RDJ As Doctor Doom is Some BULLS**T

[@Sir_J8ker]

Superior Ironman was…right there…

[@generalgrievous262]

Not a Tony variant so calm down, it the same deal of Chris Evans playing the human torch it's a an actor playing a version of that character

[@Novallity]

@@generalgrievous262 but admit it, RDJ would make a killer Superior Iron Man

[@Legacyartist]

@@generalgrievous262 Are we sure of that? This is Marvel and the Russo Brothers there not opposed to misdirects and lies if it hides plot beats. Even if RDJ is playing the real Victor Von Doom you know it's going to be hard for people to fully separate him from Ironman and are still going to assume he's evil Ironman. Though that might just be what Disney is hoping for. Have an RDJ Ironman back in the MCU without having an RDJ Ironman. I'll wait and see for now with a bit of skepticism, if Disney/Marvel can resist showing RDJ's face during his time as Doom the casting could avoid Ironman expectations.

[@thatHARVguy]

@@Novallity Wasn't Tom Cruise rumored to be Superior Iron Man in the Illuminati for Doctor Strange 2: MoM, much like the Nic Cage Superman cameo in The Flash.

[@melancholyentertainment]

They wanted to have their cake and eat it too.

[@Dylanisa_BasketCase]

"Just because something happened in the comics does not automatically make it a good idea for an adaptation." That line right there say it louder for the people in the back

[@PotatoBruh64]

Hey do you guys remember when Lois Lane did black face? How about that time that Spider-Man killed Mary Jane with his radioactive semen? What about when Batman cucked Dick Grayson? Or when Superman got spanked by Dwight D. Eisenhower and was happy about it?

[@vortechx7176]

plus even in the comics it was dumb. why would Doctor Doom steal the life of iron man instead of Mr. Fantastic, ya know his arch enemy.

[@milesharris249]

It's NOT happening in the movies, this is obviously a multiversval variant that just so happens to be played by Rdj

[@generalgrievous262]

He is NOT an iron man variant he is Rdj playing VICTOR VON DOOM it's explicitly stated, it's just like Chris Evans playing the human torch

[@Joshcoshbagosh]

ya. I know some people that pretty much take all comics as the gospel essentially.

[@hopefulfriend4163]

General movie goers are more excited than actual Doom fans.

[@TheN1ghtwalker]

When did Disney ever catered to fans? Most MCU dickriders never read a comic book.

[@ItachiUchiha-ut6xj]

If you actually know and love Doom, you know this is a horrible casting choice.

[@GrifterTheBoyIdiot]

​@@ItachiUchiha-ut6xj it is a horrible casting choice. I would've preferred Jon Hamm as Doom

[@UncleMerlin]

​@@ItachiUchiha-ut6xj its fine. Its RDJ, I believe he won't take his iron man level humor into the Victor von Doom role. Most of the time Doom wears a mask anyways so we won't see RDJ's face. As long as he gets the Doom feel down I don't think it'll be a problem.

[@ToBy11334]

@@UncleMerlindo you really think they’ll not show RDJs face?

[@yandereneko5523]

Having Dr Doom without the Fantastic Four is like having the Justice League fight the Joker without Batman.

[@MinorityGamerReport1]

The Fantastic 4 are gonna be in that same movie too. Already confirmed

[@krashdummiez007]

@@MinorityGamerReport1but the fantastic 4 aren’t avengers they are their own team. I think most fans would rather see them fight doom first, THEN fight with avengers

[@yarc9]

The justice league can fight the joker without Batman help they done it

[@mrmelonman2893]

​@@yarc9see u just proved the vids point. Just becasue it happend doesnt make it a good idea. Its almost never as interesting as when batman is there

[@yandereneko5523]

@@yarc9 the example might not have been the best, I was more so stating that the Joker is a Batman villian, it would be weird to have someone else fight him. Just like it would be weird to not have the Fantastic Four fight Dr Doom.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

This is a weird casting choice. I lost some respect for the Russo's after Endgame. They couldn't even figure out what to do with Hulk and now they're trusting them with the entire multiverse. Heck, they couldn't even let Thor finish his arc from the previous films. I just don't trust them as much.

[@sirkingjames4656]

I agree that they did kinda let down Hulk and Thor in endgame but when you consider that they were trying to make a really hyped up conclusion to 20+ movies worth of storylines and character arcs and they somehow managed to pull it off and gave perfect endings to Tony and Steve’s arcs I think you gotta cut them some slack

[@thebloodedge284]

Man, I hate how Hulk was treated in the mcu. We could've gotten a mature hulk storyline in the mcu.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@sirkingjames4656 I don't think that's an excuse. The movie is very poorly written. Very lazy. I mean they literally use time travel to get out of a situation that only came about in Endgame. Captain Marvel is only in the film to be a deus ex machina at the beginning and end of the film. Thanos is reduced to a Saturday morning cartoon villain trying to destroy the world. It was honestly disappointing. Infinity War felt like the culmination of the previous films. Endgame felt like it was made by completely different people. It's kind of a mess.

[@w1-em4nq]

@@sirkingjames4656 I was happy with how they handled them too. In a massive movie, with so many characters to end a big trilogy.

[@Jack.Martson]

@@sirkingjames4656the reason why Iron man and Captain America had perfects endings is bc there solo movies were actually good and showed us why to care about them, Thor movies weren’t that good they were okay, and Hulk had 1 good movie but they never really explored the characters of Bruce and Hulk relationship after the first movie and just went back to Bruce being afraid of Hulk again and after that they shitted on the character completely.

[@Juggernaut1534]

If they truly wanted to cast RDJ while keeping the legacy of Victor Von Doom, they wouldn’t have revealed who the actor was. Keep it a secret, let Dr. Doom hide his face for 95% of his scenes in the film, then reveal it’s RDJ at the end in a brief shot. It would create extraordinary suspense for both the MCU and comic fans.

[@Hades1980s]

I said the the same exact thing. Keep the mystery going till the movie releases except don’t let it be RDJ. Someone else like Javier Bardem or Ralph Fiennes. That would’ve broken the Internet. Epic af.

[@Juggernaut1534]

@@Hades1980s shooot, didn't know you said that. Good idea fr!

[@Hades1980s]

Haha.. and what would even be the point of casting and paying RDJ millions if he keeps the mask on most of the time. It’s a bizarre decision no matter what way you look at it.

[@Juggernaut1534]

@@Hades1980s for his skills and to play the role phenomenally?

[@Juggernaut1534]

@@Hades1980s His paycheck for the movie did not need to be revealed either. Them showing his salary was more of a way to show that Disney wants to seem as if they are putting in effort.

[@wqueen5337]

Rdj being doctor doom is such a cashgrab.

[@omaurioncouncil564]

Everything is a cash grab 😂😂

[@wqueen5337]

@@omaurioncouncil564😂

[@BC-ti1xz]

People say cash grab but will still love the movie, just like how they said deadpool was a cash grab but I have yet to see hate behind it.

[@calebmurphy9406]

I really think it's too early to tell.

[@elijahdavila3684]

​@@BC-ti1xzPeople said Deadpool and Wolverine is a crash grab?

[@user-iz7kc4ql7g]

MF DOOM is rolling in his grave rn

[@hoodiek6802]

The KING

[@ShadowNemesis575]

This is MF DOOM

[@MrBruh-kb7fb]

@@ShadowNemesis575 This is disrespectful

[@AHandsomeChrisPine]

Would love to hear Meat Grinder in the opening marvel credits. Then during the climax Fig Leaf Bi-Carbonate starts playing

[@futurafrlx8874]

What does he have to do with Marvel smh

[@WalkBesideMe]

Imagine Hugh Jackman came from playing Wolverine to playing the MCU Magneto. That's how dumb this idea is

[@baligong3592]

Not even, more like Huge Jackman came from playing Wolverine to playing Spider-Man, just because he was Spider-Man for a bit in 1610.

[@AsadoMao]

Actually that sounds pretty awesome

[@user-wy1et9dk9w]

@@AsadoMaoI don’t think it sounds awesome at all lol

[@Nevad25]

@@AsadoMao It doesn't.

[@neroresurrected]

Agreed, the is certainly a high risk high reward play by Disney/Marvel to run with this decision and only time will tell how this gamble works out for them. I personally don’t like the idea.

[@Unrealizedthoughts0]

Another problem is casting a character in the MCU is tough enough because of the multiple year deals and no recast, but let'ss be real... RDJ is not keeping the mask on. 90% sure of this. Doom should've been another actor. This choice was odd, shocking, and... pretty safe.

[@Hillthugsta]

Safe in what way? Only thing safe about this is RDJ's acting ability. Its pretty risky in every other way and poses high potential of failure

[@Mrgomodefr]

@@Hillthugstahuh…..?

[@mylegguy8115]

@@Mrgomodefrit’s not like RDJ can not transform his acting have you seen Tropic Thunder or Oppenheimer?

[@andytrevino4077]

​@@mylegguy8115It's still piss-poor casting. There's no shortage of actors who can pull off what he could, or even better.

[@mylegguy8115]

@@andytrevino4077 Fans like you are irreprensible. It’s always much easier to hire from the inside. Name 10 other actors that has the MCU experience and talent RDJ has to play Dr. Doom?

[@CreativelyBankrupt-gc4dw]

My biggest issue about the whole casting situation is the fact that people are talking more about how Spider-Man would react seeing Doctor Doom. It is so annoying to me because it shows that people don’t know anything about the character and the comics then start defending the casting by searching for evidence and posting a picture saying they were right. Doctor Doom barely takes off his mask and he literally has one of the biggest beefs in marvel history with Reed Richards yet people are still acting like there’s some kind of relationship between Spider-Man, Iron Man and Doctor Doom. It’s literally just the whole female Silver Surfer thing again. Comic fans were not happy to see a character that they loved for decades be changed and then people who have never touched or read a comic will just google search female Silver Surfer and be like “See, it happened in the comics” without even knowing the context or the character.

[@Xoulrath_]

Thank you! I've waited YEARS for a good adaptation of Surfer on the big screen. Then I find out that they are maybe going to be doing a Shalla Bal one off instead?! And I'm a misogynist for wanting Norrin?! Disney already killed Star Wars for me. The destroyed Luke. I was really hoping to get the Norrin Surfer movie before they destroyed the MCU too, but that might not happen now. Oh well.

[@HectorT52]

Ngl at least the gender thing could have little impact and present norrin in the main universe because F4 is gonna be set in another universe at first but this is just confirmed to be the main doom for one of the biggest events in marvel and almost garantees that it is gonna strip most of the original character anf turn it just into evil ironman. Also people presenting infamous iron man as evidence or a 1 time story as evidence of "it happens in the comics" is kinds bshit with SS too was a little to a no name story but things like shuri at least had more history in comics to justify the changes.

[@Warlord-dc5un]

To be fair to them Reed Richards hasn't even had a main appearance in the main MCU universe, one single alternate universe Reed appeared in Multiverse of Madness to get killed off. Also people will obviously talk about the potential interactions with Spiderman because in the MCU Peter's mentor/father figure is Tony. Even though for most iterations Spiderman, Iron man and Doom don't that sort of bond.

[@CyclopsWasRight]

Pete and Tony got close during Civil War in the comics. That being said, RDJ as Doom is nothing but a desperate hailmarry.

[@CreativelyBankrupt-gc4dw]

@@Warlord-dc5un I am still salty about how Reed Richards died in that movie. He’s literally the smartest man Marvel comics so the fact that he decided to throw away his common sense was so Reedtarded (I’m sorry, I had to).

[@Xedlord]

"Let's be honest, you're gonna be there opening weekend" Dawg I haven't watched an MCU movie since Endgame

[@acidity2k486]

Same here

[@youcantbeatk7006]

The projection of capeshit fanboys is insane.

[@niersu]

The only marvel movie Ive seen in theaters was Infinity War, so no I will not be there for the butchering of Dr. Doom

[@kye698]

It’s gonna be on my laptop 2 days after opening weekend for sure

[@youcantbeatk7006]

@@kye698 I can't believe you can't wait for the HD DVD rips.

[@abiodunsulaiman2297]

Red lantern supergirl in the dcu eventually would be kinda kino ngl

[@MrRobot-0]

To be fair the interety of the guy Gardner led red lantern storyline was their peak.

[@Br-kc2jy]

I agree

[@Pacca64]

I do really hope the other lantern colors are done justice someday. The idea is so rich for tieing cool powers directly into character development.

[@QuothTheRavenclaw11]

​@@Pacca64I really want to see an awesome live-action Larfleeze.

[@Pacca64]

@@QuothTheRavenclaw11 Oh yeah, really cool world ending threat with a terrifying zombie recruitment power and great comedy potential too. What more could a writer ask for? Love larfleeze lol

[@thememeguy2195]

All they needed to do to avoid this (deserved) backlash is just have RDJ play Superior Ironman leading an evil Avengers. But Doom? Victor "the goat" Von Doom? This just ain't it, hell it makes more sense for Iron Man to be the main villain since the MCU characters have an attachment to Tony while no one has any connection to Doom.

[@Legacyartist]

I would love an RDJ Superior Ironman working with Victor Von Doom and The Maker to destroy or rule the multiverse. Hell if Disney wants repurpose the Kang Dynasty idea have RDJ play all three kind of like what they wanted Jonathan Majors to do. Just don't show Dr. Doom or The Maker's face ever. Then like you said Superior Ironman can play with the Avengers emotions hell even hint that the three of them took out the Kang's off screen to explain away why there not around. Make it a joke that if Antman could take one down then of course the combined intellect of the three could take out the rest easily.

[@ScottieGray-c3t]

RDJ getting paid $80 million for Avengers Doomsday is like 1/3 of their budget. This is preposterous.🤦

[@theboy1625]

“The one person who can play doom.” Russo’s done lost their dam mind

[@Big_Sexy_]

Actually RDJ is perfect for Doom. But... I also don't like it.

[@andytrevino4077]

Their smugness just makes it even worse.

[@C.R.Cole331]

Bro died the hero AND lived long enough to see himself become the villain

[@Moosestud]

Such a creative line

[@ahmadmohammed4212]

How original

[@morbidzombii]

it’s a different storyline, it’s based off of the infamous iron man.

[@Diortelon]

Lowest of hanging fruits.

[@ondururagittandeska2004]

Kamen Rider Turbo: "First time" - It's actually a little more complicated

[@morales75211]

I'm still trying to figure out who the avengers are gonna be

[@basedostrich]

The ones who make money. That's Spiderman, Deadpool, Doctors Strange, and the rest are the fellas in the background

[@Hades1980s]

I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s RDJ

[@Dave102693]

@@basedostrichpretty much

[@sagemaster1357]

​@@basedostrichthere's also Sam Wilson in Captain America 4.

[@AYYYLMAOOOOO]

Probably gonna be a bunch of multiverse characters like hugh jackman's wolverine. Won't make any sense but these woke characters aint gonna bring in any money. Like seriously Ant-man"s daughter? Yeah she aint coming back lmao

[@crocodiledundee8685]

Nice to see Avengers: Earth’s Mightest Heroes referenced 😄

[@lifeisberserk9566]

Mcu really should have taken notes from that masterpiece

[@crocodiledundee8685]

@@lifeisberserk9566 agreed 😄

[@lifeisberserk9566]

@@crocodiledundee8685 definitely one of my favorite shows ever and the best marvel content made alongside Daredevil and Spectacular Spiderman

[@crocodiledundee8685]

@@lifeisberserk9566 💯

[@DiegoArrieta-ik5mt]

@@lifeisberserk9566 eh those are aight

[@sajzot9198]

This is so wrong on so many levels. Dr. Doom is in discussion to be the greatest comic book villain of all time. Him being connected to Iron Man is disrespectful. And him being a fricking RDJ bait makes it even worse. Doctor Doom is a character with his own identity and mythos. There was no set up for Doom in previous movies. Dr. Doom is not a villain from multiverse. He is from 616. Him not being from main MCU continuity makes universe look less rich (like we were introduced to every significant character in infinity saga and everyone else is from alternate universe) and doesn't really make sense for Doom

[@TheSsjJoker]

As for Dr doom being one my favorite characters, I will say I would have preferred some one else playing doom, I’m not totally against rdj, he’s great, but it all depends on execution and only time will tell

[@TheSsjJoker]

@@ArcTrooperRod-269 what are u on about I don’t steal art, and I don’t use ai art other than my profile cuz it looked cool, and as for ur the other comment I never said I hated cw arrow I just didn’t like that much cuz they made him Batman lite, rdj was amazing as stark and while he’s wasn’t a one to one he certainly was more “accurate” than amell, plus he made Tony more interesting, notice how after 08 Tony in the comic resemblance more of rdj and that version of arrow stayed like that in the show only, also I said I would prefer someone else as doom, but I don’t hate it I also said it all depends on execution

[@Amartin-mu6oj]

​@@ArcTrooperRod-269 "hypocrey, anyone?" Lol

[@Amartin-mu6oj]

@ArcTrooperRod-269 What are you even talking about?

[@TheSsjJoker]

@@Amartin-mu6oj try to ignore him, dude did the same thing on another video about green arrow, he simply can’t grasp the concept of someone having an opinion lol

[@TheSsjJoker]

@@ArcTrooperRod-269 “Ai art supporter”, dude what r u on about, u sound dumb, like I said I don’t use ai art only for my profile pic and that’s it and I’m not against people using ai art, so along as they don’t credit themselves as real artists and for actual artists to still be considered better

[@Mankey619]

People will make dumb defenses that it happened in the comics. Doesn't mean he should play the role of Dr Doom. If they wanted a bad guy version of Tony Stark. I expect him as the Superior Iron Man.

[@HighCHD]

Lmao THANK YOU. I guarantee people saying "it happened in the comics" as a defense did not read Infamous Iron Man lol. That story had Victor become Iron Man while Stark was in a coma, as a way to try to redeem his character as a hero. It wasn't literally Tony Stark wearing the suit lol. Also right in the sense that just because it happened in the comics doesn't make it a good idea to adapt in live action. It's like if in the Nolan verse we see Christian Bale as Batman, and then they made a Superman movie in that universe and just casted Bale again. Like what?? Not saying he can't pull it off but he already played a prominent character, it's a bit weird to see RDJ playing another one when we just had him for 10 years lol. Not saying he can't pull it off and I hope he does but this is clearly because they want more people to see the film. Not because it fits the character. It is what it is tho, hope its good. Good vid btw

[@Carmadillo-c6k]

My biggest problem with this is that it’s reduced the best Marvel villain’s first MCU appearance to a cash grab.

[@anubusx]

Doctor Doomlittle.

[@crimsonXsythe01]

Bro they had motherfuking guss from breaking bad and instead we get this

[@tybo8377]

U ain't wrong

[@Vilgax00]

He looks nofthing like Doom. Atleast RDJ looks a lot like him. I say we should use Hesinberg.

[@SS4DEUCE]

@@Vilgax00doom has a burnt face covered by a metal mask , you could look like anything and play him. We just need gravitas in the role. Ideally his skin would never be even shown

[@Vilgax00]

​@@SS4DEUCE Good point. But again. This is Disney. They will never let that slide ıf Doom was played by him. İt could be much better ıf he is played by Hesinberg when he is without in mask and etc. And played by Gustavo when he is under the mask. You can justify it by saying suit has a voice modulator. Similar to Darth Vader.

[@outbound368]

He's too old for the role and Giancarlo Esposito should take a break playing a villainous mastermind again

[@InfiniteJexulus]

Doctor Who just recently brought back both the most popular showrunner and Doctor in the show’s recent history, and it spectacularly backfired. The entertainment industry has warped considerably even in the past 5 years. If these two movies fail, it will only demonstrate to the broader mainstream audience what those in the UK witnessed with Doctor Who: it doesn’t matter whose faces you see attached to the project - the whole of the entertainment industry is corrupt and untrustworthy.

[@ondururagittandeska2004]

Oh man and I was thrilled to see the executive producer of OOO and Geats work on Gavv

[@DazedBunny]

I'm a massive fan of Doctor Who, and I kinda agree, but like honestly the new show didn't kill me to watch it, it almost did when The Doctor was made gay, but other than that it was a mid show

[@kingbash6466]

The worst thing sbout this is that every non-comic reader pulled out some random, out-of-context comic panel that they googled bying typing "Doctor Doom Iron Man" to justify this decision. It's so frustrating.

[@truthbetold9092]

Those are MCU fanboys, not comic fans.

[@youcantbeatk7006]

@@truthbetold9092 He never said they were comic fans.

[@truthbetold9092]

@@youcantbeatk7006 I'm aware of that.....

[@youcantbeatk7006]

@@truthbetold9092 Then what's the point of your reply?

[@truthbetold9092]

@@youcantbeatk7006 because I can? Lol

[@yansantiago8309]

I have a feeling he'll likely be swapped out for a proper 616 Doom either in or after Secret Wars, and this Doom's only from the Fantastic Four universe. But yeah I have to agree that this reeks of desperation to get people invested after all that happened with Majors and Kang. I would've preferred if they just recast Kang really, let Doom have his own full Saga rather than half-ass it like they're trying to do it now.

[@bag4592]

Yeah but then the fantastic four has no attachment to that doom going forward, honestly it might work better to make RDJ the Doom of the mcu and the new Doom from the fantastic four universe.

[@Ignoreduser]

Bruh they made “Spider-Man” into “Iron-Boy” and completely overshadowed Ben Parker’s role with both Tony Stark and Aunt May. I do not believe for one second that the “Reed Richards and Doom” dynamic will be intact especially when “Spider-Man” is such a big money maker. Full Circle: the MCU saved Sony when they were at their lowest now it’s the other way around.

[@comixproviderftw_02]

Kevin Feige right now is like; “This is all YOUR fault by the way! If you people would’ve just gone to see Quantumania, and if Jonathan Majors never got himself in trouble, Robert Downey Jr. would not be coming back Dr. Doom.”

[@mohabalserafe3795]

Yet they could have chosen anyone else to play the role heck they could have brought back the actor who played doom in the original fantastic four movie and nobody would have complained about it

[@mysteryperson1958]

Couldn't they just recast kang?

[@comixproviderftw_02]

@@mysteryperson1958 Kinda hard to take him seriously since he got killed by Ants.

[@mohabalserafe3795]

@@mysteryperson1958 that's logically what they should have done but I guess Hollywood don't have the balls to do a stunt like this for some dumb reason either that or they just want people to forget about Kang altogether because he didn't do much for them as the big bad because of their incompetence and how they stupidly humiliated is character leading to everyone losing Faith in this dipshit of a franchise

[@hoodiek6802]

​@comixp 1 of his variants he wasn't the strongest but regardless Majora should've came back roviderftw_02

[@milkiassamuel780]

Doctor Doom is my favourite Marvel villain and such a complex character with a fantastic rivalry with Reed Richards (pun intended). Though I LOVE RDJ, and hes a phenomenal actor I do worry if this casting will affect how they adapt Doom since his rivalry with Reed and Latverian/Romani heritage is a quintessential part of his character. Regardless, Im willing to give this a chance and Im excited to see Doctor Doom return to the big screen again. They could explore a good story about Tony being his worst enemy and the biggest threat to the multiverse; since the MCU started with RDJ, it feels rather poetic that it would end with him. I do think they can touch on good themes surrounding the power of our choices, as Doom could reflect the juxtaposition of Tony's entire character arc in the MCU since Tony learned humility and what it means to make sacrifices for others because of his experience in Afghanistan and friendship with the Avengers, Doom on the other started out with nothing as a Romani peasant and lost his whole family and had to learn to fend for himself mastering both science and magic and liberating the people of his country and becoming the ruler of Latveria for the better, thus creating this god-complex in Doom and establishing an underlying sense of resentment for others if they disagree with his perspective as shown with his immense pettiness against Reed Richards fueling their iconic rivalry, so there is room for them to explore the parallels between the two. I just feel very mixed about the casting since it feels like they're just hyping up these movies by bringing back RDJ. But like I said, I'm always happy to be proven wrong since RDJ will surely do a great job. Guess Harvey Dent was right: *"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"*

[@Rishabh-Dev]

60yrs actor playing Doom, 50yra old playing Blade. Wth is going on?

[@youcantbeatk7006]

The major film industry is literally just a dress up game for old rich people.

[@cracmar03]

Hollywood is a clique. And only several ones are welcomed to it. That being said I am so glad Wesley Snipes played Blade again, even if he is already 60.

[@ItsJayski]

@@youcantbeatk7006it’s almost scary how accurate that is 🤣🤣

[@Vilgax00]

İts a win-win stuation. If the movie became a hit,than Mcu is back in the town. If it flops,than this will hurt Disney's other franchises such us Starwars. So they will have to listen the fans. They recently burned $180M with Acolyte show. Their desperation is preety fun to watch. Apperantly RDJ is aware of this fact.

[@alexanderchristopher6237]

Their flops had been consistent for the last several years now, fans had complained, and yet they kept producing and defending flops. Including calling fans racist and/or bigoted. And you expect this will work? There will be some element in that movie considered to be “woke” and Marvel and their shills will gaslight y’all to think that’s why the fans hate it and not REJ being Dr. Doom just so they can call the fans racist and/or bigots.

[@Vilgax00]

​@@alexanderchristopher6237They will pay RDJ more than $80M. This is more than enough to see that they are really desperate here.

[@ZoomSEdit]

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[@laverdadescatolica5]

Disney should stop ALL STAR WARS SHOWS. STAR WARS went from a trilogy every 15-20 years to … 2-3 television shows a year?? Huh! They should have just had ONE show in BETWEEN trilogies. Just ONE every … 20 years (5/6 seasons and 13 episodes per season). The only one they should done was THE MANDALORIAN.

[@Vilgax00]

@@ZoomSEdit Sa.

[@slackstarfish8133]

This gotta be the most desperate movie I’ve ever seen marvel make. Maybe these movies will genuinely be good but everything marvel has put out since endgame has made me feel nothing. Even Deadpool and Wolverine was just a bland cameo fest. Seems like marvels time in the sun is coming to an end. Maybe DC will finally get their shit together

[@KingKhupacabra]

Dcu rises brother

[@SOULFORESAKER]

Marvel is desperate

[@Oddash-lz6kw]

I have this suspicion this was a desperate move to replace Kang the Conquerer as the main villain for Secret Wars since Marvel dropped Jonathan Majors and they needed someone popular to really drum up enthusiasm for the MCU

[@Dave102693]

It was

[@johannesseyfried7933]

I'm almost glad honestly. Because I never found Kang to be that interesting.

[@Enigma75614]

They should have cast Mads Mikkelsen instead

[@GrifterTheBoyIdiot]

Jon hamm>>>>

[@Treloneous]

Mads Mikkelsen already played another villain once in the first Doctor Strange movie.

[@LightningXXI]

​@@TreloneousThey wasted him with that villain

[@BrutalRaynor]

Or Cillian Murphy

[@Enigma75614]

@@Treloneous Robert Downey Jr already played Iron Man as well

[@notobi-wan8344]

"But it happened in comics" is kinda dumb argument to defend anything. Didnt Squirrle Girl defeat Thanos in comics? Didnt Thanos get arrested by normal ass cops in comics? Didnt he fly a helicopter in comics? Didnt Gwen Stacy have sex with Noman Osborn in comics? Should all these happen in MCU too?

[@notobi-wan8344]

@@dg7k Truth to be told i guess im a normie too. All of my examples i learned from KZbin. Never touched Marvel comic. All my knowlede of Dr Doom comes from those early 2000 F4 movies. I just feel RDJ is panic hire to create hype here after multiple mediocre films and shows

[@dg7k]

@@notobi-wan8344 if you're using comicstorian your good he never misses. I feel you on RDJ I just feel they should have hired someone like Calin Murphy or bring a new actors to expand the characters of the MCU

[@joseluis5055]

At this point Marvel thinks this dumb idea of bringing back their previous face of the franchise can fix all their problems, which it most likely won't. Why don't they actually sit down and work on improving the writing and structure of this universe?

[@kail4997]

“Doom is nobody’s second choice.” -dr doom to Namor In a side note I think classic doom was too iconic to be replaced, the infamous iron man literally reverted back to doom. So I wouldn’t be too worried about potential comic synergy.

[@starrsmith3810]

My problem is Dr. Doom is literally Romani. …….the literal only way to fix that one would be to have the real Dr. Doom be played a Romani actor. Otherwise it’s literally yet another whitewashed Romani character like freaking Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver.

[@thebloodedge284]

I agree, and the same can be said about Ra's al ghul in the dark knight rises. They should've gotten someone who's Arabic for Ra's.

[@Vilgax00]

Look,the actor does not have to be in same ethnicty with the character. They just need to look like the said character. And RDJ does look like him. You can just say he is romani in the story and call it the day. This is why raceswapping is making me mad. Because people one who defending suddenly became to spesific when it comes to do a diffrent ethnicty.

[@kail4997]

And the thing was Jewish. I love they remind us moon knight was Jewish, but man Hollywood do love whitewashing characters. That ancient one bs is literally ra’s al ghul again

[@fanumgoon]

buddy casting doesn’t really matter at all, acting and storytelling matters the most,

[@Reaper_777-wc7yo]

He’s half Romani. His father is from Europe and his a white guy. Victor takes after his father. Look up pictures of his face without the mask.

[@mbphilipblack8993]

I don't get the hype at all to bring RDJ back and especially as not Iron Man just seems so forced at least if he was an alternate version of Tony 1872 his return would have worked better. Should have been an entirely different actor and with secret wars/multiverse gimmick bring Julian McMahon. Any of the following actors would have been better suited: 1. Eamon Farren 2. Graham McTavish 3. Viggo Mortensen 4. Jason Isaacs 5. Luke Evans 6. Cillian Murphy

[@naolerena3193]

we're mcu glazers we don't actually read the source material our favorite universe comes from!

[@rev.jonathanwint6038]

If he is Doom he has to be Victor Von Doom! He has to be the gypsy boy! The one way they could make it work is if Tony Stark who was an adopted baby was switched by Kang as a baby with Victor Von Doom. This will mean Iron Man was the variance and the man that became Tony Stark was always Victor Von Doom! And he could continue to play the character effectively forever if he's going to be wearing an Iron mask. Or without it he's Disfigured! That way it's not an evil Tony Stark playing victim on Doom It was a good Victor Von Doom raised as Tony Stark! And this will mean Morgan Stark is really Morgan Doom! And the first man to create time travel in the meantime line was Victor Von Doom and the man to kill Thanos for the first time was Victor Von Doom! Only problem is I don't think Disney's that bright so we are screwed.

[@Sjono]

We don’t even get to know Doom before he’s featured in this big crossover Honestly this just seems like a backup plan because Kang fell through. Kang got to have build up albeit a poorly thought out one meanwhile we’re just getting Doom thrown at us. And what happens after Secret Wars. I’ll be damned if they kill him off before he’s in a Fantastic Four film

[@Baki89Mr]

Did Marvel forgot how to recast? They could have recast Jonathan Majors and finished the phase with Kang. And than have Doom be main villain for entire phase.

[@selenarodgers5667]

Exactly, why couldn’t they just do that ☝️🤦‍♀️

[@ChloeCommentss]

I think the idea could work, if they lean into it too much though it'd suck. I don't need a scene where Tom Holland gives a corny line about Doom being Tony. Then again, for Peter this could be a good story on his new independence so I digress. What I want is a threatening Dr Doom, not a threatening Robert Downey Jr.

[@youngdresbaby]

The last Marvel movies I've seen in the theater were Infinity War, Black Panther, and End Game. Every other movie I'll watch the day of release at home.

[@JisatsuArchives]

Why couldn’t they just recast kang

[@selenarodgers5667]

Exactly, why couldn’t they just do that

[@johnotto-wl2yh]

because Kang is not that exciting of a big villain for a movie saga.

[@RoyalRay7hwi01amqwro]

@@johnotto-wl2yhyeah he was bud

[@MartinMarsano]

​@@johnotto-wl2yhJust because he doesn't have a Titanium mask? Dude a villain with infinite variants Is PERFECT for a multiverse saga.

[@Professional_Lube_Job]

Its so dumb. Theres a million mogos that could have played doom

[@rus.t]

They could have just recast Kang. They already established him as the main bad guy for this phase. And they already recasted a role before, they did this to Edward Norton and Terrence Howard.

[@mamad_rma7]

Nahhhhh Man i hate rdj as dr doom i just wanted cillian Murphy (but i have mad respect for rdj)

[@tomobata]

I think it could work as long as he is paying victor von Doom and not a stark variant. Remember Captain America used to be the Human Torch.

[@dg7k]

Yeah but Fantastic Four wasn't attached to the MCU it was a standalone it just feels off since RDJ was Iron Man in the MCU and if he is Victor Von Doom RDJ was already in the MCU as Tony Star/IronMan it just feels like a last minute plan.

[@chaneladriana6829]

I don’t like how rdj thinks he has the world in the palm of his hands no one should think that

[@DaniG._.German]

I would've preferred Superior Ironman. The hero who sales Extremis to the people. An evil Ironman is more impactful than Doom Stark.

[@emperorsean1]

There are many others that could play Dr Doom. Killian Murphy, Bryan Cranston or others. Dr Doom is a great villain. The crap what if comic with Dr Doom switching bodies isn't a good story. I'm sick of it to the "0h it happened in the comics." Just cause it happened in the comics doesn't mean it's good. Dr Doom should just be Dr Doom. The villain of the F4. He's a dictator of latvaria, he's a genius, a magician, scientific genius and in other stories a god. We do not need another alternate variant or body swapping. Bringing RDJ back as superior iron man or an evil iron man maybe. Not as Dr Doom.

[@ringo_type_101]

"BuT iT hApPeNeD iN tHe CoMiCs" Alright, lemme cast Alfred Molina as the next Spider-Man, then watch how many rabid fanboys will go "bUt SuPeRiOr SpIdEr-MaN"

[@TheEmperorRaidou]

I would like that actually lol

[@hacksawDDS]

I for sure won't see this in theaters. Haven't seen a Marvel movie in theaters since Endgame and Dr. Doom was the only thing that could get me to come back. But this is honestly a desperate, lazy, highly questionable hail mary to save their dying franchise.

[@BatDevil]

Lego and Superhero Squad with EMH's Doom are the three best adaptations

[@frankfilippelli]

This was a very lazy move and will most likely be their greatest mistake ever! From a brand perspective, even if they succeed, it will be detrimental to their company moving forward because it will make it that much harder for people to except any form of media that doesn’t have Robert Downey Jr. or Iron Man in it inevitably making it harder to make new creative content in the future. They really backed themselves into a corner with this one. I hate the entire idea 👎

[@fanumgoon]

such a crybaby,

[@rahulpare4414]

This shows Disney is so desperate of money and I believe they'll quite possibly pull it off coz of how popular marvel avengers spiderman things are.

[@akessi4755]

I personally think that it was supposed to be Johnny Depp but they fumbled hard

[@travit666]

0:06 only way in my opinion that they could make this work without it being just some kind of cash grab is having RDJ only be the voice of Dr Doom while in the mask and casting someone else to play the physical body and face of Doom outside of his mask like what they did with Tony Todd and Tobin Bell on the flash where they voiced zoom and savatar only when the suits were on

[@vileink4733]

Yes pay your biggest actor 80 Million to do a voice over get over yourself the movie will be just great.

[@ivanagustinortiz5237]

​@@vileink4733 Not to mention paying a fraction to a lesser known actor to do all the heavy lifting, seems completely fair.

[@rossjones8656]

Indeed, superior iron man exist but no doctor iron man.

[@GalvinOliver]

Finally somebody who isn't drinking the disgusting marvel Kool aid 😂🎉

[@JataDaYokudan96]

Marvel has proven over and over again that they don't care about their characters. Why would you butcher one of, if not the greatest, villain in fiction like this?

[@baddworld]

this is how i feel about Green Goblin its not gonna hit the same since we got Dafoe I WANT MO DAFOEEEEW

[@dg7k]

I mean the actor Starr from the boys & banshee seems like he could play a good Norman Osborne/Green Goblin in the MCU. But to me personally Disney don't know how to make those kinds of power moves.

[@S0n0fG0D]

I would actually like to see an animated film or a movie where batman is just straight up a vampire. Would be pretty cool for the character considering he is a bat themed vigilante.

[@bxrdo]

The one person!?! Seriously

[@Shadowkiller-dq2ju]

RDJ and Marvel couldn’t live without each other

[@LordChaos-fc6bk]

Here's what (probably) happened: the bigwigs at Disney had a meeting to figure out why the MCU cash cow has been running dry the past few years. Somebody said, "It all went the sh*t after Endgame." So, what happened it that movie? RDJ's character got killed off. No RDJ in the MCU, the MCU doesn't make 💲. ☹️🤔🤑 And here we are.

[@Anw4rr10r]

Bingo

[@demondsims5411]

This video explains what I've been thinking about this news since Saturday. This is stupid.

[@jairose1052]

At this point. I'm just gonna write my own version of Marvel un like a fanfiction or something since Disney is just dead set on destroying Marvel

[@bigjawline9235]

everyone that was saying it happened in the comics does not read comics whatsoever lol. to them all of comic books have the same amount of validity

[@TE-fc8xw]

It’s the mcu fans now because they are the same ones that just wanna hop on the trend they don’t like marvel they like Disney’s marvel cinematic universe

[@theharbinger00]

Luke Evans would have been better choice

[@Cobracatcommander]

can't believe DCU studios has more to offer than MCU studios. all they're giving us is a rehashed actor as DR DOOM. such a disapointmen.

[@Lucki-4Me]

He does not have the gravitas at ALL

[@s.w.a7609]

Disney is so creatively bankrupt, lets go back to what worked, sort of. The way the multiverse is used nowadays is just a terrible excuse to bring back a dead character, with no story purpose just nostalgia bait.

[@mandalorianhunter1]

I love RDJ but no I can't see him as Doom like I couldn't see The Rock as Black Adam. I do want to see Magneto, Doom, Apocalypse and more in the MCU but I need smart choices for them.

[@JoelsCreed141]

I feel like it’s just a desperate attempt to get a win, and it’s ruining the potential for another actor to take on the role without it being completely jarring. They’re clearly not confident in just casting someone else as Doom so they’re relying on a Hail Mary with the golden boy of the MCU. I hope I’m wrong though

[@kbar4462]

Same shit when ppl started defending female Silver Surfer, iTs In ThE cOmIcS...nah, its 3 panels in an Earth X comic nobody read in the last 20 years lol

[@Jspore-ip5rk]

I can't believe they cheered 😡😡. RDJ is a great actor, but why did they cast him as Doom? They ruined one of my favourite characters 🤬. They should have made an "Origins" movie for Doom.

[@RomaroBrandon]

It would be okay if it was set in an alternate universe instead of the main MCU aka Earth 616.

[@Elge703]

It’s not 616 it’s 199999

[@RomaroBrandon]

@@Elge703 not according to Multiverse of Madness

[@Elge703]

@@RomaroBrandon lol I’m not believing in their bs there’s only 1 616 🤷‍♂️

[@gaphdd1412]

​@@Elge703its the 199999 in the multiverse of comics, its the 616 in the movie multiverse, its not so hard to comprehend

[@Elge703]

@@gaphdd1412 it’s not but it’s a terrible decision

[@Wheaty03]

RDJ Dr Doom be like "I hate you 3000"

[@spider-jonah-man7148]

Nah bro Doom from Ironman armored adventures is peak, if you know you know.

[@lifeisberserk9566]

That version of Doom was terrifying and Mandarin was amazing in that show

[@atomicpunk2360]

I don’t get why they didn’t recast Kang if they already had done it with the Hulk. Clearly that’s not an issue. I will say this is something that definitely caught my attention and I’m curious to see how this plays out

[@joy4themightydonutchainsaw620]

I’ll wait for my judgment after Fantastic Four. I hope he keeps that mask on though.

[@insupportofjunhado]

I've watched six MCU films. I know that sounds like a big number, but it's not in this context. I won't be there opening weekend. That's not even because of the casting choice. If I had my way I would have seen at least seven MCU films, but they're not a huge priority.

[@mcleod56ify]

0:33 that was basically my reaction as well

[@miguelgarcia6170]

I guess because their movies were doing terrible they decided to bring back RDJ as their last resort to make money.

[@HostonHelps]

“Jared Leto”💀

[@weebmeister-harry]

You make a lot of great points and making me reconsider the idea of this. I open to it but now thanks you u made me realize how kinda disrespectful it is to Doom. Bro deserves so much more. I love u RDJ but I honestly believe there was some one else. They could’ve brought RDJ back for Superior Iron Man

[@light_in_the_darkkk]

"You're gonna be there opening weekend" LMAO, wanna bet?

[@thenew69gaming40]

4:39 Facts!!! imagine Superior Iron Man saying or doing something screwed up up bonus points if it's has anything to do with with MCU Spider-Man and then he says the iconic line "I'M NOT PLAYING GOD. ALL THIS TIME... I'VE BEEN PLAYING HUMAN." I guarantee you everybody in that movie theater is popping the Hell off and it's going to be that iconic iconic moment in the movie like Iron Man himself saying I am Iron Man or are Thanos saying you should have gone for the head.

[@Claude203]

Yeah, as a Marvel fanatic this doesn't sit right me, they could've chosen Cillian Murphy maybe, plus it might ruin RDJ's legacy as Iron Man.

[@choppyhakusho]

No it won't People are so judgemental and assumptive for no reason. Ignoring the potential behind this and leaps right to rant and make up negatives to fuel your need to hate to satisfy yourselves.

[@kail4997]

@@choppyhakusholook at time traveler here lmao

[@Claude203]

@@choppyhakusho Nah this isn't hate, just saying it's going to be distracting watching him perform because you'll remember he used to be Iron Man, personally I'd rather Marvel give someone else a shot at the role.

[@DeepRest420]

Let's just say storywise this is a huge misdirect and the REAL Doom shows up at some point. Who would play him? Are there any Romani actors out there that you think could pull this off?

[@theinvictussamaritan4778]

RDJ will kill it. Let's hope the writers are up to par.

[@Legacyartist]

We all know RDJ will kill it the question is can fans separate him from Tony Stark/Ironman. I think RDJ's Dr. Doom will hinge on weather we see his face. I think the best way to separate RDJ from his time as Ironman is to never see his face properly. If Disney can't do that and has face all over the place then the expectation is going to be he's a Ironman variant no matter how good he is as Doom.

[@benjiago6800]

this is like making a Thanos movie without making an Avengers movie first.

[@runny516age]

this is until we get the “MAIN” doom this is until we get the “MAIN” wolverine this is until we get the “MAIN” green goblin, doc ock, sandman, venom, electro, and lizard i hate the multiverse so much.

[@billybeeeeeeeeee]

I want RDJ to play it absolutely like Doom, like I want to leave the theater and go, "Holy shit was that even the same actor?" I want him to absolutely REDEFINE the way they make MCU movies moving forward.