The Rugby Pod discusses what South Africa beating New Zealand means for World Rugby

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[@southstar577]

South Africa have used the same game plan before but with a former bok as coach they played with greater passion and intensity. To beat NZ, reach a higher level and hope NZ dont play up to their best, both of these things occured.

[@tomfawssett9696]

Why does Beauden kick for the AB's when they have Jordie who kicks for the canes over Beauden and DMack who kicks for the Chiefs both with good stats ???

[@edwardkani3380]

bro you know why dont worry bro everythings ok

[@victorvaai9394]

Wow the understanding and ambiguity that you show towards this game is amazing, that drop goal was there and when having two of the best players in the world (Beauden Barret and Damien McKenzie) There is no doubt nor clear reason of why the drop goal was not the first option.

[@samjones6191]

umm cause its rigged

[@victorvaai9394]

@@samjones6191 Do you even know what you're saying, how does "rigged" show and reference towards my previous comment. I said the understanding of the game is amazing and non bias, rigged has nothing to do with what I said, as this isnt a game nor is it a interview. So next time you think of replying to something I recommend you use your God given brain and think before you do anything else.

[@sebastiontyme8256]

I suppose the decision lies with the captain I heard him in the after game press conference that he and the boys made the decision to continue the assault on the line which ultimately lost them the game you could also put it down to Barretts wayward place kicking but in the end Hansen said we lost because we conceded 36 points I suppose you can't argue with that but I still can't help feeling bitterly disappointed in their decision.

[@victorvaai9394]

@@sebastiontyme8256 True

[@clapadamclap]

i believe its because the ABs are a process driven team, and their process was to score a try to win that game. Their ability to change the process under pressure failed them on that occasion when everybody knew the drop kick was on. That being said, it strikes me as very weird that with all that test experience on the field that chance wasn't taken..

[@BabyGonzo5]

Jim your feet are invading Goodes personal space!

[@willijayetumeke92]

Watch this space....ABs will show the Boks who The Boss is on the field come next week mate......

[@leocollins6507]

Highly recommend anyone here to watch Squidge rugby's video on this game, great analysis of why the ABs didn't/couldn't go for the drop goal - they literally don't know how - and their tendency to overplay all the time despite all circs

[@sherman4970]

Doesn’t mean a thing!! They are still consistently the best team by some way!!

[@edwardkani3380]

shows one lost and now sa the top team these guys know jackshit aboult abs they know what they are up too all players sorted and by the way barett meant to miss those kicks

[@brokenankles7381]

GOOOOOODEEEE

[@b2bkiwistyle291]

Score board changes nothing else.

[@minibeast21]

For all Beaudan Barrett's amazing qualities, his goal kicking is absolutely shit & cost ABs the game tonight! A lot of those kicks weren't even that hard for professional kicking standards, it'a not like mpst of those kicls hie missed were from right i the corner! Barrett has been a shit goal kicler for ages but hasn't cost Nz any matches till tonight. This should be a stark reminder to ABs selectors they need to start bloodying another goal kicker. In a tight match in next year's world like world cup semi against Sth Africa in last world cup, Dan Carter's reliable boot ultimately won Nz that tight semi. In a close match, for all Barret's running brilliance, he is too much of a liability as a goal kicker to rely on in close high pressure sudden death matches such as a world. cup semi. Let Jordie Barret take the goals, yeah he one shocking brain snap tonight that cost Nz a try,but he is SO much more reliable & accurate than Beaudan as a goal kicker

[@hellovanite]

Yes and no I would argue if not for a couple of uncharacteristically silly passes thecgoal kicking would not have been a factor. I mean we all know Beauden is average at best when it comes to place kicks. It's not really an issue when you score through tries. We lost move on can't win em all

[@kardiminic]

hellovanite but you can always argue its other mistakes that cost the game, and youd be right too. Its a combination id say. Same thing happened in the 3rd lions test last summer, better kicking would've won them the game

[@hellovanite]

@@kardiminic i still think the all blacks were robbed of a penalty in that third Lions test to win the game. But yep there are loads of reasons. I don't have a problem with them losing one I mean you just cannot win them all. The thing that grates us how all these so called experts start calling out cracks after one game. I dunno it's almost desperate its not like they were handed they're arses and SA were pretty dire in the last 20 just holding on more than anything else. Congrats on the heart they showed but that was mostly all it was, heart. It will take more than that to win consistently. Let's just move onto the next game.

[@kardiminic]

that 3rd test penalty will be discussed for a long time, was the ball played intentionally from an offside position? was the blacks offside at the kickoff? was it even forward? lots of things that a up for debate. I definetely agree that experts should hold off passing judgement, but we all know they never will.

[@hellovanite]

@@kardiminic Yep can't disagree with that. It's in the books now. The thing is just for arguments sake, why did the ref call it a penalty then change his mind after the touch judge intejected and said maybe just a scrum. Which conceeds that there was an infringement no argument was given for any other infringement like offside at the kickoff other than as justification by fans after the fact. Doesn't matter if it was intentional or not its a penalty especially when you put your hands in the air after playing the ball and sheepishly make your way back onside like you know you've fukd up. It was a pivotal moment at the end of the match. I have seen incidents like that before but I have never seen a ref do what that French guy did and down grade it. Anyway that was just for arguments sake. It's done and dusted now and that's that. I don't mind this loss and especially dont mind it being SA they are overdue some success and if history is anything to go by usual a loss has a positive effect on the ABs.

[@advancedsettings9699]

If any sa coach was allowed to pick the entire team on merit, they would be unstoppable like before

[@edwardkani3380]

no bro sa are not that good anymore when you get that in your heads and start rebuilding the world is getting sick off hearing that excuse

[@advancedsettings9699]

@@edwardkani3380 Well, as long as its still happening its a valid argument. Go read Hansen's book

[@edwardkani3380]

i suppose any excuse is better than none

[@advancedsettings9699]

@@edwardkani3380 Fact: Springboks only professional sports team globally not ALLOWED to pick on merit. Dont be an idiot

[@edwardkani3380]

Advanced Settings bro this sound like an excuse to keep the black players out

[@Faust_ZA]

Willie the pooh lol mans sick

[@russellboreham4494]

Granted the AB's are fallible you are right. The thing about the All Blacks you have to play to an intensity level that many teams cannot maintain. 3 World Cups. Yes they can be beaten but they will always, always, always come back & kick your arse!

[@edwardkani3380]

hay guys the abs could have won the game if they wanted to so you guys dont know what you are talking aboult the abs are the masters of this game dont ever forget it

[@adambroderick3462]

So are you saying they didn't want to win?

[@edwardkani3380]

bro easy drop kick miss tackles more than any ather game they played stupid options barrett missing 4 kicks yeah i reckon they didnt want to win

[@harryvosailagi2276]

Arrogant kiwi

[@rupertgrech7097]

Do yourself a favor and watch the NRL finals series.

[@Mimeniia]

In a nutshell. Shut the Kiwis structured play down and they become clueless because they dont have a tried and tested plan B.

[@Faust_ZA]

Our south african rugby team is lazy especially our forward they not ball hungry and agressive our backline does play spontaneously with plays and our play quality has massively decreased since the year 2010

[@edwardkani3380]

bro you should be a rugby annulist only true comment ive heard so far

[@samjones6191]

lol the abs lose a game every year, great for sport rigg a game ,

[@sandol296]

Doesent mean anything why?. One loss and all of a sudden NZ are being grilled, lol. No, we know what went wrong and I am sure the All-Blacks will improve, they need too as they have 5 horrid games away against probably the Worlds toughest 5 sides currently. It is hard to see NZ winning all of the remaining games this year in all honesty. Anyone who knows about rugby will agree that NZ are still a way ahead, but have a problem at no10 I feel. Game management also needs sorting out and basics need to be brought back, because when NZ play basics, no one can match them, period. But it is this media hype that NZ have all of a sudden just dropped off a cliff which pisses me off. No NZ have not fallen off a cliff and anyone thinking NZ are all of a sudden just going to flop like say England would or Wales would, are gravely mistaken. So the press and media, STFU you are giving people false hopes against what is likely to be a major All-Blacks bashlash on those Jaffa boys in Pretoria in a few weeks. Ultimately though as a Kiwi, all I care about is not seeing NZ lose to Ireland and especially England as this would be a very, very low point for NZ rugby, if this happens this year alongside the loss to SA. But this could happen, this very scenario and the Kiwi will never hear the end of it as the media has a thing about trying to put NZ down. Dumb arse twattish media.

[@craigweideman6194]

You mean that massive 2 point Pretoria backlash? Scared the living shit out of the rest of the rugby playing world

[@hellovanite]

Get over it. It's one game.

[@YodaAndCo]

You’re gonna get bashed mate

[@hellovanite]

@@YodaAndCo stfu

[@saltsalty3807]

You obviously ain't over it yet lol, hopefully the ABs lose a bit more often, it will make it more exciting. Tough Autumn coming up for them, England and Ireland.

[@hellovanite]

@@saltsalty3807 Mate I'm so over everyone reading everything under the sun into one game. Traditionally the ABs lose every year so it aint no big deal. Yet everytime it happens we get this stupid commentary. I hope the ABs don't change the way they play, its the reason they're the ABs. If that means losing the odd game so be it. The reality is the Boks were that close to being on the losing side yet every body being doom n gloom. So yeah get over it, move on. If they do get beaten again so be it as long as it's not a thrashing I'm not bothered but the way people are going on about you'd think the Boks totally outplayed the Blacks.

[@alanb9443]

2007 New Zealand vs France was one game yet you all still whine about it.

[@isitwasit8756]

The thing is the all blacks for decades have won more games than goody has had hot dinners.. ohh err maybe not ?