran great afterwards. 16 mpg at steady 65 mph after the 55 limit was killed and it could pull a fully loaded U-haul trailer at 90 mph.
@lsswappedcessna
@lsswappedcessna 5 ай бұрын
@@marckyle5895 16 mpg highway is wild for a 70s car. I bet with some gear ratio shenanigans you could get that to 20 or higher!
@marckyle5895
@marckyle5895 5 ай бұрын
@@lsswappedcessna It was already a 2:75, one of those weird Ford 8.7" differentials. Had to get it fixed once is how I knew that. 16 was good. I started out with 12.
@geofjones9
@geofjones9 5 ай бұрын
Blame Senator Ed Muskie from Maine for the very strict emission controls. It didn't matter how badly a car ran, or if it ran at all. That guy was a dumbass!
@michaeltutty1540
@michaeltutty1540 5 ай бұрын
I had a 76 Thunderbird, and it did have factory catalytic converters on both sides of the exhaust. The uneven back pressure from one cat would be very hard on the valves in that engine unless the passenger side had much stiffer velvet springs to mimic the back pressure from the cat on the other bank. At Chrysler, cars with 1 or 4 bbl carburetors were able to meet emissions standards without a cat until the last year of the Plymouth Fury/Caravelle and Dodge Diplomat. Both offered a 4 bbl version of the 318 in Police Duty Package cars through the end of production in 1989. Volvo 4 cylinder cars with a carburetor were able to meet emissions standards with no catalytic converter. These, of course, are the Canadian market cars, which had to meet much less stringent emissions standards.
@dj33036
@dj33036 5 ай бұрын
I can't believe the amount of overhang on the front end of that last Thunderbird
@Santor-
@Santor- 5 ай бұрын
I know right? If they only made the hood a little longer, it could been real popular.
@JxH
@JxH 5 ай бұрын
Yep, they're rubbish at rock crawling.
@joninpgh
@joninpgh 5 ай бұрын
Crash protection. LOL.
@marko7843
@marko7843 5 ай бұрын
Yeah, but it kept the wheelbase down to a decent turning radius. I've also noticed as I've moved to smaller cars over the years, with front-wheel drive, that my older larger RWD cars could turn tighter than the Turbo 325 or transverse FWD cars.
@pcno2832
@pcno2832 5 ай бұрын
Ford released a "safety car" video around 1971, showing their engineers grafting another foot onto the nose of an LTD or a Torino. The T-bird and Mark IV and V seem like production implementations of that strategy. Of course, by 1979, they had found a way to make the closely related new LTD with much less overhang and still pass the crash tests. That kind of engineering probably takes a while; I've heard that the front structures of some cars have 15 grades of steel in various places to create a controlled crumple in which the engine slides under the car. The overhang was probably a quick, dirty way to pass the testes until they got the crumple zone optimized.
@failranch9542
@failranch9542 5 ай бұрын
Ford’s was actually a flux-capacitor type. That’s the reason for all those grounding straps. It had to be very well grounded to get the turbo-encabulator effect going after startup.
@thewiseguy3529
@thewiseguy3529 4 ай бұрын
@@failranch9542 Chryslers only had a turbo encabulator lol
@thewiseguy3529
@thewiseguy3529 4 ай бұрын
@@failranch9542 fords had turbo inoculators lol
@ronaldkovacs7080
@ronaldkovacs7080 5 ай бұрын
Very informative. A lot of people do not know the intricacies if the earlier emission control systems
@jamestamu83
@jamestamu83 5 ай бұрын
We owned a 1972 T-Bird in a beautiful bronze color. I remember that the hubcaps were painted the same color. The car was just beautiful to look at, and it was the smoothest driving car we've ever owned. No modern vehicle can match it, IMHO. The 460-CI with 4-bbl carb was a real gas guzzler. I remember 13-mpg highway and "fill it up when you go to town" in the city. But I would love to have one today. Just so quiet and comfortable. When Jimmy Carter rolled out the 55-mph speed limit you felt like you were walking down the highway. That car was designed to cruise at 90-mph! Great channel and content!
@williamholtonjr.8577
@williamholtonjr.8577 5 ай бұрын
55-mph became law under Nixon
@carlc5748
@carlc5748 5 ай бұрын
Pres. Nixon mandated the national 55MPH speed limit, effective Jan. 1, 1974.
@skaldlouiscyphre2453
@skaldlouiscyphre2453 5 ай бұрын
Swap a more modern engine and the fuel economy will improve.
@ChrisACiufo
@ChrisACiufo 5 ай бұрын
I had one too. But it probably didn’t stop really well from 90mph.
@miscbits6399
@miscbits6399 5 ай бұрын
@@ChrisACiufo If it stopped at all. My memories of panic stop tests were that the brakes ran out at about 20mph
@discerningmind
@discerningmind 5 ай бұрын
Thanks, Adam. I recall Chrysler doing something similar in 1980-81 with their 318 engine equipped cars. I recall a small catalytic convertor on the right bank exhaust manifold, similar to what Ford had done, but then further downstream both pipes joined into a single larger catalytic convertor.
@peterbedrosian622
@peterbedrosian622 5 ай бұрын
i worked at a lincoln mercury dealer for over 20 years they did some weird things to their cars like changing a camshaft and firing order on a 302 and windsdor 351 without changing crankshaft timing great video
@douglasthrelfall5318
@douglasthrelfall5318 5 ай бұрын
Some cars had two different size cats in the ‘Y’ pipe, Dodge trucks and the Ramcharger had 1 large cat one the right side and a “mini” cat on the left. Fords used the honeycomb design which was more free flowing than the pellet type. I had a 1979 Mustang Indy Pace car replica with the 302 and C4 and a friend of my dad’s who was a engineer out of Ford’s tetaboro zone office gave me another nearly new cat from a 2.3 turbo and I got a long 1/2 extension a busted out that honeycomb bs and installed it . With the 302’s “sport tuned” factory exhaust, it was louder then stock and NJ’s yearly state inspection question the noise level from my nearly new pace car and when they looked underneath, yup, there was the (hollow) cat and it always passed emissions.
@roger628
@roger628 5 ай бұрын
The 1977-78 Dodge Monaco CHP cars had 3. Dual cats plus a mini-cat on the drivers side. Can be seen in the odd episode of Dukes of Hazzard when Roscoe flips his car over. Evidently the show sourced those cars from CHP police auctions.
@prjndigo
@prjndigo 5 ай бұрын
I had a 77 LTD2 with a rebuilt 318 out of highway patrol service in Florida, it'd been ret-re-ro fitted with three cats leading to a single pipe. The whole exhaust line was far too pretty to have been stock. 13mpg but could still pass emissions even tho I didn't need it to. (some shops had out of state testing gear)
@rpkietur
@rpkietur 5 ай бұрын
we had a 1976 grand prix. one day all those beads just blew out the exhaust.
@davidgagnon2849
@davidgagnon2849 5 ай бұрын
Like magic! Or was it because someone blew them out with compressed air? LOL
@OLDS98
@OLDS98 5 ай бұрын
Thank you Adam. I liked and prefer bumper guards on cars. Some cars look awkward without them. I do miss them and I miss cars too as we live in and suve crossover world.
@sbf_fox2434
@sbf_fox2434 5 ай бұрын
The cross braces you mentioned are very similar to the ones used on the fox body Mustang convertibles.
@JimmyLoose
@JimmyLoose 5 ай бұрын
5:00 GEEZUZ!!! That bumper gap filler looks like the swimming deck at the rear of a yacht! You could fish off the back of that thing!
@ReiseEuro
@ReiseEuro 5 ай бұрын
1979 Lincoln Versailles one Katalysator on driver site 🙋🏻‍♂️
@blue6gun
@blue6gun 5 ай бұрын
My is300 had three of them lol. One upstream for each bank of 3 cylinders on the header and one downstream. It didn't mind me ditching the upstream cats but I had a harder time deleting the downstream without ecu changes or a stand alone ems.
@tomtom1541
@tomtom1541 5 ай бұрын
What issues did it cause with the tune? I was curious cause I heard it might affect air fuel ratio. But I've only ever seen a p0420 code.
@DarkAttack14
@DarkAttack14 5 ай бұрын
Unusual that the primary cats did not give you an issue but the secondaries did, on many cars the secondaries do not even have o2 sensors post cat! Primary cats are usually a more sensitive area due to the primary o2 sensor being used for fueling adjustments
@johnharper2016
@johnharper2016 5 ай бұрын
Bought a brand new 1977 Mercury Bobcat. Loaded. V6 engine and all the bells and whistles. First week I had both cats removed and replaced with straight pipe. Next eliminated the A.I.R. Smog Pump. Next re-jetted the 2 Barrel carb. Huge difference! That German made 2.8 lt V6 would sing. My buddy did the same treatment to his 1978 Mustang II, V6, 4 speed manual. Again, huge difference. Where there is a will, there is a way.
@marckyle5895
@marckyle5895 5 ай бұрын
That was the same V-6 they used in the 70s era Mercury Capri and that car had a rep for being fun to drive. I would have picked the standard over the auto. You didn't need the 140 hp 302 when it was heavier than the 115 hp V-6.
@BillEdwards-m2q
@BillEdwards-m2q 5 ай бұрын
These videos are great.... thanks and blessings....
@JohnDaly-x4i
@JohnDaly-x4i 5 ай бұрын
Had several 'big 3' V8 boats. Loved 'em all! '06 Corolla my daily driver now. Love it even more!😮
@madmike2624
@madmike2624 5 ай бұрын
I will never agree with the government getting in on design but who am I? Once again, Adam finds the best of the best obscurities and makes it captivating and entertaining!!!!!
@49commander
@49commander 5 ай бұрын
The Ford frame design that came out with the "Quieter than a Rolls" 1965 were of the "rubber frame design" they were supposed to flex to reduce road shock and minor imperfections. Then Ford mounted a body that was built like a Unit Body from the Cowl on back. The entire dog house kinda floated on the frame and was loosely connected to the Body. This design really helped reduce Engine Noise being transmitted to the cowl. One side effect was you could see the hood and front end jiggle on rough roads. I am guessing the extra heavy front end on the T-bird and Continental just jiggled too much so some extra braces were added since these were premium cars. My Aunt had both T-Birds you showed! The Pre 5mph front end and the 1975 style. As a young kid I thought that 1975 T-Bird was the fanciest car in the world! Dad had a 1974 Dart Swinger which was a nice Dart but seemed so low budget! However, I wish we could had mothballed that Swinger since they are worth a good deal of money today!
@xaenon
@xaenon 5 ай бұрын
That is a pretty obscure piece of information, my friend! Few people know about that. I am impressed!
@49commander
@49commander 5 ай бұрын
@@xaenon I found it in an old magazine when the cars were new. Plus an interview done later by a retired Ford Engineer who worked on the design! Ford wanted the squeak and rattle free properties of the Unibody with the Isolation of a Frame and Body! It' worked so well they used it till the end of the Crown Vic and Lincoln Town Car.
@patrickmurawski400
@patrickmurawski400 5 ай бұрын
Have a 76 Thunderbird has 2 converters! The frame would survive a nuke blast they were built solid!! And runs perfect!
@johnrand93
@johnrand93 5 ай бұрын
Adam, I don’t know if you’re aware but in 1980, (on the Lincoln’s) they had 4 cats, two pre cats and two main cats. I do know that whatever any of the manufacturers did, the smell coming out of any of my cars had ZERO smell, whatsoever. I know, if I ever buy a car that has any odor at all, I either put on a nos cat, correct the defective emissions part causing the car to smell or I re-bead the cat itself. I’m a stickler for an odorless exhaust, no matter how much power it robs the car of.
@PRR1954
@PRR1954 5 ай бұрын
Bonding: In this era you could order a CB radio from the factory. Radio range can be a lot about ignition and alternator noise. No, we were not supposed to do long-range on CB but, ya know, the car shouldn't "bzzzzzz" on weak CB stations, man! FWIW, the '79 TBird w/351W had two very small cats right against the manifold stubs. I don't think backpressure ever bothered these ultra-mild engines.
@xaenon
@xaenon 5 ай бұрын
they were ultra-mild partially BECAUSE of the cats.
@ml.2770
@ml.2770 5 ай бұрын
My father bought a new GMC truck in 1981. When he got it home he drained the beads onto the driveway and bought leaded gas. He didn't know how bad leaded gas was for people. It should have been ensured that unleaded gas wasn't more expensive than leaded when it was first introduced.
@bobroberts2371
@bobroberts2371 5 ай бұрын
Not to mention how leaded fuel corrodes exhaust systems, fouls plugs and increases engine wear. Leaded fuel has lead scavengers that are corrosive, this can also lead to cylinder bore / piston ring corrosion that will lock up a motor if it sits too long.
@johneckert1365
@johneckert1365 5 ай бұрын
​@bobroberts2371 stop it 🛑, leaded fuel was MUCH better for engines.
@curtislowe4577
@curtislowe4577 5 ай бұрын
​@@bobroberts2371References? That sounds like a lot of 'everybody knows' urban legend stuff. I come from a do the recommended maintenance family. Even back in the leaded days we never had an engine suffer any of those failures, especially fouled plugs. My folks always got excellent service and long mileage from their cars. Tetra ethyl lead raised the octane and provided exceptional anti-wear for the valve seat area. One of the first changes unleaded gas mandated was stellite valve seat inserts for the combustion chamber.
@bobroberts2371
@bobroberts2371 5 ай бұрын
@@johneckert1365 Apparently you were never around engines running leaded fuel. Exhaust systems might last 3 years, spark plugs lasted 15,000 if you were lucky, an engine that sat for a year usually locked up due to the lead scavengers I mentioned. Lead was added as a cheap octane improver.
@ml.2770
@ml.2770 5 ай бұрын
@@johneckert1365 Leaded fuel was terrible for humans. The major reduction in the homicide rate from the 70s to now tracks with the phase out of leaded fuel. Engines can deal with its loss.
@edwardallan197
@edwardallan197 5 ай бұрын
Utterly fascinating. I never heard about this, or saw it.
@rightlanehog3151
@rightlanehog3151 5 ай бұрын
Adam, I will never look at a '74 Thunderbird the same way. 😁
@Guns_N_Gears
@Guns_N_Gears 5 ай бұрын
My buddy had a Cutlass with the factory exhaust and besides the annoying rattle of the heatshield the floor was always damn hot
@greggc8088
@greggc8088 5 ай бұрын
Yeah, you had to be sure not to lay the ice cream you just bought from the grocery store in the passenger;s front floor board on the way home or it would melt. 🤣🤣
@namvet_13e
@namvet_13e 5 ай бұрын
I had a 1970 Oldsmobile F85 with a 350 v8 and a 3 speed manual shift on the column. I eventually found out that Olds had interlocked the spark advance so the engine got no vacuum advance until the engine was out of first gear. I believe later testing demonstrated this had no effect on emissions, but did reduce performance. I guess GM just decided they would do something like that and claim it reduced emissions to placate the EPA. My first catalytic converter equipped car was a Chrysler Cordoba with a 360 v8. As I got a little mileage on it I found it was very difficult to find any unleaded fuel that it would not tend to knock on. I think the EPA just wanted to take all the fun out of driving. ☹
@rogerdodrill4733
@rogerdodrill4733 5 ай бұрын
That was the result, doubt if it was goal
@mopar3502001
@mopar3502001 5 ай бұрын
Great video. You should also do a video on Ford's thermactor emission system. That was another very interesting strategy.
@GorgeousGeorge525
@GorgeousGeorge525 5 ай бұрын
My youngest just got his 1st classic car (1976 Thunderbird w/460 big block) and when he crawls underneath to change his 1st oil, he will check this one-cat setup! Interesting topic!
@SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman
@SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman 5 ай бұрын
helluva boat anchor for a 1st car! My aunt had a '74 460 that got about 8 mpg & in the mid '80s I had a '79 351W that got 12 mpg plus there was always some kind of issue with hers & mine but mine finally gave out when the crank pretty much exploded one day while I was driving to work so I sold the car for scrap metal, last Ford I ever owned
@greenbassboosts8872
@greenbassboosts8872 5 ай бұрын
Hard to believe it'd still be on there after all these years
@GorgeousGeorge525
@GorgeousGeorge525 5 ай бұрын
@@SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman he has a daily driver already: this is just a toy for him to learn from
@GorgeousGeorge525
@GorgeousGeorge525 5 ай бұрын
@@greenbassboosts8872 won't know until we get the creeper under it. Only 90k on it, and the car looks original, but who knows
@SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman
@SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman 5 ай бұрын
@@GorgeousGeorge525 oh thats cool, Im just glad he's got an old classic to fiddle with! My first was a '67 Firebird 326 4bbl that I got for $800 when I was 15 in '81 & at 16 I bought a '73 Plymouth Fury III Sport Coupe 360 4bbl for $300 & by the time I was a Senior in '84 I had a '78 Ttop Z28 that I got from a bank repo for the payoff of $1200! In '86 I bought for 1st new car, a Bandit II Edition Trans Am that I had until 1998! Man I wish I still had all those cars
@w.peterroberts9624
@w.peterroberts9624 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video Adam. The government was forcing lots down the throats of the car makers then with the costly bumpers and all the emission requirements.
@budmatto9205
@budmatto9205 5 ай бұрын
My uncle was a Ford mechanic into the late 80's. He hated working on T-birds due to the electrical gremlins...
@tomm1109
@tomm1109 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for showing the bumpers. The Thunderbirds and Mark IV always looked like they had way to much front end overhang in front of the wheels with those bumpers. I'm glad we got 1 good year in 72 of that bodystyle. Interestingly, the GM A body colonade style was supposed to come out in 72. I always wondered what a small bumper version of those cars would look like. If you can find any info it would make a great video.
@rbcrain2469
@rbcrain2469 5 ай бұрын
I loved the Mark 4s still do!
@SocialistDistancing
@SocialistDistancing 5 ай бұрын
I drove an Ltd almost identical to that one. Even the same color. A very smooth ride.
@marccurzon
@marccurzon 5 ай бұрын
the difference in backpressure across different cylinder banks must be chill as I notice that the saab B308E engine, a version of a gm v6, has "asymmetrical turbo charging," or that the turbo is only connected to the exhaust manifold from one of the v6 cylinder banks.
@quick65filly
@quick65filly 5 ай бұрын
I got my license in a 75 T-Bird. It had the big 460, but pretty doggy.
@geofjones9
@geofjones9 5 ай бұрын
Had a '76 Olds, '76 Buick, and '93 Cadillac. Removed, hollowed out, and replaced converters on all. They passed smog tests, got better gas milage, and ran with more power.
@butchs.4239
@butchs.4239 5 ай бұрын
I'd expect the bonding straps shown and mentioned were intended to suppress noise from the ignition system.
@kurtb3606
@kurtb3606 5 ай бұрын
Had a 1975 Mustang II with 302..from factory did not come with any cats...was strange for 1975.
@greenstang
@greenstang 5 ай бұрын
my 75 lincoln town coupe the one cat setup
@theonlywoody2shoes
@theonlywoody2shoes 5 ай бұрын
Was the smog/emissions probe always inserted on the drivers side tail pipe? If so, why bother with the expense of fitting a catalytic converter to the passenger side if that exhaust was never sampled?
@1936Studebaker
@1936Studebaker 5 ай бұрын
Ford Australia went a different way altogether, we had a Charcoal canister fitted to the firewall, it was small and neat and tapped into the air cleaner and intake manifold. The charcoal canister was used from 1975 -1988 when Ford then changed over to a catalectic converter. It was used on the Non cross flow and cross flow inline 6 cylinders and on both the 302 and 351 Cleveland's. The two Cleveland engines were discontinued in 1982 after having been first introduce back in 1969 but the remain stocks were sold in some F trucks and LTD's until 84 and by the time the canister was discontinued in 1988 it had been fitted to 3 generations of inline 6's. GM Australia (Holden) also used the same type of canister until 1988.
@jackierabbit450
@jackierabbit450 5 ай бұрын
I swear the front end of some of those Fords look identical to the front end of Chrysler's from the same era, specifically the 1973 1974 Chrysler Newport...
@recoilrob324
@recoilrob324 5 ай бұрын
Asymmetric back pressure on a V8 worked to push exhaust through the crossover passage in the intake manifold which heated the area right under the carburetor. This vaporized the fuel better and helped them run on a leaner mixture. Many non-catalyst engines had 'heat riser' flappers in one side exhaust to do the same thing by blocking the flow and forcing more through the crossover passage. Some of these were thermostatically controlled by a bi-metal spring while others used a vacuum can controlled by a temperature sensing switch in the cooling system. I'm SO glad all of the emission controls used in the late '70's and through the '80's are gone now thanks to Fuel Injection and better combustion chamber technology.
@ProjectFairmont
@ProjectFairmont 5 ай бұрын
The Swiss cheese frame area is quite robust. Those transition angles bridging the the frame under the engine and supporting the suspension to the frame rails are two frame rails welded together. Having analyzed this on my own car these holes are IMO to minimize the collection of debris keeping them open. Boxed frames in general have a tendency to hold debris and potentially rot versus a C channel frame.
@martin-vv9lf
@martin-vv9lf 5 ай бұрын
I've seen it said the gm didn't give away the catalytic converter for the public good, it was a form of market protectionism as they had a monopoly on building them, can't recall fully but i think it was the internal components. basically competitors had to buy from them at a markup so by introducing the law they would have an unfair advantage.
@wramsey2656
@wramsey2656 5 ай бұрын
A negative of the GM converter was as you say was a real hit to efficiency (loss of MPG); thus, it increased CO2 emissions (no body cared about CO2 but they sure cared about mpg {remember the energy crisis of the 1970s?}. I recall the early models (1975-78) had hesitation problems and it was linked to the lower combustion engines, lower octane gas, and those converters. Fortunately JC Whitney came to the rescue for our family and sold Catalytic Converter "Test Pipes". As as 17 year old i was able to remove the pancakes on my mom's new 1978 Firebird, my Uncle's 1978 Camaro, and my 1978 Camaro. The result exceeded our expectations with improved mpg, hesitation issues were gone, more horsepower, and as a little cream on the top, an engine with some decent roar. It became normal at the time to do this procedure as those GM converters were horrible. Because the converters were bolt on, the test pipes slid in with ease and bolted up ready to go. Oh one more thing those GM converters started many a grass fire in our agricultural areas as the converters were very hot, several people lost their cars due to grass fires. Notice Ford had screens on their converters for cooling improvement. Great video it brought back a lot of memories and no i never went to prison. This was a prime example of a so called solution which made more problems. Great video brought back a lot of good memories.
@corgiowner436
@corgiowner436 5 ай бұрын
The GM system killed dual exhausts.
@Ascotman
@Ascotman 5 ай бұрын
yes, 1977 Pontiac Police "Enforcer" Lemans 400 4V with single exhaust! I owned two of them, could not top 110 MPH.
@SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman
@SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman 5 ай бұрын
@@Ascotman yea even the Trans Am for '77 was single into one muffler & twin exhaust! Of course I ripped all that out & put headers & true duals on mine
@mikee2923
@mikee2923 5 ай бұрын
True. Nothing after 1974 came from GM with true dual exhaust. It was also the reason the Trans Am/Firebird went from using the Turbo 400 to the Turbo 350 in 1975. The Turbo 400 wouldn’t fit due to the catalytic converter. Anything Pontiac built with a 400 or 455 came with a Turbo 400 otherwise. My personal belief is Pontiac initially killed the 455 option in the Trans Am in 1975 because they couldn’t back it with the Turbo 400. When they brought it back in mid 75, you had to get the super T-10 4 speed. That remained true for 76 until the 455 was dropped all together.
@CharredSteak
@CharredSteak 5 ай бұрын
3rd gen camaros lol
@utuBrV1oI
@utuBrV1oI 5 ай бұрын
@@SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman The Macho(lol) t/a came with 2 cats & no mufflers - i wonder if they were both GM pancake mufflers .
@JeTTRod
@JeTTRod 5 ай бұрын
The multiple ground straps helped reduce the buzz in the radio/stereo speakers, along with plug wires being improved over the years for the same reason...
@johnde2754
@johnde2754 5 ай бұрын
Yes, we're fairly certain that dual cross-member reinforcement was Ford's relatively INexpensive attempt at structural rigidity. In essence, giving a wallowy "land yacht" less body roll particularly in cornering. A relatively simple road handling improvement with a cost that most likely won the approval of the FoMoCo "bean counters" of that era. 🚘🔍. 💸. Many Thanks Yo !
@SteveBbb-y6d
@SteveBbb-y6d 5 ай бұрын
I always wondered why in movies and tv shows with american fords and the like why one side exhaust would spew more than another when they sped off.
@leewaken5059
@leewaken5059 5 ай бұрын
My "75" Corvette was anemic!🤦🏻‍♂
@bradpnw1897
@bradpnw1897 5 ай бұрын
More like choked almost to death
@HarmonRAB-hp4nk
@HarmonRAB-hp4nk 5 ай бұрын
hmm sorry one challenge us in our kit car coming off a highway off ramp it was a gt40 kit on a porsche frame... we went around at highway speed... he slide of and hit the fence. didnt have the heart to tell him it was a volkwagon 1865 cc in it LOL he truly believed it was a gt40 LOL we got a 6 cyl in it later and nothing could tough it. oh it only weghed 1200 pounds lol :-).. 18" tires.. I dont think you could peel that thing off the pavement it had so much traction it was llike driving a rc car.
@Bagel-the-Beagle-1
@Bagel-the-Beagle-1 5 ай бұрын
My 2000 explorer is too! Leaks everything but trans fluid!
@buzzwaldron6195
@buzzwaldron6195 5 ай бұрын
From internal engine changes... correctable with about $200 in parts...
@markdrake2715
@markdrake2715 5 ай бұрын
My Dad had a 75 Camaro. It sounded good, but very anemic, too. 165 hp, I believe...
@61rampy65
@61rampy65 5 ай бұрын
I bought a new 75 Mustang II with the 302 V8 and C4 auto trans. It came with no cats and a true dual exhaust. Well, dual exhaust pipes and a 2 in/ 2 out muffler. It had the unleaded gas filler neck, an air pump and all of 129 hp. The day after the warranty expired, I installed an aluminum intake, 4bbl Holley, and a mild cam. Also put 3:55 gears and limited slip diff. Still not a rocked sled, but strong enough to beat a 77 Trans-Am. The 76 Mustangs all had cats and single exhaust. Fun fact: my dad worked for Universal Oil Products in 1960. His job was to just drive around a prescribed route. His company car was a 57 Chevy where UOP was testing catalytic converters. I was only about 7, but I remember the car always had a funny smell when he got home. Little did we know, he was testing the future!
@user-qd8kn8ji7l
@user-qd8kn8ji7l 5 ай бұрын
My first car was a 1976 Mercury Cougar XR7 that weighed 4600 lbs. It had a 351 Windsor with 2BBL carb and single exhaust. When I had a dual exhaust system installed is when I discovered that it had a single cat on the driver side as shown in this video. However, the cat was smaller than the cat shown in this video. When I received my car back from the muffler shop that installed the dual exhaust, I removed the cat, hammered the ceramic material out of the cat housing, and then reinstalled the empty cat back onto the car. Never had an issue with the cat afterward.
@joecummings1260
@joecummings1260 5 ай бұрын
I used to change those pellets when I was a mechanic at Chevy long long ago. They came in what looked like a big coffee can. You opened the plug with a container under it to catch the pellets and tapped the converter with a rubber mallet until they all fell out. Then there was a plastic tube about 18" long that fit in the hole the plug came out of. You hooked a vacuum to the tailpipe and opened the can of new pellets and held it under the end of the plastic tube so it sucked them all back up into the converter while tapping it with the mallet so they all packed tight. when they all were in, you put the plug back in. Then you put the old pellets back into the can, sealed the lid, marked it as return and GM took them back. It was part of some periodic service, but I can't remember which one. I never saw anybody do it once the cars were out of warranty and never saw a private garage do it
@joebutchko2223
@joebutchko2223 5 ай бұрын
Going to guess the holes in the torque boxes and the presence of the cross bracing are related- trying to control where any flexing took place, and where it didn't.
@NorthernChev
@NorthernChev 5 ай бұрын
Anyone else here remember hollowing out the unleaded restrictor plate in their filler neck to continue using leaded fuel back then? ...not realizing until much later it would ruin the converter, of course. At which point they then simply cut out or empty the converter. It was an oddly simpler yet much more complicated time, the 1970s was...
@xaenon
@xaenon 5 ай бұрын
I remember it. My older brother did that, only he had NOT removed the catalytic converter. The converter became partially clogged and the car would not run right. He figured he'd ruined the car, so he put it up for sale. I convinced him to sell it to me. The first thing I did was swap out the exhaust (including the ruined converter) for duals. A tune up and carb tweak and vroom vroom. Still wasn't very fast, but it sounded kinda badass.
@NorthernChev
@NorthernChev 5 ай бұрын
@@xaenon Yeah, I bought SO many 70s cars in the early 80s that had hollowed out filler necks and ruined converters.
@stevelacombe5291
@stevelacombe5291 5 ай бұрын
Those Mark IV’s were better looking than any Caddy.
@am74343
@am74343 5 ай бұрын
The wire mesh grids on the fenders were because they used plastic inner fenders and had to make grounds for the voltage regulator, ignition module, and starter solenoid.
@mrw417
@mrw417 5 ай бұрын
My 1975 Continental had a cat on one side (driver's, as I recall) and exhaust-side air injection from a mechanical pump on the other. It was a 460, super quiet and powerful. I don't recall any cross struts or grounding straps. It did have a lot of vacuum devices (headlight doors, climate controls, etc), so the engine bay was full of vacuum accumulator cans and hoses.
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