HOW TO CHANGE THE SUPERCHARGER OIL ON A GM 3800 SERIES II V6

just a quick instructional video of how to properly change the supercharger oil on your 3800... some people say just to re-top off your supercharger, but many owners as well as a good number of master mechanics ive talked to about it that worked on these cars, they say to full out replace it by draining it and putting new oil in, simply because if you know anything about oil youd know that it breaks down over time especially because of heat and friction. new oil handles it better and keeps it properly lubricated and cooler temperature. old oil will be dirty, maybe burned, and possibly ineffective if broken down enough over time. which method you trust is up to you, im not saying either method is right or wrong, this one just makes more sense to me, therefore thats the one i do on my car so we made the instructional video for this, if you choose simply to top off your oil, do all the same steps just dont empty the old oil first.

[@bestaerialphotoscompany6268]

Great video. Several mechanics I talked to didn't even know the supercharger had a separate oil system.

[@rcrocker02]

nobody told me either but i looked up everything about the supercharger when i first got a gtp, to learn about the upgrades and maintenance and stuff. and i read about changing the supercharger oil which caught me off guard so i looked into it and then made this video.

[@redbuick]

I had a "ase", professional tell me when I first got my 98 regal that there was no oil to change.shame KZbin is more useful than so called pros.

[@adrianagarcia2549]

Lmao I’m a mechanic and I do know some mechanics here in Austin tx that told a couple of my clients that there is no maintenance on the supercharger. Over time the oil in the supercharger collects normal gear wear

[@syntronzremixx978]

Ase doesn't mean your a professional at all, I just got my electrical ase and I know jack shit about electrical, I'm just a good test taker 🤷‍♀️

[@mast3rmatteo]

13 years ago, yet this trick will live on forever. thank you for sharing and omg that stuff smells bad.

[@oscarvargas9146]

Just did it on my 06 grand pre GT took me 10 mins exactly how he explains in the video... nice work man good vid

[@FrankWalshVideo]

Thank you! Very well done. Simple, precise, and detailed enough for the everyday guy. Thank you for sharing.

[@kingjoserio]

By far the best instructional video on KZbin

[@kevinmoore1039]

First time having a supercharged glad I looked up my Riviera and now know that I have to change the oil in the supercharger thanks for the information 👍

[@joekelley7649]

Thanks for the great info. I asked a local lube shop if there was oil i needed to buy for that same engine and they were dumbfounded.. im sure they would of charged me an arm and a leg for something they had no idea how to do lol. Thank you for this great video

[@ggwhale]

Thanks for the great tutorial. My son was able to do the job safely on his 2000 ssei and without any spills. Your video was the trick. Thanks again.

[@josepacheco7755]

Good Video I appreciate the information changed my 2004 cobra supercharger oil. Never would of thought of a spray bottle to take oil out. Thanks again

[@claytonmoore8472]

Thanks for the video! Used it to change my oil in my GTP this morning, was a great help and you were very descriptive.

[@oldcad4534]

I drive a 1997 Buick Riviera that now has 445,000 kms on it and never touched supercharger oil since new. Will now attend to this, seeing how simple it is. My regular service manager at GM had told me changing this oil isn't necessary and not easily doable. I met another Riviera driver who told me what to do, so it's happening this afternoon. PS I still have the original battery in this car!

[@peter2023]

My 99 gtp supercharger loves yer vid thanks

[@N-Scale]

Thanks for taking the time to show this Richard. I will use this on my 98 Riviera. Thanks , Mike

[@skipsterger2213]

Nice

[@chalookinatmeefo4047]

Awesome video...I know this old but for those in the future attempting this put the oil cap back on...you don't want anything falling in the engine.

[@rcrocker02]

I hear putting fragments of metal in it can help really clean it out. Lol. I forgot to mention that cause i assumed people would know but i forget these days you actually gotta say that or people will let that happen

[@sellinsizzurp]

Thats why im glad my car came without the engine cover LOL

[@chads84z]

thank you for posting this. I'm buying a 98 riviera in a few days and I would have never known, and I know the lady that owns it has never done that.. thanks again!!!!

[@JVersh1]

Very good, informative video. I have a 99 Buick Ultra that I'm about to do this to. You made this job look super easy, and did so without stuttering and blathering on like so many of the douche bags that put out instructional videos. Nice job, sir.

[@rcrocker02]

we definitely try to keep things a bit more organized and easy to understand. some videos are all over the place and leave you so confused. i hateeeee videos like that. thanks for the comment!

[@funkindaguy1]

Great video, Richard. Many youtube how-to videos are shaky and the audio is terrible but your video was great. I will replace my oil today in my 3800SC conversion Fiero. You will save me a lot of time and money with this video. Thanks again!

[@rammy2012]

i thought this was a hard job but i see its very easy, thanks

[@Avaholic1977]

Awesome video man! I had a dealership wanting to charge $200-$300 for this! Thanks so much for helping me save some $$$!

[@rcrocker02]

yeah they take advantage of anything that people normally wouldnt know how to do even if its super easy. so they charge a buttload of money for something you can easily do yourself rather quickly for just a fraction of the cost. glad it could help man!

[@PostMasterDRich83]

Sweet vid man. My 2000 GTP has 174,000 miles on it and I have never done this (no problems with the super charger, thank god). I think I will contact the dealer tomorrow and get some gm super charger oil. I have been thinking about it for a while but I never knew how to do it. Thanks again.

[@anthroism26mc]

Awesome video! After using some ratchets and Allen adapters I got my stuck drain plug out and drained and filled my supercharger oil. Thanks so much!

[@retroelectrical]

Thanks for the video. It was the simplest thing I've ever fixed on the Impala, and I've fixed a lot of thing on that car! The used supercharger oil smelled like popcorn cheese concentrate. :) Really am amazed at how much better the supercharger runs now. Too bad most oil change places don't offer this service; they'll change just about everything else but the supercharger oil.

[@Dre-ib6si]

I just got one the other day and asked Valvoline could they do it or knew anything about it. And they just recommended high mileage oil change 😫 so here I am about to do it myself

[@rcrocker02]

@RYNORICHIE1 yeah, i was told by gm that to do things properly on the supercharger, you drain all of the old oil out, and then fill it up with fresh oil just to the edge of the hole, usually just a little bit left in the 2nd bottle doing that. thats coming from the gm service department in clearwater florida.

[@shawnrahm6254]

Smart man thank you I will carry this trick with me for the rest of my life

[@BloodyHatchetz]

I'm doing this soon ! I got a 99 Buick Riviera. Thanks so much

[@rcharne]

Great video! I own a total of 3 GTP's, plus 1 that was junked. I never knew that it is necessary to drain and replace the supercharger oil. I never did so on any of mine and I never had an issue with the snout. The snout is where the gears are located and thus they need gear oil (supercharger oil is just gear oil) but this gear oil lasts a very long time, about 150,000 miles or more. Now, I am not suggesting that anyone who wants to take great care of their boosted 3800 engine should not bother with changing the blower oil. It really does not cost much to do this (you can order SC oil online from Intense-Racing for $8.99 for 8 oz) But if you have not changed this oil at 150,000 miles and had no issues, or you are considering trading in or selling your Supercharged GM car, why bother now?

[@rcrocker02]

lol id rather do it considering how hard i drive my cars and i actually kept this car tool 156k miles and only got rid of it cause it got wrecked after someone cut me off. smashed the front a bit

[@tfaber9394]

My GM dealership parts guy never heard of supercharger oil. Nor did O'Reilys, Advance, or Autozone. I had to buy it online.

[@rcrocker02]

Been awhile since anything came from factory with a supercharger lol. Think since 08

[@zzzhuh]

AC Delco now sells the oil. Can't seem to find the "GM goodwrench" version anymore at local dealerships. It is the same 4 ounce bottle, but it is wide instead of a long bottle.

[@sbains560]

I love the spray bottle trick Thanks you

[@micthegreasemonkey2918]

followed your method worked out perfect! 8oz came out, 8oz went in. I used lucas oil it was a green color.

[@Bleachanna]

Only use supercharger oil...

[@NicoVersace]

I have the same super charged motor and have not changed the oil for it... Currently has 125000 miles on it.... Would the cone have a rattle from that ?

[@Zanelander]

It'd just eat the teeth off the gears.

[@rcrocker02]

a LOT of people didnt know you had to do this, i found out by luck a long time ago when i got my first supercharged car because a mechanic friend just happened to ask me if i had changed the oil yet, cause the car had just gotten about 30,000 miles on it. it should be fine theyre amazingly tough inside, just change it asap and yours will probably smell even worse than normal since its so old lol

[@stephenwolfram356]

Great instruction! There was a recall on my Regal GS for the engine cover causing fires. Don't need to put that plastic shit back on!

[@delray5582]

Year?

[@stephenwolfram356]

@@delray5582 Mine was a 1998

[@talito1312]

thank u sir, i just got a gtp a few days ago a friend told me i should check the supercharger oil but had no idea how thanks

[@robertcamargo2]

Cool video man. About to do this tomorrow.

[@sebszz91]

does the oil just make the turbines in the supercharger move better ?

[@yahvisionz]

I just got a 99 silver arrow riviera Buick and I had a regular 99 Buick before I cannot year the whistle noise I just got the car so ima change the super charger oil

[@rcrocker02]

Pull the intake off and see if you can hear it when you rev it hard. If you still don't hear it there's very likely an issue. If you do hear it then it's just the intake silencing it and you should get a cold air intake ASAP lol

[@rcrocker02]

Yah Visionz and make sure you put the intake back on not good to drive around with it off even with the cool sound

[@BassManBobBassCovers]

This is the best way no doubt!!!! Good video!

[@rcrocker02]

it lubricates them for smoother movement and it also keeps the supercharger from getting too hot.

[@jynxycats]

Fun fact, the used oil smells of death and rotten bird guts. Do NOT get any of it on your clothes, as a warning lol.

[@bryco32]

jynxycats I got this on my hands once. Nothing short of washing my hands in Gasoline would cut down the smell. It was like roadkill that sat in the sun for a few days x's eleventy billion..

[@vizeroe236]

+Deezildennis it smells exactly like 2 month old cheese.

[@bryco32]

I've ate 10 year old cheese that didn't smell as bad as this crud,

[@mrbungle931]

whats wrong with rotten bird guts

[@ramosjoe57]

Thank you, good clear simple instructions. My Buick Regal is due for a change.

[@Cottonwood121]

Awesome video, man! Gonna try this for the first time on a friends 03 GTP this weekend. Your vid makes it look like it'll be a cake-walk. Thanks a lot!!

[@nicoleg6579]

I have a 2000 Bonneville ssei and it looks more like a torx bit and not an allen key? if so any idea what size?

[@rcrocker02]

it should be fine, theres many people who are totally unaware of the need to change that oil and go over 100,000 miles without changing it. it just increases the wear and shortens the overall life of the supercharger if you wait too long.

[@teegray6158]

Extremely helpful and cost saving

[@rcrocker02]

hey sorry took so long, been really busy.. getting to the back bank of spark plugs just requires patience and some tools that give you a longer reach, your average tools usually wont be long enough unless you got really small hands, or know some trick to it that i dont know about. we just pulled my back ones out yesterday and we used basically a long narrow pair of round tipped pliers to grab the plug wire by the base to pull it out and a long spark plug socket with basically a joint in it

[@rcrocker02]

glad to help.. hope to see some videos of your gtp soon... hit me up when you post some

[@rcrocker02]

i do it every 25,000- 30,000 miles... thats whats recommended but some say you can go 50k miles but thats not recommended, if you race the car then probably every 10,000-15,000 miles as the heat will break down the oil faster

[@TonyJones-xc6dh]

Great video

[@DavidEnvy]

Its the same procedure in my 07 gt. Nice tutorial.

[@Mackandal-]

Thank you for the tutorial 👍🏽

[@rcrocker02]

See if the rattle is louder coming from the snout of the supercharger, or the internal part of the bigger part. you can use a screwdriver for this to make it easier.. place the screwdriver against the body of it while its running, and then against the snout of it.. put your ear against the handle of it to listen kind of like using a stethoscope for a car.

[@rcrocker02]

i definitely wouldnt use motor oil so make sure it says "supercharger oil" on the container, as i was told by gm whether its their brand or another brand, the supercharger oil is made differently to work in a supercharger specifically. as far as that goes ive never heard of there being differences in viscosity or anything with supercharger oil.. if i were you id contact gm and ask them what theyd advise even if its not their brand you buy. oh and zzp makes a bottle that is perfect size for it.

[@PaulJohnson7]

Super Video, Changing mine next Week..

[@stoneymcrock7649]

Thanks for a cool video DIY It appears as though the filler hole would be as easy to access, with the engine cover on, as well as off. Any particular reason for removing it? Also, instead of using needlenose pliers to prevent losing the filler screw, try a magnetic pickup tool so keep it secure.

[@rcrocker02]

only real reason for removing it is so you could see easier what we were doing in the video, and some people just find it easier with the cover off, some people it doesnt matter. is it necessary to remove the cover? no. but i wanted to cover everything in one video in case someone wanted to.

[@sputnik8407]

I´m looking at one , are they good cars ????

[@rcrocker02]

ive owned 5 of them, all have been pretty good and reliable, fast, practical, easy to modify, parts are usually pretty cheap.

[@claytonmoore8472]

I have one currently. They're fun to drive and if you get an older one then you'll get a good deal on it. Just beware of everything that could be wrong with it. Superchargers make different noises than a typical engine would, and make sure you check for rust!

[@nos1000100]

only 2 issues that may pop up is a coolant tube or two may crack bue easy to fix and the automatic transmissions can start slipping.

[@trevaughnprice5143]

Hell yea I have a modded one

[@paulraffeljr7159]

Just changed the supercharger oil in my 97 Buick Regal GS and it took a T30 bit not a T27. Thinking this should probably be done ever 50,000 miles or so.

[@drewames254]

Awesome good to know bro ! Thanks.

[@evan4607]

I just changed mine on my 98 GTP. Quick question though. I just replaced my intake manifold gaskets and in stead of putting dexcool back in I put Prestone all makes and models green coolant in. I completely flushed the dexcool out before I did it. You think this is a bad thing to use green coolant? I have read a lot of bad shit about dexcool.

[@Thelifehobbies]

Green is better for the seals and gaskets dexcool is good to but when you go over it's service life it eats gaskets and seals

[@Guerrero69]

I have the same car I didn't know how to thanks bro

[@Southdakotaphoto]

I wish I had put a rag under the snout, waited 2 days for a new screw. The high end parts stores in the area didn't have a part number for the screw, ordered it from the GM dealer.

[@chrismacias3365]

This video was so helpful At how many miles do you change the supercharger oil

[@lukeokeefe9777]

Typically every 2nd oil change

[@clarenceyoung4701]

How do you know when to change it? I bought my car used. So idk when it was last changed.

[@hulk78301]

Thanks a million!

[@rcrocker02]

this is a general service oil change just like changing the oil on a car or changing transmission fluid, you dont drop the transmission and engine every time you want to change their fluids. IF you do in fact have stuff built up in the bottom of your supercharger then sure remove it, but if you keep your oil changed properly there shouldnt be any problem

[@Footrotflats251]

we used to have that motor in holden commodores - they were used as rear wheel drive

[@rcrocker02]

yeah i wish it was rear wheel drive, idk why they insist on making so many cars front wheel drive instead. so stupid.

[@Footrotflats251]

they are super reliable - where i work we see them a fair bit - they make good skid rigs while being super reliable - the australian made motors came after the buick 3.8 - they were a 3.6L V6 - i think they were the Ecotec motors - they go hard too i own a ford - it has a 4L inline 6 SOHC motor that hasent changed a single bit since 1960! (well except for an alloy head and i think at some point it became SOHC from OHV the modern version of the INTECH 4.0L motor is the barra - it came in multiple sizez/power and it came out as DOHC with coil over plugs rather than the single coil pack my car has (2002 Ford Falcon) my 1992 Ford Fairmont has a Distributor and coil

[@rcrocker02]

yeah never really had any problems with it and im hard as hell on cars. got this and my bmw and while my bmw is pretty reliable i really gotta keep up with maintenance, the pontiac doesnt really care what you do it just ask for more even if you were to treat it like shit just cause that 3800 is so tough. big aftermarket too. 3.6 is strong but not as much aftermarket or boost applications over here and they kept putting it in front wheel drive cars as well which is annoying.

[@Footrotflats251]

the american version of the Holden 3.6 V6 was probably made in american? - i could be wrong - i know some cars were made LHD for america - like the chevy SS witch is made here in australia

[@rcrocker02]

yeah so is the pontiac g8 and 04-06 gto. and i think the 3.6 is made here.. but not 100% sure. the new chevy caprice police car is australian as well. some guys over there decided to start importing a few utes here as well. think theyve done like 3-4 so far. cool idea though. since we dont have that sort of thing here anymore. not since like the 80s with el camino's. nothing beats a use for some drift action.

[@andrewx7806]

If I remove the supercharger belt can I drive it without hurting the engine? Is the supercharger working all the time or only when you accelerate??

[@slenderman851]

Any idea on why the super charger rattles like a paintbal can?

[@rcrocker02]

no problem.. you shoulda seen me trying to figure it out the first time i had to do it myself with no real instructions or videos lol

[@anthonydefr]

How long does that oil last in the supercharger? And what is the maintenance cycle on it? Thanks

[@rcrocker02]

youll find a variety of answers depending which mechanic you talk to. its typically 30,000 to 50,000 miles between changes. longer the more you baby it, shorter the harder you run it, if you race the car id say even more often like 20,000 if you boost a lot.

[@mannychevy2010]

Hi Richard I have a 2000 gtp supercharged Daytona edition and is displaying LOW% I know that is not the windshield washing fluid what that can be?

[@rcrocker02]

try checking oil and coolant, if both are fine you probably just need a oil change done cause it has a oil change interval alert.

[@hawkspitnureye]

Very useful,accurate,and tactical.However the end comment about the oil,possibly, leaking and making belts squeak??? more like it'll making the supercharger belt slip off the pulleys.

[@jackson_1990]

This was awesome. Very simple and straight to the point. I plan on doing this tomorrow after work seeing as to how the dealer was going to charge me $160 dollars. Once it's complete does it have to sit for awhile?

[@rcrocker02]

farrisha Jackson nope you can drive it right after

[@rcrocker02]

@MrTwodafloor hmm.. interesting... every single dealer i been to in 4 states so far that was a major gm dealer with a repair shop has had them... good to know though.. thanks for pointing that out man. learn something every day. and from what ive HEARD there is no substitute oil... but ... thats just what ive heard.... personally i dont see why another brand of supercharger oil wouldnt work... but i just would rather use the gm oil since its not expensive anyways

[@elvishickmanful]

Thank you

[@Scybren]

The guy I bought my PA ultra from said I can underdrive the supercharger but I'm not sure what else needs to be beefed up to handle it.

[@mannychevy2010]

Thanks that was oil change needed

[@rcrocker02]

you dont have to, but its much easier when warmed up because the oil thins out more. if you do it when its cold the oil is much thicker inside there and can be tough to get it all out.

[@wesdog8975]

Can a different type of oil be substituted, ie a full synthetic 5w20?

[@jesuschaidez8896]

Richard, so how often should this oil be changed? Any idea? Thanks!

[@albertwesker89999]

about every 40,000 miles

[@LEORedSun]

Great video. Do you fill it all the way up? Thanks

[@EchoesOfSerenity]

Hello Richard, thanks for the cool video. However I have an Eaton style M62 Blower, it looks similar as urs but the hole is on the side, how do I know where to fill up? Also, what happens if you over fill the blower? What happens if you under-fill the blower? Please advise thanks.

[@rcrocker02]

damage to the supercharger is always a risk if you over or under fill it, but this is easy to solve by simply knowing how much you put in, ordering a bottle of supercharger oil from a place like zzp solves any guess work because it comes in the exact amount needed. as far as the hole being on the side, with that being a different setup it sounds like im not sure if youd fill it in the same spot. i would consult a gm technician to be sure before trying it on your vehicle. look around to see if there may be a filler hole somewhere else further in, or on the top or other side of the supercharger, or on back side maybe.

[@jefffuehr366]

man, i can't believe that the automotive repair manuals tell you that you should have a dealer perform this service. when this is all you gotta do. psssh.... for the longest time, i always thought that this must be a really complex job, by the way the repair manuals advice you to have this service performed at your dealer. and let me guess... your dealer would probably charge you $120.00 for this service, right? the more i learn about how easy it really is to do a lot of repairs on your car, the more i want to go to school to be a ASE certified mechanic.

[@rcrocker02]

+Jeff Fuehr ive heard of some places charging as high as $300 for this service

[@brianadlich4406]

i paid $100 before i realized i could have done this. First place i asked about it acted like it was a helluva job, and recommended another place. I thought a hundred was a lot, but 300, damn.

[@Carlito1988]

Informative, thanks!

[@giantAsFan]

Hey I have a 2000 Pontiac bonneville & I need to change the spark plugs but I CANNOT ACCESS THE REAR SPARKPLUGS/WIRE DUE TO LACK OF ROOM CAN YOU PLEASE GIVE ME ANY TIPS ON REMOVING THE REAR PLUS/wires

[@De19thKingJulion]

Looks to be the same engine that Holden used in their RWD commodore supercharged over here in Australia about 10 years ago

[@cellphonecraze]

I have a 2001 Buick Regal GS with the same engine, if I just changed the Supercharger oil at 52,000 miles for the first time, have I done serious damage by waiting too long?

[@007castles]

I have a supercharger on my 97 Riviera...does the same apply? I just got a great deal...grandma car with 38k original miles and everything works and is tight, just curious about the supercharger...anything else needed to maintain it?

[@andy19871223]

Thanks for the video changed the supercharger oil myself dealer wanted 300$

[@SuperFirebird38]

Thank u very much..! I didnt know I had to do this to my supercharger shit im doing it tomarrow!!!

[@rcrocker02]

@MrShoopthewoop short answer.. they make a kit to convert a gt to a gtp, there are some differences between them besides just the supercharger. having said that there are options too.. ill message you a longer answer with some details.. a buddy of mine had a gt that he wanted to beef up to be fast as hell

[@san379]

I HAD NO IDEA IT HAD OIL IN THERE.. IT HASENT BEEN CHANGED SINCE NEW.. I GUESS ILL CHANGE THAT IN SPRING.. .. HOW OFTEN DO YOU NEED TO CHANGE IT?

[@TSGoofy]

@evan4607 I have a similar problem, I scanned my car and it told me my front drivers side bearings were going bad, from the codes. I havent replaced it just yet but you might want to take a look around there somewhere and see if you can find the problem.

[@anthonyburgwald9139]

I was looking into buying a 97 Gtp. I know very little about supercharged engines.. I was wondering if you could tell me how often I should do this? When the regular oil is changed in the vehicle? Or is this the oil changed. I'm unsure if there is a separate container of oil just for the supercharger. This video is all new knowledge to me, dumb question maybe. If you don't mind I'd definitely appreciate an answer.

[@Gnik4144]

I believe the Manuel in the car tells you. I have a 2004 impala & did it @ 85,000 miles. I'll do it again at 100,000. Not sure what the book recommends though but I want to do it every 15 to 20,000.

[@alanmonarchi1411]

My '02 GTP OWner Manual says to check it at 30K - it doesn't say to change it. However, the new oil is clear (still smells awful) and the oil that comes out is dark brown (and also fiercely reeks), so I'd say changing every 30K miles is worth it - not to mention only costs about $20 depending on where you shop.

[@DCFGuitar]

Great video! thanks

[@alexmatheny9295]

Got my 06 gt with 113,000 miles. Now has 175,2**miles and ive never had this changed, by having this sc oil changed soon, should it help the car drive better/ regain some lost power?

[@rcrocker02]

idk that itll gain any power but it will certainly heat soak a lot less quickly, and that basically prevents you from losing the power sooner.

[@rcrocker02]

@infernostr nope only to the edge of the side of the hole, thats about 90% full but anymore itll start to spill out

[@rcrocker02]

@RYNORICHIE1 weird...cause mine took 1 full bottle and about 3/4 of the second bottle... you just fill it until its topped off at the edge of the hole... ive been told in forums that diffferent dealers say different things tho, some mechanics say dont drain it at all, and just to simply top it off every now and then... but your supercharger shouldnt be losing any oil to begin with so yeah.... oil breaks down over time from high temps, therefore replacing as some techs say made more sense to me.

[@rcrocker02]

the oil in the supercharger needs to be specifically supercharger oil not motor oil, as this particular supercharger doesnt run on the engine oil system. as far as removing it to replace it, i havent had to do that yet so i cant be for sure, but i would just search "replacing 3800 v6 supercharger" and if you have any trouble finding anything let me know and ill check around see if i can find anything worth while

[@rcrocker02]

@Cottonwood121 no problem... when i was trying to find out myself i searched and searched and had trouble finding anything that was real specific, but its actually really simple. when i figured out just how easy it was i was like... wtf... thats it? lol