River Running: Eddy Turns (Breaking Out and Breaking In)

[@michaeltingler6137]

Now we have Ray’s expertise and wisdom…with sweet graphics to bring in the Gen Z paddlers. As always, great video!

[@RayGoodwinCanoe]

Thanks so much Michael. Glad you like it.

[@canoepoler]

I love the well defined breakdown of the manoeuvre and then changing from tandem to solo to show that the boat is doing the same thing regardless. Thanks for this offering.

[@RayGoodwinCanoe]

Much appreciated! It is always nice to realise people are really looking at the video with understanding. Thank you.

[@MartinMartin-yi9to]

Once again a very good and well produced video. Thanks Ray.

[@RayGoodwinCanoe]

Thanks Martin, appreciated

[@sergiumocan3355]

always afraid of these, now i'll turn them into fun maneuvers, very well explained with enough details and logic (as always). Thank you Ray, another notch in canoe technics

[@RayGoodwinCanoe]

Glad to have been of help.

[@alantaylor688]

Great way of explaining, as ever... thanks Ray

[@RayGoodwinCanoe]

Thank you.

[@martinoutdoors6941]

Good use of the arrows to explain and show. Thank you Ray

[@RayGoodwinCanoe]

Glad you liked it

[@nigelgregory4777]

Another great presentation Ray, can't believe I missed when posted, great to see you do it solo and tandem and the arrows help to see what we should be looking for. Once again, many thanks Ray for taking the time to produce information of this quality 👍👍☕☕ Nige.

[@RayGoodwinCanoe]

Thank you for appreciating it. It had been one I had wanted to do for ages. Cheers

[@nigelgregory4777]

@@RayGoodwinCanoe the spey was a first for me and spotting the eddys was a bit last minute at times, but we all survived and had a great week with you and Paul, ❤👍👍☕☕ Looking forward to more.... Nige.

[@NobleEndeavours123]

Another awesome video to watch. I am going to have to check your playlists to see if you have one that specifically calls out your videos like this one. Makes great refresher material for me as another whitewater season gets ready to start in Canada. Thanks for sharing!

[@RayGoodwinCanoe]

Fairly well sorted into playlists mind I probably need to do some housekeeping and check they are in order. Anyway thank you for you kind comment

[@gillianroebuck7190]

Another great video from Ray Goodwin!

[@RayGoodwinCanoe]

I appreciate that, thank you.

[@EzeAdventurer]

Thanks for sharing your knowledge mate!

[@RayGoodwinCanoe]

My pleasure!

[@doneddy2204]

Thanks so much for the tutoring. Wish you were closer I’d love to take some training from you. Washington state probably a little to far.

[@RayGoodwinCanoe]

Maybe one day! But yep i think Washington state is a little far. But thank you for your kind comment.

[@jonwhiteley1352]

Well done Ray, informative as ever. Will be getting the lady of the house to watch, looking at getting her out a bit more this year. Thanks

[@RayGoodwinCanoe]

Thanks 👍

[@srappywoo]

Very helpful as always, thank you 🤩

[@RayGoodwinCanoe]

You are most welcome

[@madaprak]

Thanks Ray.

[@RayGoodwinCanoe]

you are most welcome

[@robertcanning2410]

Robert Canning 0 seconds ago As always Ray, you manage to break down essential skills into easy manageable sections, great to add to my coaching toolbox

[@RayGoodwinCanoe]

Thank you for your kind comment and glad to help a fellow coach. Cheers

[@kevinbungles]

Master class

[@RayGoodwinCanoe]

Thank you Kevin. Appreciated

[@samjamsamjamsam]

Great video Ray, as always!

[@RayGoodwinCanoe]

I appreciate that. Thank you.

[@magicdrshoon]

Very informative Ray - Thank you! Would love to go on one of your courses!

[@bertheemskerk3273]

@@magicdrshoon do it! It's worth it 👌🏻

[@RayGoodwinCanoe]

@@magicdrshoon Thanks for that vote of confidence! Where are you based/live?

[@magicdrshoon]

@@RayGoodwinCanoe Bedfordshire, but willing to travel.

[@dougpacanoemanburns4294]

Ray how do different Hull types affect edging in your experience, flat bottom boat shallow v boat etc

[@RayGoodwinCanoe]

Big question! It depends on so much rather than just the bottom of the boat. So a Mad River Explorer (V hulled) was easy to put on edge and even the gunwale to the water: once there it was very stable which made it very good for control/turns if you poled. The Wenonah Prospector (shallow arch) would go to edge very easily but was more than happy to continue so had to be controlled at all times (but good). My pink Venture Prospector (shallow arch) is much harder to push onto its edge. Years ago I paddled an Old Town Pathfinder (flat bottom) I don't recall any difficulty in putting it on its edge. So the basic descriptions such as V, shallow arch, flat bottomed don't give all the information by a long way. So when ever I have a chance to try a new/different canoe I am, within minutes, trying it out for edge and stability on its edge. That tells me a lot about how it going to perform on white water. So sorry there are not definites in there but just my methodolatry.

[@suetadman3530]

Another useful video Ray, thank you. However, it doesn't answer the one burning question I have as a solo paddler and which no one has been able to give me a satisfactory answer to, and that is how do you decide, when approaching the eddy, whether to paddle on the eddy side or the offside? In several of the examples in the video you were paddling on the eddy side but on the Swellies, Tryweryn, and Dee you weren't. Any guidance would be gratefully received.

[@RayGoodwinCanoe]

Good question! If I need stability in the eddy I will have my paddle on the inside of the turn. However it is often easier to drive the canoe into the eddy with the paddle on the outside of the move. So the rock in the Swellies (Menai Strait) I needed the power on the outside, the chute on the Tryweryn as well, because the water would be pushing the bow off course and downstream. Hard to correct that with the paddle on the upstream side whilst keeping power on. So no easy answer other than it just depends. Mind with the paddle on the outside of the turn I feel I can get away with more on the approach. I will be doing other videos on this subject where I concentrate more on the stroke work/which side/etc. PS I deliberately, to this day, challenge myself on picking which side to paddle so I keep my choices open and skill level up.

[@suetadman3530]

@@RayGoodwinCanoe That's really interesting, and thought provoking. I feel I have developed a kind of instinct for which might be best at any given time but haven't been able to say exactly why. It's probably a combination of speed of flow, size of eddy, surrounding obstacles and a whole host of other things. Maybe there just isn't a simple guiding rule. My biggest problem, I think, is spotting eddies that turn out not to be eddies when you get there. Not sure how to get round that one, except practise practise practise!

[@RayGoodwinCanoe]

@@suetadman3530 It is always practise practise practise with a good dose of challenge. If you look at this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5XahIt8hMuhiqc which is about the bottom rapid at Mile End Mill, From 2.50 I am going for the small eddy at the top of the rapid in the middle of the river. I really prefer to do this right handed as it is easier to control and kill the speed once in the eddy and I am not working cross deck in a very unstable area of water. Clear cut example of easier on the one side. I can do it left handed but it feels harder. Eddies not being eddies..... I have been caught on that one on a few occasions. Running lots of rivers you don't know builds up the experience to spot the fakes but more importantly when not to presume because the mistake will be costly.

[@suetadman3530]

@@RayGoodwinCanoe Indeed, but it can help one become quite accomplished and running things backwards!

[@RayGoodwinCanoe]

@@suetadman3530 An important skill. I used to include it in my ww kayak courses. It is going to happen to all of us so useful to practise it deliberately or inadvertently.

[@bruceambrose5928]

What type of mount do you use on your canoe to mount your GoPro?

[@RayGoodwinCanoe]

Railblaza. I use two of their star-ports so that I have a quick fitting on bow and stern and then use their R-Lock Camera Boom 600. I ALWAYS use cord to attach the camera directly to the boat independent of the boom system. I have known a knock undo and detach the boom joints. But quick and easy system that I really like. www.railblaza.co.uk

[@bruceambrose5928]

@@RayGoodwinCanoe Thanks for the info and the great video's

[@Rhodri80]

Might be useful to show the cross bow stroke in detail as you use this quite often in the video.

[@RayGoodwinCanoe]

You have me there! Just checked back through my videos and found I hadn’t covered it elsewhere (thought I had). So I need to do a crossbow and a bow rudder video to complete the series on strokes . Thanks

[@MrMjt888]

Really like this Ray. Some top tips. P.S. I’m in it for about 3 seconds. Can I claim it 😂

[@RayGoodwinCanoe]

Thanks Mike. Yes you can claim it! Nearly used the bit of you and Abbie but it didn't quite fit what I was after. Been some hard choices on this one.

[@TheCanadianBeaver]

Keep following your nose Ray!

[@RayGoodwinCanoe]

Will do. 😁