Raspberry Pi 4 TerraPi Rig

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ExplainingComputers

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@lmaoroflcopter
@lmaoroflcopter 4 жыл бұрын
This program always gives me massive "How 2" vibes from children's TV in the 90s. I love this presentation format.
@Exoamylase
@Exoamylase 4 жыл бұрын
And that is HOW for now
@Ianstuff2023
@Ianstuff2023 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah this guy gives me Tim Hunkin vibes
@ajcaldecott3840
@ajcaldecott3840 4 жыл бұрын
I totally said something about a 90s vibe to one his videos yesterday! I love this guy.
@gordslater
@gordslater 4 жыл бұрын
Check out "Look Around You" episodes for the ultimate retro TV spoof - though if you're born after about 1978 you may wonder what is going on. It's nerd comedy disguised as 1970s school TV programs
@lvill3633
@lvill3633 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, me too 😌 A video version of "for Dummies" tech books 😆
@RoboNuggie
@RoboNuggie 4 жыл бұрын
Love how when Christopher realised he had put the fan mount the wrong way round, he was "Oh" - I think I may have used some slightly colourful metaphors to express my frustrations... :-) Nice kit, thanks for the review!
@RoboNuggie
@RoboNuggie 4 жыл бұрын
@jason crigger Indeed, colourful.
@Tuulos
@Tuulos 4 жыл бұрын
Definitely colourful, indeed.
@aloysiussnailchaser272
@aloysiussnailchaser272 4 жыл бұрын
RoboNuggie I liked how his clever bit of editing glossed over the fact that he was within a gnat's crochet of also putting the base on the wrong way up. Note how the GPIO pins magically transmogrify from the top to the bottom at 6:52.
@RoboNuggie
@RoboNuggie 4 жыл бұрын
@@aloysiussnailchaser272 I'm shocked :-)
@cheshirecat6519
@cheshirecat6519 4 жыл бұрын
I knew nothing about the Pi when I got the recommandation for your video. Now I am obsessed by it. Planning my own project. Thanks for all the videos!
@tubegor
@tubegor 4 жыл бұрын
Conclusion: A fan that directly cools the CPU surface is just as efficient as blowing through a keyhole. The increase in the CPU area is crucial.
@DerWand
@DerWand 4 жыл бұрын
just add heatpipes
@x3roxide
@x3roxide 4 жыл бұрын
the increased surface area using fin stacks is always going to be superior than just having a fan blow directly onto the cpu.
@DarkLinkAD
@DarkLinkAD 4 жыл бұрын
I guess you should carve grooves into the silicon for increased surface area.
@x3roxide
@x3roxide 4 жыл бұрын
@@DarkLinkAD funny you should mention that. I believe researchers have been trying just that. Also filling up the groves with copper and experimenting with water cooling
@DarkLinkAD
@DarkLinkAD 4 жыл бұрын
@@x3roxide Gamers Nexus or De8aur right? ,I cant remember.
@dannyvell8834
@dannyvell8834 4 жыл бұрын
I got into these small computers because I was searching up raspberry pie recipes .......I’m a noob now but I can’t wait to understand all this tech talk
@shinigamilee5915
@shinigamilee5915 4 жыл бұрын
I really love how you always provide prices adjusted for currancy rates.
@dfhayak
@dfhayak 4 жыл бұрын
This is my first video with this gentleman, and it was fabulous. At first I was like who's this "Mr. Rogers" wanna be, but by the end I was in absolute love with him. I will be around to see other videos and I hope they are as upbeat as this was. Great video and very informative by the way.
@Super61a
@Super61a 3 жыл бұрын
the bob ross of teaching basic computer stuff and its great. i come round for the pi videos and delv into others frequently as well.
@TheGrisu486
@TheGrisu486 4 жыл бұрын
The same procedure as last sunday afternoon? The same procedure as every sundyay afternoon! Having great teatime with Christopher B.! Ideas absorbed, parts ordered, construction time is coming ... Thank you made my day!
@ricdintino9502
@ricdintino9502 4 жыл бұрын
Other than not shipping screws with the fan, it sounds like a good experience.
@inux3dmanufacturing
@inux3dmanufacturing 4 жыл бұрын
They actually do!
@rikprince8414
@rikprince8414 4 жыл бұрын
An interesting solution for mounting. This could come in quite handy when placing a PI inside a project box. The vertical mount is a space saver for sure. Another interesting video, Sir!
@eljuano28
@eljuano28 4 жыл бұрын
My Pi finally arrived the 18th and the accessories are due tomorrow the 21st. Took me a year to actually get around to it for various children... er, various reasons, that is, but we're excited and I'm glad I waited because I was able to get the 4B 8G and RPi OS 64 seems to be getting very close to maturing. I went with a simple aluminum armor case with dual fans built in since I live in the desert and summer temperatures are a serious issue even before any overclock. I've taken everything into account I've learned from your experience on the channel and my intended use, (those children I mentioned, mostly,) and I thank you greatly for the education. This will be the first family computer we've had, (schools provided Chromebooks for them, so they know at least how to navigate a GUI,) and I've only had a phone as a computer for about 15 years, so the Pi is actually perfect for starting over. I hope you're well and I'll see you in the next video.
@sensorequipment8283
@sensorequipment8283 4 жыл бұрын
Ha, a deserted user - you seem to be the one our passive coolercase is aimed for. CooliPi .... kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJPdfIBrjd2fhaM
@kjrchannel1480
@kjrchannel1480 4 жыл бұрын
An RPI should always have at least a small heatsink anyway. If you were to use the stock fan with the heatsink the temps might be at least 5 degrees cooler as a guess. I have no idea if this observation has been repeated.
@jb31842
@jb31842 4 жыл бұрын
I was hoping to see that same experiment... the video can only be so long of course, but it would be most informative to see how much of the benefit is attributed to the heat sink versus a particular model of fan.
@skyak4493
@skyak4493 4 жыл бұрын
An added benefit to that vertical mounting is that in the event of fan failure the thermo-syphon effect will cool the CPU.
@Argus10q
@Argus10q 4 жыл бұрын
This channel is still where I find useful parts for my raspberry pi and I love it
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers 4 жыл бұрын
Great to hear!
@horseradishpower9947
@horseradishpower9947 4 жыл бұрын
Looks good, but I think I will still be sticking with my Argon One computer case. Gotten used to everything out one end, and a power switch.
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers 4 жыл бұрын
The Argon One is indeed a great case.
@JamesEzell
@JamesEzell 4 жыл бұрын
I'm very happy with mine
@AnttiNannimus1
@AnttiNannimus1 4 жыл бұрын
@@ExplainingComputers I like them so much I bought four of them, and gifted one to my brother! Thank you, sir, for pointing us to them. Best RPi case ever. So far.
@stephenelliott7071
@stephenelliott7071 4 жыл бұрын
The Argon One Case doesn't fit a SSD Drive so the two are completely different products! You'd need to have the SSD Drive hanging out the side, which is no bad thing but the point of this product is to have a SSD and pi as one unit.
@deanlawson6880
@deanlawson6880 4 жыл бұрын
Oh AWESome!! I love these Argon One cases! Definitely going to setup one of these with a nice new 8Gb Ras-Pi 4B!! Excellent!!
@termile510
@termile510 4 жыл бұрын
How do people have the heart to dislike Chris’ videos? I seriously can’t think why
@mickelodiansurname9578
@mickelodiansurname9578 4 жыл бұрын
I think statistically you could write it off as a misclick on a small screened phone? Maybe?
@mickelodiansurname9578
@mickelodiansurname9578 4 жыл бұрын
In fact maybe Chris could tell us how many of those dislikes are current subscribers.... Cos that'd tell us right?
@plica06
@plica06 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe some subscribers are getting fed up with yet another SBC video.
@mickelodiansurname9578
@mickelodiansurname9578 4 жыл бұрын
@@plica06 Well, in fairness you may have a point. But, it's a Sunday thing for some of us, a ritual perhaps.
@billkaroly
@billkaroly 4 жыл бұрын
I think there are people who click dislike on every video they watch or start watching.
@BongoBaggins
@BongoBaggins 4 жыл бұрын
These are proper technology programmes which should be on telly before the 6 o'clock news
@commenterperson4481
@commenterperson4481 4 жыл бұрын
Does indeed look like a "very solid construction". Well designed, well made. Good job INUX
@Yukeake
@Yukeake 4 жыл бұрын
With some slightly longer spacers/bolts, it looks like this might accommodate a low-profile PoE hat/shim as well, which would eliminate a cable going into the side (for those of us running headless pis)
@srtcsb
@srtcsb 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice setup. The SSD puts out a significant amount of heat as well, so the extra cooling was a good idea. Always good value Chris... Thanks for another great video.
@Okurka.
@Okurka. 4 жыл бұрын
Cooling SSD chips makes them fail prematurely.
@srtcsb
@srtcsb 4 жыл бұрын
@@Okurka. I'm not suggesting that cooling the SSD is or isn't necessary. Just saying that device puts out more heat than other possible storage solutions (a willing trade off) , so extra cooling for the SBC chips is a good idea. Chris' assembly is not completely enclosed, but adequate cooling for this setup would definitely be needed, should it reside in an enclosure.
@sensorequipment8283
@sensorequipment8283 4 жыл бұрын
@@Okurka. No. Cooling SSD chips makes them need to write with with slightly smaller current (which may fit your explanations), but losing data faster due to higher temperatures. High temperatures (say above 50degC) IMHO have negative impact even on writing.
@SmithyScotland
@SmithyScotland 4 жыл бұрын
TerraPi fan with heatsink might give same results as more expensive fan? Wonder if the pi could be mounted other way round to keep usb cable tighter.
@donkeyk1988
@donkeyk1988 4 жыл бұрын
It’d probably improve a bit but Noctua fans are some of the best (if not the best) on the market - the air flow it’ll be pushing will be considerably higher than the no-name fan that was supplied. I’d be confident in saying most of the improvement is from the fan and not the heat sink.
@vgamesx1
@vgamesx1 4 жыл бұрын
@@donkeyk1988 A heat sink is all about adding surface area and ideally getting the heat away from the object faster rather than tying to dissipate heat from where it originates, having ANY heatsink would provide a greater improvement over simply blowing air over a tiny metal plate. Edit: He even provided proof of this in the video at 10:35, this "case" was by far the worst cooling solution, even when compared to a completely passive solution.
@JessicaFEREM
@JessicaFEREM 4 жыл бұрын
You're not installing an SSD to the pi, you're installing the pi onto an SSD :p
@maxklassen254
@maxklassen254 4 жыл бұрын
Lmao yeah correct xD might be the best and cheapest nas solution u could get for money. I´d be curious what he plans to run on that monster xD
@100marksstudents2
@100marksstudents2 4 жыл бұрын
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@tiltednite2366
@tiltednite2366 4 жыл бұрын
@@maxklassen254 mincraft on 720p 15 FPS
@Simcore999
@Simcore999 4 жыл бұрын
Re-Watching your older fan solutions, I wonder if using thermal paste between the pi-Shim would yield more interesting results for the simpler solution?
@VideosfromNH
@VideosfromNH 4 жыл бұрын
No one can resist the bubble wrap fun after unpacking, ha ha. Edit: I not only watch this for informative content, but also for the occasional comedic comment slipped in.
@billgrey
@billgrey 4 жыл бұрын
Definitely look forward to the dry humor.
@earnests5375
@earnests5375 4 жыл бұрын
Can you make a dedicated video about overcocking raspberry pi zero
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers 4 жыл бұрын
The process is the same as in my recent Pi 4 overclocking video -- just with different values.
@hoagy_ytfc
@hoagy_ytfc 4 жыл бұрын
Fanhat didn’t last long as word of the day, it’s been usurped by “overcocking”
@mickelodiansurname9578
@mickelodiansurname9578 4 жыл бұрын
My missus has as much as she can contend with in the overcocking department..... Any more and she'd end up wobbling when she walked!
@earnests5375
@earnests5375 4 жыл бұрын
Because chromium is hanging with the cpu load of 100%
@earnests5375
@earnests5375 4 жыл бұрын
And the disadvantage is it has single core with 1 ghz speed
@plica06
@plica06 4 жыл бұрын
Christopher. Your videos always have a lot of detail but you never do justice to summarizing it all at the end. All we ever get is about 2 or 3 sentences. I'm always left thinking your videos leave way more food for thought than you ever discuss at the end.
@plica06
@plica06 4 жыл бұрын
What I'm left feeling at the end of this video is... this is a great little 3D printed solution but actually I don't want to connect an SSD to my Pi 4 with the bottleneck of a USB connection. The Raspberry Pi is crying out for an M2 and an eMMC connector and why doesn't my Pi 4 have these already since so many other SBCs have them??
@JimHendrickson
@JimHendrickson 4 жыл бұрын
Nice review. I'd be curious what the CPU temp is under normal or medium load (not stressed) without the included fan and with a HAT. If I were to opt into active cooling I would probably use an aftermarket fan like you did during the second part of the video, as I really dislike bright blue LESs on everything.
@DevilsHandyman
@DevilsHandyman 4 жыл бұрын
Noctura fans are amazing. I replaced every fan that came with my computer case with the equivalent size Noctura and the system runs coolly but more importantly quietly. I did spend a small fortune for so many of the 140mm and 120mm fans though!
@sensorequipment8283
@sensorequipment8283 4 жыл бұрын
We've chosen a 60mm Noctua fan for our Pi 4B coolercase. But as it turned out (and was anticipated), it's not necessary except for some extreme ambient temperatures. Main reasons: - keep it quiet - keep it reliable (some 150000 hours of lifetime at default voltage) - have enough space for eventual dust (both on a fan and the cooler itself). we've ended up with a 215g block of CNC milled aluminium :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJPdfIBrjd2fhaM
@johngoverts4166
@johngoverts4166 4 жыл бұрын
A great video, as ever. But please allow a (relative) newbie question: The video shows the core temperature in the taskbar. How does one get it there? I've tried adding an app there, but CPU temp is not listed among the choices (CPU % is).
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. I show adding the panel (taskbar) for this early in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iqqVZH5qnJaHr8k
@johngoverts4166
@johngoverts4166 4 жыл бұрын
ExplainingComputers Got it, thank you. Odd how I missed such an obvious option...
@none941
@none941 4 жыл бұрын
I'd like to know how the Terra Pi rig cools with the simple addition of the heat sink you added to the Noctua rig. Comparing a fan without heatsink to a fan with a heatsink seems to me to be an apples to oranges comparison. Given what we have learned about the thermal properties of the RPi4, running one without a heatsink seems a fool's errand, no?
@horstschlumma8501
@horstschlumma8501 4 жыл бұрын
Second that. With or without heatsink should make a bigger difference than with or without the stock fan.
@cokeforever
@cokeforever 4 жыл бұрын
but the point is to compare experience for someone who just bought this solution and how is cooling in stock to adding a heatsink and brand-fan
@russellbaker4256
@russellbaker4256 4 жыл бұрын
8/10. Just need to repeat the test with/without heatsink, so we can see how much is Noctua fan & how much is the heatsink responsible
@johndoudar6395
@johndoudar6395 4 жыл бұрын
Just purchased this kit and might be worth pointing out it ships from Slovakia. Ordered it on Sunday 27 Dec and it arrived on the 29 Dec, amazing speed considering it includes a bank holiday on the 28 Dec.
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers 4 жыл бұрын
That is very good service. :)
@donaldduck5731
@donaldduck5731 4 жыл бұрын
I'm putting a PI camera & lens and a Google Coral USB Accelerator for vision recognition on my clocked Rig, along with the tower ICE heat pipe cooler. I just have no idea what the Coral USB Accelerator is or how to use it, but I think it's a must have.
@SeanPorterPDX
@SeanPorterPDX 4 жыл бұрын
I would have been interested to see the temps with the terrapi stock fan and the added heat sink as well... just to see how their fan compares to the noctua.
@johntdavis9196
@johntdavis9196 4 жыл бұрын
Great review. Thanks! I also appreciate the look at your script for testing cooler performance. I've adopted it into my utility script folder. My Ice Tower only hit 49 degrees C once, and otherwise spent most of its time around 48 degrees C. I think this is the first time I've had a way to really log and stress test it.
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers 4 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped!
@witteblich6062
@witteblich6062 4 жыл бұрын
I use Ice Tower in passive cooling mode (i.e., with the fan dismantled). Keeps my Raspberry Pi 3B at 55 degrees C while the room temperature is about 20C. The Pi is in vertical position, which helps air to cool the fins (I hope). As for the fan... it started making noises after a week's use. ADD: and by the way, I overclocked my Pi to 1400 MHz (the stock frequency being 1200). Thanks for your excellent video on overclocking, Chris!
@markusfischhaber8178
@markusfischhaber8178 4 жыл бұрын
I have very good success with normal screws in PLA prints. They hold really good
@sensorequipment8283
@sensorequipment8283 4 жыл бұрын
I have very good success with M2.5 screws in PETG too. They hold very firmly. The hole is some 0.2mm smaller than the nominal screw diameter, that's enough for them to hold ok.
@sannidhyabalkote9536
@sannidhyabalkote9536 4 жыл бұрын
I am late , but WHEN ARE YOU GOING RELEASE MR.SCISSORS ANTHEM
@massmo2007
@massmo2007 4 жыл бұрын
Snippity doo dah?
@jayrowe6473
@jayrowe6473 4 жыл бұрын
@@massmo2007 Perfect!
@sihledotcom
@sihledotcom 4 жыл бұрын
What do you call the intro song then?
@ryanmalin
@ryanmalin 4 жыл бұрын
Hope you're all having a wonderful weekend!
@ForrestRhoads
@ForrestRhoads 4 жыл бұрын
Your videos are always so well done. Thank you. Incidentally, thanks to your previous instructional video, I now have FreeNAS running on an Odyssey SBC with Pi-Hole running on a VM therein. (Turns out the most difficult task was figuring out that the screw attaching the ssd to the Odyssey came in two parts). Now I'm going to install Wireguard on a RP4 running PiVPN. No rest for the wicked.
@nandalalkoiri1062
@nandalalkoiri1062 4 жыл бұрын
Still love the "closer look"
@100marksstudents2
@100marksstudents2 4 жыл бұрын
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@RedHeat
@RedHeat 4 жыл бұрын
Love your stuff Christopher. It’s always nice checking in to see the RPI stuff, I think its amazing how far those have come, I got rid of all my Sun Sparc machines as soon as they came around, keeping up with the joneses though- its not as expensive as with the Sparcs I can tell you! Really great things for the amateur hobbyist and experimentalist. Cooling has been an important area for me as the transmitters that these Pis are controlling aren’t exactly cool 🧊 gadgets! Stay awesome.
@MrWachtus
@MrWachtus 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. I ordered two cases just to clean up my workspace. I will try to combine it with the icetower.
@NewAgeDIY
@NewAgeDIY 4 жыл бұрын
I believe that it’s going to be hard to find this kit available on Amazon.ca A 3D printed parts could be easy designed to provide the same results. Hopefully someone will work on that in the near future. I understand that the Raspberry Pi corporate has now posted the official boot to USB updated.
@timezonewall
@timezonewall 4 жыл бұрын
He said they were 3D printed, but they looked injection molded. Would like to find STL files for this, looks like it's easy and relatively fast to print. As you said though, not that hard to just design something similar.
@Rick-vm8bl
@Rick-vm8bl 4 жыл бұрын
@@timezonewall Nah they were 3d printed, whilst one side has a slight texture to it you can see the layer lines on the other side very clearly. At 4:51 take a look at the base part screwed into the ssd.
@100marksstudents2
@100marksstudents2 4 жыл бұрын
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@stroupman
@stroupman 4 жыл бұрын
I very much like the way this handles the placement of the ssd. I have seen other arrangements for the pi that do not handle this so elegantly.
@intrax2tv
@intrax2tv 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe some explanation how the dual version places the second drive would have been nice. Thanks anyway !
@Un_Pour_Tous
@Un_Pour_Tous 4 жыл бұрын
@ExplainingComputers So what do you think about nvida buying out ARM?
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers 4 жыл бұрын
A very interesting development. On the one hand probably positive, as NVIDIA is a solid tech company with an interest in seeing ARM thrive. On the other hand, ARM is no longer independent of those who make or use its chips. Time will tell!
@drishalballaney
@drishalballaney 4 жыл бұрын
@@ExplainingComputers what of linux then?
@augurseer
@augurseer 4 жыл бұрын
I think it will be ok. Nvidia will enjoy the royalties and ARM will have deeper pockets for development.
@parrotraiser6541
@parrotraiser6541 4 жыл бұрын
@@drishalballaney Even more than Unix. Linux is blissfully indifferent to the underlying hardware, (subject to a little bit of really low-level code for weird devices). . If there's a C compiler than will emit object code for it, somebody will have Linux running on it by teat-time.
@Un_Pour_Tous
@Un_Pour_Tous 4 жыл бұрын
@@ExplainingComputers Agree. Lets hope GNU is still a thing in the future.
@RoshiGaming
@RoshiGaming 4 жыл бұрын
Although I like how the final product looks, and I think overall this is a step in the right direction, I can't help but think that it would still be nice to have a more solid (mostly) enclosed case without wires sticking out and about when you've got it all completed. I've envisioned something with 1 of the USB's being inaccessible to the outside world (permanently attached to a board internally that is used for SSD connections) and a hole on the side for the fan to blow out, maybe a little flip out "door" of sorts for the GPIO connectors, etc etc. This would be more for the type of person who doesn't constantly want to change their Pi configuration around of course, but more for the person who wants it to be self contained and "just work" while not exposing too much of the board to the outside world. And after typing all this I've come to think maybe I ought to venture on to create my own if I can't find it out in the Pi world :)
@BeOurBee
@BeOurBee 4 жыл бұрын
I agree, but if it were still mostly constructed the same then I'd prefer a solid jumper board between the SSD and the Pi's lower USB 3 port. With the case being purpose-built, it's not as though the location will vary.
@esbrasill
@esbrasill 4 жыл бұрын
So true, I dont like the cable sticking out like that also, the rest of the kit can be replaced by some double sided tape, or have the fun of 3d printing a bracket yourself. Sorry, i just fail to see the added value
@monchiabbad
@monchiabbad 4 жыл бұрын
Try the noctua fan without heatsink to compare to the other fan config
@iceman442ho
@iceman442ho 4 жыл бұрын
Why was the stock fan not tested with the heat sink?
@andrewr7820
@andrewr7820 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I would expect the improvement to be more a function of the increased thermal transfer area than a different fan, though I don't know the respective CFM ratings on the fans...
@globalhell5046
@globalhell5046 4 жыл бұрын
Cute thing. What about ICE Tower with Noctua fan?
@wammo12345
@wammo12345 4 жыл бұрын
I like the SATA cable with cord exiting from the side, would be great if they did the same side exit cord with the USB end as well.
@creation_nono
@creation_nono 4 жыл бұрын
Anyone knows if there is any danger powering fan from RPI? Fans are induction loads, which cause high voltage spikes when you turn them off.
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers 4 жыл бұрын
It is safe to power a fan from the Pi's 5V rail, as this takes power before the voltage regulator (it is tapping the USB adapter input directly). It is not safe to power a fan from the Pi's 3.3V rail, as this comes after the voltage regulator, and as you say a voltage spike from a motor on this rail could seriously damage the Pi. Some people do apparently power fans from the 3.3V rail, but it is risky.
@creation_nono
@creation_nono 4 жыл бұрын
ExplainingComputers thanks for explanation. But is then usb power supply in danger?
@sensorequipment8283
@sensorequipment8283 4 жыл бұрын
​@@creation_nono Fans are induction load at the commute wires. Means that the ends of its windings have some inductor between them - induction of the coils, measured in Henrys. But the coils in a fan are "hidden" behind a commuter, necessary to change polarity of windings' current for the motor to actually spin. Some motors are three phase, some (stepper and small fan motors) use two phases with two changing polarities on each phase to spin. Stepper motors are also of this latter design. At the terminals of a fan, you see only commuting electronics. All of these fans have electronic commuting, no actual classic commuter between the windings and the power rail (5V, 12V, ..) So the question is, can the voltage rail (5V, 3.3V) supply this commuting electronics? For the USB charger at 5V, the answer is yes - the charger (actually power supply) can sustain even some pulsed load, it has been designed to handle it. Some really crappy "chargers" for phones may actually fluctuate its voltage depending on load - but that would be chargers for 20 years old Nokias. Modern power supplies can deliver 1 to 3 Amps of current. A typical fan eats about 100 milliAmps. Back to the 3.3V rail on Raspberry Pi. The documentation states somewhere, that it's only auxiliary power, so that you can power some 100mA of current with it securely. We have used it for running a medium 60mm Noctua fan on top of our CooliPi cooler ( kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJPdfIBrjd2fhaM ) without any problem. The fan is 5Volt, but at 3.3V it's even quieter. Your mileage may vary as soon as you add some other load to it, i.e. a HAT with its own power consumption on the 3.3V rail. So, to wrap it up, it's safer to include your own switching or linear voltage regulator that is powered from the 5V rail and outputs some 3.3V or even higher voltage for a fan. But as I've written, unless you add some other load, you don't need this for small and even medium fans. To further extend my answer to stepper motors - stepper motors with a permanent magnet, such as those in contemporary 3D printers can destroy its drivers and even the driving electronics (powered from the same circuit) IF YOU MOVE THEM MANUALLY too fast. Because they start to act as an alternator - actually generating current on its terminals. So, if you turn off a 3D printer (I've tried with Prusa i3) and MOVE SOME AXIS TOO FAST, the display blinks. Because the motor is feeding the power supply rail back with its own output, and through protection diodes it gets to the power rail of the PSU. So, Prusa i3 is 24Volt, the motor supplies some current/voltage to it and the changers/switchers start to generate output voltage (5V, 3.3V, etc) from this 24V rail. Sorry for such long explanation.
@perrymcclusky4695
@perrymcclusky4695 4 жыл бұрын
I have to admit that it looks impressive all put together and for an open case, the board looks fairly protected, yet I have two concerns. First, I feel a little uncomfortable with the SSD supporting everything with two bolts in it. Second, I also worry about the power and video cables sticking out the top. Those sockets on the board look so fragile! I’m not sure I’d feel comfortable even using 90 degree cable adapters. Still, I would be tempted to use this setup, if the Pi was set safely out of the way from bumbling humans and the cables were securely tied so there wasn’t any possibility of torque on the board’s connections. If there is ever an improved version of the setup, I’d be interested in seeing it because I like its overall concept. Looking forward to your next video!
@M.G.R...
@M.G.R... 4 жыл бұрын
*Sir does it require physics and math to become a quantum computer programmer ?* *Or it is like classic computer programming, such as Python or Java ?*
@billkaroly
@billkaroly 4 жыл бұрын
Did you run the test with heatsink and the original 10mm fan?
@michalrzmichalrz6656
@michalrzmichalrz6656 4 жыл бұрын
I realize you probably want your review to reflect the experience out of the box, but I have to say the Noctua+rad+TerraPi combo looks like a winner to me and I'd probably go with that. The reason is that I can clearly hear the whining of the 'normal' fan and it'd be a distraction, to be honest. Thanks for the review and especially the last bit.
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers 4 жыл бұрын
You are right that the Noctua is very hard to beat.
@CarryOnRTW
@CarryOnRTW 3 жыл бұрын
@@ExplainingComputers How did you attach the Noctua fan to the TerraPi fan mount? I don't see any screws holding it in place at the 1:08 mark.
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers 3 жыл бұрын
@@CarryOnRTW There are screws, but they are deep down at the base of the fan.
@googleplusisdead
@googleplusisdead 4 жыл бұрын
Caught you showing the pi/ssd fitting to the base upside down, but then correctly(depending on use, I guess) with the IO pins down... :) Would love to see an update with the standard TerraPi fan and heatsink (or won't a heatsink fit with that fan arrangement?) with temps. My guess is that the heatsink is the key to lower temps, vs. the Noctua fan. RichE San Diego, CA
@cshiba8599
@cshiba8599 4 жыл бұрын
Love your videos! I'm wondering if an added heat sink would make a difference. I agree with you regarding the screws self tapping into the plastic base. If there were indentations on the bottom side of the holes for nuts, that would be great.
@idowebwork
@idowebwork 4 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see where that 10C difference under pressure is coming from, the heat sink or the noctua.
@ridefast0
@ridefast0 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed, IMHO that was a surprisingly unscientific and wasteful approach from Chris. I bet that with the heat sink, the original lit-up fan would perform pretty much as well as the Noctua fan, which was an additional cost that we had no evidence was required! How about it Chris??
@idowebwork
@idowebwork 4 жыл бұрын
@@ridefast0 I'd love to see the temps with just the heat sink, just noctua, and heat sink plus the lit up fan.
@timezonewall
@timezonewall 4 жыл бұрын
The big advantage of the noctua vs other fans is noise. They spin slower than many other fans and are often *less* effective at cooling, depending on the comparison fan. I expect the cooling difference is mostly attributed to the heat sink. I recall in another video, he had a wider heatsink that would have fit this setup and given even more cooling performance.
@tadashitani
@tadashitani 4 жыл бұрын
Very good video as always! As I'm looking forward to create an owncloud setup inside my network, this video was just exactly what I was looking for!
@ilovefunnyamv2nd
@ilovefunnyamv2nd 4 жыл бұрын
I noted the Cooling Solutions table doesn't include Custom water cooling loop, is this personal bias, or just the fact that watercooling is counter to compact assembly solutions?
@kirkd1502
@kirkd1502 3 жыл бұрын
Have you ever looked at the [TerraPi Xtreme DUO] with two 3.5inch drives? I was curious how it would get powered. There is mention of "powered" USB3 to SATA adapters, but have not seen one working in action.
@anothergoogleuser
@anothergoogleuser 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. I am not a "fan" of how the fan attaches to the GPIO. If you want to plug something into the 40 pin GPIO, now you cant. This seems to be a common problem with most of the fan kits for the Pi.
@DiyintheGhetto
@DiyintheGhetto 4 жыл бұрын
Hello you should do a test with the stock fan that came with the terra pi and also add the heat sink In it to see the difference is.
@StephanBeal
@StephanBeal 4 жыл бұрын
9:00 just fyi: ctrl-l will clear the terminal in bash.
@Booruvcheek
@Booruvcheek 4 жыл бұрын
I've been using 'clear' forever, despite been told about this key combination years ago. I could recall there was a combination, but forgot what it was, so when I needed to clear the screen I just sighed and typed 'clear', telling myself to look it up, then instantly forgetting about it until next time ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ So thank you very much!
@StephanBeal
@StephanBeal 4 жыл бұрын
And don't forget ctrl-d to exit a terminal (or many other apps which read input line by line from the console). Typing "exit" or "logout" is barbaric by comparison.
@Booruvcheek
@Booruvcheek 4 жыл бұрын
@@StephanBeal I Ctrl-D all the time, but thanks anyway!
@robertomaximilianosilveira8768
@robertomaximilianosilveira8768 4 жыл бұрын
Neat mounting option AND nice look too, like the small space used, AND color match nice
@GurmeetKaur-dj6de
@GurmeetKaur-dj6de 4 жыл бұрын
These types of vedios make me relax
@drdrakeramoray6738
@drdrakeramoray6738 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Sir, I had taken closer look for printed parts and noticed texture on the surfaces. Do you know which’s the 3d method was used? It doesn’t look like FDM for me. Thank you for all videos 😀👍🏻
@Shiba643
@Shiba643 4 жыл бұрын
I just learned about UASP (USB attached SCSI Protocol) that gives a nice performance boost. do you know if that sata adaptor supports it?
@rmccombs66
@rmccombs66 4 жыл бұрын
In the test before you put a heatsink on the SoC was the fan blowing on the SoC or away from the SoC? I've heard that blowing on the SoC is better.
@HansLoepfe
@HansLoepfe 4 жыл бұрын
Which chip is used in the ib-ac7031-u3 ? lsusb -t Will the ib-ac7031-u3 provide UAS ? More specifics please, thx.
@rickhunt3183
@rickhunt3183 4 жыл бұрын
What makes it solid construction is it's dependency of using the SSD housing to supply structural integrity to the plastic frame. That's a bit of a disappointment, but I guess it works. I don't know if you know anything about tails os, but it might make an interesting presentation. I'm sure some viewers could find an interesting use for it. Im just running this Idea past you.
@leeoliver2969
@leeoliver2969 4 жыл бұрын
I think Stanley is quietly telling you he wants a new blade.
@ricdintino9502
@ricdintino9502 4 жыл бұрын
Or the current blade flipped.
@sophiethecat9256
@sophiethecat9256 4 жыл бұрын
Stanley Food
@richardeadon6396
@richardeadon6396 4 жыл бұрын
He's losing his edge
@MrMalchore
@MrMalchore 4 жыл бұрын
Nice idea for a case with attached SSD. It was made with people like me in mind. But I'd also love to use my Pi with HATs. I have the Pimoroni Explorer Hat Pro and would like to use it for a few learning projects.
@davidculp1402
@davidculp1402 4 жыл бұрын
What do you use to capture the video from your Raspberry Pi's? Im trying to produce some coding videos for my students since we are 100% distance/virtual learning right now and Im having a bear of a time getting video capture of the Raspberry Pi 4. Currently I am VNC'ing into the Pi from my Windows box and using Camtasia studio to capture the VNC window. It works, but I dont like it. I would rather capture directly if possible.
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers 4 жыл бұрын
I capture using an HDMI recorder -- video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pqDGpGNojtp9as0 Also, look to my recent ATEM video, the ATEM pro also offers recording to an SSD: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXqymamGardkhs0
@davidculp1402
@davidculp1402 4 жыл бұрын
@@ExplainingComputers Thanks for the reply! That solution looks like it is exactly what I need. It is a little more than Im willing to pay right now. However, I plan to put my coding tutorials online some day so this is something I will keep in mind. Right now, Im going to see if the Elgato 60S can do what I need it to.
@CXensation
@CXensation 4 жыл бұрын
This would work with Pi1B+,2&3 versions as well ... ? As they all share the same basic layout (the oldie Pi1B non-plus has a different hole pattern). Except the coding for the boot/running from the SSD would be somewhat different. I really like the idea using the SSD casing as the base holding things together.
@inux3dmanufacturing
@inux3dmanufacturing 4 жыл бұрын
You can mount any Pi and clones. Pi 3 is what we have here in production as well as the Pi 4. Unfortunately you can't really use the Pi 2 with a USB connected SSD...
@CXensation
@CXensation 4 жыл бұрын
@@inux3dmanufacturing You have to use external/auxillary power supply to power SSD/HD conecting to earlier Pi versions. So yes, you are right. With the supplied USB converter cable you fall short of power requirements to the external drive itself using earlier Pi versions.
@berner
@berner 4 жыл бұрын
Did you know that Starfleet uses DOS on their ships purely for the function of their lights?
@AnttiNannimus1
@AnttiNannimus1 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Dr. Barnatt, for another very nice RPi-related video. It's interesting to me how you always seem to find these useful projects. There seems to be an infinite supply of different RPi mounting solutions. However, once again, I must protest that blue LED lights are NOT "rather nice". Blue light is known to disturb sleep. Rather, moderate-intensity amber is the appropriate LED light color of choice for any "always on" damn light. Blue LED lights should be summarily outlawed, and all existing inventory of them should be immediately consigned to any rapidly-diminishing land-fill operation where they can deteriorate in dignity. I concede though that the fault lies only with the fan, and not the TerraPi concoction itself.
@sensorequipment8283
@sensorequipment8283 4 жыл бұрын
I agree that night operation of even one small blue LED is disturbing.
@Shane-Singleton
@Shane-Singleton 4 жыл бұрын
Looks like a nice little setup. Would be cool for making a small NAS using something like Nextcloud or Seafile under Docker.
@mikes333
@mikes333 4 жыл бұрын
Unboxing the Terra Pi seemed to be much more complex than it needed to be! ;-)
@mrmorephun
@mrmorephun 4 жыл бұрын
As usual, crystal clear information....keep up the good work Christopher
@Z3R0xPl01T
@Z3R0xPl01T 3 жыл бұрын
Okay you skipped the part on how you configure the ssd to work on the raspberry pi. Usually the boot and os is installed on a sd drive. So how did you get the OS to boot from the usb ssd drive?
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers 3 жыл бұрын
Covered in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKvVqJ19mN6Aa9U
@Z3R0xPl01T
@Z3R0xPl01T 3 жыл бұрын
@@ExplainingComputers thanks
@gunneric
@gunneric 4 жыл бұрын
I'm just curious here, what is the average ambiant temperature of the room that this is being conducted in. It probably doesn't matter a whole lot, but just curious.
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers 4 жыл бұрын
About 24 degrees C.
@parrotraiser6541
@parrotraiser6541 4 жыл бұрын
That would make a nice basis for building a multi-machine network. Set up a rack of shelves with spacers, and add processors as the load grows.
@inux3dmanufacturing
@inux3dmanufacturing 4 жыл бұрын
Working on it, will be released next week. TerraPi cluster :)
@Mandalorian5174
@Mandalorian5174 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Christopher. Most excellent presentation and certainly a lesson I will use assisting children how to take control of their Raspberry Pi situation in a very fun way. I will most certainly build another one using your solution tips. The best to you and, please, keep the excellence coming.
@phrankus2009
@phrankus2009 4 жыл бұрын
YES! ... You did, indeed, anticipate my "urgent" suggestion. ... I wonder which cooling solution provides the best cooling in terms of cost-per-degree? ALSO: I take it that the heat sink is mounted via some sort of "thermal adhesive"? ... I am curious bc common desktop CPUs employ a thermal pad or paste.
@adelbertmadredinos6946
@adelbertmadredinos6946 4 жыл бұрын
You gave us more knowledge about diy computer sir. More power to you sir.
@ronaldhofman1726
@ronaldhofman1726 4 жыл бұрын
I am fan of the FLIRC case because it does not make any sound and it's rather cool and no external not protected parts everything is nicely build into the case.
@agustinbmed
@agustinbmed 3 жыл бұрын
I'm wondering (assuming) you set this for long term use, if you will see power issues since usually you need to power external media through an external power supply as well? I'm not 100% sure since you're using the USB 3.0 interface... I guess I'm old school and always assume it still needs it :)
@eoinlundy
@eoinlundy 4 жыл бұрын
Looks like a neat little setup. Thanks for the video.
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers 4 жыл бұрын
No problem 👍
@tythedev9582
@tythedev9582 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! I'm sad you saved peeling the plastic film off of the sata/usb connector for off film although! Peeling the plastic off is sooo satisfying.
@mickelodiansurname9578
@mickelodiansurname9578 4 жыл бұрын
Chris, now that you mention the whole thing... The parts-made-to-order 3d printing is as whole field in the maker world... Will we be getting an EC video on the world of 3d printing where you and I can order our bits?... If you'll pardon the pun.
@boink800
@boink800 4 жыл бұрын
It seems that the Terra-Pi would be a very nice construction/structure to build your very own Raspberry Pi cluster on a bookshelf. Having your own little Super Computer-cluster comes in handy when you need some serious number crunching.
@shlomiunger3518
@shlomiunger3518 4 жыл бұрын
Beautifully made. I love it
@playingwithdata
@playingwithdata 4 жыл бұрын
One thing I always wonder about these Raspberry Pi cooling tests is "to what extent do these differences matter for a given use case?". Under what circumstances would the FLIRC performance be any sort of an issue in terms of hardware life or throttling? It seems like you'd have to be OCing the Pi in a warm room and running heavy workloads for minutes at a time for it to be a factor. I'm sure some people do that but maybe you could give some sort of perspective on these results so less savvy viewers don't get the idea that they need the top end solution for more usual Pi usage scenarios.
@sensorequipment8283
@sensorequipment8283 4 жыл бұрын
This has been somehow answered in a review for the MagPi magazine some time ago - here: magpi.raspberrypi.org/articles/group-test-best-raspberry-pi-4-thermal-cases-tested-and-ranked A short answer: almost all of the cases and cooling solutions cool enough in a typical european ambient temperature, that they prevent it from thermal throttling. What is different though, is the sound, access to GPIO and other ports and last but not least temperature of the microSD card, if you boot from it. Also cooling of the USB3 bridge wildly differs. I bet that for long SSD transfers, the USB3 bridge can overheat and throttle on its own. Some cases are so-so to cool it in this environment, and some others are no compromise solutions that cool under extreme conditions, with a side eefect of increasing reliability. Some extreme conditions are either hot or extremely cold environments - kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJPdfIBrjd2fhaM
@shubhambiswas8627
@shubhambiswas8627 4 жыл бұрын
any thermal pad ???? or metal heat sink??
@Arachnoid_of_the_underverse
@Arachnoid_of_the_underverse 4 жыл бұрын
I actually picked up a similar sata to usb cable from amazon the UGREEN USB 3.0 to Sata Adapter 2.5 after seeing your Argon One build and was considering mounting an ssd on that.So purchased a BAITITON 480 GB and on removing the actual chipset from the case it greatly reduces the space needed for it to less than half its original size.
@alexlandherr
@alexlandherr 3 жыл бұрын
I’m using a +10 year old Icy Box external HDD enclosure for my Pi4B NAS along with a Seagate Iron Wolf Pro 2TB NAS drive.
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds cool.
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