Raynor saves Mengsk from UED

When UED forces are trying to arrest Arcturus Mengsk, suddenly Jim Raynor appears with a small fleet at his side.

[@lsy283]

1:25 that third Wraith captain was wise to move out of the way

[@justnoob8141]

Tatara [SSS] indeed, that pilot choose a wise decision

[@YasonYou]

Wraiths are ranked captain! Nice attention to detail man.

[@shadowsaber9020]

Maybe it was the captain of the UED the player controls.

[@rok2383]

God is love this game. Alexei Stukov was so badass and so was Gerard. “You should know that we represent not one of your rat-tag peasant militias, but the combined might of the United Earth Directorate.”, “Show this ‘emperor’ what the UED thinks of his rule” and “you have far outlived you’re reputation ‘citizen’ Mengsk”. They are such great characters.

[@Wen6543]

"...but the combined might of the United Earth Directorate" That sounds so proud, powerful and overwhelming... The 3 Starcraft 2 are not bad games but have nothing near to this quality of writing that while is not perfect it makes you feel emotions and immersion.

[@Xpwnxage]

I was rooting for the UED the whole time. Earth baby 🌎🌍

[@sharpasacueball]

​@@Xpwnxage UED should have won but Jim, Fenix, Kerrigan, and Mengsk decided to team up 😢

[@vergil5047]

​@@sharpasacueball in hindsight, it just gives you a glimpse of how incredibly powerful Earth's forces are. This was only a small expeditionary or scout force that managed to outpower all three factions right until they decided to band up together. If the UED decided to send a proper invasion force they would highly likely not stand a chance.

[@senpainoticeme9675]

​@@vergil5047well the Protoss were very disorganised during the UED invasion. While Kerrigan is having trouble using her will to control the various Zerg broods, recently severed from the death of the Overmind. If the UED arrived and brought trouble when the Protoss and Zerg were at their peak, I think it most likely result in a three way stand-off.

[@tomwallen7271]

I love the dialogue. Mensk: "You monsters. I'll kill you all." Dugalle: "Um... We're gonna execute you for Treason." Mensk: "WHAT!? How could you!?"

[@vindico8231]

Mensk : I will kill you ! Dugalle : Not if I kill you first ! Mensk : Why do you want to kill me ?

[@alvydasjokubauskas2587]

Mingsk: I didn't meant killing you, I meant pacifying. It was a mistake that I said the word killing, a slip of a tongue , and you sir should be ashamed that you wan't to kill me for no good reason. Even Raynor thinks I should be alive.

[@mvpmvp2980]

This is intolerable

[@Rensune]

Like most tyrants Mengsk is an insane hypocrite.

[@autorefresher1]

Uther: "what!? How could you even consider that?"

[@Kolt461]

The music just fits with this scene.

[@Kolt461]

1:05 Mengsk: You wouldn't dare Badass part from Terran 3 plays.

[@Anudorini-Talah]

Hi Lord Admiral Daelin Proudmoore

[@mastermindbrain1985]

Indeed, Kunkka

[@jssekyl]

It just works

[@mivapusa]

Raynor, later; "So that was a mistake..."

[@anonnimoose7987]

Kerrigan: Thanks for keeping him alive Jim now I get to skewer him

[@shapowlow]

haha. but they'd all die to the UED if this didn't happen so I guess it's the right choice at the time.

[@Noplayster13]

Hard to say whether it was a mistake or not. Assassinating Arcturus would be WAY easier than throwing off the shackles of the UED if it was allowed to become fully established.

[@xxlCortez]

@@Noplayster13 Easier, yes. Wiser? Well…

[@Noplayster13]

@@xxlCortez In this particular case, I don’t believe there is a distinction between the two.

[@arbiter11171]

Mengsk: Jim Raynor, what the hell are you doing here? Jim: Get in loser, we're going planet hopping.

[@ZethHolyblade]

1:01 The fact that the best part of Terran 3 song slowly kicks in before Raynor appears makes this scene even more epic.

[@stampedeofone]

All these years later, I finally get it. DuGalle is right, recall is an outrage.

[@Amp661]

Love how Raynor casually kills 2 Wraith pilots just to talk to Dugalle and save Mengsk. Finest 2 shots i've seen.

[@axlrivera5277]

I remember that if you selected the Hyperion, it had enough damage to one shot a full health wraith

[@Losrandir]

@@axlrivera5277 I wonder how that works. Some kind of multi yamato blaster

[@balhaddadinn]

​@@LosrandirHyperion was edited for this mission and had its damage increased. The same way custom maps are made

[@evilsmileyface90]

0:15 "I wish to parler with your executive officers at once." "Yes please hold sir... a little bit to the left... a little bit more.. alright perfect 👌 Admiral Yamato will be right with you"

[@HolyknightVader999]

As a UED player, I remember feeling rather pissed off by the end of the level. Here I am, spending two levels working my ass off, getting nuked, getting gang-banged by a fleet of battle cruisers, assembling a mighty army to attack Mengsk's command center, and Raynor and the Protoss just show up to steal my victory. DAMMIT JIM! HE'S A WAR CRIMINAL! YOU SHOULD HAVE LET US KILL HIM SO HE WOULDN'T HAVE BOTHERED YOU IN SCII!

[@alanoxford6219]

Nope, Mengsk did nothing wrong. Mengsk for President 2020

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@alanoxford6219 Valerian, maybe. Arcturus, nope.

[@suqmadique9762]

make terran space great again

[@HuyNguyen-us8st]

Welp the new overmind + UED is gonna be a much bigger problem than Mengsk. So Raynor did nothing wrong here.

[@andreyz2436]

Same, I felt annoyed. I did not like Raynor much before this, and liked him even less after this. The guy is impulsive, a useful tool that changes hands, and his endless simping for Kerrigan was pathetic.

[@roshango125ab]

If you wana do something fun use the "black sheep wall" cheet during this scene to reveal a ton of arbiters in the corner of the map

[@poiuyt975]

And now I'll have to install the game again. ;-)

[@roberts.wilson1848]

good ol' times when games were made for fun and developers were creating "cheat codes" to help those of lesser skill...nowadays it's called buy whatevershark card for some ingame resources...or buy credits which you can use for some ingame resources

[@GUYCLIP]

@@roberts.wilson1848 You seriously believe all games pre 2012 were made for “fun”?

[@roberts.wilson1848]

@@GUYCLIP pre 2000

[@supsendchapal4679]

@@roberts.wilson1848 Cheat codes were made for developers to test and debug the game, never meant for the players. Debugging tools are more developed now so cheat codes aren't needed anymore. And in the "good ole times", there were games with riddles impossible to guess, just so you had to buy the strategy guide if you wanted to finish it. (Just look up the gnome's riddle in Kings Quest 1 for example) Videogames today aren't perfect, but we went a great way for game design, player accessibility, and other minor things like patching game-breaking bugs thanks to internet support.

[@chickendrawsdogs3343]

The narrative complexity that StarCraft 1 was able to achieved with limited resources is astounding.

[@seebbwin6009]

lol i love how at the end the battlecruiser flew forward like "where did he gooo?"

[@fitalityGamer]

the UED is actually preety scary, if you think about it. they managed to subdue the zergs with a chutulu type creature sabotaging them, make one of the largest colony in the sector subdued, and manage to use the zerg as their own army. they only failed when zerg, terran, and protoss combined their power, defeating UED for a while. but the zergs actually assholes and almost made terran and protoss almost extict

[@thebandofbastards4934]

And they've only sent an expeditionary force armed with only the mimimum of tech.

[@fitalityGamer]

@@thebandofbastards4934 didn't know that, makes them more terrifying

[@dewinmoonl]

yeah and they're basically the equivalent of a USS Enterprise from startrek lol

[@jacobweatherford4696]

​@@thebandofbastards4934 its like Kerrigan said the ued is eventually gonna return and when they do the corpulu sector needs to be ready.

[@1erickf50]

​@@dewinmoonlWith Pre-AI Rebellion Warhammer 40k technology

[@journeymanX]

i wanna see UED return in SC3

[@frogsama666]

Yes please!!!!

[@Eclipton]

Same here. And this time, make it harder for the heroes to take them down.

[@anstjsdlr]

+Eclipton well, UED defeated almost every known Terran heroes like Duke, Mengsk, and Ryanor himself. Except for Umojan Protectorate and Kell Morrian, UED conquered every known territory of Terran dominion. As a last, UED defeated Zerg Swarm on Char and controlled the Overmind. All these were done in a month or so. Kerrigan asked to form an alliance for reasons. UED was a pretty serious threat to them.

[@ib_aryayogabharata]

Sun Moon wait i thought the Umojan protectored and Kell Morian Combine were Neutral? also they were weaker than the Dominion or its Confederacy predecessor because of war with Confederacy years before the sequel?

[@gracecalis5421]

journeymanX I'd love for them to return, though they need to ditch the Terran faction reskin and make them their own fully fledged faction woth their own unique designs. It'd be a really cool concept to have an extremely alien and advanced overwhelming invasion force invade the Dominion, only to have them realize it's actually humans from earth. It'd be a cool juxtaposition

[@borgri5871]

even dugalle struggled to contain his own laughter when he was telling mengsk he was going to be executed alongside all of his officers

[@delighted2849]

Music fits so perfectly.

[@ZenithalPoint]

Adjutant: Sir, the Rebel command ship and protoss fleet has just entered our sensor range. Dugalle: Yes, I can see that, Adjutant. They are like, right in front of us and already shoot down two of our fighters. Thank you.

[@Blundabus1337]

1:37 I like how Mengsk is caught off guard. His tone is like "...am I being saved by my sworn enemy?"

[@PenumbraPremier]

I like how after Raynor shows up, Dugalle didn't even matter anymore lol

[@gokturk15]

I hate that SC2 almost completely forgot about brood war storyline. That shit was so good.

[@simonhuuskristensen4736]

"This in intolerable!" :P

[@koshi6505]

Mengsk: Dimensional Recall? Wtff--------------fuh?

[@acidosis1985]

I wasn't even paying attention. I am jamming to the terran theme song.

[@tanalbi]

I cannot believe that the entire terran campaign, we were playing as the antagonists

[@carpediem9750]

And thats why we loved thegame

[@tanalbi]

@@carpediem9750 oh, so it is true? The UED were the villains in here? I just assumed it since Raynor and Artanis saved Mengsk, i mean, why in the holy mother of God he would do that? I thought he hated the Terran Dominion and wanted to end it by killing Mengsk, but why save him?

[@HundredJono]

@@tanalbi The UED came into the Koprulu Sector with an iron fist after seeing what Mengsk was doing with the Terran Dominion and wanted to unite the Terran together by any means necessary. The UED also wanted to take control of the new Overmind and use the Zerg to wipe out the Protoss, and we do help them achieve control of this Overmind in the campaign. The Terrans in the Koprulu Sector didn't want to live under UED control so that's why Kerrigan, Raynor, and Mengsk work together in this campaign against us, the UED. The UED force we play as and fight against in Brood War was just an expeditionary force and still manage to nearly gain control of the sector. The full fleet was still at Earth during this whole time just imagine what they could have done.

[@ingold1470]

​@@HundredJono Did Blizzard set the game on such a frontier so the whole base-building and resource gathering part of the game would make sense?

[@miguelfonseca1104]

@@HundredJono was it truly confirmed that the UED wanted to wipe out the protoss? i just assumed the communication lines were soured early and the UED just stayed on course with cautious xenophobia.

[@Noplayster13]

Some have complained about this moment because they think that the UED weren’t that bad and there wouldn’t be any reason for Jim to work with Arcturus over them. It seems likely to me that the reason for it was cultural bias. Jim and everyone else in the sector are descendants of the “undesirables” that were shipped off to die somewhere in space by the UED. Jim considers them worse than Arcturus because he’s been taught that they were the worst people ever (which isn’t necessarily wrong). Thus, It’d be like if the Nazis had shipped off some of the Jews into space, only for a Nazi fleet to show up there a few hundred years later. Every other grudge would be set aside until that threat was dealt with.

[@crimsonlanceman7882]

The thing about UED was that it was an outside force coming with the orders to pacify any and all resistance. They greatly outmatched the Terran Dominion, robbed of their homeworld Protoss and decimated Zerg army, and any other smaller faction combined. So, Raynor and others, including Kerrigan and Mengsk, naturally understood that it doesn't matter who wins here, as long as UED remains undefeated, they are going to long-termly lose. However, it would have been a very weird twist if the Protoss, who have nothing else to lose, Jim Raynor, who is a wanted criminal by the dominion, the main Terran government, would prefer to work together with the UED rather than have to struggle with the everything else later on. However, if that did happen, we wouldn't have that much of a story, because UED would just win, the story would end, and everyone would live unhappily ever after under the UED's heel.

[@Thomas-vg3bb]

Well, yes, but... What guarantee does Raynor have that the UED will work with him? He is allied with the Protoss (which the UED considers public enemy no 1) and if the UED can execute an emperor what would stop them from killing off a rebel commander? You have to recall (pun intended) that the UED considers themselves better than the Korprulu Terrans - they are testing the Zerg against terran outposts in the very intro!

[@Noplayster13]

@@Thomas-vg3bb The question isn’t whether Jim would join with the UED (he wouldn’t since they are totalitarians). The question is why he would ever even consider rescuing and working with Mengsk against them.

[@Vanderyn]

@Noplayster13 That's all nice, but none of this is present in the actual game. From the perspective of the player, the UED is a human force, made up of normal men and honorable officers, that aims to overthrow a tyrranical monarchy and subdue the greatest threat to humanity. No wonder people rooted for them.

[@Noplayster13]

@@Vanderyn It might have been a while since you played through the game. It’s never outright stated, you’re right, but it’s implied strongly all throughout the campaigns. The opening cinematic implies very strongly just what kind of people the UED is made up of. Rewatch it and you’ll remember. At the end of the UED campaign, they broadcast a propaganda video which is all lies and would 1984 blush. When Raynor asks Kerrigan why he should work with her and Mengsk, all she says is, “You know the history of Earth… they’ll enslave us all.” …and then he, the best, most righteous man in the whole series, *agrees to get the Zerg and Mengsk back on their feet* in order to avoid their control. That’s some VERY heavy implication to the player that the history (and present) of Earth is *BAD.* Are they worse though than the other Terran factions? Maybe not, but to Jim, they are the ultimate evil.

[@zeroinfinity9189]

That third Wraith was like, "Nope.. Fuck this shit, I don't get paid enough to die!"

[@danhair]

I hate. Absolutely hate how Starcraft 2 pretends like Brood War never happened.

[@johndoe-ek1qs]

Mentions brood war very early on in a unn newscast.

[@Noplayster13]

It was a massive tone shift and neutered most of the characters. I was pretty young when I played Brood War and so I didn’t realize what a massive downgrade SC2 was in terms of writing. Only having rewatched the whole story did I realize.

[@trisertricordoh2127]

There are characters and events that aare Brood War relient and are mentioned. Fenix's second death is in Brood War, Stukov, the terran/Zerg hybrid you meet in Heart of the Swarm, is from the UED. Heck the scientist that ends up being Amon's lacky, that also is a known shapeshifter, is introduced in Brood War. And there is a secret level in the Protoss campaign that hints at an ememy type that is in SC2, the Hybrid, but that secret level is a bitch to unlock unlike the secret level in Wings of Liberty.

[@samuraizerro]

I typically hate these situations, where the bad guy is defeated and right before you nab them they magically f*ckin teleport to safety. Illogical and lazy writing, but happens in games/shows all the time. This however - with the protoss showing up - might be the only time where I thought to myself, "You know, that makes sense. Understandable, have a good day."

[@masterexploder9668]

Protoss have the tech to back it up, it didn't come out of nowhere and UED was right on their heels so it's not like they managed to get far away. UED would totally get them, if Duran didn't betray them and allowed zerg to swarm their positions from the flanks. In the ensuing chaos, Raynor and Mengsk managed to slip away.

[@Thomas-vg3bb]

@@masterexploder9668 Yeah this was never in question to me - in the very next mission the UED has caught up and the Protoss are forced to deploy their forces in order to slow them down just in time for Duran to get the Zerg into position. It's not a perfect getaway - more like a desperate corridor chase with the protagonist escaping with graced shoulders and a bullet in his leg.

[@GreatHipHop12345]

tfw when the beat drops and Raynor shows up :^)

[@gridemann]

‘citizen’ Mengsk... I'll never forget that line

[@thederp6505]

I love the adjutant, if I ran a military I'd want an adjutant like her :D

[@showmethemoney8583]

man raynor and protoss was the coolest collab ever back then

[@kevanchong4082]

one of the captains (wraiths) went away in fear of the approaching hyperion

[@Peyrak]

Why the Hell did Raynor fight against UED and allied himself with Mengsk?

[@Peyrak]

Yes, UED werent really bad guys, on the other hand Mengsk and Kerrigan were much much worse. So if UED gained power, would it have been really so bad ?

[@andyberry2025]

The UED was very much a totalitarian regime, if you look at the history of the United Powers League Story in the book its tells you how Nasty the guys running the government really were. They changed their name to the UED once the zerg and protoss were discovered. Kerrigan knew the UED were a major threat to her, due to their mission to enslave the zerg and use them to pacify the protoss. I think Stukov out of all of the UED Characters was the only one who really saw the bigger picture and Kerrigan respected him allot more then She did Admiral Du Gaulle.

[@andyberry2025]

I think Stukov was more against the idea of using the zerg to achive victory, then Du Gaulle was since in the Intro it was Dugalle who forced Stukov to watch the zerg devour a colony.

[@Romeo1-1]

+Andy Berry yes indeed, that's why Stukov earned Kerringan's respect

[@davekent6023]

the UED came from Earth, you should all root for them

[@anonnimoose7987]

Raynor: Sorry but this shit is mine. And Kerrigan's

[@Hellion6325]

There's a typo in the subtitles lol. "Recieving" incoming transmission

[@smoati9ap309]

SC2 did have many epic, heroic, badass scenes - but only SC1 had scenes and plots where you didn't know who to root for. You gotta scream at this moment - what are you doing? you have a common enemy! You are all terrans, ffs! But Dugalle is full of pride, Mengsk is full of shit, and Raynor is full of bravado, which serves them ALL bad. Great characters and arc, great game, great memories

[@zqfmgb4335]

Wait a second, Mengsk betrayed Kerrigan, let civilians die and conquered the Koprulu sector, yet Raynor saves him from some guys who just want to secure the sector because the sadistic leader of the Zerg told him they are dangerous ? And he's supposed to be a good guy ?

[@apersistentgunman4055]

UED = Soviet Russians from Space

[@medianxx4687]

Cause fuck Russia!

[@masterexploder9668]

I thought it was an awesome "unholy alliance". It happened again in Wings of Liberty when Raynor joined forces with Dominion to conquer Char and defeat Kerrigan.

[@Frank_144]

@k10a06p2000 sure? They're more on the totalitarian establishment, remember where they came from, and remember that the guy who sent them were basically the government of the planet Earth. So, pretty much totalitarian and full establishment

[@xxlCortez]

Well, what would you do if Russia would want to take control your country, while planning to control a vicious alien race as well? As bad Mengsk and Kerrigan are, they are at least weak enough to hope an overthrow.

[@vasilyselivantsev4451]

3 biggest-ass battlecruisers in one scene. Golden

[@TankieBoi]

1:27 I like how the wraith backs 2 inches away and stops without turning back

[@SOMELOAF]

Dam I love the music! when it builds up at 1:02

[@haj8579]

I liked the story of WoL(thanks to Tychus, not Raynor) but Raynor looks like a psycopath when he blames Mengsk's tyranny without a single scene of regret about this.

[@dayuwu2992]

ha J why would he? If he didn't save mengsk here, kerrigan doesn't get psi emitter, UED takes control of overmind and rules the sector, and raynor would either rot in jail or be executed.

[@HolyknightVader999]

Exactly. Jim Raynor saved Mengsk's ass here. The least Arcturus should have done is thank him and prepare against Kerrigan instead. A realpolitik kind of guy like Arcturus would have prepared more against real threats instead of chasing a has-been like Jim. He might have even allied with Jim to prepare against Kerrigan and the Zerg. But no, he has to be stupid evil in SCII.

[@combinecommando001]

@@HolyknightVader999 They destroyed his character in SC2, but I can somewhat see the reason why he would be so complacent, the Zerg hadn't been seen in years, I guess he assumed that the strength that his empire massed would be enough to fight off the Zerg, he was gravely mistaken.

[@masterexploder9668]

Raynor blames Mengsk, because he left Kerrigan (and troops under her command, everyone forgets about poor nobodies!) on Tarsonis. This opened her infestation, which led to lots of dead people and dead Fenix. Actually Raynor and Mengsk allied to stop Kerrigan - invasion on Char, Wings of Liberty. Though it was more a deal with Valerian, but I guess Arcturus greenlighted the whole thing. @Takedrugskillabear He still got a Xel'Naga artifact with him in throne room, he would kill Kerrigan with it, if he didn't stop to gloat like a Saturday Morning Villain.

[@virgiljianu7166]

@@masterexploder9668 Arcturus didn't know what Valerian was going to do, though. The conversation they have before the start of the first Char mission makes this very clear. This is also why Valerian basically becomes a fugitive (aside from also helping Jim with getting Kerrigan back as close to a human as possible) before Kerrigan finally kills Mengsk.

[@weirdwolf8009]

Dialog is so much better than in SC2, sc2 is wc3 in space.

[@PeterParker-yg6fc]

don't do wc3 dirty like that

[@carljeromecarlos9501]

I love how youtube recommends me this video to me

[@RecoveringLoLAddict]

THE SCREEN TEARING OMFG

[@daffamustafa]

I like the diplomatic words they use on those terran upper ups

[@homunculusrex9396]

Parley

[@mikemcmahon3118]

This is so badass

[@mini2239]

I'm sorry why is everyone here's complaining about SC2's story line here, whilst they just ignoring the massive plot hole in this scene. That plot hole for those who haven't noticed yet is the fact that the UED haven't done anything wrong. They've literally come to the sector, dethroned Mensk a known tyrant and pushed the psychopathic zerg to the point of never being a threat again. Yet Raynor seeing this becomes all afraid for no reason that he's willing to ally with Kerrigan and save Mensk for no reason. Anyone got a solution as to how to swallow this, and don't try and say that Kerrigan warned Raynor that she knew what they were capable off. Since when has she been trustworthy?

[@apersistentgunman4055]

The UED are like Soviet Russians From Space in this universe. If Raynor were to side with Kerrigan despite who she is...then it's safe to assume that the UED is probably worse.

[@mini2239]

We don't know that from the game, so it's still a plot hole. Yes I've heard that was in the manual, but not everyone who played the game read the manual. And is therefore poorly written into the story

[@Doomlovesearth2]

I agree with you, even though the UED are supposed to be villains, I found myself rooting for them since they never actually attacked any of the good guys until raynor came in.

[@Anteo4ever]

One of the earlier zerg missions has Kerrigan tell Raynor how the UED plan doenst stop with controlling the Zerg. And Raynor doenst disagree. The excuse is weak but i wouldnt consider it a plot hole

[@HolyknightVader999]

The UED is a successor state to the UPL, and by all accounts, the UPL is a tyrannical government.

[@domasbaliulis23]

before: "you'll have to postpone these plans, gentlemen." now: "change of plans."

[@superZvegetto]

3 hero battlecruisers all at once, badass ~

[@Altermerea]

Why is this video shaking and disrupting like it's a hologram?

[@MrNintoku]

I miss the Wraith. Its removal in SC2 I feel was wrong.

[@flavorgod]

It was severely underused unit anyway which only had situational uses.

[@hello_world704]

Banshee was way more useful.

[@Burt1038]

LOL the Wraith was/is a horrible unit. Gets bodied by literally anything that can shoot at it. Seriously, even a hydralisk will kill it 1 on 1 despite the much, much higher cost. The only good thing about the wraith (cloak) was rendered pretty useless by the abundance of detection in SC1; it's only use is against total noobs who forgot to make observers or comsat stations. As an aside, it was completely asinine that the Wraith was classified as a "heavy" unit, despite having zero armor and relatively low hp. This means it took full damage against every opponent except ghosts, whereas its closest analogues were either considered light (mutas) or had armor and much more hp (scouts). Sorry about the rant...as you can probably tell I have some long-standing issues with Brood War I haven't come to terms with.

[@flavorgod]

@@Burt1038 To be fair pros have been using it vs Zerg and vs Terran in newer maps. Still not great though.

[@karpai5427]

@@Burt1038 yeah but scout is even worse. It cost 3 psi and takes forever to build and it is as fast as other flying units only after 200m 200vg upgrade. When you already can build carriers instead. What were they thinking?

[@thekkl]

They made the story so stupid in SCII.

[@simonhuuskristensen4736]

+Matthew Helm It was definately a lot better and more complex in the original, but I like Starcraft II anyways...

[@meathead6155]

+Simon Huus Kristensen Me to I don't hate starcraft 2 anymore. Ha the man who crowned himself as an Emperor.

[@Exotic_Tofu]

yeah its total shit.

[@meathead6155]

Well not all of them. BEside, I never hate Starcraft 2 anymore.

[@6889general]

Wings of LIberty is fine, HOTS is decent but LOTV is totally shit i think. It is like typical Holywood propaganda movie, they make a villain Amon GOD and everyone fight for freedom, fucking this bullshit. I like the story full of politics.

[@pg9193]

I like how in the original SC, Jim Raynor was a pudgy bald guy you would see driving his 1999 beige Saturn SL to a Dave Matthews Band concert. In SC2 he somehow de-aged and became a hunky stud and it's weird..

[@joseignaciolopez4380]

I like the old portraits so much more

[@MrTurcosOtomanos]

Plot hole I disliked the most in Brood War had nothing to do with the UED. But how Kerrigan, having imprisioned Arcturus, let him free but seconds later betray everyone and kills Edmund Duke and Phoenix. Like? Why not? kill? Arcturus too? IMHO just a way to not shortening the story. Not reason for Kerrigan not to kill Arcturus when she had her chance, she could have pretty much destroyed the whole terran government, thus leaving the Zergs as perhaps the dominant race in the sector.

[@rookie564]

SC1's characterization of Kerrigan makes her out to be an extremely vindictive person. What she wanted to do was to put Arcturus under her figurative heel knowing that at any time she could come and wipe him and his trashed dominion. To do this she kills Edmund Duke who she believes is the one that's putting in the footwork for enforcing and training the armies of Mengsk's Dominion. By killing Duke, Mengsk is extremely vulnerable for a while until he can find a replacement, finding people qualified as well as loyal to handle the formation and training of your multi-planet military is difficult. His Dominion is also trashed two times over by the end of Brood War and it's only by author retcon that Korhal is a prosperous core planet of humanity in SC2 despite being a nuclear wasteland in SC1. She does something similar to Zeratul by letting him live, taking great pleasure in seeing Zeratul tarnish his honor by killing his matriarch by his own hand, despite Zeratul being one of the few people in the universe who could actually kill her one on one. Fenix' death is a bit out there, but it seemed more to cut the links Raynor had to the Protoss fleet since she didn't want to kill Raynor himself. Kerrigan admits that Raynor and Fenix are extremely resourceful. Raynor is a brilliant commander and leader but he has so much bad publicity to the eyes of the rest of humanity thanks to Arcturus that he can't resupply or fund his rebel group. If he still has Fenix with him he can tap into the some of the Protoss forces thanks to Fenix's influence as an extremely popular war hero with personal connections to Artanis who ends up leading the surviving Protoss by the end of Brood War because of his retconned achievements as the player character in SC1.

[@MrTurcosOtomanos]

@@rookie564 Well, first of all, thank you for putting the time to write, and to think too, all that. Tbh, it's something that bugged me a lot after playing Brood War, which I only had chance after playing Wings of Liberty. In chronological order, I played the Star Craft games like this: SC1, WoL, Brood War, HotS. I believe this to be an error from my part, but story is told a lot of times during the games, so I didn't really missed something, counting that the Brood War campaign is not too major in the events of SC2 (the Earth Directorate is almost forgotten lol). Kerrigan's doings in Brood War seemed like wtf to me, but I assume Kerrigan has more depth of character than I imagined, after all. Not sure if your comment here is actually canon or just overthinking the SC storyline and characters, but at least can help dealing with Kerrigan lol.

[@xxlCortez]

Kerrigan thought killing Mengsk would be quick. She explained that she wanted him alive to see the results of his decision aka leaving her to the zerg while humiliating him at every turn.

[@MrTurcosOtomanos]

@@xxlCortez Of course it would be quick, but also effective. There would be no more terran government after both UED and Arcturus dies. Thx for your comment though. Where did you take this from?

[@xxlCortez]

@@MrTurcosOtomanos Kerrigan didn't want to be effective, it was an emotional decision. After crippling Arcturus, he was just a plaything for her to torment. What do you mean where did I take it from?

[@Darkstar.....]

I bet raynor regrets.

[@skchanneles]

for sure UED are the best terran race ever existed, Menks and Raynor means nothing compared with the real Terran race.

[@homunculusrex9396]

ah, a man of culture i see

[@Maryanchyk]

StarCraft is basically a soap opera in space

[@zhess4096]

It is a space opera

[@etherdeef4303]

I wouldve loved a stukov campaign in sc2, stealthing around and undermining duran

[@JetChoong920515]

Recieving incoming transmission :)

[@mrdonutsxyz753]

Luego le peso su decisión de salvar a mengsk al jimy

[@reaperqnu]

Dugalle and Mengsk have the same voice actor :)

[@MrShirial]

Jimmy shouldnt have rescued mengsk

[@aaronsalentine7876]

Yea, big mistake it was.

[@Noplayster13]

It seems likely to me that the reason for it was cultural bias. Jim and everyone else in the sector are descendants of the “undesirables” that were shipped off to die somewhere in space by the UED. Jim considers them worse than Arcturus because he’s been taught that they were the worst people ever (which isn’t necessarily wrong). Thus, It’d be like if the Nazis had shipped off some of the Jews into space, only for a Nazi fleet to show up there a few hundred years later.

[@strider8662]

@@Noplayster13 its not nessesarily that but also the fact that once UED would settle, they simply cant overthrow them. Thats their only option to stop them while they can deal with Mengsk later on.

[@Noplayster13]

@@strider8662 I think both are true. If Jim wasn’t already convinced that they were every bit as bad as Arcturus, he wouldn’t be worried about whether he could overthrow them.

[@AdamSelvig]

Are the voice actors the same in Starcraft 2

[@dimbasz]

Raynor and Mengsk are the same actors, Kerrigan and Sukov were recasted. Kerrigan is voiced by Tricia Helfer now, an actress who basicaly is the main Sci-Fi waifu of the last two decades - just look at her roles in tv series and games)

[@5sos-dontstopthevamps-rest679]

I miss ued in sc ll

[@agnesakne4409]

I wish to parlay with your executive officer at once

[@shawnrichards8865]

For brood war missions should you build a lot more strong units like Goliaths battle cruisers for more tough missions

[@Losrandir]

Yes.

[@shawnrichards8865]

@@Losrandir I heard that the mass recall versions are a bit more hard since it’s a bit different where random units come in

[@shawnrichards8865]

@@Losrandir what’s the best thing to start with building if you do this mission against ghosts and not battle cruisers to quickly get detection for all ghosts at range to nuke the base

[@PeterParker-yg6fc]

@@shawnrichards8865 letting the outer bases fall and consolidating seems to work pretty well while you get sci vessels and turrets up

[@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg]

This is intolerable! ... or using my own words: *I am... very... DISAPPOINTED!* :D

[@fieldy409]

Zero stones, ZERO CRATES!

[@IcedEarth426]

And if there is one thing I do not like...it is to be...disappointed.

[@jacksontaylor290]

Darn shame they didn't put the UED in SC2.

[@5sos-dontstopthevamps-rest679]

I want ued in sc 2

[@maxvonkrieger9432]

How you made this mission ?

[@Kn-rw7ky]

This 5 terran mission in StarCraft brood war

[@tacticianmatt3791]

What even is this map???

[@tomascostanzo3673]

They did that because they had to make the game longer

[@Tonoroku]

I would have loved to see what raynor's did after saving Arcturus ass's

[@hrescumihai3900]

What is the name of this mission?

[@jakubkrchnak5172]

Emperor’s Fall if im not mistaken

[@PeterParker-yg6fc]

Seige of Korhal

[@TheOmegaAlfa]

Lol typo

[@jacobweatherford4696]

Well since activision owns blizzard and microsoft owns activision i say they restart the starcraft ghost project and make the game finally with some plot stuff changed so the game works ofcourse.

[@isaacvega9683]

Great turnover of history 😮😮😮😮

[@attilatoth7797]

It is in a SC addon, or what? Not remember this scene

[@trisertricordoh2127]

Starcraft: Brood War, it is an expanision add-on for the first game that extends the story a bit. It also adds a lot of lore, and this scene is one of the reasons why Mensk hate Raynor, well besides the fact that Raynor joined up with the Protoss for a little while.

[@homunculusrex9396]

imagine playing SC but not BW . .

[@skchanneles]

So the real heroes were Stukov and Dugalle since they came from Earth to restore the lost power in Korthal and other galaxies? Or they should be destroyed since their were being helped by Durand and had influence in their technology and experiments?

[@dimbasz]

There are no real heroes in SC1 and Brood War. Even Jimmy while being a wholesome good guy does have his own agenda in all this. UED expedition was indeed sent to bring Koprulu colonies under Earth rule so Dugalle and Stukov showed zero tolerance to the locals, their campaign is called "Iron fist" for a reason.

[@skchanneles]

@@dimbasz But, at the end were the terrans destinied to rule over every sector because they were the raze capable of surpass and adapt to everthing and since that Stukov and Dugalle are destined to pacify and claim the sector in name of terrans from earth so they are the real heroes (Also there is no explain for not having them in sc2).

[@LunaPPK]

they are not even close to the real hero's lol

[@hikari2752]

@@LunaPPK how come? Both admirals are just fighting for honor, justice and freedom. Give me a single huge villainous act they committed for them not to be heroes.

[@krassilverfang5504]

So much better story telling with these simple dialogue sequences within the game engine than the cheesy Hollywood shit they pulled off for SC2

[@OverLorD768]

Oh, fuck off.

[@OverLorD768]

And I should care about what a dead dude saying because...? Seriously. You've got fucked up by a goddamn kid, and you expect me to take you and your opinion seriously? Piss off, looser!

[@OverLorD768]

Said a guy named after dead gay game character.

[@coolguy02536]

lol look who's talking.

[@articxunodorseggnej8016]

Why raynor save this guy? Didn’t he leave his girlfriend to the Zerg

[@maxvonkrieger9432]

But this mission is not at the SC ORIGINAL and its not at SC BROOD WAR.

[@Kn-rw7ky]

This 5 terran mission in StarCraft brood war

[@user-cg5ze2tb6c]

1:20

[@sigfartsigfart7906]

Back when raynor is a major simp. His choice of lesser evil baffles me. He know mengsk is an ass but he knows nothing of the UED agenda. Then he just go and decided to side with kerrigan lmao which is even worse than mengsk. But i guess thats what makes sc bw character interesting.

[@dimbasz]

Everyone trows shit at SC2 plot, but this moment is ridiculous. To save Mengsk for freaking what? He just lost his army, fleet, almost everything but a small group of high-ranked officers and those psi-emitters which kinda useless at this moment. By rescuing him Raynor and Fenix(!!!) uncovered Aiur's location to the UED and brought it just there.

[@sumerian88]

He was rescued because Kerrigan wanted him to be rescued. She noticed the UED was crushing resistance in the sector, and anticipated their conquest of it. So she planned ahead and rallied allies to her cause to prepare for a counter-attack. Mengsk had the Psi Emitters, and she figured they might be useful judging by the UED's Overmind enslaving agenda.

[@vynonyoutube1418]

Because of Mengsk's knowledge of the Zerg-control technology and now-captured Dominion territory. Plus, Raynor would rather ally with Arcturus than the UED (Kerrigan mentions in one of the Chapter VI briefings that Raynor knows what the UED are capable of and that they must be stopped), despite how much he hates him.

[@dustinjones7458]

At the time, the Protoss/Raynor were allied with Kerrigan, because they believed the UED was a greater threat. Kerrigan directly asked Raynor to do this, ostensibly the only reason being, to gain access to the psi-emitters she needed to keep control of her swarm. In truth, given what we know from SC2, she also wanted to keep Mengsk alive so she could kill him herself. The whole story in Brood War is about how Kerrigan managed to manipulate multiple factions (all of which were her enemies) into destroying her *other* enemies, and then betrayed them all, and ended up as Queen of Blades.

[@yosefyonin6824]

fio jones nope still makes no fucking sense. how could the UED possibly be worse than the dominion? why would raynor ally with the dominion which he despised and had personal vebdetta against?? why the fuck did kerrigan betray the protoss when they had nothing against her???

[@masterexploder9668]

Kerrigan betrayed her allies in True Colors scenario because they outlived their usefulness, but were too dangerous to just let them walk away without injury. Mengsk relied on strategic military prowess of Duke so she killed him and dealt heavy losses to Dominion's army. She didn't kill Mengsk as a cruel mercy - same case as Zeratul. However Protoss - they are powerful enemies, and her dialogue with Fenix suggests she is still salty about Tassadar making her look like a total fool.

[@s.s.9223]

Y no necesitaba toda la puta recreacion de SC2

[@user-mm3vv5he9f]

fucking Raynor messed up everything. why did he have to save Mengsk here? i dont get it

[@zes3813]

no such thing as mistake or not or so about it. do /say anyx nmw,

[@alexandruv.3390]

Whoever sees no problem in the Protoss, Raynor, Kerrigan, Mengsk Alliance against the UED has no right to complain about the 3-way alliance against Amon.

[@_Muzolf]

Were there really people complaining about that? As far as i saw, it was SC2-s subpar writing that people had an issue with. Especially Heart of the Swarm, where Kerrigan is treated like the designated hero, but it just does not works well with her actions and the situation.

[@Noplayster13]

@@_Muzolf I don’t think the writers wanted Sarah to come across as heroic in HOTS. Her entire motivation is selfish and she’s willing to sacrifice countless lives for her revenge. It was only in the last few missions that she has a change of heart and decides to go easy on the Dominion’s citizens. Of course, that’s only because she found out that Jim was alive. So she has a character arc which continues into LOTV. I won’t say that it was well done, of course.

[@_Muzolf]

@@Noplayster13 Maybe they didn't, maybe they did. The part where Valerian complains about evacuation of civilians on Korhal and she does end up letting him do it leans heavily on the did part, as does her moment with general Warfield. And those are spotlighted enough to be an obvious attempt at trying to make her look like the hero, problem is, the game casually mentions her ordering her broodmothers to destroy entire worlds. I don't think the makers really think those trough.

[@Noplayster13]

@@_Muzolf She’s not meant to come across as a hero though. She’s meant to come across as morally ambiguous. Letting the Korhal civilians go is part of her character arc. The moment with Warfield was only meant to show that she still has some humanity left within her. Killing the Protoss colonists was, in her mind, self defense. It’s unknown whether that planet was inhabited by any significant civilian population. Given her personality, it was likely a military target (bases, factories, anchorages, etc.). She didn’t want a fleet to show up behind her when she was landing everything on Korhal. Still probably killed a lot of civilians there though. She gradually *becomes* heroic starting near the end of HOTS and then on into LOTV. She starts as a villain, becomes a morally conflicted person out for revenge, and then “dies” a hero. It’s a pretty classic character arc.

[@_Muzolf]

@@Noplayster13 Well, i guess that works. For me the problem was, i pretty much lost interest in the story by the time it got to that. The fact that i hated how her relationship with Jim was presented as if Brood Wars never happened, did not help either.

[@DefaultDerrick]

I watch this for political inspiration.

[@-rage-blackout9145]

Why did he save Mengsk? Stupidity!