Review: Sony 800TVL Effio-V FPV camera (part 2)

[@metalldanny]

I tested the Effio to .. but i sold it again after 1minute !!!!! the latency is to much for me .. and i dont like to much colors in a forest .. the Trees are disappear into the colors of the ground :( ## Thank you for mention me in your show Bruce :) (what a Honer) ## love your Shows

[@BlackoutTheDrunk]

You deserve it Danny :D

[@metalldanny]

BlackoutTheDrunk Thanks for al your Help !!!!!!

[@Hans_Ham]

metalldanny So.. what is the absolute best (racing) camera to your opinion?

[@metalldanny]

Hans Ham Sony SuperHad 600TVL :)

[@TheStickyBusiness]

metalldanny an with which lens? 2.1 , 2.8 or 3.7?

[@BorisBnow]

hehe..... Getting famous on the other side of the world :). I still like the effio on my cruising quad where I want to enjoy the scenery, but for the adrenaline stuff sony is the winner :). I am jaelous to that weather you have there :). that was sone smooth flying by the way. And not to forget Happy new year!

[@lasersbee]

Wow... just saw your latest video in the garage... What Sony camera model are you using on the quads to fly at that speed ??? And a Happy New Year from Canada to all that read these comments on Bruce's channel.

[@BorisBnow]

that was all on the sony 600tvl pz0420. I use the effio on my b330 where I do less close range proximity with.

[@lasersbee]

Boris B. Thanks Boris B. ;)

[@RCandFPVJonathanNL]

Groeten van uit Drenthe! :)

[@BlackoutTheDrunk]

Great work mate :D

[@808GT]

Thank you Bruce, looking forward to part 3. There is nobody who has such knowledge on electronics, points out the possible issues with it in respect to RC and FPV and shares it on KZbin. Awesome.

[@Cyberdactyl]

I agree totally Bruce. I fell for the "greatness" of the Effio-V and bought one. I too did not notice anything close to the 1.8X price increase.

[@iamthesilentkiller]

Yes part 2! Great video as always.

[@Psi105]

yeah, tweak the settings, the effio-V can look miles better than that. It really can look awesome. Might be a good idea to keep an eye on the latency as you play with the settings. I seem to remember an option that made the latency worse/better. Probably adjust the DSP pipeline length for extra processing time or something. If i have time i will post my current effio-V settings here.

[@m00st]

You van get the video connector on the top by using the flip option in the menu. That way, the connector is not in the way for tilting the camera.

[@899195]

Hi Maarten, a sweed here and noob :-) on this with cams. Have just order a FatShark 700 tvl and what program do you use to config your cams ?

[@bensuhard]

Sören von Perner The "sony super had" cameras usually come with a menu switch, it may not be an option with the Fatshark.

[@899195]

bensuhard ok thats bad :-), is it any workaround ?

[@bensuhard]

Sören von Perner Guessing the fatshark should be set up pretty well already. You could buy a Sony to compare or as a spare in case of a crash. If you do, get at least a 2.8mm lens for wider view, I like the 2.1mm extra wide lens. The Sony (Super Had 2) is really good for low light viewing, vets recommend setting it to color only, or black & white only, otherwise it'll switch between the two(on auto) when you go from light to dark and vice versa.

[@899195]

Thanks bensuhard ! Going for it after test the FatShark. Thanks again.

[@rctv-uk3126]

Great test Bruce I am using a E700-PUB at the moment and I am loving that! Looking forward to seeing you fly in part three too ATB Malc Team Nana UK Division

[@BlackoutTheDrunk]

I can confirm the extra latency, but you really only notice the difference when you are trying to do fast and low flying

[@heyudude]

And fast/low is the way I like it the most! But for colour and detail this is still a good cam!

[@ProofBenny]

and fast and low is what the mini H quad is for ! I bought the cam from the recommendation from your website , might want to change it hey ?

[@blackmennewstyle]

The images look more dark but the details are pretty huge :)

[@UrTRaBBiTT]

Great review. The latency kills this camera for me. I wouldn't get 1. mhho

[@anthonyrstrawbridge]

My understanding is that were attempting to capture in 1) as near as possible an unimpeded real time vision 2) accurate in color rendition but 3) slightly wider field of view image. We are also trying to 4) process and transmit the aforementioned back to a monitor. All of this needs to 5) fit properly in dimension and mass. I'm certainly missing a few things but generally I'm assuming that we do all of this to pilot the aircraft. I also assume that we adhere to what is readily available at a predetermined expectation of cost or funds. And this is where I make a departure from the mission. While video is readily available and is being adapted to piloting I question if video is worthy of pursuit and the mission becomes redefined to me. I wonder if the piloting mission is to 1) Perceive obstacles 2) determine distance and time to obstacles 3) determine dimensions of obstacles 4) determine density of obstacles 5) observe clear zones unimpeded by any of the aforementioned 6) perceive depth and width of all of the aforementioned with perception greater than real time and being equal to the aircraft speed combined with closure rate and reaction time and obstacle movement by a minimum of 1x. When we think about the Bat and his amazing ability to avoid and also hone in on any given obstacle were reminded of radar, sonar, and thermal imaging. I wonder if processing data isn't reduced by only looking at densities, reflections, and heat signals greater than our unimpeded environment and particular aircraft durability. If so, accomplishing a very comprehensive detailed environment surrounding the flight path might be quite beneficial and simpler than processing an accurate ( Eye Image )image in real time. Knowing the density of objects behind other objects really would provide increased opportunities for the flight path and will always be advantageous in respect to moving objects as opposed to the virtual 3d models and gps navigation currently so cherished by the best developers adhering to simple terrain objectives. Me thinks.

[@JohnFHendry]

See... 1:40.... I knew that would happen. This latency issue is just as bad in some situations for surveillance cameras as well where real time reflex reactions are important. Too bad the new 700 with 2090 chip has issues with OSD's and UFH noise... the question is can the issues be fixed because some are reporting it to be quite an improvement over the 600 with the 2040 chip with no latency. Also I'd like to see a PAL vs NTSC demo as for 1.3 video (vs 5.8) PAL seems like it might be a good way to go over NTSC but I might have it backwards so that's another test to get some facts nailed down. Another excellent video saying it like it is..... no wonder some people get upset;-)

[@Rchacker]

Nice flying Bruce, can you see powerlines? I know with my old superHAD I have no chance.

[@Toysrme]

You know a year or two ago I told you the best way to test latency. You blew it off telling me nobody cared about latency. #justsayin. ;) love u bruce. lol! Are you sure you dont have a clone? I've been flying the 600-900tvl line sony's and they all have the same frame tests unless you turn on a lot of options for static scenes like AWB/AGC/HDR/etc, at which point they all lag a frame or three depending.

[@Toysrme]

^I will say this too, the Effio-S's are better than the V's. I fly a lot of Sony 960H's (700tvl effio-S) and they are fantastic.

[@midas_9648]

great review Bruce.. :) little off topic - apparently there is a problem with GPS receivers and interference from frsky X8R. seen that discussed at rcgroups.. maybe you could test it in the future ? :)

[@tonyd520]

Bruce you keep surprising me these days. For fpv of course latency is a deal breaker. I am really surprised by your comments.

[@LukaArtelj]

hi Bruce it is january i think you should hang up a new calendar you got (on 9.dec weekly news) :)

[@xjet]

Luka Artelj Correct... forgot about that, thanks for the reminder!

[@oliverg98]

Bruice....i like your channel i really do bit can you go back and do pt2 reviews on things such as the Hitec aroura 9 and the taft viper jet!! just a thought?

[@WarblesOnALot]

G'day Bruce, I cannae rresissst...; "If only you'd got a Round Tuit, if only you'd had a SunFoil already atop thy Fire Chariot, thou could'st have already Bin-Upcharged, while still at the Park, and never needing to come back for any no more Coalfired Electrickities...!" It's scary that such lovely stuff sells for so little...; this here Anthropocene is beginning as a very decadent time, but one wonders how long it will last before we all have to go back to shaping our own Boomerangs if we want to fly anything at all...? ;-p Ciao !

[@sparrowlt]

After accidentally frying my 600 i got an Effio-V with 2.1 lens and so far its pretty good.. tought i had to dig into settings to boost colors , sharpness and light handling (mine by default did black masks in the sun and bright reflections/lights) BTW.. for some reason mine doesnt seem to have any latency (that i can see in the screen) .. :-/

[@jesondag]

Maybe it's just me, but the Effio-V looked much worst.

[@xjet]

jesondag That's just with the stock settings, I'll be tweaking them to get best performance.

[@tuner25]

I guess this is just because the 600tvl has way higher saturation and contrast!

[@hughhemington9559]

The 800TVL cam image looks more "true", but I think the Super HAD gives you more of what you need to fly.

[@daggad02]

The Effio-V is far superior the 600TVL in image quality. I use it for my level of quad racing as well and I have never knew or noticed the latency either. But that does not mean it could affect better racing pilots like Bruce said in the video. But I also feel Bruce is all about quads these days..put the Effio on an airplane and see how much sharper the image is compared to the 600TVL. And the color saturation needs to be turned up quite a bit to make it really shine.

[@donwood7700]

Bruce, Another great job! How does one power this camera? Thanks, Don

[@xjet]

Don Wood It runs from 12V so you can power it directly from your 3S lipo, via a UBEC (if you're running more than 3S) or through the voltage regulator that some video transmitters offer.

[@Ryuuken24]

If you're flying close to the ground on manual, no sonar help, latency does matter, a lot. Rc model constantly crashes his racing quad, probably because latency, 100 - 120 ms.

[@mrkeb]

Legend Bruce - how far is Tokoroa from Middle Earth

[@MarceloAlcantaraX]

53km

[@mrkeb]

Wrong, sorry - I think the answer is zero

[@Trolleydolly130]

Hi there. What's s the advantage of having a 800tvl cam while the resolution of the (affordable) goggles is max 640x480?

[@OutbackKanga]

Its not just about resolution , the image tech and the chipset is all very much improved , so the result is very much improved video even on a lower res screen.

[@mstiborable]

Do anyone have starlight camera CC1564 and new Sony Super HAD HS1149F? I am interested in night performance and latency of these two and rolling shutter problem on starlight cam.

[@rc3drc]

Hi B I have asked this Q B4 why don't you use the Mobius as a FPV camera as you already carry it for recording video on the mini quads how much better is the Sony over the Mobius for fpv cheers

[@jameswil]

please give show video and give your opinion on its night quality? thats what im thinking of getting one of these cameras for to try night flying

[@ProofBenny]

I'm confused , some people say there is no latency and others say there is , could it be as simple as a setting ? Iv ordered mine as per the recommended by blackouts site for the mini h So why would he do that if it was no good for fpv racing ? Because of latency

[@GibbonFPV]

I knew for sure you would say metalldanny and boris b for the latency. so would you recommend the sony 600tvl for flying in forests? I'm still pretty slow at he moment but I'm speeding up gradually.

[@arsitama]

Are you going to review 1200TVL Sony 1.3Mega CMOS camera?

[@hughhemington9559]

How do you explain better results from 800TVL over 600TVL when the transmitter was only doing (I assume) 480 TVL? Do you feel the improvement was in the horizontal field? Or was it due to the DSP?

[@RichardBuckman]

What's the advantage to having 800TVL when this is above the transmission quality? I can see if it's connected to an on-board DVR, but does it make a difference after being transmitted? and when the goggles are likely lower quality anyways? (Unless you just have an LCD screen)

[@sitirahayumdyusof1447]

maybe he test fly sony effio v with the cheap ZMR 250 frame Miniquad

[@rasmusjensen3966]

can u try using them in low light Bruce?

[@extremeo99]

Hello, is the higher the TVL the better or is there draw backs from going to to high?

[@EnuffsEnuff318]

What camera settings are you using to get enough light in the sunset shadows? Mine seems too dark in the shadows. If I adjust brightness, then it's too bright in the lit areas.

[@MrGantzFan]

Bruce - Any idea what the impact of DNR is on latency under good lighting conditions? I had my DNR set to 5 when flying on a cloudy day and noticed substantial image ghosting. I'm going to reduce it to 1 or 2 and try again, but am curious whether or not you looked at this setting.

[@pokies100]

Nana no more Bruce. Flying like that into the sun will see a Star Wars hero of you and your swamp rats targeting will show you be be a princess Leigh-a hero. Latency is a killer. Better to fly blinded by the sun than to have crashed and to never know you have crashed till the next day.

[@kevinsraydatme]

where can I get a Sony 600 tvl camera? HK doesn`t seem to have it, right?

[@johneh87]

securitycamera2000.com

[@davidwhite6005]

Here is the 600tvl sony ccd camera $26 with 2.8mm lens: www.surveilzone.com/fpv/fpv-camera/sony-super-had-ccd-600tvl-fpv-ir-block-camera-2.8mm-lens

[@kevinsraydatme]

thank you very much. is 2.8mm lens a wide view? to get wider field, lower mm is better?

[@kevinsraydatme]

thank you

[@12377Bobo]

I thought you were still banned from flying?

[@iforce2d]

aha.... 'B' is for 'balls'?

[@RaymondSolo]

Very grainy and saturated looking. Not good at all.