Diablo 4 Season 5 Campfire Chat Summary

I'm Raxxanterax and I make Build Guides, Leveling Guides, Tier Lists and More for Diablo 4, Last Epoch, Path of Exile and Path of Exile 2. The Diablo 4 Season 5 Campfire chat just finished and I wanted to put together a quick summary of what was discussed. There are tons of changes coming to Uniques, Aspects, Class Balance and quality of life changes. On top of this we have new endgame coming with the Infernal Hordes as well as further information coming down the road! The Season 5 PTR starts June 25th and here's a blog post going over everything you need to know to prepare!
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[@Raxxanterax]

Sorry about the live stream crashing today. I'll get things figured out tonight and hopefully it will be smooth tomorrow!

[@DayW4lker]

Raxx; Blizzard is missing the point. Leveling is infact the most fun part of the entire game. The Put is boring as fu.... I find myself just starting new characters and done with the season in 4 days.

[@Psikick4]

​​​@@DayW4lkerdifferent strokes for different folks. I prefer the end game and the pits. I don't think you realize you're not the majority. I have every class 100 and working on a 2nd barb. I am in the majority. This season has the highest retention. Go play poe if you like to lvl.

[@gr4ndm4st3rbl4akk]

Infernal Hordes is not even a seasonal mechanic, it's just an endgame activity, maybe add a disclaimer to your video, so people are not misinformed. Seasonal stuff is not even revealed yet

[@dcepshn]

@@DayW4lker I agree with the leveling journey needing to be fun. Don’t agree with the pit being boring as killing mobs was and is what an ARPG is. D2 I farmed so much and it didn’t really have an endgame but yet I couldn’t stop farming lol. What I do miss from D2 is farming the chaos Sanctuary then spawning Diablo to fight and same goes for the throne of destruction then Baal. Now it’s just Kill mobs and spawn a random boring boss. Who is the blood bishop lol or sharpshooter tbh all bosses are meh and boring.

[@tlee656]

@@AUZlE I mean, if they're just going to eliminate the fun from the leveling process, might as well just start everyone at lvl 100 with Uber Unique gear, and let them go! I get it that it's hard to please everyone, but there's no need to shit on one group just because the other group is more vocal. Seems like a lose lose situation there. My opinion, of course.

[@Adam202]

I have really enjoyed Season 4. Like many others I didn't have much faith in Blizzard and honestly I still don't, but credit where it's due they really delivered in Season 4. In Season 3 I hit level 100 and quit. In Season 4 I leveled up 3 different 100's and pushed the endgame on 2 of them. The game-play loop feels pretty good now and I enjoyed the item chase. There are still problems but I genuinely think it's a solid game now. Now that the Elden Ring DLC is here it is likely I am done with Season 4 but I'm looking forward to Season 5 and the future expansion. Hopefully Blizzard will continue to listen to feedback and improve the game further. PoE 2 is looking pretty incredible and the future of ARPG games is looking very bright.

[@bigcountry4301]

Well the boss respawn is so nice. One of the many things at the top of my list I wanted

[@youdonegoofed]

That was the "YES" moment for me during the campfire for sure, huge QoL improvement

[@bigcountry4301]

@youdonegoofed now we need a armory. Way to reset tempers. Pits consume other party members materials to open portal to get equal drops of master work materials.

[@youtoobz146]

Sick we get to 1 shit bosses faster.

[@360Fov]

Thanks dude! I look forward to watching Raxx explore the possibilities on PTR... he's totally bolstered my Diablo 4 enjoyment.

[@alexossan2829]

Not only did they remove infinite Flame Shield, they also nerfed the other defensive skill for Sorcs. Teleport is getting a longer cooldown, Ice Armor no longer get refills from damage, Flame Shield cooldown starts after its duration ends, and on top of that, they removed the cooldown reduction on Focus items and gave it Lucky Hit. Then they design a Sorc unique that needs you to be in close range, where survivability is the worst. Sure it's godly, if you can survive that long. And it takes a long time to ramp up, the explosion only happens after 10 seconds. And because it is such a huge drain on mana, you're going to have to stack mana regen, max mana, and rely on resource aspects to make this even worthwhile. And that means you can stack less defensive stacks. So Sorcs feel like it's in just as bad a position: you have no strengths and every build requires you to invest equally heavily in everything so you can't excel in anything. :(

[@GeauxBro]

Just started my Diablo 4 journey, but I think I definitely found my new Diablo content creator. Your content is unmatched. Thank you for such informative content, which is exactly what I have needed.

[@Terror_Unit]

Raxx is definitely solid. All his content is great. He never fluffs his content and gives the needed info

[@pollopollo3531]

You picked the best one. Very level headed

[@timelyspirit]

Rax is the GOAT for all round content. Then add a class specific person if you’re really into min/maxing.

[@0909J-USA]

The respawning, target farming and most importantly the PURPLE, sounds like a big W to me.

[@joshnicholson8198]

Boss summon change is a gamechanger. Thank freaking Jesus

[@subzero308]

Its good but this needs to be something that was at launch.

[@emreotlu7031]

I creamed a lil bit when I heard that

[@MrTheGnomez]

@@subzero308 What a useless statement lol

[@joshnicholson8198]

@@subzero308 you are right. But better late than never I guess

[@Keromimi]

@@MrTheGnomez Agreed. Hating on Blizz even in spite of getting what someone wants when they adjust is trendy though. Guess they should push back the next few seasons to develop a time machine.

[@msoulforged]

The uniques now drop pre-bricked for your convenience. You no longer need to click 5 times.

[@hyde3401]

I was just scrolling seein what people think, but that made me laugh 😂👌🏼

[@thehoerscorral8565]

You jest, but this is literally why I stopped pushing the pit. I was so sick of getting a 2 or 3ga item from tormented bosses and then it rolling the same garbage stat 5 times in a row right off the bat.

[@AresGod0fWar]

It’s okay I never got a chance to brick mine. I always get resistance and life per second. 😂😂

[@EggsAndBacon14]

its a similar system to the one in last epoch, but last epoch is even more hardcore. i think its got one of the best "crafting" systems and i know its praised for it so im surprised so many d4 players arent into it.

[@MrKillFace707]

It's amazing to me that every streamer saw sorcerer getting one shotted by everything unless they made this ridiculous infinite firewall build that is torture to build and play and then decided that the problem was that infinite firewall existed and not that sorcerer dies if you look at it. No one plays that build. You never see it in the wild. It's a stupid build and horrible to play. There's a handful of streamers and their minions running it for pit pushing, but none of the underlying issues got addressed because the only thing anyone discussed was "Sorc cleared pit 150!!!!". Now every streamer is like "They nerfed infinite invincibility which is a good thing. Yay Blizzard.". It's not a good thing. They could have spent that time addressing the glaring issues with the job instead of nerfing the .1% of streamers who were clearing 3 levels higher in the Pit than Barb was. I can go take a leak in the middle of a pit farm on necro or barb. I can't even open the friggin map long enough to warp out of helltide without getting murked on sorcerer. The job isn't a glass cannon. That would imply that it does high damage. It sucks at that too. There are a million problems with the class and none of them are "It doesn't get killed easy enough".

[@r3tri3ution_z3nith_point_z6]

This.

[@Stinkie_Cheese_Man]

I'm really excited that they are working on the game with such "intensity". Seriously, this past season, I've really enjoyed and am still playing. It actually makes me excited for the expansion pack. I'm interested to see the improvements once that launches!

[@EliteRvZ]

Feeling the same way. Theyre listening and actually seem to want the game to reach a good state

[@DemonTime08]

Still too slow once POE 2 comes out say goodbye

[@Flourikum]

​@DemonTime08 bruv poe 2 to poe will be about a different as d2 was to d3. It will be good but it may not be your cup of tea, especially when it comes to speed.

[@piotr3612]

​@@DemonTime08We will definitely say goodbye but to those ever whining miserable trolls like you.

[@TheDravic]

@@DemonTime08 people said that about Last Epoch. Currently sitting at below 3000 players worldwide peak on Steam, a SMALL FRACTION of Diablo 4 season 4 playerbase.

[@zyrtor1]

Dude your thumbnail for the video of Diablo enjoying a campfire almost made me spit my gin all over my monitor. Well played Raxx!

[@GundamNT1997]

Must be a good campfire chat when raxx made a 16 mins recap instead of 1 min.

[@MrRolemaster]

Honestly. Of all the people who do Diablo Videos, yours are usually the most detailed no Bullshit ones that transport the most information in the most neutral way.

[@clwo2341]

i think the infernal horde is not the only mechanic of the season. They will tell more in the season 5 camp fire. This one was only for the ptr

[@luminaxar]

It's not even a season exclusive mechanic. It will be on Eternal right away as well. And he said during the presentation that the PTR will have the eternal version of the horde and not the season one.

[@shinryusaiha]

I doubt its going to be a big season - exclusive mechanic wise, they are gearing up for an expansion

[@musicxxa6678]

Yes they will definitely have seasonal thing you can interact right at the beginning level1.

[@nickrodriguez6330]

Not to mention we'll be having the DLC in October, so S5 should have some kind of new boss or bosses to bridge into the DLC possibly

[@aaronl4390]

I usually have more fun levelling than "end game". While levelling, there is noticeable progression while end game is just grind grind grind for minute differences.

[@devintittle8096]

Tempering manual change is easy, just make it so you can only use the blue version in WT1 and 2, yellow in WT3, and orange in WT4

[@TheDravic]

That doesn't solve anything. The magic (blue) recipes are already busted while leveling

[@zalotronik]

Blue temp recipes at WT1/2 should give like +10% dmg and not like +100% dmg with lvl1 char...

[@boofrisco]

For tempering I wish they adjusted the odds of re-rolling same temper reduce each time. Ie. you shouldn't be able to roll dodge chance 3 times in a row

[@PhrazeMuzik]

I've rolled one stat 7 times in a row before. I stopped playing for the rest of that day.

[@Gudetamaimmi]

@@PhrazeMuzik Happened to me yesterday, i used the trash item to reduce how many times on my main item, still bricked with 8 of the same in a row

[@DarkPassenger]

They need to make it so the game some how recognizes what skills you're using and give you a more likely chance to get something related to that. The example I use is when I was playing rogue and was trying to roll cold imbue and only had cold imbue on my skill bar, but it rolled poison imbue 5 times in a row. That should never happen.

[@phillipharden5907]

@@DarkPassenger This is Blizz, which means they are doing the exact opposite. They are probably decreasing the chance on the better skills/builds to force your hand or be miserable by bricking 8 items in a row. This is and has always been their logic to gaming.

[@Fluvanna]

The "4 uniques per build" seems outlandish when you consider just how necessary some many legend aspects are.

[@markoostendorp4423]

Or how bad 80% current uniques are, hope they are more usefull in S5

[@LordSlypher]

I use 4 uniques in my frozen orb build (winterglass, tal rasha, esu, tibault)

[@DayneJ93]

​@LordSlypher you have an avg AF build then?

[@kaylee42900]

I read it as, if you can fit 2 in then that's fine. If a build uses up to 4 we will accept that, anything past that we have to adjust.

[@stu.chainz]

They just need to delete aspects and put them in the skill tree and give us more skill points. Way more fun ways to spec into your skills and customize them. Would actually make the skill tree interesting, it’s so cookie cutter right now.

[@MrNozah]

2-4 uniques to define a build? They should just add sets at that point.

[@kenlawdhammercy5804]

It will definitely happen sooner than later

[@RobedLogic]

@@kenlawdhammercy5804 in OCTOBER perhaps?

[@wisheart88]

Runewords 🤩🙏

[@tomtomkowski7653]

QoL needed - increase the amount of materials from 50 per place to 999. Why this is set to 50? To take more space we don't have because of the lack of stash tabs?

[@Geist1337]

Build changing/making uniques are the best. Even forgoing things like mageblood from PoE, there're other uniques in that game like Cospri's Malice, which makes an ice bolt/ice nova spam-on-hit build suddenly possible. And further; unique modifiers to abilities in the forms of transfigured gems (skills) that go well beyond the range of most D4 skill tree ability upgrades.

[@drdynanite]

6:41 Small correction: I believe devs mentioned that cooldown will start only when skill finishes specifically for invulnerability sources, so it's only applied to flame shield, blood mist, etc

[@draega570]

Might be MOSTLY invuln sources, but this is also applying to Grizzly Rage for example, so it's not JUST invuln. To me it does seem to apply to duration-based buffs broadly so you can't perma-cheese and achieve 100% uptime on any of the status buffs

[@drdynanite]

@@draega570 Yes, you're correct. I was writing this comment before I checked ptr patch notes just based on what devs said on the campfire chat. There's a line there saying the same things devs said on the campfire chat, but Grizzly rage will also get this treatment according to the patch notes.

[@Diopside.]

Thanks for summary video Raxx, damn good news, I admit I love Chain lightning sorc, used to love Lightning Sorceress in D2LoD as well, so I kept my journey here.

[@darkinsanity98473]

No, that's not nearly good enough for tempering changes. I have 4/5 rolls left on a 3 GA perfect sword, but I'm afraid to try for better rolls because it will more than likely brick it. More attempts doesn't help that. We need a way to retain our current rolls or to make a choice on the rolls received to prevent bricking an amazing item.

[@mehmetabdullah250]

😂 bro brick it what you gonna lose 😂😂 i mean if you guys touch grass once you forget about tempering i swear

[@subzero308]

I dont even bother with this garbage tempering system they have

[@subzero308]

​@@mehmetabdullah250that makes no sense u think people aren't touching grass??? Tempering is just complete garbage.

[@LymeGreen04]

I mean they literally said they are trying to figure out a better way to have more control of tempering. It's just not in the game yet

[@covertsolid1]

I tried watching your stream, the crashes sucked but oh well. I enjoy your commentary, but as it happens your sentiment and mine after watching the stream directly from Blizzard are very well aligned. I guess watching your videos has trained me well haha

[@tomtomkowski7653]

To make Druid work they should have: 1. Add 2x 1H weapons (if so tiny Rogue can handle them then such a big boy as Druid can wear them too) - this means 2 more gems, 2 more offensive stats, and 2 more offensive aspects 2. Reduce spirit cost of Core skills by 30% so Pulverize from 35 to 25, Tornado from 40 to 30, etc 3. Remove some useless stats from Uniques (Insatiable Fury, Wildheart Hunger) and add Spirit per second because regular Chest and Boots can have it. 4. Add native spirit generation like Sorc has mana generation by default 5. Raging Pulverize should make Pulverize Overpowers every single time. Too OP? Pulverize can hit for 400mln while Barb's Flay bleeds for 1.5 billion per second! 6. Remove "up to" from Legendary Nodes like Earthen Devastation so Druid would have some "infinite" scaling as Barb has After all these changes Druid still would be way worse than Barbarian but at least from some D-tier, it would become a solid A-tier and 130+ PIT pusher.

[@PostprandialTorpor]

Also add totem as an additional slot, hanging from the belt instead of being handheld. So either 2H+totem or dual wield 1H+totem

[@draega570]

1. sounds like Rogue in a Druid costume. They should be able to level the playing field without homogenizing all the classes...the answer to reaching Barb-level pwnage doesn't have to be "add more item slots like Barb", just sayin'. 2. Okay. I mean I do not have Spirit issues myself and would definitely prefer they don't start slapping "Spirit per 5" on every unique making them pointless once you've got resource mgmnt down... 3. ^^^^ imo the passive spirit regen IS the useless stat. really don't want that on items that can't be rerolled. That is definitely an "if currently needed" item affix that should never be 'locked in', sorry. 4.why? do you really want lowered core skill cost + uniques with passive spirit regen + basic skill spirit generation + native regen?! I mean...aight whatevs. Infinite Spirit is achievable right now without all these changes... 5. Pulv overpower is instantaneous and no ramp-up, bleed ramps and is a DoT - It's just that Flay is overtuned right now. There is supposed to be a Time investment, the difference is waiting 12 sec for a proc or waiting 12 sec for DoT to do it's full damage. Spontaneous bursts versus consistent/steady. Plus, just remove OP altogether and buff Pulv damage to get the same result of every hit booming. 6. Earthen Dev is capped, but is Thunderstruck? Blood Rage for Barb is capped just like Earthen Dev, while Hemorrhage is not...just like T-struck 🤔 I totally want Dr00ds to realize their full Ric Flair Nature Boy potential, but I don't want it to be from copy-pasting Barb gimmicks into a nature-themed template. That's just Barb Envy :( Personally I'd love to see them take Druid class mechanic and finish it - turn it into a real unique thing...an actual class mechanic! 'Cause right now it's a placeholder for a class mechanic. It's 5 skill points to put into normal passive skills that were separated from the skill tree, reskinned with spirit animal theme, and rebranded as "special powers"... Another thing on my wish list is...give all the Storm skills lightning damage so that it aligns with the aspects and passives related to doing lightning damage. Wind Shear - Physical. Tornado - Physical. Cyc Armor - Physical. Hurricane - Physical. half of Cataclysm ult - Physical. Passives/Aspects? "you're LIGHTNING damage procs aoe lightning damage" and "your LIGHTNING damage triggers lightning bolts"

[@tomtomkowski7653]

@@draega570 1. just check how many great Aspects you can't use but Barb can. Not to mention extra stats and gems. Barb will be always OP just because of this. 2. Druid is the only class struggling with resources and you have to invest in it while Barb and other classes can focus on dmg. Just another reason why Druid is so weak. 3. Passive regen is not useless at all and is connected with point 2. 4. Infinite spirit is achievable - sure but you sacrificing in other areas to achieve something other classes don't have to even bother about. 5. Barb's bleed is doing 1.5 billion! per second; "overturned" is quite an understatement. Not to mention that you can go to the boss, hit him a couple of times, and then just run around watching him dying ticking by 1 billion per second. On the other hand, you can hit with pulverize every 6s on average for 400-500mln. This is just incomparable.

[@tomtomkowski7653]

In 6s Barb will bleed the boss for 9 billion and Druid will hit him for 500mln with Pulverize. Sorry, but this is Barblo IV and they will address this issue with totally unbalanced classes or... PoE 2 is coming because I'm really tired of this B$.

[@SimonStaxPoker]

As a casual, the tempering change is not enough. You spend the little time you have and finally get a godly drop only to brick it. Wish they at least included the option to keep what you have instead of taking a roll. I actually think tempering recipes should have maximum 3 possible stats - some of them have 4 for 5 (like crit chance) and with only 5 rolls the chance of bricking it is so high.

[@LLTT92]

I get that casuals need to enjoy the game but you need to understand how the casuals ruin the game for anyone who likes to play it properly all the bending the knee to the casuals is what’s ruining games all over everything is made to easy and anyone that plays more than casual is bored and has nothing to do after a week. Games aren’t supposed to be easy mate can’t just be handed everything you want just because you don’t have the time to put into it. Sorry but it’s just completely unfair to anyone else and is completely ruining the gaming industry all over and has been for years if you don’t have time to play a game and get anywhere within that game then it just is what it is don’t ask for them to make the game easier to suit your needs whilst ruining everyone else’s.

[@RobertMartin-of6ox]

​@@LLTT92100% This guy gets it.

[@captturnip6020]

@@LLTT92 I was still done after a week even bricking 2/3 GA items. While I hate the system just having gear with the correct tempers is enough to get to 101 pit but even then I only have a few 8 MW items and still did everything in the game. All torment bosses solo, lilith solo without the 1 shot builds so it's all rather optional as far as all the end game stuff goes. That being said its the casuals who make them money, not the try hard masochist e-peen crowd.

[@captturnip6020]

If you're looking to do the endgame stuff you don't need 8/12 or 12/12 MW items with 2 or 3 GA items. You just need a few 1 GA items which isn't too hard to find and you can get the rolls on the gear and do everything even without 1 shot builds. Yes the system is dumb and needs work but in the end it's not necessary to succeed or have fun killing stuff if that's what you're going for.

[@clockdownrme]

@@LLTT92 This is such a dumb, elitist statement.

[@N8_Mitchinson]

My fav Cypress hill lyric is "Dopamine of the big Purp beam"

[@ClausChristensen-mu6de]

Thanks for the best D4 Content out there!! Could not find the question in the comment section, so here it goes. Anything new about wardrobe so we Can change gear/spec quickly. Since there are so many variations to every build? Boss killing/speedfarm/pushing. That would be as insane QoL as the insta boss Summon.

[@zeza8603]

that would be silly good, a very yummy suggestion

[@ELPsteel]

I’m sorry, but the change to tempering seems barely consequential to me. The majority of items that I need to temper have one, MAYBE two greater affixes. I haven’t found a triple GA item all season. One or two extra rolls is absolutely trivial, especially if you are trying to hit an affix that has like a 1/9 chance of appearing

[@AresGod0fWar]

Yeah, I heard the comment about the extra roll, but wasn’t surprised

[@TheMissingPluto]

Yeah it doesn't fix the issue of rolling the same shitty thing 5 times in a row

[@DarkPassenger]

The first triple roll I finally found........got bricked immediately and rage salvaged. lol

[@waynetec13]

1 in 9......if only. On my sorc, I needed ball lightning doublecast (edit). I could roll it on 4 different pieces. I had 2 of each gear piece, because I wanted the best chances. All 2 or 3 GA. I had 40 rolls. I got sparks 22 times. I got ball lightning 0 times. #FeelsBadMan

[@ELPsteel]

@@waynetec13that’s exactly the kind of thing I mean, of which season 5 will address nothing, Sadge

[@MadsFeierskov]

CC isn't really an issue as I see it. For me the worst thing about getting killed, is that higher tier things have a tendency to one shot you. It doesn't feel very good when my char dies from 70k life and maxed armor/res if a boss hits you once. It's never when I'm CC'ed. The gaps also seem quite big in the endgame. All regular bosses die in

[@f.m848]

12:47 Yes, when tempering by defualt has a 75% chance of failure(if the manual has 4 possible affixes), 1 more chance per GA makes a "significant" difference! you have got to be kidding me! Lol

[@Steven-bs5hv]

I wasted a lot of time playing around with uniques trying to make them work on my necro(I had 4 equipped at one point doing a minion + shadow corpse explosion build), and I'm gonna waste even more time trying out a really nice Black River when I get a good offhand, because DAMN is this season fun. But as it stands right now, I don't have a single unique equipped and I'm pushing 90 pits and hit rank 120 in the gauntlet and this is the first season I've bothered with the gauntlet. I'm old(54) and slow, so that feels pretty good to me.

[@pharismo9]

I really hope the cooldown change to stuff like Flame Shield, is only for abilites that would allow for invincibility/insane survival and not regular cooldowns which would severly slow down the combat of the game (Shouts, Ultimates, etc).

[@taks1993]

Didn't see a shout nerf to this extent but the druid one starts after it wears off so barb should be the same imo

[@SponsoredbyPfizer]

This is my worry, also cdr will become necessary on everything

[@pharismo9]

@@taks1993 Are you talking about Earthen Bulwark?

[@taks1993]

@@pharismo9 no i think its grizzly rage

[@zeza8603]

Get a grip bro

[@SHCreeper]

hey raxx, it's super frustrating to have a build guide around max rolled stats. Can we get "normal" rolled builds for the early endgame?

[@faatman42]

Chain lightning...... just take a page from d2s book and increase the number of jumps based on the level of the skill..

[@kevinsims5791]

Thats not how it works though. There is a legendary aspect that increases the number of bounces. This unique is different.

[@Vecalius]

Hey Rax one thing you missed, You said you wanted them to have a chest of materials in the new content. In the video you can see a chest called “Spoils of materials” which is awesome. I’m really hyped for this new stuff, looks dope.

[@Messametti]

Salvaging uniques should give a special material and with 5-10 of it you ca buy an aditional tempering roll. This would solve the bricking and would make even useless uniques valueable.

[@orion7920]

bricking as a possibility is the only hard part of this game

[@rainzhang4229]

So just remove tempering limit

[@mehmetabdullah250]

Ikr then people will complain about game being too easy. 😂😂. These ppl​@@orion7920

[@effies671]

D3 is a Gym, D4 is a Casino. Both model had it's pro and con for gamers, but from blizzard's perspective, when was the last time a casino owner willingly remodel their casino into a gym ?😅

[@mehmetabdullah250]

@@steelewearinc6140 speak brother they want their 4great affixed fully tempered uber uniqs handed to them the moment they open their character.

[@wiznz3659]

No ones wearing normal uniques because they are so fucking niche or too general to be useful. To make things worse, the mythic/uber uniques are almost always infinitely better than normal uniques.

[@ericaugusto4225]

Sorcerer unique "LC orbits you but the damage is reduced 10%[x] per hit, mana cost is doubled". 😂😂

[@zalotronik]

- more mana hungry - less dmg - slow pase + kaboom dmg (fully random and RNG) Anyway you will die on your sorc before you will see this big boom that will deal hundred of hundreds of dmg

[@justice4g]

the only class that always has to have a down side to anything they use

[@Veloros1047]

honestly for tempering they need to give each tempering slot it's own roll chances. Having like 5 in total is awful, because if 1 stat takes forever to roll, you basically have to 1 shot the second stat to even have a use-able item.

[@vyrodwarvenking]

Everything looks great but I can't say I'm very excited about bliz doubling down on bricking gear. More chances is great but it's still rng at the end of the day. Would be nice if there was some kind of focusing that you could do to cut down the pool to a few choices, at the price of it costing more chances. Like limiting it to 2-3 preferred affixes but it eats up 2 rerolls.

[@ezcoreg759]

Necro's bloodmust did not need to get nerfed. You can not do any damage while in blood mist form, you are trading damage for defence. It wasnt like the Sorc Flame shield, so Idk why they lumped it with it with the nerf!

[@nhoffman0677]

I would like to see them relax some of the resource costs of skills or increase regeneration. Some skills like Tornado for druids you're constanty running out, and they're miserable to play while leveling.

[@dannyberry8725]

not if you have your gear correct.

[@nhoffman0677]

​@dannyberry8725 Nah, it still sucks to deal with even in fully maxed out ideal gear, and it leads to meta builds be based on basic skills that have no resource needs ( heartseeker, wind shear, fire bolt, bash) or core skills with resource regeneration (whirlwind). As I mentioned, leveling is even worse, and it's either very gear specific or late game dependent to deal with.

[@kevinsims5791]

There is mana per second, mana per kill, resource regen, resource cost, what more do you want? Thats basically all you need. You just dont have enough

[@aryanmcdeid8424]

​@kevinsims5791 imagine resource generation being one of the most important stats on a class because it's inheritly bad. Face it. D4 class system is ass. The itemization is worse than D3. D4 DOES have more endgame potential than D2r and D3 but when only 2 or 3 classes truly shine in the endgame, who tf cares. All I wanna do is be a werewolf druid, or a summon druid. What's that? Those builds are ass? Well, better just make a barb to make the game ez pz lemon squeezy. The world is unimpressive and unremarkable. I could look past all of the faults, if I enjoyed the itemization/skill system more. What the dev team is building with these two systems, I just don't find enjoyable.

[@nhoffman0677]

@kevinsims5791 I know how all these systems work. I have all 5 classes this season alone to 100 with maxed gear, and I have followed basically every meta guide. It's just simply not balanced on some core skills and builds, especially with how the endgame is currently designed to optimize damage output and then health/armor/resistances.

[@loganboyd10]

Love the changes so far, I got a Tyrael’s Might off a random tormented Grigore kill! Games getting so much better

[@faolchudumannios7455]

Don't think they buffed druids enough to counter the loss of shepherd on all builds lol.

[@PostprandialTorpor]

Poor rabies: easy come, easy go

[@wiffy3067]

I’m am so excited that Diablo is getting a multiplayer horde mode. I really hope it finds other people for you to play with if your solo.

[@Setzer777]

2-4 uniques per build? So essentially they want uniques to be like set pieces without actually adding set pieces into the game.

[@Kunaii473]

seems that way but at the end of the day uniques are technically the best items in the game so what does it hurt yano? I do understand theres alot of aspects but uniques are the real hunt

[@meetdevonplays]

No if it was set pieces they would just release sets lol reading too much into it. Do you not want more uniques?

[@Setzer777]

@@meetdevonplays Apparently you didn't watch the video. So when they eventually add in sets are you gonna want legendaries or uniques?

[@meetdevonplays]

@@Setzer777 uhh I watched the whole live stream and read the patch notes didn’t see anything say sets or set pieces

[@meetdevonplays]

@@Setzer777 just cause 1 unique might have synergy with another unique doesn’t make it a set. A set would indicate you would have to use both to get whatever set bonus it gives.

[@pmkaboo2446]

i remember s4 ptr where sorc got a crazy new unique, which then got nerfed to being barely noticable.

[@epsilon1670]

Tempering basically still gonna suck balls in season 5, remove the stupid weighted rolls there is no way everything has the same chance, when you can get 1 affix like 5 times in a row pretty regularly then you got a problem.

[@ener11454]

That is how random works.

[@patrickdegroot3692]

@@ener11454 Except random is pretty shit when some tempers have 3 options while others have more. This makes it exceptionally harder for specific builds and classes to successfully temper items than others. There is enough "random" in acquiring your perfect 3xGA item, there should be a way to get that thing perfectly tempered even after bricking, by requiring a load of grinding, sparks to reset and/or a wait-time (latter being less desirable in seasons as this would become pointless when the season is near its end.) Every top-tier item I have found ended up with a brick. This is highly demotivating, punishing people for finding the item that would be a significant upgrade to them, honestly traded or self-found, and I'm not even talking about the people that spent RM billions on item, not demotivating as much but it would probably suck for them as well even though they could just order a bunch of extra billions with RM if they could. That is not the case for me as I have literally found nothing that I could actually sell for decents amount of cash in over 13 days of play, and neither do I have the will to go order some billions off some website as this defeats the point of me even playing and grinding the game. I find myself unable to afford anything that could offer me a chance at not actually bricking another good item; again, the ones I have found, have always bricked. Sometimes I wonder why I even try. There is a bunch of time left this season, but I find myself just rather doing something other ie doing something else other than grinding more d4.

[@effies671]

D3 is a Gym, D4 is a Casino. Both model had it's pro and con for gamers, but from blizzard's perspective, when was the last time a casino owner willingly remodel their casino into a gym ?🤔

[@jshipp1313]

That’s what makes the game fun, keep grinding until you get what you want

[@adamm2091]

​@jshipp1313 that would be okay if the grind wasnt so utterly crippling Who wants to run the same dungeon for uber mats but going in, killing, leaving, resetting and repeating? Why not just tell the altar how many times you want it to spawn and just fight it endlessly? Why not add a vendor to the inside? Its a mess of loading screens. Also, Uber Ubique farming sucks.

[@someball.]

Last time I've played was during season 2. But now they've finally changed enough for me to want to return. Might log into season 4 today and then check out the PTR afterwards!

[@izanagiorochi6324]

I don't understand why we can't just get a command minion like in D3, that leap isn't going to fix anything it'll just be a dumb golem leaping where you don't want. The +3 chances to temper honestly means nothing to me as well. All that says to me is "3 mote chances to get Bone Spirit cool down when you just want Bone Storm duration". Can I also equip 3 weapons with my sorc please? Two wands and a focus? A wand a staff and a focus?

[@kevinmann2154]

Glyph xp in New hell would also been nice and another source of angel breath but alot of good changes are coming.

[@evg3nius]

blizzard is cooking. Uniques look really cool and waves thing looks fine too, I'm pretty much done with s4 after a month, but with that many uniques might get full 2 months play through of s5

[@Malacite]

Made a post about it on the forums but I think they should just remove the RNG - at least partially. Let us just PICK what option we want when Tempering, but increase the cost, widen the range of the rolls (so harder to hit max) and reduce the number of rerolls. That way instead of bricking an item hoping for the roll you want, you can risk re-rolling to get a better or potentially worse outcome instead, similar to enchanting but with no option to keep the previous roll; you still have to commit to it and at least then if you "brick" it, you only have your own greed to blame.

[@MidnightRiderr369]

+1 agreed

[@maddstaxx]

So barb has 6 weapons while everyone else has 2 weapons and the classes got meaningless buffs. Barb walks around with 100k life and my sorc dies when stepping on a cricket

[@maddstaxx]

@@kuzzbillington6392 let me guess. U are being serious. Surely the barb wouldn't die more often to '1 shot', short range mechanics while a sorc only needs to move around to live

[@markstover1753]

Sounds like you need to make a barb so you can finally stop complaining and play 🤷 Easy fix. Game is still miles better than season 3, sorcs will get the buffs they need hopefully sooner than later, I'd definitely like to go back to Arc Lash.

[@hurrayforanonyms]

​@@kuzzbillington6392 So the barb fought close quarters and soaked up all the damage for you? Or what are you saying here?

[@maddstaxx]

@@markstover1753 i do play barb. Im going to continue abusing having 6 weapons until the devs realize how idiotic it is and correct such a significant flaw. But i do have a sorc and necro fully geared that i never play because my barb is 100x better with equivalent gear

[@mangomalia7541]

this here is the reality of barbarian 4, you can have any class invest 200hrs into it and then swap to barb and after 10 hrs hell be stronger than your other toons. FACTS

[@ericmccarter1763]

Raxx Theodore Logan: it’s like super chain ball lighting. Bill S. Preston Esquire: NO WAY!

[@Rancid_Ninja]

Be excellent to each other

[@roryrubymace3749]

Also, the Golem jump ability has been in Diablo Immortal since day one. It's crazy that it took this long to get into this game.

[@innomtl7140]

12:53. great, 3 additional chances to roll the same affix. I like where they are going but jesus the RNG for tempering is so bad. I love the boss summoning as well, it was such a pain walking back and forth resetting then another loading screen.

[@Tfisk]

If they wanted to make uniques great, what if they just give you unlimited tempering on it? Just add a gold cost to it so after 7-8 charges its like 1m each time. This way you can reroll to your hearts content while also not being pointless to begin with, that or just help us get stats we want on uniques.

[@lathspell87]

The tempering RNG is stupid, right now. How is it that I need 1 affix out of 4 available, and I get 6 rolls of the exact same one I don't need? They need to reduce the change of getting the affix you already have rolled when rerolling the same affix. That needs to happen immediately.

[@WatchingFromWork6636]

Randomly tossing out “Rogue like” and moving on is a huge thing. Rogue like is quite specific and nothing like D4 currently is.

[@maxpowers4436]

It's rougelike like mechanics in dungeon relax dip

[@sethwood1676]

I mean would you like them to say roguelite because it’s definitely a rogue lite horde survival mode by what was shown.

[@Endslikecrazy]

The necro changes were good but indeed the minions are to stupid, im very casual and currently kinda capping at NMD 90s to do them comfortably but im really noticing minions just fall behind constantly. Its also one of the reason i do not understand why we take so much movement speed in the shadow minion build, it doesnt make much sense to me to keep running infront of my minions whilst the build says let your minions do everything and just dont get hit, its kinda hard to not get hit when my minions arent even on my screen or just respawning while im constantly running ahead of them. Cant say i agree with the tree of whisper thing, i always have the whispers done out of the blue, i dont even notice when im doing whisper objectives TBH

[@ryanm.9396]

I’ve already bricked all of my best pieces. Now sitting at 11 3 GA ruined items. No resetting option is a major L for blizzard.

[@Akakiryuushin]

bricking is just a straight L mechanic

[@RaneStari]

Sucks to suck, get better luck lmao

[@djryat4591]

At least now those would have had 8 rerolls, at least better than nothing. I think bricking items is very important for the longevity of the seasons though, I think 8 rerolls for 3 ga items is probably good enough. I really want an option to to keep the last roll, like with enchanting

[@TheMissingPluto]

​@@RaneStari'get better' at rng? Nice troll

[@aaronapitius4775]

Seems like a pretty good W for Blizzard imo. I liked pretty much all these changes

[@troyferraro2382]

Can tempers just roll and not dodge chance 3 times in a row.. how about no repeat temper back to back?

[@msoulforged]

I got 5, lol. That was a sad moment

[@epsilon1670]

This is the biggest issue

[@Weslicus]

Is it really too much to ask that we get a little story mode for world tiers 1 & 2 AND get an end game system? Is it too much to ask for both?

[@mwrobins11]

Unless the sorcerer and druid can have a 2 hand and 2 one-hands they will still continue to be behind. Sorc needs 3rd enchantment slot as well.

[@specialorder9379]

With the new rolls that come with GA items, it should at the very least allow us to get the affix we want. I’m cool with the RNG of the affix stat itself, the missing due to duplicate rolls etc is what the problem has been.

[@kydelastra]

Tempering should be just like re-enchanting an item- let me pick between 2 or three options.

[@sledgehammer5033]

absolutely not

[@Tempest7472]

Thanks for all the great Diablo 4 vidoes and the season 5 campfire summary .

[@HaulMail]

Thanks for the Summary

[@Vinicius-go6wh]

I am HAPPY about the chain lightning buff on SORC, I made one, I had a terrible experience with it even in the late game. It was actually my first character playing this game.. I made a rogue and I am much happier with the Rogue :)

[@scottferguson5686]

They should treat uniques like exotics in Destiny. You can only wear one but they are super powerful with unique powers that cater to a certain build/play style.

[@kudbettinkohen1935]

No.

[@kudbettinkohen1935]

@@kuzzbillington6392 you can wear more than one unique. It should stay like that. Let me know if you have any other questions.

[@robertwelch1443]

The nerf to Shadow Wave is devastating… capping wither node to 1,200 intelligence has killed the class

[@jarlaxle4492]

1 temper per unique seems like a natural compromise

[@Minazuki.Infinity]

Then it just bricks.

[@KiteVtuberDefender]

No because then it just makes uniques better legendries. This is a good fix blizzard did. Just make uniques good on drop.

[@zalotronik]

@@KiteVtuberDefender yea uber uniques should be way better then any other unique or legendaries even WITH tempering. if not better remove the uber note from them.

[@cam0427]

They need to add Belts. Diablo 2 and diablo 3 both had a slot for belts. They could even bring back items like Tgods & arachnids sash and other nostalgic Legendary items.

[@Juuiiice]

Big, big, big W to Blizzard for this one

[@discodisco360]

Love: * Changes to uniques * Extra Tempering for Greater Affixes * No other changes to Tempering (Yes I love that you can break items) * More endgame variation (Infernal Hordes) * Weapon changes * Target farming * All QoL * Balance changes Hate: * That you can now get Greater affixes from a chest in Infernal Horde (No activity in the game should let you target farm Greater Affixes) * Considering giving group play more than 50%. (Hate that groups should be significantly better than solo, if you play in group, each player should contribute, how much you contribute as a player should give you exactly how much you contributed and nothing more, groups are already always more overpowered than solo. I mostly see streamers/blasters complaining about group play rewards because they always have full groups and can take full advantage of group play. The average player that plays a few hours per day/week will certainly have a disadvantage and much harder time to find groups)

[@Khrann]

Was pretty excited about the chain lightning thing until you said it’s tied to a unique. I hoped it was a new codex power.

[@anthonymauk4985]

regular uniques are pretty easy to get, so it shouldnt be that bad unless they screw up the chances

[@devonpack906]

Are we not going to talk about the necromancer nerf ? 120% to 50% is kind steep especially when shadow mages and stuff were lef untouched

[@RascalCatify]

CC is still crazy IMO. Playing my Shadow Minion Necro and I have been chained CCd plenty of times to where I die. Also too wish they address poison damage, to me, it seems way OP and stacks on you like crazy.

[@HKGeneral]

Your golem ability literally gives you unstoppable. High CDR and golem active CDR tempers, alongside blood mist and just playing smart and hanging back makes this a non issue for my necro

[@RascalCatify]

@@HKGeneral Oh I know about the Golem part but when its not on cooldown it can be an issue and then you are only unstoppable for 1.5sec. Its just annoying when you a get a mob that freezes you, then another that fears you, at the same time.

[@cacskl]

WOW!!!! Finally! We are getting the game we've been asking for! Still much to do, but it is shaping up to be really good. OMG Boss altars will respawn!!!! YESSSSS!

[@encryption767]

So they come pre-bricked. That's awesome.

[@ezramarichal802]

This new season sounds amazing already!

[@Jordan458_]

Leaderboards?

[@Devildoginvu]

So necros get an overpower buff from using 2h maces! Also this opens up future uniques being made for each class allowing more build diversity.

[@alberto2128]

tempering: 1 option keep current power + no more than x3 same power

[@AresGod0fWar]

F it they already took rifts and Kanai’s cube from D3. Just make them gems instead. Lol

[@Ziegen_]

"The sorcerers found something that works; we absolutely cannot fucking have that." - somebody at Blizzard probably.

[@Existing_Echo]

Scroll of escape needs to be removed from the game.

[@Freeek89]

@Raxxanterax Hey - who should i talk to when i got this Problem: At Maxroll Barb Paragon Boards - the Side of "Bone Breaker" the yellow "Vigor" knot is shown with needed 400dex but it needs 460 - does that affect taking the knot not? Sorry for asking that - i am sadly not that good in theorycrafting

[@lil----lil]

Right now, 90% of uniques are pure trash. After tempering, they PALE compared to regular legendaries. Until they're TRULY build defining like Shako & Andario, they're a pure waste of design resources.

[@ianhorne9594]

Shako isn’t build defining, it’s a unique that just made whatever you’re building better

[@courve]

@@ianhorne9594sometimes

[@kydelastra]

I was going to say, I found a Shako and it only makes my build bad.

[@kudbettinkohen1935]

Uniques should be fixed but this reasoning is wrong. 90% of uniques should be trash. They are unique quirky items that are not always useful. Currently *all* top builds use non-uber uniques so they definitely have some use.

[@izanagiorochi6324]

if you're not playing meta it is definitely build defining

[@emixxxen]

Please ask Blizzard to make it possible for clan officers to see for how long a clan member has been offline.

[@marcusbrown3880]

So instead of giving each sorc build a unique bang dmg spell, or buff what they nerfed that made sorc fun to play, nope, theyre going to give u a cattle prod. FKN Blizzard nerfed sorc into the depths of hell and now well u get a little light show that sparkles.....

[@ryan_gaming_hub]

😅they actually nerfed damage on sorc accross the Paragon board which was not shown on twitch.

[@marcusbrown3880]

@@ryan_gaming_hub LOL typical Blizz, here's what were giving you in one hand, the other, nerfing behind the scenes

[@ryan_gaming_hub]

@@marcusbrown3880 OR you can completely turn off your brain and go full unga bunga and be like "me barb me stonks me bash"

[@marcusbrown3880]

@@ryan_gaming_hub bu bu but but but i like using my brain ...So i went for heartseeker rogue instead :P

[@ryan_gaming_hub]

@@marcusbrown3880 🤣🤣

[@scotticus8823]

Why not use the elixer's or potions to encourage tempering aspects when doing the tempering... Like if I use a potion that gives me 5% exp and Plus to fortitude, when I temper, I'm more likely to roll max life, life per sec, etc... that way we can target temper out items and potions become more commodity outside of pre-lvl 100

[@darkinsanity98473]

Silly statement, Barbs are not way too strong, don't perpetuate that nonsense Raxx. They're one of the few classes in a particularly good spot, though they can always use some buffs to lesser performing builds. Other classes just need more of them.

[@KoyoteVS]

yeah there’s a lot of barb builds that need love

[@Astro_Vagabond]

I reiterate. There needs to be a currency unique to tempering that gives you increased chances to roll the tempers you want, depending on how much you spend, but never giving you above 85% chance

[@Ratdragon67]

Soooo the new season mechanic is a rehash of a diablo immortal event? Word. It was fun, so I'm ok with it.

[@benjaminhull6107]

They haven’t revealed the season mechanic which they alluded to at the end. Funny seeing some people get up in arms about the season not being big enough when they are yet to reveal everything and lack listening comprehension.

[@Ratdragon67]

@benjaminhull6107 To be fair, I didn't actually watch the stream. They way rax was talking about infernal hordes in this video made me assume that was the seasonal mechanic. I'm half listening while at work, you can get off your high horse.

[@benjaminhull6107]

@@Ratdragon67 Wasn’t insulting you. Just other people I’ve seen that were unaware of what they said. Chill.

[@dannyberry8725]

Best thing coming to the Rogue is the changes to Dark Shroud and the fact that the Rogue can get around 30-40% crit chance without a single roll on gear.

[@dmitrijsmironovs7513]

lol sounds balanced, whilst druid still cant regen his main resouce XD

[@dannyberry8725]

@dmitrijsmironovs7513 but Druids will be unkillable next season and the Rogue needed more defense. Rogues can't fortify like the Druid, thr Barb, or the Necro, and have no invincibility skills like the Sorc