RawHyde Tips: How to Use BMW's Hill Start Control

[@donbus7525]

My Dad's 1962 Studebaker had this same hill start technology!

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Nicely explained bro 👍🏼👍🏼

[@newfoundlanderonthego]

I don’t quite get your point. Once the hill start is deactivated by letting out the clutch all else is equal ,I mean the hill start only helps with the starting on the hill and has nothing to do with the traction control.so I see how climbing the hill is any easier with or without hill start control, but just the starting.

[@joffreyperalta1870]

newfoundlanderonthego... this is a correct point! there is no connection between the hill start stop feature & the mode to be used in hill climb! on one side there is the hill start stop, it just prevent the bike from rolling down even when you don't apply the brakes, on the other side its the different modes to be used during hill climb.

[@firebladedan1]

Agree completely and have just posted a comment saying so, sorry didn't see your post 1st

[@darvaish4552]

you are a very good teacher and you dont show off. enjoyed

[@superflycatchermtb]

Jim Hyde: I'm curious if your third and final attempt with Hill Start off, were you still in Enduro mode or did you disable traction control completely?

[@TonVerkleijT3]

There is a little red/clear plug under your seat in a little plastic bag. Get it out, insert it into the black connentor close beneath your seat and you willl instantly get two new modes, enduro pro and dynamic pro.

[@MotoBeemer]

In 2021 the plug is gone, those modes on the TFT for selection right away.

[@mrbjay5443]

Excellent, I know how to use Hill Control Now Fantastic!

[@robb8773]

I think it would have been worth mentioning another method, You could also apply front brake with two fingers and roll on throttle while releasing the clutch. This allows for both feet on the ground for stability...........A little harder to use this method than rear brake and throttle while releasing the front brake.

[@georgem579]

Rob B sorry if you use front brake, you’ll probably slide backwards because weight transfer is to the rear. I’ve had this happen on a bitumen road as well

[@dockingtroll6801]

@@georgem579 You forgetting BMW has Linked Brakes??

[@c.richardphillips1542]

You know I did not think I would use this, but it is VERY convenient and works like a charm.

[@12benami]

I use it all the time.

[@Fab24hdumans]

Would love to know how to deactivate hill for good. Thank you for your help.

[@saddlsor]

Don't know about deactivating Hill Stop Control "for good", but how about simply not activating it to begin with? As mentioned earlier, on a hill in loose terrain, you'll be primarily using the rear brake, right? Otherwise you're likely to slide backwards if "Only" the front brake is used. If one is to attempt such a challenge, I would hope the fundamentals are ingrained, such as your balance. There will be situations where putting the left foot down (right foot on the brake pedal) will be more difficult, but everything is figure-outable. The Hill Control is meant to be an "aid" or to assist a rider, it's not to be relied upon to get you out of every conceivable offroad situation. Same with Traction Control, as Jim demonstrated. Technology should not be expected to replace skill. Not this year, anyway.

[@jantomasowe4562]

Unless using the Hill hold has a lasting effect on the traction control (very unlikely), the difference is only the extra rpms you need to make the Hill hold release since they may induce wheel spin and make the traction control kick in from start. I think.

[@ScragNath]

This was helpful.

[@PeterBaumgart1a]

How was the third way different from the second way? Once the brake releases they are identical, I thought, unless you go into enduro-pro, no? Or what was the "mode" of the third attempt?

[@Mark_B544]

Would love To see this done on an actual hill

[@ToddBryantsr]

Looking good! Thank you!

[@dominiqueroumieh9260]

The best since years...

[@donbus7525]

I'm wondering if you can use hill start assist with traction control fully tuned off, cuz I'm thinking hill start assist just holds the brakes on until it detects forward motion. If that is the case then your difficulties were with TC not HSA.

[@RawHydeAdventures]

Yes... for sure the traction difficulties to some degree were the traction control.... and it releases when it senses a torque load on the motor.. but the point of trying this in the various modes was simply to "see what happened" in rain mode etc. The common problem that many people face is that they have no real "control" of the clutch and throttle... and according spin out the rear wheel trying to get started. I'm sure we've all seen the beginner who "smokes" the rear wheel trying to get started on a hill... I would argue that the TC will help that guy...

@@RawHydeAdventures With TC the engine cuts the power and the bike is stopping. This is dangerous and can fall the bike.

[@fabienpics]

THANK YOU FOR THIS REVIENS... Great info ..like all you r info 👍👍👍

[@31276965lmm]

Excellent advice... 👌

[@jonascarlsson9826]

Hi Jim! Looking at your engine protection bars I see you’re using the stock bars not the Altriders ones I thought you had and that you’ve shown in previous videos. How come? Thanks for all your videos!

[@Migs3]

I notice your front headlight blinks. What is this feature? How is it controlled? Thanks for the finr video!

[@Banditos07]

It got to do with this video frame rate is almost identical with that bike LED's frequency of electrical power or something like that.

[@Migs3]

@@Banditos07 Thank you!!

[@mddale]

So, you are saying that Hill Start Control mode had the effect of limiting re-rear wheel spin, once the bike was underway, in both Rain and Enduro modes? That makes no sense. If this is so, then your demo is certainly appreciated!

[@RawHydeAdventures]

Yes... it absolutely limited the rear wheel spin... yes it also made the bike stumble... because it cuts power to the wheel... but its better than simply spinning the rear wheel too much as some novice riders would have done? BUT - there is no substitute for knowing how to do this procedure without "assistance"... The modes and the HS feature would help a novice... but an experienced rider would find it unnecessary. On the other hand being able to "lock" the bike on a hill and put both feet on the ground has its benefits...

[@cirocoelho2482]

Do you mean it continues affecting power to the wheel the whole climb up? @@RawHydeAdventures

[@robphillips4296]

What mode were you in doing the hill start the old fashioned way?

[@Tousanx]

Old fashion way was just the rider modulating the clutch, throttle, and brakes by himself

[@superflycatchermtb]

@@Tousanx Yes, but was he still in Enduro mode or had he disabled traction control?

[@garthtohms5489]

If you have Enduro Pro, I am pretty sure there is no TC when engaged; I am guessing there is still some TC in Enduro maybe?

Yes but it can be turned off. I gues you dont need Enduro Pro.

[@dockingtroll6801]

Depending on how you set it up.... thats the beauty of the pro Mode... you set ithow you like it to perform.... Basic Enduro is factory settings with no option to adjust...

[@raan74]

Thank you 👌

[@johnwiffen6655]

I find the hill start is more use on road that off.

[@firebladedan1]

I can't see the difference between using the hill start in enduro and using throttle and clutch in enduro Surely the hill start is only affecting things until you are moving and the clutch is fully out, then enduro is enduro no matter what So surely it's better to get started with hill start

[@motarded4214]

Hill start doesn't have anything to do with enduromode from the way the video looked. Computer was still intervening the same amount going up the hill. Seems like the hill start is just a nice crutch to get going on a steep incline. Especially where you can't get your left foot on the ground and hold the rear brake with your right.

[@mcfire729]

It is so easy with the hill assist for me, and why risking a fall when the bike helps me?

[@1egal1Liph]

Jim what ride mode were you in for the 3rd climb? You talked about doing the start the old fashion way but didn't mention the mode. Also did you deactivate the Hill Stop Assist someway?

[@RawHydeAdventures]

Hi John... Jim here... the "old fashioned way" is to not use the hill start mode at all, but rather to engage the rear brake fully... release the clutch till the engine begins to bog down... then ease the rear brake as you apply power and continue to feather the clutch till you get moving... (the old school way of hill starts before computers took over) :-)

[@1egal1Liph]

@@RawHydeAdventures thank you sir. What ride mode was that last "old school" climb in? My buddy Greg Stevens sure tells me great things about your classes. I need to get signed up one of these days

[@oneplus99]

What helmet r u wearing?

[@DocteurVisionnaire]

Thank you for these driving techniques my dear friend it is always a pleasure to see driving motorcycles GS BMW adeventure I am passionate.

[@moonvee1859]

I'm 5.6 height can ride this bike?

[@raystewart365]

I’m 5.7 and have a GSA with the factory lowered chassis and it’s absolutely perfect , best bike I have ever owned

[@daveboothroyd3421]

As an offroad beginner beginner, and deferring to your expertise, my view is that beginners should avoid at all costs using the HSC in gravelly uphill offroad situations. As you point out, it can easily kill your momentum and you can do nothing about it without pissing around with with electronic buttons and menu selections (requiring one of your hands and half your brain!) - could be lethal. I mean, if you can ride a bike at all you know something about throttle. clutch and wheel spin control. It's just totally unecessary tech., it's contrary to mastering basic skills and intuitive riding. Planes crash whilst pilots are working out what the plane is doing and why.

[@PhilbyFavourites]

But the Hill Control is great on pavement in hilly conditions

[@sunseeker8457]

So you are basically saying that Hill Start Control is a waste of money fro people to have it on their bikes and that BMW have added something unless to the bike?

[@RawHydeAdventures]

No... I'm not saying that at all... I'm just saying that if you are a competent "off road" rider its easier to use traditional hill starting techniques in the dirt... On steep hills in the city (particularly if you have a passenger) I could see this being pretty useful... or for novice riders that don't have a great feel for the friction zone it could be very useful as well...

[@nevillegreg1]

He is mixing in too many things here and not addressing them individually, leaving more questions than answers, prob because he wants you to go on his training course. Everyone that was required to do a hill start in a manual car when getting their drivers license already knows about doing a hill start the old fashioned way. The $64 question most of us want to know is what is the ride mode to tackle that hill if you want the bike to provide the best assistance? Clearly rain mode is not, so then which one?

[@rdstrain49]

If you need a hill start assist or whatever, perhaps you should "ride" a Toyota.

[@MELIANS73]

💪💪✊✊👍👍

[@arturikpotseluev]

Why the hell you need to take 270 kg bike to dirt and shit and then having kamasutra slash bdsm party at the same time.Ktm 890 is a way to go.

[@ColtonBlumhagen]

Planning on buying a GSA in the spring and I have to say the hill start is the feature I care the least about. If you can't hill start a bike you have no business on one.

[@kurtzacharymanuel2405]

Omg, Kenny Rogers owns a GS.

[@jezzztravel2293]

If you practice or you having riding motorcycle all your life you don't need all this crap people practice

[@ironhorsegladiator5034]

You have a very valid point, but with my 50 years of riding experience, there were rides that I was on the bike for over 15 hours and my brain was just too tired and the electronic safety features just saved my ride, but again, not many riders clock that many hours a day on a BMW.