Rating a Sword of Khaine Death Shriek Terrorgheist Doomstack

[@baudsp]

how about the sword of Khaine on Chaos armies, who don't really care about cost and public order?

[@LegendofTotalWar]

Yeah late game chaos with SoK is fine. I probably wouldn't deduct any points in that case if you've got plenty of favour stashed away. Kholek with sword of khaine is one of the better choices.

[@quwarq]

I was honestly hoping he does a 1 Settlement gameplay to counter the public order argument. Disappointed :(

[@baudsp]

@@quwarq 1 settlement gameplay? What do you mean? A game where you don't expand at all?

[@zackfritz9491]

@@baudsp Yeah, it's possible to have just 1 settlement as the Vampire Coast, just setting up Pirate Coves in tons of places.

[@sanderkiki]

@@zackfritz9491 playing tall is very fun with them, but only really viable in Vortex map cuz they dont have objectives to conquer

[@Alucard291]

Legend: *sees sword of Khaine in an army* Legend's multiple personality disorder intensifies

[@vinito19]

Aussie Smeagol

[@Metryk]

Can't become mad from the sword of khaine if you're already mad to begin with

[@karlfranz5709]

I was dissapointed to find out that it was not in fact a Shrek Terror doomstack

[@Witch_King]

"You should never take the Sword of Khaine" *Angry Tyrion noises*

[@dr.vanilla9017]

vAmPiReS hAvE lAyErS.

[@artemyzhukov1010]

Listen what the true Phoenix-King says!

[@MrRawrCEO]

"But *Late Game* High Elves are okay." *Happy Tyrion Noises*

[@MrBleakwinter1983]

@@dr.vanilla9017 like ogres

[@davidthane9002]

@@MrRawrCEO but Thyrion already got Sunfang. Does not need the SoK :D

[@mr.paperbag771]

Hi Legend, this was my doomstack. I admit that I made this army as a meme. I remember that Luthor Harkon doomstack disaster battle you had a while back and I wanted to recreate that in my campaign by giving Luthor everything. I actually wanted to send him by himself at first but I thought it wouldn't be appropriate. My campaign was going pretty well and I earned 30-40k per turn so I wanted to pick up the Sword of Khaine for the hell of it. I didn't really need it though as Luthor already had like 60% Ward save and he didn't lose HP at all in fights. I actually ended up waiting for the SoK for 100 turns and I got a mild burnout from fighting the same battles against Doom Tide and Lizardmen over and over and over again so it definitely was not a value move. But then I was so focused on just getting the Sword and I had waited for so long, I kind of needed to take it. But I got my karma and I got to be the bad example for everyone else. Remember champs, don't send Legend a SoK stack. I had this doomstack all ready with Level 40 Luthor Harkon, Fleet Captain and Rank 9 Terrorgheists by turn 90 for anyone wondering. Fun fact. You can get so much replenishment with ship buildings and the Fleet Captain that the Terrorgheist always heal to full in 1 turn no matter the damage given that you are encamped or in friendly territory..

[@official_kden]

I picked up the SoK with malus in my Darkelf campaign he is singlehandedly became a doomstack on his own

[@baptistedargaud5649]

He is indeed

[@alexwetherell8963]

Yeah lengend made a video on it

[@aramenus6018]

Comprehensive, in-depth, with key points explained and taking various scenarios into consideration. Job damn well done, one of the best rating vids to date

[@Medard22]

Legend talking about Sword of Khaine to the audience like a mom talking to her kid who just broke a vase

[@TheGreatestChuck]

936 kills for Luthor. So this is basically a Luthor Harkon doomstack with some friends.

[@jonathanbonicel1654]

Yeah it would be interesting to have a Luthor-only doomstack and see the difference

[@patrickpitz1879]

If you have wizards in your faction, this will be the case most of the time. That doesn't mean the other units don't matter.

[@TheGreatestChuck]

@@patrickpitz1879 only if you, unlike me, actually remember to use the wizards you have in your army xD

[@mr.paperbag771]

I wanted to headline my email that but then I remember Legend saying "no clickbaiting"

[@TheNightkunai]

@Cinder Sisters & Orion don't even need to have the SoK to get 90% physical and 50+% magical as long as your playing heralds of ariel!

[@FuelDropforthewin]

*creates doomstack where every unit wields the sword of khaine

[@holdinmcgroin8639]

I never noticed how Luthor's voice actor is the same as Ikit Claw's.

[@docartemis2878]

So... I just had to pause the video and go listen to them... god damn it.

[@BigPapaKaiser]

"LUTHOR CLAW!"

[@MrDrCthulhu]

Turns out Ikit Claw is just another one of his personalities. He just dresses up like a rat and everyone's too afraid to argue!

[@SereglothIV]

Nooo, now I can't unknow it and unhear it :(

[@KoiBoiRoi]

@@MrDrCthulhu impossible! Then who was I mowing down with my ratling guns in my Ikit campaign when Harkon dared trespass on Skaven lands?

[@CapybaraConnoisseur89]

Ahhh always convenient time of upload thank you Legend!

[@dionisis_]

3:15 Timmy from Majorkill is a guest in todays' vid ,always a pleasure watching content creators work together

[@AidanDracole]

That's just Legend's "chat is being dumb voice" and according to him, he did it before MajorKill came up with Timmy.

[@ericred7626]

Yeah that's def Timmy! Gotta love the solidarity between streamers

[@BigPapaKaiser]

"It's a meme, and memes will not get extra score." **Sends a full spearstack to Legend**

[@liampainter2368]

Damn, Legend sounding like Sun Tzu in his intro, "your army is for expanding your influence"

[@Sora_ksgn]

10:08 Luthor Harkons kill count going up perfectly synced with the ships cannon sounds is so satisfying.

[@クズはやし]

"Imagine have to worry about public order." - This post was made by the Horde Gang

[@TheDethBringer666]

All three of you? Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.

[@davidthane9002]

Imagine having to prevent the AI from ruin dwelling - the rest of the factions :D

[@colbunkmust]

Legend: Sword of Khaine is bad because of campaign penalties High Elves: **Laughs in diplomacy modification mechanic, massive public order bonuses, and exponential income exploits**

[@LoneWolfHBS]

I wonder, having never played on Legendary difficulty, how badly would the SoK affect the Tomb Kings on Legendary? They don't have upkeep so the upkeep penalty is redundant but the public order penalty does seem to be potentially overwhelming. That being said, they have public order buildings at tier 1.

[@changliu7346]

With the current pb system, tomb kings don’t need to build any pb buildings to keep it under control, if you keep the sok you need to build at least one pb building everywhere which you could instead build military buildings or money building, you are still hurting the campaign overall.

[@LoneWolfHBS]

@@changliu7346 True true, I forgot about them having unit caps. Yeah SoK seems like a bad idea in that case.

[@leonovgleb8535]

Settra with it is OK.

[@LoneWolfHBS]

@Fa Mulan It is not the raiding but the potential loss of the settlement to the rebels that could be the issue. I mean, for most races, rebellions aren't too problematic but the Tomb King rebels are infamous for packing tier 5 units even in the early game. So unless you happen to have an army nearby or could make one in a hurry, their weak garrisons, even with walls up, would just crumble to rebels that has Hierotitans, Necrosphinxes and Khemrian Warsphinxes with some Tomb Guards, Tomb Scorpions, Ushabtis and Screaming Skull Catapults thrown in. Worse still if you're playing on Very Hard battle difficulty. Only Khemri's and maybe Tier 4-5 major settlement's full garrisons could deal with Tomb King rebels reliably.

[@LoneWolfHBS]

@Fa Mulan Dwarfen garrisons are strong, no doubt about it. Can't say the same for the Tomb Kings, Greenskins, Norsca and Lizardmen. How good a garrison is depends on whether the units given compliments the race's preferred playstyle and that's a big problem for the Tomb Kings because not only are their rebels absurdly strong, their main strength is their constructs, which the garrisons don't really provide that much outside of major settlements or Khemri. You're stuck with chaff skeletons, a few archers, a catapult or two and a Ushabti or two. Not much else. The Dwarfs, on the other hand, are given their meaty frontline units and their powerful ranged units so fighting in settlements filled with chokepoints is no sweat. And it definitely helps that their rebels aren't Dwarfs too so they don't really have to worry about leaving their positions too much. And unique to the Tomb Kings, building walls means giving up a slot for unit capacity or income. So yeah, unless you have a healthy amount of settlements to build strong armies, walls aren't usually worth it aside from delaying an attack from enemy armies that don't have a siege attacker.

[@dusty0559]

Question: Would it be possible to create "public order doomstacks"? Basically stack as many heroes and feats with public order penalty for the enemy, walk in their territory and have it rebell in 1-2 turns. The idea is to stroll through enemy territory and make their population riot just for the fun of it, ofc it wouldn't be very useful.

[@Morbacounet]

You would need a lot of heroes and rebellions aren't that useful.

[@ludovicm5585]

up to 3 pt of malus of public order by character, so -60 for a full stack... should be possible, if very costly and demanding in building heroes cap, but it would be just a meme, needing several turn to launch a rebellion in the capital and several additional turn for the rebellion to grow strong enough to take the city. If you want to meme and be efficient, wht about a minus leadership stack?

[@sympunny8636]

well if you take woodelves and do a daith upgrade on the twilight horn, (temporary sadly), it gets public order -50 for enemy provinces. There's a few other ways that might work, for example stacking corruption and public order negatives. For example with the vampire coast, taking a full vampire captain stack, all of them with public order -3 from their spread public order point. That would be -57 (-60 if the lord had executioner trait which is very easy to get). Take any corruption bonuses from tech/items and the horde ship building option that gives more corruption and then raiding might get you a significant amount of public order penalties in a short time. Of course this would be easier to do on lower difficulties, since the higher the difficulty the more bonuses the ai gets to public order.

[@pzeise]

I definitely enjoyed the overarching break down on this and diving into judging the stack on how it affects the faction instead of just how it preforms in the battle. I was kinda on board but thought you were going overboard on the first half of the video with your thoughts on the SoK. Then you bumped the difficulty up and holy hell. Great demonstration IMO.

[@leonovgleb8535]

One Mothership, Sword of Khaine, no f***g cities. That's the fun way to play it. Yo-ho-ho and a bottle of rum!

[@supertinnietank]

I think there's a faction that is an exception to "the sword of khaine makes your faction weaker." Tomb kings. They don't have any upkeep costs, and produce tons of public order from their basic t3 building as well as from the bone-giant building (that gives lord recruit rank). Giving the sword of khaine to a tomb-king lord who's on a chariot or a sphinx and has a melee focused trait like tough turns what would otherwise be a skeleton crap stack into a murder machine that doesn't (in most cases) require one or two reinforcing armies to function and doesn't need to eat up your heavy construct or hero unit caps.

[@KingfisherMC]

Im increadbly proud you held back on "Is it better than necrofex?" untill 11 minutes in. Well done! :P

[@jaydenjackson8618]

I saw the title and thought somebody was going to roll me

[@ilesalmo7724]

🎵What a difference a turn makes. Twenty four little factions. All the war and the action, where there used to be calm🎵

[@LeeroyGgJenkins]

These should really be called roast my doom stack at this point but hey I ain't complaining

[@potatowithbbq7373]

You mean...: "Rating a Sword of Khaine Luthor Harkon Doomstack?"

[@grub833]

Agreed the terrorgeists did horribly

[@babydollobscurity8545]

@@grub833 tbf Legend isn't a strong micro or macro player when it comes to the game, with most of his strength being on the campaign map finding strats either from himself, his community, or from other people on how to optimize. I'd argue he's gotten even worse in battles over the 2 years as he really does nothing more then spam low effort doomstacks in his own campaigns and rely 100% on AoE spells

[@vasdema]

Grom is my favourite choice for Sword of Khaine (if playing as the Broken Axe) since he can cancel out the -8 public order penalty with the Goldfish ingredient. He's one of the best melee combatants in the game without it. With it he becomes an unstoppable juggernaut.

[@flamehad3630]

If legend wasn't a KZbinr he would be a hell of a public servant. His cheapness and efficiency would make a country run like a Swiss watch. Btw great video 👍 liked the explanation of why the sword of Khaine is bad.

[@wagifsafarov7805]

as a tradition, in top10. well done!

[@JPShadow]

everytime legend talks to himself pretending to be someone complaining i just get bob froms bobs burgers vibes when he talks to food lol

[@krausercruz2780]

I can see your point about the Sword of Khaine. Its an artificial boon to an army. Although I would still consider it as part of the score in say, a one man army making the Lord and only the Lord OP, or perhaps an army with a race that can neglect the sword of Khaine penalties like the High Elves. Specially if the Lord with the Sword of Khaine is NOT the only determining factor of the Army. An Example would be if you have an Empire Doomsatck where you have Karl Frans with the Sword and maximum Tank items and talents, with an army of like Half Hellstorms and half Helblasters. Or just Hellstorms if you wanna meme harder but having a bunch of Hellstorms can help with Armored units, also im a succker for Gattling guns. You have Frans boi tanking and killing way ahead of the army while the artillery rains down death all around him.

[@abdes6234]

The best doomstack for Luther is Luther himself.

[@MajorGloryMan]

You are absolutely right about the implementation of the sword of khaine, it is absolute power, but that power is never worth it. As you said, just like in the lore! I love that ca did that and not every campaign devolves into who gets the sword and when...

[@Sturm_VII]

Been starting to play more VC lately, racing to Necro; this is a fun alternative. Great review!

[@LordGame2222]

So, it's entirely possible to have a successful game as the Vampire Coast while only capturing a small amount of settlements. I once had a VH/VH Noctilus ME campaign where I only ever captured Sartosa, and then spent the rest of the game reaving coastal settlements to establish pirate coves and then sacking inland settlements for cash. I was rolling in money by turn 75 even with six armies. In a campaign like this, the SoK seems completely viable, since its drawbacks only apply to two settlements which are built up enough to never have any public order issues.

[@sympunny8636]

out of interest why did you capture sartosa? I just stuck with the galleons graveyard, so I'd never have to defend anything. And yep that'd solve the public order problems, but that's only part of the problem. Adding 10% upkeep costs onto all your armies particularly on higher difficulties where it's high anyways is very painful, and the vampire coves aren't the best economy-wise (although not the worst either). Plus the diplomatic penalty, means that even the evil factions are tough to get friendly with. It's not as if you need it either, the vampire coast armies have some great units. It might be viable early game with just 1 or 2 armies, but with 6? If you're on legendary difficulty that's gonna be a huge amount of extra cost.

[@kainhart1010]

What's funny is on tabletop the terrorgheist shriek may have well bean a fucking nuclear bomb.

[@valky5318]

I think cost-wise this can be efficient in the mid game but take out the damn bats. LH with SOK can pretty much kill anything by himself.

[@davidthane9002]

I think it had the same problem as dragons have. They take so much damage and seem rather squishy. Yes you can heal them and they have regeneration. But they just take so much damage and that means lesser stamina for several battles after another.

[@mr.paperbag771]

It's too bad you really can't buff their defenses by that much.

[@davidthane9002]

@@mr.paperbag771 well they are big and every arrow will hit them. And even 1 dmg per arrow is enough with 100 archers in a squad more with armourpiercing. You can't get below 1 damage.

[@lordfenix17]

I really need to go play another *empire campaign*and get the Sword of Khaine with Emperor Karl Franz. I wanna see him go brrrr

[@g1camuschy]

i personaly think that CA should buff “Vangheist’s Revenge” a little, by having the spell fire more volleys, perhaps depending if it’s overcast or not and maybe increase it’s width a little. Considering how slow the cast animation is on top of the long cast time and the narrow range of fire, that spell needs a bit of love.

[@amandag.6186]

Legend: don't use sword of khaine Make me

[@azureprophet]

I had no idea how indestructible Luther Harkon was at a high level. That’s cheese.

[@VulpesChama]

About the Sword, I pick up the Sword with characters that in lore would pick it up. Even though it makes the campaign technically harder. I'd really wish for the AI being a bit more... restrained when picking up the Sword, too. Well, specifically Alarielle.

[@conorhalinski9257]

I only take the sword of Khaine if i'm invading the high elves and they are using it against me and then only until I can take the shrine and safely get rid of it. It just makes it a lot easier to deal with them if they cant use it against you

[@a.hollins8691]

Yeah, I find it useful in certain circumstances, but I never keep it for long.

[@Muck006]

The "Legend Logo" is neat, BUT the artist made a critical error, because the "light reflection" will NOT occur "in the corner of the mouth" but rather "somewhere where the mouth is open" (i.e. in the middle of the teeth shown) because light doesnt reach that corner ... and I dont think Legend has a radioactive tooth which generates the power to then power a "lit glass tooth".

[@ruukinen]

Vangheists Revenge last I checked deals more damage then Wind of Death. It has a slightly smaller width but the same length. It's better against elites since WoD might leave some of the chonkier elite units alive while VR will delete anything short of Chariots and SEMs. Vampire magic just happens to have the best healing spell in the game as well and multiple mages don't really add anything.

[@sympunny8636]

it's more awkward to aim, and much slower to cast. But yeah, it is a great spell that looks epic. I actually do like having a mage of vampire and a mage of deeps in my armies. It means you can stack knowledgeable easier, since you're not just looking in one lore, and also having multiple mages means more power reserves and more arcane conduits, making you cast more and more frequently. Plus, the vampire captain heroes have a melee skill tree as well, meaning maxed out they actually do decent melee damage and tank well. Also it's just more fun having more options, and it means you can have multiple summons out at the same time, with prometheans and zombies.

[@ruukinen]

@@sympunny8636 It's just as awkward to aim since it's pretty much the same dimensions and uses the same "crosshair". It is slower and WoD is already painfully slow so yeah only works against AI.

[@sympunny8636]

@@ruukinen It's not the crosshair that's the issue, it's the fact that the cannon arcs. Wind of deaths damage starts straight from where the cross-hair says, whereas in varghiests revenge you want to cast it further away, because the cannon shots arc away from the ship then hit the ground, rather than dropping down immediately. Try it out in a practice tool and you'll see the difference. And the slowness does matter a bit, wind of death isn't that slow, you can still cast a decent one even when they're on the move. Attempting that with vargheists is a mess unless you're amazingly good at timing.

[@ruukinen]

@@sympunny8636 It's just a visual. They work exactly the same. You should maybe test it out.

[@rpl1318]

8:24 300+ kills ... bloody hell

[@zonkrt3463]

> memes are not gonna get higher scores Well rip my Archaeon SoK one man army doomstack then I guess

[@ludovicm5585]

Chaos don't care about public order and the coast increase is balanced by not needing an army and chaining battle! Archeon SoK for the win!

[@Ax_Dj0]

i think he substantiated why SoK is ok for Chaos

[@Gnu_Hope]

I love the Sword of Khaine sometimes. Granted I play on hard not VH/L. But as Nakai (rough campaign but sometimes I like it) or any other horde (Beastman, Chaos). I don't hate it as Vampirates but if I get it it's a loot and sail only run. I don't hold anything other than my capital in Sartosa or Galleon's graveyard.

[@pickleinspector5948]

Malekith in the lore knew it was a smooth brain small pp move to take the sword of Khaine

[@curtisbrown547]

the thing with sword of khaine doomstacks is that the lord basically IS the entire doomstack, the other units are basically just background noise because the lord can kill entire stacks of units by himself.. I do think legend is being a bit harsh though, considering the reworks they did to public order, the less public order you have, the more you get to compensate, conversely the more public order you have the more penalties you'll get... therefore, it's entirely possible to stabilize with most of your settlements around -75 public order IF your paying attention. the issue with public order penalties is that, unless your looking for it, the game tells you it's a problem WAY to late for you to do anything about it, if your paying attention you can definetly manage public order issues, you'll just have shit growth instead of constant riots.

[@logion567]

3:48 "the sword of Khaine is a last ditch effort" so it's lore accurate then!

[@benb4557]

Last time I used the Sword of Khaine was more to keep it away from Tyrion while I was taking out the High Elves. I also think it's more effective to give it to a generic melee focused lord than a LL, i.e. Hydrablood Dreadlord, kicked some butt and put it back in the shrine the first chance I got.

[@senshibat8920]

That Elf is stacked..break your heart so you have to be tough.

[@meat5552]

The sword of Khaine is only fun for memes really like putting it on an incendiary fire mage on a star dragon against a ton of rats

[@doktarr]

How about late campaign Tomb Kings? They don't pay upkeep and public order isn't that hard for them. I also use it at the first level pretty often. The upkeep costs don't kick in until the second level and the public order penalty is manageable, especially in the short run.

[@michaelhurst1719]

I find the terrorgeist breath attack is best used against large single entities. I've used it very successfully against Tomb King constructs recently.

[@sereneyeti3680]

I would love to see a Sword of Khaine based campaign where you purposely pick up & keep the sword of khaine seeing how far you can go!

[@SGz_Eliminated]

I pretty much agree with your assessment as far as the sword goes. Not entirely convinced Necro spam is better than this, slightly cheaper but not by much and the utility of flying monsters is massively advantageous over slow moving necrofex. You said they might sturggle with skirmishers but I'm not convinced of that, because they're so mobile if you can't hit the enemy head on you can skirt around the edge of the map picking off strategic targets as you go and mostly avoid skirmishers. Necrofex on the other hand you pretty much commit to your position and things are awry you can't really pull out.

[@sympunny8636]

The thing is, speed is the only real weakness of necrofexes, and they have so many other powerful stats. When upgraded a necrofex does 828 missile damage and 523 melee, with 30% physical resist and 15% magical, This basically means that they can take out almost anything from range and anything that does get close still isn't much of a problem since with the resistances they get surprisingly tanky, plus the zombie summon that spawns if they get low. Why spend more gold on the squishier terrorgheist (who can definetely struggle with ranged armies). Both are good, but the necrofex just gets better bonuses.

[@SGz_Eliminated]

@@sympunny8636 Necrofex get good bonuses for sure but I don't know enough about to what degree Terrorgheists can be buffed to comment. I'd imagine easily necrofex are stronger but as I said the utility of movement shouldn't be underestimated. Stuff that would be threatening to Necrofex like canons, Luminarks and anything else fast with anti-large that isn't susceptible to their necrofex shots wouldn't be as much an issue for Terrorgehists that'll have no issue either dodging or closing distances to engage in melee.

[@sympunny8636]

@@SGz_Eliminated cannons aren't threatening to necrofexes, even 1vs1 the necrofex will just destroy the artillery piece easily from range, when you have 19 of them, it takes 2 seconds. Luminarks only have 3171 health, slow to fire and are pretty inaccurate, again they don't trade well vs a necrofex. Fast things with anti-large like shaggoths/carnosaurs can again normally be sniped from range, the only issue would be if the ai doomstacked them, but that doesn't really happen. Even rites of primeval glory have a mixture of carnosaurs, stegadons and bastiladons, you just have to snipe the carnosaurs first from range and you can deal with the rest in melee. Don't get me wrong, the extra movement for the terrorgheists is definetely a good bonus, but the necrofexes just don't really have an issue with pretty much any army, or multiple. The terrorgheists buffs are mostly to melee attack, charge bonus, speed etc. Good things for it, but they do end up being squishy to concentrated missile fire, as they're such a large target that needs to get close. The other nice thing about the necrofex is that you can get them down to 1 turn recruitment, while terrorgheists will always take 3 turns to recruit, and the building for necrofexes is more useful, since it gives casualty replenishment and more recruit slots allowing you to recruit an entire army incredibly quickly, while the terrorgheist building costs more, takes longer and more growth, and doesn't give you any other bonuses apart from the ability to recruit deck droppers. Don't get me wrong, terrorgheists are a strong unit and I've had fun with a doomstack of them, but I wouldn't say they're better than the necrofex doomstack.

[@docholliday7408]

Sotek can also handle SoK pretty well late game. The special followers you can get with sacrifices help with the upkeep and diplomacy and of course with enough leveled up scar vets the public order doesn't matter at all.

[@Luca-md1iy]

Test your doomstack? More like test your Luthor Harkon xD Though I do understand that a lord is part of the armys and thus should be used

[@smokinggnu6584]

I am really tempted to get the Vampire coast DLC at some point, cause i really wanna test out these units.

[@anonnymousperson]

I absolutely love whiny commentor voice from Legend. So fun.

[@AytonGang]

The thing about the sword of khaine is it turns basically any LL, or even some of the basic ones like a HE prince on a dragon into a doom stack in their own right, capable of easily beating 1 full stack and probably a fair bit more besides depending on exactly who it is. So ofc in terms of raw ‘killing power’ power any 20 unit doomstack will destroy basically any armies if the LL has the sword, but especially on legendary, especially for some factions who don’t have great public order it can have a far bigger negative impact than just making 1 absolute lawnmower army. That being said I basically always pick it up 😂😂

[@kompadregoha5783]

{With rat accent} But Legend, No Khaine - No Gain!

[@kobeathris4552]

Vangheist's Revenge is better than wind of death because it summons a giant ghost pirate ship.

[@sympunny8636]

i agree it does look cool af, and is one of my favourite spells. Who wouldn't want to summon up a giant ghost pirate ship to bombard the entire enemy army into pieces.

[@davidthane9002]

Aye cool it is. But soooo slow

[@sympunny8636]

@@davidthane9002 true, you gotta lock them in place first, if they're on the move it's gonna fail.

[@MrAwesomeBart]

I never pick sword of khaine because I don't wanna make Alarielle sad. Unless i play as Alith then I jet for it as fast as I can.

[@foxx1111]

3:15 4:35 high pitched mocking compilation

[@alphabromega859]

Legend, I think you are missing one crucial aspect of the SoK: denying the HElves the chance to pick it back up for 10-15 turns is sometimes worth the public order malus especially when it's Tyrion or Alarielle.

[@arcadius2569]

Does luthor get the upgraded versions of the spells or base level?

[@BillyLndn]

Kholek SoK is a doomstack on his own

[@wizardwithoutportfolio]

I for one am glad Timmy joined the vid today

[@Morbleue]

Was it a rate your doomstack video or a rant about a gimmick video?

[@IamKRAKAROT]

Everyone commenting about his hate for SOK, completely glossing over the "I want to pull off all of the terrorgheists" comment.

[@JeanDoesFilm]

Does anyone know how to recruit the terrorgheist? I can’t find them in my settlement recruitments

[@kylemcelroy7869]

See the funny thing is I think Luthor could have handled the whole thing by himself

[@humantwist-offcap9514]

Didn’t really seem like he needed SoK, got more kills with Vanghiest’s Revenge.

[@ToBeSchooled]

The only time i pick up SoK is when i go Alith Anar and wipe Naggaroth in 50 turns.

[@frikky99]

waaiiiit just a minute here.... aren't you streaming right now?!

[@fireblade2681]

Does legend want a doom stack or an economy stack? I'm gonna send in a stack of skaven slaves. Fear my penny pinching.

[@LegendofTotalWar]

Both are good. Free is a great price but an expensive army is ok if your economy is not suffering from it. Hence why high elves can spend whatever they like on an army but greenskins cannot.

[@SayyedHosseinJavidHosseini]

What score did he give to the Alariel+SoK and unbreakable heroes?

[@pit_shost]

Death shriek terrorgiests look much cooler than normal ones

[@jacekstasiak932]

You mean Luthor Harkon doomstack.

[@abdes6234]

Funny question fellas, can Karl frienz get The SOK, if yes can someone make it happend please?

[@billl2903]

Rating a sword of khaine Luther Harkon.

[@risboel17]

Nakai with sword of khaine?

[@machopi]

>SoK is weakening your campaign [laughs in archaon]

[@FraternityOfShadows]

How about SoK on Nakai?

[@dr.vanilla9017]

Has anyone thought of a frostheart phoneix doomstack?

[@ehk5948]

Dragons are pretty strong and SoK is a meme used it once and regretted it

[@martinlaver007]

Harken getting 1000 kills and the other units only 20, tells me this isn’t really a doom stack.

[@grub833]

Agreed

[@fractalco.creative5796]

Is a Counts Terrorgheist DS better than a Coast Shriekinng Terrorgheist DS? and what lord would be best? a Strigoi to keep it full Terror gheist? or Isabella for her Buff

[@Sora_ksgn]

Strigoi lords have garbage magic. Pretty much any other one would be better. They also have by far the worst unlock bonuses so you shouldn't really ever go for them.

[@fractalco.creative5796]

@@Sora_ksgn I know they need some winds of death happening, they are mainly sniping lords I have noticed when I used them with their Lore of Magic. But they really need a AOE attack either Purple Sun to keep them some what unique or Wind of Death. VC do not have decent enough melee units to back them up as an army so the Magic of the Lord has to be the deciding factor. Like Strigoi and Crypt Horros is great but they get squashed pretty easy without from higher teir and decent anti large infantry. VC do need a rework in terms of the Bloodlines and also the units stat to bring them up to match the newer Races and Lords

[@grub833]

Honestly I feel like luthor doesn't need the rest of the units in his army luthor won that battle by himself and the terrorgeists did nothing in terms of kills and took a shit ton of damage

[@scp--wc9zv]

Wait why didn't he go into melee with luthor? BTW I'm playing on hardest and got sword of khaine for luthor nothing is wrong with it, he beats armies single handedly

[@Slyslug]

I mean, luthor sword of Kaine itself is strong, sword of Kaine is just strong

[@captaintalking1646]

If you are stressed by the negative public order penalty, the relation penalty, ... of the Sword of Khaine, couldn´t you just let Luthor Harkon be defeated once to loose the Sword of Khaine again?

[@sympunny8636]

yes, and that's probably why he'd recommend, getting rid of it.

[@TheRedeemed117]

Is a doomstack just the most cost effective army that a faction can mass produce, or does it need to be able to defeat multiple armies at once to be a doomstack?

[@Morbacounet]

A doomstack is an army that can defeat a large selection of armies even in unfavorable circumstances (being outnumbered is a exemple). Being mass produced or cheap are a big plus.