RDNA 3 - AMD's Path To Victory

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[@sillychannel100]

Dude, so glad you're back on a more consistant basis. Moore's Law is dead carried the torch while you were away and I love his channel but there's no substitute for AdoredTV. Always excited to see a new video of yours drop. Your technical anaylisis is hands down best in the industry. Please keep em' comming.

[@dangodson5567]

MLID is garbage, he'll make 40 different claims on something and eventually claim he was right months later ignoring all the wrong stuff

[@chrisbillingham9164]

Feel that. I missed Jim and now I can enjoy both Moore's Law is Dead and AdoredTV. I can now die happy.

[@pspublic13]

@Boinz He does do that but he also gets amazing interviews with people who reveal things about the tech industry that you never see coverage anywhere else.

[@NightRogue77]

Agreed mostly, but personally I prefer Jim’s brand of humility, deep dives, and analysis. As OP says, there’s no substitute

[@NightRogue77]

@Boinz yeah that’s my biggest problem - the massive Ego and CONSTANT denigration of the ever-nebulous “some people” that are never identified, along with the suggestion that I, as a viewer, am retarded if I didn’t already know something because “OMFG dude I totally talked about this 1.25 yrs ago what the fuck is wrong with you don’t you watch every minute of everything I say???” @pspublic - yup lol this is true as well no doubt - although again he frequently let his ego invade his interviews… I don’t think anybody being interviewed gives a shit what he called and when he called it lol, but that’s the paradoxical nature of the channel for me… good content but jfc I just wish he’d jerk his chain OFF-camera a tiny bit more lol

[@InnuendoXP]

I can't remember a GPU launch being this divisive for ages!

[@liberteus]

And I can't understand why! Because this is good competition at a different price point, will offer alternatives to overpriced green team. It's like people wanted so much that AMD would "beat" Nvidia that they're disappointed and blame AMD for their self hyping. As a sff owner, I could fit a xtx in my rig, not have to change PSU, case, anything, and benefit immediately. I can't do that with Nvidia. Huge value for me. It's a plug and play replacement instead of having to rebuild everything around the new GPU. Really can't understand the fuss.

[@kadj79]

@@liberteus Totally agree, I will mostlikely change my RTX3090 for the RX7900XTX. It is a great value GPU!

[@TerraWare]

@@liberteus I think leakers are partially to blame and peoples inability to take any unofficial claims on the internet with a grain of salt. I see people in the comments in videos quoting leaker statements as if they are official because a particular leaker got something right in the past and many things wrong. I see what looks to be a pretty good generational improvement from AMD but people bought into the two and half times faster narrative and now they are upset.

[@MarkJones-gt2qd]

It is exactly what I wanted. If they came out with some ridiculous 4090 competition, it would be unaffordable and unusable for most of us. I just want 60fps at 4K; without dimming the lights in my neighborhood. The future looks bright too.

[@CorporalCookie]

@@liberteus Same here, got a small form factor case. I could fit the XTX in it and I think my 15mm fans would just and just fit over it still as well. I did not expect that.

[@andljoy]

even if the 7900xtx is 15-20 behind the 4090 if you look at the power and the price and the size of the bloody thing , its already a win in my book.

[@Soutar3DG]

A card that's about 85ish% the performance for $600 dollars less, it's a bargain for that.

[@liberteus]

That's why I don't understand what the fuss is about. 600USD buys a motherboard and cpu, along with ram. Instead of buying higher end Nvidia I'm going to buy parts, retire my current GPU and build a new rig for my kids. Or buy an IPS ultrawide screen. Something to make my whole setup better, not just fps that anyways are already way above 100 in any game in 4k with such monsters.

[@ssaini5028]

If AMD wants to make a 450-500 watt GPU than it would kill the 4090, but thats not the direction they want to take

[@freddyt55555]

@@liberteus The tiny pee-pee NVidia fanboys are making any kind excuse they can to justify paying 60% more on top of the price of 7900XTX to get that monstrosity that is the 4090.

[@-Ice_Cold-]

@@ssaini5028 Yeah, AMD would've made a such GPU monster with big power draw, if they would bring it to against 4090

[@unclerubo]

To be completely honest, I'm more excited about semi-regular videos by Jim than about GPU competition, and I'm cautiously excited about that.

[@Messametti]

Would be great to see this come to reality, hope they call the card then 7970.

[@tastysashimi]

or 7990XTX, they could then name the 7900XT refresh 7950XT

[@nicholassmile5800]

7970 3 ghz edition

[@skaltura]

That would be EPYC! :)

[@ghoulbuster1]

Ditch the numbers and call it the " Radeon BFG XT" Just to troll Nvidia even harder

[@ArtisChronicles]

7970 XTX would be such a nostalgic throwback. I'd ride that hype train.

[@xOxMAGxOx1]

Other tech KZbinrs “yeah the gpu good/bad” Adored TV detailed explanation on possible good or bad scenarios and I learn something new each video. Yeah no one dose it better.

[@redrock425]

Adored shows his working 😉

[@cadetsparklez3300]

besides gamers nexus and hardware unboxed, every other tech youtubers doesnt know what they are talking about, its just entertainment, same with most audio/keyboard or anything neighboring computers

[@jimtekkit]

I seem to recall that faceless Kopite7kimi clown and his Twitter post in May: "I am disappointed with RDNA3. That’s all." Everyone actually took that way too seriously and expected RDNA3 to be disappointing....

[@cadetsparklez3300]

@@jimtekkit they just reported on whatever information arrived, the clowns are the people which took it as fact

[@surferboyuk84]

It's the ZEN moment for Radeon it's going to be a game changer RDNA 4

[@romanpul]

What I found very interesting is that AMD started to integrate Xilinx technology into their GPU architecture. For now it‘s only for enhancing the encoding engine, but I think there is still a lot left which can be done with their FPGA technology in future generations

[@TheXev]

I want an FPGA in these cards just in case encoders can be "upgraded" in the future.. that'd kick so much ass.

[@a5cent]

This has become the only GPU channel worth watching. Well done Jim!

[@LunaWaves]

there are a few others for sure. I'm a Mac for example, great channel

[@BlueTJLP]

@@LunaWaves But I wouldn't waste my time with Moore's brain is dead

[@tuckerhiggins4336]

Moores Law is Dead

[@ShawFujikawa]

How is this a GPU channel? Jim talks about a whole range of stuff.

[@boredbastardbullshit]

@@tuckerhiggins4336 Good joke

[@DizConnected]

My last AMD GPU was a MSI HD 7950, I had to switch to an MSI 980 ti because crypto miners had bought up all the new AMD cards. I then bought a MSI 1070, which was not a good choice as it had the same performance as the 980 ti, then during the pandemic I was able to get a Zotac 3070 and was really happy with it, but a couple months later I got the opportunity to purchase the Zotac 3080 ti, it's been a great card but it is a lot louder and hotter, I GAVE the 3070 and an older system I had to a friend that couldn't afford a system at the time. I could have sold just the 3070 for over $1000 at time of the pandemic. I would have bought a RTX 4090 FE but they sold out and have been out of stock ever since. I think I'm going to give the 7900xtx a shot this time around. Oh I forgot to mention that both Zotac cards were bought directly from Zotac, not disgusting scalpers, I will NEVER buy from scalpers.

[@johanndaart7326]

You are a great friend! :)

[@TheHighborn]

i recommend waiting a bit with the xtx partner cards, & reviews so you can make a well informed deccission.

[@adriancruz88]

Never have I clicked on a video faster than today ! The hero we deserve 💪

[@Germanas1985]

me too :D i see jims vid - grabing popcorn - enjoying it!

[@heinzbongwasser2715]

Hehe

[@Noisy_Cricket]

Especially after Cortex's crazy freakout lol.

[@FlaviaPitariu]

Amd usually launches their xx50 when the process matures to limit the error margin from the silicon wafer. They are so efficient at silicon wafer use as they proved in the CPU chips. Sadly I'm on sapphire 6900xt nitro SE+ so I don't need to upgrade for about 3 years at least

[@SebastianE18]

you could always sell it and put that money towards the new thing. New hardware is incredibly enticing, I have an RTX 3080 and am incredibly excited to see how the 7000 series looks once we get reviews in.

[@5izzy557]

Sadly? That's a great card, enjoy every moment, many including myself would love to have one of those badboys.

[@makavelismith]

I'll happily take your sadness. My vega 56 is tragic in comparison.

[@SebastianE18]

@@makavelismith hey now, the Vega 56 was my last Radeon card and it was super fun to under volt and over clock. I had a good few years with that card.

[@makavelismith]

@@SebastianE18 Ya, it's a decent card but it is a bit under-powered for my 1440 144hz monitor for a lot of games. I am thinking I may grab a 6800XT soon and keep this as a backup, in case something goes wrong.

[@EthelbertCoyote]

It could be AMD is luring card makers based on EVGA leaving NVIDIA. AMD is maybe making the base and staying out of the high end for their makers to get a bit more margin?

[@Magjee]

I think so, partner could have 3x 8pins and push the limits to best the 4080 in performance and price. No disrespect, lol

[@EthelbertCoyote]

@@Magjee In the end AMD is a "boring execution machine" in that they want to sell chips, not boards as chips are where the margins are. AMD I think is clearly willing to bin the best chips for partners to make margin because by selling the lower bin chips themselves they are still making money and it's not about the ego of "best flagship" in referfence design like NVIDIA. Winning a war is not about victory all the time, it's about choosing and winning the right vicories. Time and time again the best tech companies have lost to rivals with all around better execution. Drifting from what customers want to empower new markets has helped NVIDIA massively but... there is a break point there. Ray tracing and higher costs are features abliet negative ones for average markets not the professional high end ones, add design flaws and now is an aweful time for NV to srew up.

[@doc7000]

This is what I think might be happening here, that AMD had a chance to not push their chips in their reference cards giving AIBs a chance to offer something that gives a good bump in power. Still it in impressive that this 7900XTX will be getting near 4090 performance as a starting point with some 3GHz AIB cards as stated using 3 8 pin connectors pushing power up to over 400 watts.

[@kamata93]

EVGA should go to AMD

[@VoldoronGaming]

Partners have off the record have stated that it is easier to make margin off AMD cards than nvidia cards.

[@RandomlyDrumming]

Hey Jim, great video as always. While I do agree with you that the 7950 XT(X) is likely incoming, I doubt it would be a larger die. What I think it would be (at best) is a 7900 XTX with a stacked cache and higher clock speeds (but not by much, most likely 2.5GHz for shaders, and 2.6-2.7GHz for front end, offering 15% or something performance uplift. Effectively beating 4090 in raster performance, but losing to a hypothetical 4090Ti. As for the leak confirming that RDNA 3 silicon was designed to hit 3GHz and up, I think that we'll see clock speeds closer to 3GHz only with some AIB cards and only with Navi 32 or 33, but no Navi 31 (due to sheer number of transistors and complexity).

[@RobBCactive]

If the GCD is NOT bandwidth starved, they need the MLiD source tipped larger GCD to face 4090 Ti full AD102 die. As is winning raster by a little won't cover for RT losses

[@SoundwaveSinus9]

yeah i dont think it will be double the cores like Adored says but an increase is possible

[@gulanhem9495]

@@SoundwaveSinus9 They won't do a mid-gen refresh and design a new gigantic die to only serve as the very high-end option at the $500 price segment. It's ridiculous. This prediction is just more empty hopes and dreams for poor AMD fans who just can't get enough of embarrasment on review day.

[@gulanhem9495]

I meant 1500 dollar segment.

[@SoundwaveSinus9]

@@gulanhem9495 dont put word into my mouth never said they create a gigantic chip

[@GL-jo4bk]

Finally the man has made his appearance. I've been interested in our Scot's assessment compared to Coreteks disappointment. In my own opinion I do believe it will be not as powerful as the 4090 so really depends on how much you want to spend. This is obviously based on the standard AMD cards. But I do believe they are holding something back and expect something more powerful next year. Either way I am not worried and in no rush, I managed to get a 3070 at the correct price and happy with it for now based on my current hardware.

[@reubenabela3063]

its not a matter of personal belief, amd has already stated xtx is a 4080 competitor

[@sudeshryan8707]

What is this madness of xtx being 4090 competitor @$1000 when amd itself said its a 4080 competitor

[@slim420MM]

There's a 7950xt.

[@geekinasuit8333]

IMO Coreteks deserved the roasting he got over his highly critical video of RDNA 3. It was poorly considered and completely off the mark in more than one way. He's not considering that the XTX is not a 4090 competitor or considering other issues such as pricing, energy use, and market placement, and has doubled down on his highly critical view by posting a very long pinned response to all the criticism and dislikes he's been getting from his own fans. Edit: the other thing Coreteks seems to have missed, is that unlike Nvidia, AMD continues to rely on 3rd party card makers (AIBs) to sell the majority of their GPUs. AMD had released reference cards that is not intended to compete with AIBs, but Coreteks seems to have forgtten this. For certain, we'll see 3rd party cards with higher clock speeds that push performance further up.

[@krizby87]

@@geekinasuit8333 Lol, yes AMD rely on AIB to make faster card, at much higher prices, so the 1000usd MSRP is just as fake as when rx6000 launched, more likely AIB cards will be selling at 1200usd Nvidia forced the AIBs to sell lots of SKUs at MSRP since their FE is so good.

[@opinali]

We shouldn't forget that NVidia had the benefit of jumping two full process nodes in a single generation, I'd be shocked if the perf boost was NOT dramatic. But next time, it's not likely that they will benefit even from a single full node; this stuff is now moving slower in particular if you consider price - going forward, each new bleeding-edge node is significantly more expensive than the previous one (Huang himself made that point, saying "moore's law is dead", in a recent interview to justify their prices). Ada, even at MSRP, is already stretching what NVidia fans are willing to pay in a down market without the excuses of peak pandemic and supply crisis. NVidia also doesn't have space to grow in TDP. The rumor of 600W or more was just a rumor this time, but next generation they'll need to go there even with a half-node bump. What's next, a 5-slot GPU requiring integrated high-end liquid cooling / $2K MSRP and even higher AIB street prices? And I'm not even talking the halo SKU, that's where they might land with the 5080 or certainly the 5080ti.

[@NightKev]

"What's next, a 5-slot GPU requiring integrated high-end liquid cooling" While it's fun to poke at Nvidia, let's at least be realistic; any card with water cooling is not going to be absurdly massive. They already have 1-slot water cooled 4090s, it's the radiator that would possibly need to increase in size but that's less of an issue (for standard size ATX cases anyway).

[@VADemon]

Next you stick the motherboard into the GPU.

[@JJFX-]

Nvidia jumped from a budget Samsung node to the same 5nm node AMD is using only it's 'optimized' for their power requirements and given a suspicious name which keeps making people forget its not TSMC's 4nm node. The 4090 is this powerful because it's a monster die with a lot more cache crammed in and given effectively unlimited power headroom (which is very out of character for them).

[@AlucardArkaine]

@@JJFX- I made a acomment based around exactly this. The 4N is pretty much just a name saying it is a cuntom Nvidia node.

[@JJFX-]

@@AlucardArkaine Yeah and it's not unusual for silicon fabs to optimize a manufacturing process for their big clients but it's not a new node. It's unclear exactly why 4N is called that because there's little public information but I think it's safe to say the marketing dept. has something to do with it. I do know Techpowerup changed all the Ada GPU listings to "4 nm" from 5 after the keynote and they don't seem interested in correcting it.

[@suibora]

I watched you all the way back in 2014 with your coverage of polaris and predictions of zen's chiplet approach. That analysis was so thorough and beautifully technical. It all made sense. If only I had some money to invest in AMD. It was around $2-$4 back then and now its at $62 😭😭 Thanks for being here!

[@johnvs7169]

A video you don't want to skip a single second, quality information in a professional presentation. Keep them coming.

[@Bayonet1809]

I'm hopeful that 'designed for 3GHz' rumour is real and these cards can overclock their way past the 4090. Would justify the massive AIB cards and waterblocks.

[@CorporalCookie]

Wasnt this discussed in one of the PCWorld videos from the event and confirmed? I might remember wrong.

[@misthafalls]

@@CorporalCookie yeah someone spoke a bit too much in a PCWorld Q&A

[@invalid8774]

heavily doubt it. Iirc the last hardware that you could daily overclock by a ghz was the 2700k. With modern boosting algorithms there are hardly any gains left on the table. Maybe you can just remove the powerlimit with a hack and see how the boost algorithm goes BRRRRR but you better be prepared to supply 700w to that GPU.

[@misthafalls]

​@@invalid8774 I recommend you watch the live hangout video on Level1Techs at 2850 seconds. Jarred spoke a bit too much there, the face and eye movement of Wendell says it all. In the video Jarred speaks about the fact that the cards are designed up to 3Ghz. So there is the possibility for board partners to wring out more performance of it. However everything ties in to the power draw and that will definitely be higher. Anyways exciting times are ahead that is for sure :)

[@dex6316]

Lovelace can also hit 3GHz. The 4090 can hit 3GHz at under 600 watts. It literally needs more voltage to clock higher and hit the 600 watt 133% power limit.

[@RobBCactive]

There IS an NDA breach out after Q&A where scaling to 3GHz was mentioned. (PC World with Jarred of TH) I do suspect that the optimisation for area and power has left many dies nor reaching the hoped for clock speeds. Secondly, MLiD has a larger GCD leak Navi 3+/4 leak, it backs the video analysis. As is the GPU seems to be butting up against CPU/software bottle necks.

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

Incredible that Zen 4/Raptor Lake appear to have been GPU bottlenecked when they launched, and graphics cards immediately go back to being CPU bottlenecked. Everything's advancing rapidly. Great time to be in the space.

[@SoundwaveSinus9]

i think its by design to some degree. Better to lose the crown but have good prices and a good power budget when electricity costs are so high. If they plan a super high end card like Adored says. then the focus should be on this from AMD and the current 7900 cards are for the people who want a "budget" with "low" power budget

[@RobBCactive]

3 years ago you wouldn't expect a joke BFGPU at $1,500 to sell well to gamers. To me the Nvidia high end is ridiculous due to rebuild requirement, I'm happy with 1440p. It seems perfectly plausible that the expected 7800xt became a 7900xt with the xtx intended against a 4080Ti priced at $1,200.

[@cy-one]

@@RobBCactive Considering how long I've been tormenting my 2070 with my 4k screen (gpu performance does not meet the demand), I'll probably get one of these new AMD cards and be good for the next 5 years :D

[@gulanhem9495]

@@SoundwaveSinus9 lol, the 7900XTX will cost 1400 euros. People with that money to spend on hardware do not care about the slightly increased electricity bill caused by a powerful GPU.

[@stayedfaded]

I was able to upgrade my 1080 ti from 2018 with a used 6900 XT Red Devil Ultimate this past September for $599. If I'm able to get another 4 years out of this upgrade cycle I'm looking forward to getting 7950 XT level performance for the same price in the future used market.

[@meekmeads]

Sell the 6900 xt then buy the next one with the proceeds :D

[@spitfire1789]

the 6900xt is gonna eat up every single rasterized game on 1440p for the next 5 years

[@TheHighborn]

@@spitfire1789 that sounds reasonable. my vega64 is still going pretty strong. I wont to swap more for vanity than actual *_need_*

[@nedegt1877]

Remember, AMD made it a thing to sandbag performance and true potentials at its launch events. December can't come soon enough.

[@tragicevans4157]

AdoredTV: Explain.... The Verge: Write it down, write it down....

[@diablosv36]

I don't think a lot of people realise that the 4080 16GB is a lot weaker than the 4090, like not much faster than the 3090Ti, this is based off Nvidias own figures which literally show only about 10% difference in a "plagues tale". Even their RT examples show only about a 20% improvement. so the 7900xtx will be up to like 40% faster than a 4080 in raster and about 20% weaker in RT. This will be basically be the same situation down the stack below the 4080, unless Nvidia does some big changes in pricing.

[@Wh0am131]

I just hope most people who look at what AMD is doing especially in regards to pricing realize they should give them a chance. This hope for AMD to match the 4090 but also be priced at 1000 so Nvidia would lower the price is what has gotten us in this situation. This means pricing for cards can finally start coming back down to reality.

[@tyrekewilson8468]

Love that you're back! ❤️

[@WcSuka]

great video as always. Chiplets are the way forward in gpu just as they are in cpu. Better yields, infinite binning and recycling options. Can't wait to see how far this goes

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

"They can win. They just have to want it." Based on your analysis, I have to agree! Good to hear there's old ATI Radeon blood from their glory days still at the reins. Bring the competition, AMD. We all win when you do.

[@Chsae314]

Another Adored TV video? Let's go!

[@Dysphoricsmile]

3:55 YES! This is what is so interesting to me, FIRRSTLY their GPU has a listed spec of 6144 Shaders - which means they are somehow double pumped like Fermi was, and the Decoupled front end is an odd choice in my eyes. Especially since no one really had any issues getting the 6900 XT to game at ~2.5 GHZ with coupled front end and shaders.

[@t3h51d3w1nd3r]

Great vid, hope to keep hearing from you regularly

[@jagheterhopp]

We need AdoredTV now more than ever, I'm sure many here have missed you and your splendid videos.

[@michelvanbriemen3459]

I'm looking forward to the inevitable extra version which they'll probably call the RXX 7900 XTXTX

[@MarkJones-gt2qd]

They've certainly been saving the 50 addendum for later...

[@alaeriia01]

That's like the "4090 Ti Super Ti" I came up with at work. It's the size of a NZXT H510 case and has its own PSU on board, so you can plug it directly into the wall for its dedicated 1000 watt requirement.

[@pf100andahalf]

That can't be right because it's clearly not enough X's.

[@kintustis]

XRXX 9990 XXXTZTXX Plus Pro MaXXX Xtreme Edition

[@MarkJones-gt2qd]

@@pf100andahalf X's are cheap.

[@Johnmoe_]

$1000~$1100 is my absolute limit for gpu price, but for those who need that kind of performance this is good news. Also, glad your back making videos Adored! Hope to see you again next year for the 7950 launch.

[@mackay250]

Glad to see you happy and back Jim. Great video

[@weskerend507]

Great video! Excited for what's to come next.

[@Clancyfan004]

Thanks as always Jim

[@Lonewanderer30]

This video aged like fine milk......

[@thomasalbertsen3159]

Soooo good to have you back. Always great analysis

[@wesmids04lo41]

Yes a delight to watch your vlog post.

[@bmcginnis6543]

Very excited to see how this plays out. I haven't had an AMD/ATI in a very long time!

[@mattgreenfield8038]

AMD fell farther behind this generation. If you can't afford a 4090, then but a 3090. AMD is getting crushed

[@rnbpl]

Same. My last Radeon was a 4870. They just can't put together a decent product, it seems.

[@ThatNorma]

@@mattgreenfield8038 what a pathetic baseless comment from an obvious fanboy. None of what you wrote makes any sense

[@johnnyboogalo4897]

@@mattgreenfield8038 With 7900xtx around corner,why would anyone get a useless 3090? 7900xtx crushes it and the 3090ti and is cheaper.3000 series cards have not really dropped in price unless you want used mining one off ebay or something.Anyone wasting money on 3090 or 3080 with 7900xtx around the corner is a fool.

[@mattgreenfield8038]

@@johnnyboogalo4897 This AMD thing should be called a 7800XTX. Since it only competes with 4080. Last gen AMD sold 1000$ 6900XT that was actually toe to toe with Nvidias best 1500$ 3090. This gen, AMD still wants their 1000$, but cant compete with 4090. Only an AMD fanboy would think this was good. Nvidia is curb stomping this chiplet disaster AMD made this gen. What a disappointment for AMD. Coreteks called it best.

[@MrJacker1991]

Great video like always. Glad to see videos from you more frequently. To me this looks like a Zen 1 moment for AMD GPUs, looking forward to the next couple of years. Cheers!

[@siriusargus6766]

Love your out of the box analysis and speculation on Tech!

[@RepsUp100]

Very informative, thanks Jim.

[@GonthorianDX]

Two GCDs would have made the thing much more promising I'm sure, but we'll have to see the actual benchmarks to see the actual performance

[@jimtekkit]

Unlike the dime-a-dozen "experts" on KZbin comments and forums, your predictions are actually well-supported and take into account hidden details that most people wouldn't notice. It really does seem like Radeon haven't played all their cards yet and the battle for the high-end isn't over.

[@PanduPoluan]

Both Wang and Dr. Su wants RTG to win again. But Dr. Su is very patient and plays the long game. The strategy works for Ryzen, EPYC, Ryzen mobile, and seems to be working as well for RTG. (Besides, lest anyone forgets: Dr. Su practically 'wrote the book' on heterogeneous multichip architecture when she was with IBM)

[@aaronlangel1408]

keep it up jim..nice to see your video twice in a row atleast in weeks your tech is the best in youtube

[@JDOverclock]

Waiting on that monster of GPU! I hope they name it RX 7970 XTX!

[@Under6001]

I'm hoping for a 7990 XTX like the old 7990 dual gpu card.

[@tuckerhiggins4336]

I saw someone math out bandwidth for rdna 3. They came to the conclusion that Amd's L3 cache was as fast as Lovelace's L2 cache. I'll restate, they said Amds off die cache was as fast as the L2 on die cache in Lovelace. Very cool of true

[@invalid8774]

Somehow I doubt that. Do you have a link?

[@tuckerhiggins4336]

@@invalid8774 I would if I could find it again

[@ValentineC137]

My favorite part was the crowd making absolutely no noise for the Halo Infinite ray tracing announcement

[@olternaut]

The 4090 Ti is going to be literally a fire hazard. For safety sake customers should consider the 7950 XTX when it debuts next year.

[@jerrywatson1958]

Thanks Jim, I've missed your analysis. I recently bought RDNA2 a Sapphire Toxic 6900XT. I am VERY HAPPY with it's performance vs. my 5700XT. I got a 50% discount so I can wait for the 7950XTX and save up my money for a high end Ryzen 7000 v-cache cpu and motherboard. But since I have a 5800X3D I may just get the gpu and wait for motherboard prices and maybe cpu prices to drop next fall. It's the monitors that will have to keep up in the future. It seems now you have to upgrade every two years. LOL

[@TsunTzu]

Hey, a 1080ti replacement...finally. And first time back on team red since Ruby was a thing. The X1900XT was neat. Hopefully AMD kicks some butt this cycle and the next.

[@leonredd]

Them were the good days they should bring back ruby

[@munki037]

From now on I like every video I see. And old ones I rewatch

[@PsychRian]

Excellent, as always, Jim!

[@HankBaxter]

Bang on the money! Your analysis makes the most sense of everything I've seen yet. It was pretty obvious AMD was sandbagging with that really vague presentation. And judging from the insane amount of speculation and analysis from every tech channel, they've really hit the mark with regard to their strategy. I'm sure Nvidia is onto it by now, though.

[@WayStedYou]

They better call the bigger card the 7970 xt if they do decide to put one out.

[@sasquatchcrew]

hell ya

[@TRHardware]

Thank You, Jim! Glad that you made this video. Makes me more hopefull, that this was not the best AMD could do!

[@vitormoreno1244]

As always, an awesome analysis.

[@mik310s]

I think they have placed this card well, if they competed with the 4090 most people would still buy the 4090. Now they can choose a cheaper card with similar raster performance but much cheaper.

[@lettyTVXD]

thank you so much Jim i always get Graphics Core Next excited when you Terascale it up with your RDNA analysis A'lright guys i know where the door is...

[@OfficialNakatsuMegami]

Love the video Jim, you are killing it with your journalism. All the love in the world you!

[@JBG84]

The nightmare of Bulldozer came straight to mind too, Jim

[@mohiz2754]

Hi AdoredTv, good to see you back. But I have to disagree with your 24k shader GCD analysis. This one might be saved for RDNA4. Instead i believe AMD have a 15k shader setup on hand for the theoretical 7990xtx because last year there is a rumor that AMD were testing this configuration before it is died down and replaced with the current 12k shader GCD setup. This will be possible if AMD use 2x Navi32 GCD in one package. Hell they can even retain 6 MCD in this setup if AMD use 24 Gbps GDDR6 memory announced recently by Samsung. How about that ?

[@alouisschafer7212]

Its not even on the shelf yet but I would say RDNA3 is a full success. Better than RDNA2 in all aspects of a GPU and actually cheaper MSRP: 6900XT was 999$ and the 7900XT is 899$. Performance will the somewhere in the middle between a 6900XT and a 4090 probably closer to the 4090 especially with SAM enabled.

[@andersjjensen]

You're letting product monikers fool your sense of pricing. The 6900XT was the full die. The 7900XTX is the full die. BUT.. you get 8GB VRAM more, so the pricing has indeed improved beyond generational performance gain.

[@foodieontour]

You put your finger really where it hurts... highly appreciated, especially compared to the drizzle out there

[@ghost_of_m403]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Your outlook is interesting. I can't say I see the same things but it will be interesting to see how things develop for sure.

[@Dysphoricsmile]

AMD is listing specs at 6144 Shaders, so I REALLY want to know how this whole "Dual Issue SIMD" works. Because if the Shaders were normal, 6144 SP at 2.5 GHZ = ~30.6 TFLOPs. I really want to dig into the meat of this new architecture. It would also seem they have a PROPER RT core now, as well as AI Accelerators like Nvidia.

[@dex6316]

It comes down to shared resources, and AMD website designers either not understanding the architecture or AMD wanting to win with a smaller number. It has 12288 shaders based on the definition of shaders since unified shaders were a thing. Half of the shaders are fed with a Thread Level Parallelism (TLP) approach. This means spamming threads at the shaders until they are well utilized. Some threads are complex and could use more resources. With these threads an Instruction Level Parallelism (ILP) approach is taken to fill the other half of shaders. ILP breaks down the thread into the instructions generating “mini-threads” (instructions hence the name) to fill the execution block. Fermi below the flagships GPUs and Kepler from Nvidia used an ILP approach to feed 1/3 of their shaders. These GPUs were well utilized. AMD with VLIW5 (HD 3000-5000 and some 6000/7000) would use ILP across 5 shaders getting an average utilization of 3.4. AMD likely saw Nvidia getting a lot of crap for doubling shaders in Ampere and getting nowhere near that performance increase. This could explain why the engineers cut the shaders in half if the website is intentionally mislabeled.

[@Dysphoricsmile]

@@dex6316 I get what you're saying, but AMD's slides even showed 64 "Dual Issue SIMD" per CU - which again, would add up to 6144. AMD's website still has 6144 Sp with 384 TMU listed, same with Techpowerup. IF AMD had doubled the shader count equal to the TMU count, it would have been 768 TMU. AMD mentions "Dual Issue SIMD" many times - all of this adds up to 6144 being the actual number, but they seem capable of 2x throughput per clock in some manner that has yet to be understood. Also, to go from 5120 Sp to 12,288 Sp with ONLY a ~1.6x improvement overall and ~1.5x in RT, well then that means RT perf is not even equal to the number of (legacy) CUs the 7900 XTX has increased from the 6950 XT. (But the perf per watt increase is still insane regardless) At 96 full "legacy" CU the RT uplift is much more impressive. Regardless, lots of very interesting details for any true tech nerd. Could be you are right, and I am wrong. But either way, I want to know how they got those gains in FP32 and more. I still NEED to know what AMD means by "Dual Issue SIMD" but it really seems to point to 6144 shaders at 2x clock frequency.

[@pvalpha]

Love the analysis! I definitely enjoyed hearing this point of view! Now... what happens when AMD figures out how to properly couple GCDs? LOL. Still, if you're right and they have a 500mm GCD in the works, that would be awesome. Not the kind of card I'd want to put down money for, but totally would be one of those moments when I'd have to wonder if Jensen's desk will end up with a dent from where he bangs his head against it in frustration. Nvidia isn't going to be able to conjure an MCM system in another generation or two even if they have been working on it for a while. I was also curious if AMD looked at the latency and decided to try to up the speed of the interposer and MCDs at the cost of the shader clocks? Don't know if something like that would even be possible - but it seems that if they'd have some issues with bottlenecks due to interchip latency you'd want to be able to put more power to that if you could. Keep the front-end at 2.5ghz, but then 2.3 for the shaders... and maybe overdrive the interposer and MCDs a bit to try to cut down on latency? Especially since this is going to be the first GPU we're seeing with a MCM design, I can imagine there's some bugs that need to be worked out on the driver side. So why not release the card as a 4080 competitor and then laugh as the bugs get worked out. I think this is going to be one of those generations that get a lot better with age.

[@shepardpolska]

For Nvidia to match a theoretical 500mm2 GCD from AMD with the same lead they have now, they would need something like a 1000mm2 die, which they cannot make and would be ridiculusly expensive if they could. If AMD really does make massive GCDs, then Nvidia cannot compete either in performence or price. AMD will just brute force stuff with more silicone then Nvidia can

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

Gotta get a 7770 3GHz Edition for nostalgia's sake.

[@MSquared135]

This channel fills a much needed void in technical GPU discussion on youtube. Thank you.

[@fredd3.14]

amd didnt reference 8k, they referenced ultra widescreen 8k while disguising it as 8k. way less pixels than real 8k. but yeah i see amd winning next gen. I hope atleast!

[@dawienel1142]

Great video as always Jim, I'm already eyeing the 7900XTX as an upgrade over my 3080Ti for 4k 120+ FPS gaming. the 4090's melting and my 750watt PSU says no to Nvidia this time round.

[@randommcranderson5155]

>upgrading $1000 video card to new $1000 video card >worried about budget for a new PSU

[@dawienel1142]

@@randommcranderson5155 Not warried, just looking at better options, so I either stick with what I have or see what's coming from AMD, the 4090 would also cover my 2nd PCIe slot which I will use for more NVME storage since its a x8 PCIE 4.0 slot. So its more than the 750watt PSU, I can also sell my 3080Ti to a friend if I want to. I'm not desperate just tempted by a similarly priced, sized and lower power consumption GPU which may potentially give me 40% more rasterized performance and I'm already on a 5800x3D (B550) so SAM would get a decent boost as well. I may have been worried if I didn't have the below: 3080Ti Time alternative options a 5800x3D on a B550 board Already maxed out my platform with 32GB RAM I'm just tempted by the 7900XTX more than a 4090 and if I buy, it would probably not be on launch day but closer to a year afterwards. Which is normally my buying schedule since I wait for drivers to mature and for me to feel like I actually NEED it since for now its just a want.

[@randommcranderson5155]

@@dawienel1142 thats a lot of words to say you don't really have a budget problem and can afford a new power supply for your new $1000 video card replacing your last $1000 video card.

[@ladrok97]

@@randommcranderson5155 But Nvidia is at least 60% pricer at the start. Add to it PSU and probably Nvidia costs you 80% more than 7900xtx. I don't see why you are confused about it

[@dawienel1142]

@@randommcranderson5155 Having the budget and feeling the need to do something is very different, I just don't feel like spending another $200+ on a 1000watt PSU.

[@Alauz]

Nice I also think that next year is going to be even more interesting when the Zen 4 X3D launches.

[@HellsPerfectSpawn]

Holy hell did AMD cherry pick their benchmarks in their presentation. This actually clearly demonstrates a shortcoming of a chiplet design. If you have tiny logic chips then you are effectively reducing the area which is possible to transfer heat out of while keeping the heat produced nearly the same. So problems like local hotspots and disparities of thermal constraints are exacerbated.

[@Danmandingo]

*"Bu-bu-but... It's NOT stacking up, to the card that costs $600 MORE..."* 🤣 *Or the upcoming 4090TI, that'll probably cost $2000* 🤪

[@defectiveclone8450]

So glad you made a follow up.. Awesome reporting as always and it points to the rumors of the infinity cashe option that still could be in the works.

[@RyugaHidekiOrRyuzaki]

I suppose I'm glad I'm still subscribed to this channel. Welcome back Jim.

[@SRS13Rastus]

LTT mentioned in one of their vids the Asus TUF 7900XTX APPARENTLY has 3 power connectors, increasing the theoretical max TBP from 375W to 525W. Could this mean 500W AIB cards with 25-30% performance vs the AMD reference cards? If true it looks to me as though the AIB cards COULD be 3GHz+. 3GHz would push it to 73TFlops 3.2Ghz would mean 78TFlops and 3.5GHz puts it over 86TFlops kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4Skmqajd52dq5Y (2:45 for their extrapolated results and 6:52 for the TUF card) They also extrapolated performance based on AMD's percentages for the reference cards showing potentially a mere 1fps loss in CBP 2077, 7fps loss in CODMW2 and 12fps loss in Watchdogs Legions. IF LTT are right then AMD have just handed AIB's a reason for higher prices than the reference cards, increased performance vs the reference cards (4090 founders ed vs AIB cards is utterly pointless at 1-2 frames per second, 3-5 fps even with overclocking), and a reason for consumers to be EXITED by AIB cards performance instead of mere asthetics. EVGA claimed on Ampere they were losing HUNDREDS of dollars on the 30 series top tier cards. Seems like AMD just gace THEIR AIB's a huge slice of the pie AND room for decent profits at th same time... OFC we'll not know for certain till we see ACTUAL benchmarks from BOTH reference and AIB versions.

[@sbrader97]

Im still cautiously optimistic the 3ghz might only be possible on the lower monolthic models dont know yet if the clocks was limited by this much below 3ghz due to the chiplets or if its just purely for power savings

[@SRS13Rastus]

@@sbrader97 IF LTT are right about the extra 8 pin PCIE connector then there's possibly a 40% boost in available power. In PCworld vid with Frank Azor, Frank flat out stated "The reference 7900XTX cards will be the lowest perfoming cards in the RDNA 3 lineup". For reference Nvidia's 4090 founders ed is 1fps slower than the AIB models and 3-5 fps slower with a 33% power increase in MSI afterburner, HUB did some tests showing this and also that the power (actual usage) went from ~430W to just 508W and ACTUAL increase of just 16% NOT the requested 33%. So as I mentioned above and the leaked slide showed IF RDNA3 WAS designed for 3GHz+ then a 40% increase in available power could WELL see the 7900XTX hit 3GHz or more.. Bear in mind as well the 4090 CAN do just above 3GHz and it's got 16K cuda cores not 13K... Just sayin....

[@sbrader97]

@@SRS13Rastus The 4090 can draw upto 600w but with nvidias voltage limit it doesnt hit the tdp as the limiting factor so hopefully amd doesnt screw overclocking with limitations like that there is confirmed aib model with 3x 8 pin but at this moment its speculation if it will mean they can scale to 3ghz+ with that power or if theres further limitations to the clocks like the chiplets just unknown right now what the limit is. Hopefully they allow control of both the shader and front end clocks too

[@bluetech2809]

Hmmm awkward

[@celdur4635]

Jim, you know you are too good at this right? Its good to have you back!

[@redrosecounty]

Path to victory is a bit early to call right now but yes, I love that AMD are stepping up to the plate with very decent performing (not the fastest), well priced, energy efficient cards. One day hope they can take the crown for performance. For now I buy the best at the time and my 3080 was indeed that when it first came out.

[@xevilmx]

Well this video aged like milk.

[@adoredtv]

In what way?

[@krizby87]

@@adoredtv aged like fine milk, RDNA4 will compete with 4090Ti

[@perschistence2651]

I totally agree, and I hope AMD is doing this because they definitely can win and they should. It's all about the mind share.

[@notalostnumber8660]

I love your voice, you can make any topic interesting

[@Travis_Montgomery]

I adore this channel

[@TimBaoht]

Is launching a card not pushed to it's limits just a big 'ol lure for EVGA???

[@HoldMeForever]

I don't give a damn about AMD winning or Nvidia coming out on top. All I want is a card I can afford, not a card that costs twice+ as much as my entire system.

[@2Telos]

what a great video!Thank you

[@TheHighborn]

Wait two videos from the king in a week? Nice

[@CharcharoExplorer]

Nah at best we will get a respun 7900 XTX Navi 31 chip with 1-hi stacked Infinity Cache and higher clocks. Maybe 20ish percent more performance. Nothing more than that.

[@purpleguy3000]

Watching the launch it felt like a warning shot to Nvidia. It feels like they're almost poking at Nvidia with those die size slides, as long as the 7900 XTX gets within a good window of the 4090 then they must know they're stuck in a checkmate. Even with a 4090 Ti's potential performance it's going to come with low availability and an absurd power budget which AMD can very easily counter. Nvidia must be shitting bricks

[@leorickpccenter]

well done, this is how i see it as well. Things i've been hearing about an RDNA3+ refresh. Although i really worry about high prices. I'm still waiting to see what the mid range and perhaps entry level would be like.

[@pf100andahalf]

This is the video I was waiting for.

[@jaroslavzaruba2765]

"We'll get'em next time boys!" seems to be AMD's catch phrase :( dismissing RT is rather silly IMO, GPUs aren't only about gaming

[@Soutar3DG]

If you want a GPU that's not for gaming, they want you to get one of their CDNA cards instead.

[@maydaygoingdown5602]

Yeah agree, It's always next time, never now.

[@Bayonet1809]

How does AMD's RT help in workstation tasks? Nvidia has optix rendering with their RT cores, but AMD's are useless, so why emphasise them?

[@sudeshryan8707]

For 99% of consumers gpus are only about gaming genius and be ready to cry when it annihilates 4080 😅

[@liquidcorundum6568]

​@@Soutar3DG That seems to be the case, yes. AMD's competitors (especially NVIDIA) put more effort into supporting general-purpose computing on their consumer-grade graphics cards. Even if individual users like me wanted to get CDNA cards for our own desktops or home labs, they don't seem to be sold for that purpose at any retailer I'm aware of.

[@mhh3]

RDNA3 is a fail tbh. it's neither more efficient than ADA or more powerfull. what makes it a fail is pricing. AMD simply price matching Nvidia is the worst thing that can happen to the gpu market and AMD beeing at around 10% market share makes me wonder why they didn't take advantage with low pricing after seeing nvidias milking.

[@Kylethejobber]

I'm so happy you're back all the other KZbin's don't compare to you

[@holdthetruthhostage]

AdoreTV Tech Info Champion

[@Lightsaglowllc]

Well this aged like milk....

[@adoredtv]

I literally said 20% slower than the 4090, it's around 25% slower...

[@rx58000]

@@adoredtv when choosing between 100,000 car vs 110,000 car price shouldn't be a factor . Competitive price only matters at 200-500$

[@adoredtv]

@@rx58000 So you agree the 7900 XTX is better than the 4080?

[@rx58000]

@@adoredtv if 7900 xtx was ~54% faster than 6950 xt then I would have said yes . But the XTX is Whitney plastic card with worse power efficiency . This card is making 4080 look good

[@adoredtv]

@@rx58000 Sure, so long as you're content with the slower card.