Ratuva red carded for horror shoulder in ruck. [Toulon vs Scarlets '19]

[@johnathanpatrick6118]

At first I thought that was shoulder on shoulder, but the slow-mo replays were clear. Shoulder on head = instant red card.

[@SuperTiziani]

Don't agree. It was a clean hit in the ruck

[@neill392]

@@SuperTiziani clean hit... direct to the face. Red all day every day!!!!

[@thatasiankid1799]

@@SuperTiziani how can a shoulder to the head be clean?

[@garethbaker7346]

I don't think he did anything wrong, really harsh red card.

[@neill392]

@@thatasiankid1799 It means it didn't hit anything else 1st and get deflected onto the head.

[@rye_ay_ay]

Me, bilingual in French and english, trying to understand both ref and announcers at once: 👁👄👁💥❓

[@Yattah123]

same 😂

[@calvingroenewald2497]

To put a man like Gorgodze down, requires some serious force.

[@gunmonkey1185]

Or shoulder charge his head.

[@kijilaovere2078]

That guy seems like he didn't apply any force at all 😂

[@stuartstone6359]

@@kijilaovere2078 plenty of force, but more to do with the relaxation of the player and the perfect placement of the shoulder to transfer all the force through the head and into the neck causing compression.

[@WELLBRAN]

Makes me laugh when people get sent off.and when they are leaving the field everyone is patting them on the back etc like they are the victim!..

[@elmarobberts5128]

Yes. As if it was just "bad luck mate". Brainless thug.

[@mundo7248]

It was the toulon players tapping him as I'd to say unlucky mate

[@sidknee4975]

They only pat you on the back if you are known not to be a dirty player. I’m guessing he’s not by the oppositions reaction.

[@Lowdo1549]

Was just thinking the same. That number 9 gave him a pat after he just did that to his teammate.

[@popopduck877]

It's not like it was intensional so they try to reconfort him since he probably feel bad for both the accident and the fact that he has put his team in a bad situation

[@achimsinn7782]

To me it looked like he waited for the other player to get up a bit in order to have a better ankle for hitting the head. And even if not, he definitly hit the head and he didn't make an attempt on avoiding that. Definitly a red card.

[@thatasiankid1799]

Couldn’t agree more!

[@stuartstone6359]

No he isn't known for being dirty. The wait was more for him to relax and making it easier to counter ruck. He just did it stupidly and went to high. Red for sure but not a dirty player

[@xxtwattwafflexx1]

@@stuartstone6359 there was no counter ruck, it was lost. I dont care if he is known as a damn teddy bear, that was intentional.

[@ambmainman]

That was a career ending shoulder charge.....he should have been banned for a long time!

[@fjphoto23]

It's not ping pong or bowling.

[@dr_jacko]

@@fjphoto23 no it is a sport that has a serious problem with early onset dementia from head injuries. @anthony michael is correct, this shoud have resulted in a ban longer than the 3 weeks he got. It was completely unnecessary and there was no mitigation whatsoever.

[@fjphoto23]

@@dr_jacko Play another sport then.

[@alexgravelle164]

@@fjphoto23 or just make it safer so that people who love the sport can avoid serious injury.

[@FJaypewpew]

@@fjphoto23 shut the fuck up josua you don’t play if you have that attitude

[@BigBadBuzz]

Some serious spine compression

[@okay7321]

That was not good. Dangerous af

[@rossnewman6427]

Ref needs a red card for taking so long to realize what had happened

[@stewartgrindlay9760]

Refs have so much to be looking for in a match, so I have sympathy for them that’s why the TMO is there to help out.

[@nickforsythandkids]

On the replays you can see the ref is looking the other way the moment it happens.

[@beravukialau3989]

Hahahahahahahahahaha

[@stuartstone6359]

More like the TMO does for not stopping the game and letting the red know they are the ones looking for the foul play when the red has his back turned or is unsighted

[@MichaelClark-uw7ex]

Nobody noticed after the shoulder charge he kneed the guy on the floor in the side of the head? Its not as noticeable in real time but the slo-mo shows it clearly.

[@bloodyliar]

These are potentially life changing injuries - its time Sine Die was fully introduced

[@Danlows1]

Sine Die?

[@bloodyliar]

@@Danlows1 Indefinite, lifetime ban

[@Danlows1]

@@bloodyliar for a first offence I’d say no normally, but if it results in an actual injury, then yes.

[@bloodyliar]

@@Danlows1 A few lifetime bans will cut this type of play out, won't it ? Remember, its the action that is punished, not the severity.

[@thedinosaurworldjurassicpa8019]

What are they all patting him for a deliberate fowl play arseholes could have seriously injured that player

[@knoxsorovi5118]

Stfu ......go and play soccer.......

[@fjphoto23]

Go play ping pong.

[@buladude679]

Must be some force coz he was in a standing position...

[@tjanaradennis-reid4016]

Everything the player done was accurate

[@keyboardemperor3540]

That looks like it hurts.

[@MarcosJ-mq4lk]

That was the neck!

[@DrCrabfingers]

Red card. He could have paralysed the guy....Broken necks in Rugby are rare in the scheme of things but they do occur. Perhaps there should stronger penalties for play that is obviously full of intent to do harm? The good thing is referees will use their common sense and when they have seen things on the replay, or it has been brought to their attention by the touchline officials, the ref stops play and has a good look into what has occured. Unlike soc-cer where there is a reluctance to pause the flow of play to analyse a situation.

[@eddiebarrett844]

2:39 Who is the Toulon player who appears to be spitting at the Scarlets player?

[@James-rc6qq]

Perspective. If you pause just before you see that the scartlets player is in front of the Toulon player. In the next shot you can also see the end of his spit and there is no toulond player being spat on. It was also a scarlet spitting not a toulon player.

[@anarawad6017]

well spotted! right pig

[@arnarmagnusson8201]

@@anarawad6017 the player is in front of the Toulon player he’s not spitting on him

[@MJ-YT-USR]

The all round reaction of the players and staff (the pats on the back etc.) kinda tells me that these incidents aren't really been taken that seriously by the teams; they seem to be viewed more as bad luck mate! Such tackles are dangerous and unnecessary, and doing them endangers the other player and lets your own team down if sent off. The pats on back need to stop!

[@waratahdavid696]

Wish the comrntators would shut the up when referees are deliberating

[@beravukialau3989]

Ratuva can't clear his shoulder cause that props(Emerick Setiano) blocking the left side and the halfback(Babtiste Serin) on the right side

[@gonzalosanchezblanco6598]

What the fuck is wrong with the islander and the tackle laws ? they don't understand it ? is it the league background they use to have ?

[@stevechamberlain5583]

Terrible refereeing, should never have waited that long to stop the game

[@saiatuitavake7653]

They don’t call em coconut 🌴 for nothing

[@mfp4136]

So now you have to wrap your arm when clearing out at the ruck??? What!

[@Tri_monster]

That's not the problem, the guy came off his feet and shouldered someone in the head.

[@mfp4136]

Listen to what the ref was saying. ‘There’s no attempt to wrap that right arm. So now I want to check where contact was made....’ I may not have quoted exactly. Yes it was an illegal but why was the ref concerned about there being no attempt to wrap that right arm. What about the safety of the player doing the clearing out? Surely he has every right to protect himself at all times.

[@clivejones1582]

Yes, and it states quite clearly that this is the case in the laws. A player joining a ruck must bind on a team-mate or an opponent, using the whole arm. The bind must either precede, or be simultaneous with, contact with any other part of the body of the player joining the ruck.

[@increasepeace4996]

Ah yeah. Why would they allow it for clearing a ruck yet not a tackle?

[@thedinosaurworldjurassicpa8019]

He did it all wrong including no arms direct contact to the head could have left paralyzed you dick head

[@mrblablablabla]

Never realized you have to wrap your shoulder, or at least attempt to. Better take some yoga classes...

[@ludovicsc946]

This is the experience of Gorgodze, if he continues to play, I think there is no red card... Not getting angry and staying on the ground was the right solution. Big impact anyway, so dangerous

[@joji1852]

Nah he was in cloud 9 bro

[@kyzaiya4139]

You’re clueless lmao. It was a shoulder the head. What do you even mean

[@titoinette31]

Mérité, just a rules.

[@andrewwalk1370]

California rugby tour thanks for Shari Eubanks for getting that all organized 3 hours plane 9 days car and your spring dues can be made out to USA rugby. College rugby.

[@DN21Media]

What if ratuva had gone down and scored a try ?

[@arthurlewis9193]

Referee's fault. He was allowing the reds far too much time before using the ball after a ruck.

[@pauljamison3340]

Thats touch rugby in Fiji!!!

[@noabiudole9906]

There wasn't alot in that

[@Oli-Johnson]

Are you saying that shoulder charging someone's head isn't a red card? You need to take another look at the laws of the game.

[@janhendrikdykman3262]

Totally unnecessary

[@LionelBaronArtiste]

travail de dégueulasse ....donc sans commentaire'SSS sinon je vais le foutre coupeur de citron

[@leeserukalou8437]

Not much in it..it was a standstill clean off..that guy must be standing in lamely

[@davewelch7697]

That guy who got wiped out, is one of the toughest players in world rugby - don't think he would milk it. And, did you not see his head/neck compress on impact?!

[@mfp4136]

Cleaning out at the ruck is part of the game. People get hurt. That’s rugby.

[@X12-g4j]

You're actually not allowed shoulder your opponent in the head, believe it or not.

[@Street-Edit-Cut]

he stooped right into it

[@pailatoliwaliwa4461]

He's to old to play rugby retirement coming your way

[@lolacookie453]

How old?

[@beravukialau3989]

@@lolacookie453 36

[@lolacookie453]

@@beravukialau3989 thank you!

[@ilaitiavuli7290]

Rugby is getting softer and softer very soon will end up to where it started from..soccer..

[@JamesBond-fd6qg]

Elijah vully Rugby is rough, but we shouldn’t be stupid, it cannot be legal do something as dangerous as that. Rugby will have its bumps and bruises, but let’s avoid concussions and death. It shouldn’t be cage fighting.

[@JamesBond-fd6qg]

wildebest Lol ok. Common sense and fear are different things.

[@garethj9757]

Clearly a comment from someone who has never played a game of rugby what an idiotic comment shame on you

[@UNCLEBILLYTEE]

@@JamesBond-fd6qg not sure what was wrong with it but lol

[@zafferung4440]

Stupid piece of fucking shit.

[@leopard708]

For me that is no card, not even a penalty, this is rugby not football. Things like this happen from time to time

[@no9scrum]

Naming this this 'horror shoulder' is a bit excessive

[@mundo7248]

Plus that are standing literally arm to arm so there is no force in that collision at all. Tex just pushes him off the ruck

[@ahriman935]

You've never really taken a compress-your-spine hit have you? Doesn't take much force AT ALL to make that shit feel like you were just broken in half.

[@Oli-Johnson]

No force but yet he sends a guy flying who is 100kg+ with his knees bent, feet planted and leaning forward. You just have to watch the slow-mo to see how much that guys head whipped back. Talking utter nonsense.

[@duncangreen2483]

Whatever you're smoking I'd cut back. Even in slow motion you can see shoulder impacting head at force. Red card, plain and simple. Even if players don't like the new laws, the laws are in so players know the risks if you contact the head in this manner.

[@stephenfreestone7956]

nothing wrong there at all. Snowflake rugby again.

[@L-po8rx]

Ah, yes. A prime example here of either a troll or an idiot. Or both.

[@rexyhouser1872]

You're right Stephen.... Plus add in a bit of Racism from the officials

[@stewartgrindlay9760]

Stephen Freestone you moron. Shoulder/elbow/knee are killing weapons. Blunt hard weapons. Never been in a match before ever.

[@owenwilliams590]

Always one ass hole than knows fuck all what he talking about. If you don't know please just shut the fuck up.

[@matthewcourt3795]

Am I the only one who didn’t see anything wrong with that?

[@testpass12]

Yes, yes you are

[@lolacookie453]

Yes! Watch his head back up into his neck like a spring, looks dangerous to me

[@noelmadden1920]

Cowardly act

[@mundo7248]

It was shoulder to shoulder you can see him hold his shoulder on the ground. It's pathetic

[@MimesAgainstHunmanity]

Watch it again, it was shoulder to head. He was not holding his shoulder he was holding his neck because it just got compressed and bent back.

[@Street-Edit-Cut]

it was clearly shoulder to head and you can see him sizing up with his hands before the blow. shidd you would hold your neck and shoulders too if your head was almost taken off.

[@ahriman935]

Might want to have your eyes checked.

[@buladude679]

Nothing to it...drama queen

[@Earl1403]

Soft red, just a rugby collision, games gone soft

[@ThaboNyamo]

Thats not a red card.

[@dreadlindwyrm]

It's been 20-some years since I played - and that was at school level - but a shoulder driven into someone's face in that situation *can't* be condoned. Would you have said it was a yellow? I'm a bit out of it when it comes to what counts as a card these days.

[@joejoeob]

You're joking, right? Imagine a 110 kg rugby player shouldering you on the crown of your head at full force. Gorgodze wouldn't flop that easily.

[@mundo7248]

Not full force, let's get a grasp on reality here. Tex was hand on gorgodze shoulder before he cleared him out. He got up straight away and then a minute later is lying prone to make damn sure the player gets sent off as toulon were beaten. They only won 17-16against 14men for nearly 50 mins. Some players are getting like footballers nowadays to get other sent off

[@joejoeob]

@@mundo7248 1. Chill, it's only Toulon vs Scarlets lol. 2. Just because he got up, does not mean he isn't concussed or injured to the neck.

[@nathalieroy3648]

@@dreadlindwyrm ro

[@mananarara7506]

That was counter ruck...nothings wrong....rugby was meant to be roughly played not cowardly played

[@66Epicfail]

taking a cheap shot in a ruck that you're never ever going to win and potentially seriously hurting someone IS cowardly.

[@jonhay75]

Nothing in it.

[@muserock2367]

What, your head?

[@jcrisp90]

these south seas islanders have ruined the game

[@juniorsewbs7593]

We actually make the game entertaining. ... you're acting like only we insitgate penalties.

[@epsn8682]

James Crisp go play poker

[@beravukialau3989]

You are the soft people which make rugby becoming boring to play cause of the rules kept on changing...

[@pa1264]

Come on that was nothing he's was milking it.

[@tonycodolo]

Would you like to stand there????

[@pa1264]

@@tonycodolo yes I would stand there I use to play both league and rugby I love it I'm the smallest guy on the field and like playing against the big guys.

[@tonycodolo]

@@pa1264 I'm a big guy (6'4") and I would not stand there. I also played rugby till I was 26. I dislike getting hurt, only fools like to get hit.

[@pa1264]

@@tonycodolo yes I played till about the same age the day I took my dad to watch was the day I broke my leg in two places I miss playing.

[@joneralase8938]

He is complaining indirectly to the ref..he is a veteran...that is where professionalism comes in... that clean out is normal we always face it if we keep the ball for too long...hes old too...can't take pressure now...

[@Abcd-hr9ot]

Drama queen

[@Oli-Johnson]

Easy to say that sat behind a keyboard.

[@tamariddell9595]

Red card soft rugby has changed NRL bigger contact less cards

[@leaphorn34]

Nothing serious... This game has definitely changed.. Let's play chess dudes..

[@ryansheppard3150]

Rugby is quickly becoming such a soft sport.

[@stevenmcalister826]

Don’t think you’d want to be in the injured players place

[@plc2866]

Is this rugby or football, I can’t tell anymore. It’s the equivalent of taking a dive.

[@justincrediblev41]

His past his prime send him to retirement home, go home Gorgodze let the big boys play now..

[@timmycrw91]

Who allowed this red card/yellow card soccer BS into Rugby in the first place??? Nonsense!! Same IRB who came up with that dumbass rule decades ago : You can't hit a player fielding a kicked ball while in the air. BS. You go for the ball, you get hit! THAT's R U G B Y !! S M H, same politically correct nonsense that's effeminized the game of American Football.

[@jackodees1765]

Yeah, let's get back to the good old days when most people playing rugby went home with a concussion and people broke their neck. Come on man, safety is important. But no, you rather have a few people who are braindead or in a wheelchair because it's "masculine"? You, sir, are an idiot. You also think that for example Vahaamahina being sent of against Wales was not the right decision? Apparently we can elbow people now. And that "pc nonsense" has been here for over 30 years, it's not like it was introduced two weeks ago.

[@timmycrw91]

Jacko Dees its a bunch of political correctness. I played without that nonsense, and it was never a problem. Now these past few decades it is?? Nonsense. Most of the cervical spinal injuries were from scrum engagement, but you wouldnt know that because youre a modern day wuss. Give that guy 5 minutes in the sin bin and thats enough. Let the players play. Leve that red card/yellow card nonsense in soccer, not in rugby. Gonna defend that shoulder charge rule too? Glad I played before wimps tried to ruin the game with their PC rules.

[@jackodees1765]

@@timmycrw91 Well, it looks to me like you have got braindamage from headinjuries during rugby. And I'm sorry i wasn't playing rugby 30 years ago, sorry for not being born back then. Apparently that's my fault. I don't agree with all the rules, but all of them are there for a reason. And people like you are one of them. but back on topic: Vahaamahina's elbow vs Wales is acceptable to you? And, by the way, it isn't like football is the only sport where people can be sent off, and it's not like football used the option for decades before Rugby. The first red card at the Rugby WC was in 1987, in football it was in 1970.

[@timmycrw91]

@@jackodees1765 Sorry u agree with the effeminzation and demasculinization of a once great sport. Wasn't that way back in the day, and very few people got concussions, let alone ended up in wheelchairs. Same PC nonsense has ruined American football for almost 30 years now too, and no reason for it. It's supposed to be rough and tumble, a warriors sport. The injuries are part of the sport, getting knocked around. Don't like it? Don't play, and don't watch it. Throwing a shoulder into an opponents face to get him off a ruck from about a foot away shouldn't be a red card offense, especially as I watched the guy who got hit act like a soccer (football) drama queen lying on the ground pretending he was soooo injured (gimme a break!!); 5 minutes in the sin bin/penalty box, that's all. Let them cool off for a few minutes. The only issue there was in Rugby was scrum engagement, and they modified that. All other rule changes under the pretense of "safety" were non-issues to begin with, therefore unnecessary, and make the game something less than what it was, and what it should be. And believe me, I'm not the only one who sees the nonsense that's happened with the rules.

[@jackodees1765]

@@timmycrw91 Thankfully you're an expert on safety and a medical expert. Come on man, if you were playing before "87 you're at least 40 years old, act like a grownup. Look at the NFL, a sport you brought into this: Since 2012 they wrote down all the concussions. I'm not a doctor, but I assume playing on with a concussion isn't great for your health. They had over 200 a year, every year. 96 percent of former NFL players have some form of braindamage. A link between concussions, braindamage and things like suicide and diminished braincapacity has been found, not something I would have on my hands. But no, your entertainment is more important than the wellbeing of those who entertain you. Really? Grow up. It sounds like you would enjoy a medieval melee more than rugby. Stop complaining, and don't watch it as you said it. Or find some other braindead people, and form your own league with your rules, you can call it the idiotleague.

[@antonybarnstormer6285]

So all you must do is hold hands at a ruck. You must be able to clear out to make it competitive or this game is done. All ready its over officiated. Also I would prefer once the ball is out for the official to call it instead of stopping of the game at each ruck. This would make the halfback clear it quicker and for more continuity of the game.