Classical Composer Reacts to Shoemaker (Nightwish) | The Daily Doug (Episode 235)

[@TimoArula]

"Shoemaker" has become a favorite song of NASA's scientific community. Tuomas has a deep inclination towards science and this is reflected in many of his plays. This ensured the entry of Nightwish into the history books of science, several discoveries in the field being named after them. These new discoveries include: Alpenglow Rockshelter: Archaeological site named after Nightwish Song. Tanidromites Nightwishorun: New Crab species. Sciophila Holopaineni: New species of Mosquito found in Finland. Ophiomitrella Floorae: New species of Cretaceous brittle star named after Floor Jansen. Tmesisternus floorjansenae: new species of beetle named after Floor. NWSU 🤘😎🤘.

[@k.l.7788]

And there is a camel called Emppu. ☺️

[@michaelstaruszkiewicz8798]

@@kv6uf I do believe that Tuomas' Collegiate Degree is in Environmental Science so that makes sense,

[@gamesandguitars354]

Wow! That's interesting and so cool !

[@4211234]

What is that true?! i would love to see that!

[@JariJuslin]

I love how Tuomas managed to connect the dots here - taking what most laypeople consider dry and matter of calculations and bringing front and center the *passion* the scientists have for their field of study. Almost like religious fervor, deep love, but in a secular way.

[@pekkakarppinen1608]

The Romeo and Juliet text is narrated by Tuomas Holopainen's wife, Johanna Kurkela, who is a famous singer here in Finland. She's an Elf. ⛄👍

[@Green-Lyon]

Johanna sure has elf-magic in her voice 😊

[@floreaciprian9742]

wow dude had no idea about her. your comment made me curious and i checked her out. she;s an elf indeed

[@ytbabbler]

@@floreaciprian9742 You have to see this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gIjahImFpJp-lc0 It's two Johanna there, the first one is Tuomas wife.

[@kah227]

Johanna Kurkela, Jarkko Ahola, Tony Kakko and JP Leppäluoto an elf and three metalheads. ;) - Avaruus kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5_IdXylrN6bl6M

[@Green-Lyon]

@@kah227 Heavenly :)

[@riftenratt]

The Romeo and Juliet quote is engraved in Shoemaker's urn buried on the moon.

[@flaviovergottini652]

Just FYI, while "Ad astra" is Latin, "Laudato sii" (or the shortened form "laudato si' ") isn't: it's Vulgar, aka medieval Italian (has a lot of similarities with Latin tho...) and it's part of St. Francis' most important prayer, the Canticle of the Sun. Your translation was really on point, kudos! Greetings from Italy. 👋🇮🇹🖖

[@TeemarkConvair]

wow,, cool, thanks

[@clemenstremens1940]

indeed, “si” in classical latin means “if”

[@ChrisHinton1967]

The "Eternal Earthrise" lyric is interesting and shows that Tuomas knows his stuff. Since we always see the same face of the Moon, that also means that, from the Moon, the Earth will always be the same place in the sky. So you would never see the Earth rise or set. But, the further north or south you travel, the Earth would appear lower and lower in the sky. Shoemaker's urn is near the Lunar south pole. So, depending on where it is exactly, the Earth could be visible just over the horizon giving the appearance of an "eternal Earthrise".

[@jiansonz]

The thing is, the moon does have the same side towards Earth the whole time, but it's not perfectly still in that, it wobbles a little. This means that from about 20% of the moon's surface, you *can* see Earthrises (and Earth settings). In the 'best' places on the moon, it's possible to see entire earthrises. It's a slow process, I think it takes about 48 hours.

[@ChrisHinton1967]

@@jiansonz Interesting, I have not heard of that before. Where can I go to find out more about this?

[@jiansonz]

@@ChrisHinton1967 Someone wrote it in the comments in another reactor channel that reacted to this song. I have no direct source to point to.

[@mrspidey80]

@@ChrisHinton1967 Look up "Libration".

[@billattercliffe8655]

"Laudato Si" is originally attributed to the 12th Century monk St Francis of Assisi from his "Canticle of the Sun" which is an homage to Nature. It's also from the second encyclical of Pope Francis, an entreaty to care for our planet. Those who have gone into space and having looked back on the Earth, realize how trivial our cares for power and wealth really are. I look at "Shoemaker" as encapsulating all of these themes together. "Ad Astra" is "to the stars". (Royal Air Force motto "per ardua ad astra" "through adversity to the stars").

[@TheRealRedAce]

It isn't OUR cares for power and wealth, but our trashy so-called "leaders" - ALL politicians and "big" businessmen.

[@TheVirtualWatcher]

The quote from Romeo & Juliette is on the urn containing Shoemaker's ashes on the moon. Try the first track, 'Music', next ... well, any track really, they're all good ;-)

[@marita2g]

Yess, would love Doug´s take on Music! :D

[@alexandre_am]

I really think the 1st disc deserves a full album reaction

[@pietkeizer5216]

For me also a hommage to Carolyn Shoemaker, who dies two month ago at the age of 92 years.

[@stefblt5771]

Oh, did she know about the song and did she react to it?

[@hazelangus]

Reunited after so long. How amazing for them!

[@phillee2814]

@@stefblt5771 I heard that they asked for her permission before recording it, then sent her a pre-release copy, followed by the whole album once it was ready. I don't know of any reaction from her though.

[@Satellitegirl41]

Never clicked so fast. I adore this song! Usually makes me cry though.

[@dr.zarkhov9753]

I find the same on a lot of this music especially when I pay closer attention to the lyrics.

[@whirledpeaz5758]

It's a Happy cry, good for the soul. Can't listen to this and Not feel the water works.

[@jongu71]

Every single time the waterworks start when Floor’s operatic part begins….

[@clemenstremens1940]

Tuomas has created a dramatic end to this song: from the crater where Shoemaker’s urn hit the moon, you see the earthset and then the sunset, accompanied by Floor’s voice👸💪

[@phillee2814]

In fact, the point that Eugene is buried is in the very bottom of the crater "Shoemaker" in permanent shade from the sun as it is at the lunar south pole - with the earth dancing around on his horizon due to the slight wobble in the lunar orbit.

[@clemenstremens1940]

@@phillee2814 yes, interesting, but with dramatic I was referring to the fact that the staging of the video does not correspond to reality as the Shoemaker crater is estimated to be 2.5 km deep🤓

[@jpdemer5]

The Earth slowly describes a figure 8 pattern in the lunar sky, over a 27-day period, and at some latitudes you'd get to see it rise and set over and over, hence "eternal earthrise." (The Wikipedia entry on "earthrise" has the gory details.)

[@starsword-c2534]

Floor said in an interview that she actually rerecorded the aria at the end in her home studio because she thought she could do it even better than she had in Nightwish's studio. She really pushed herself for this and it paid off. You need to check out "Bismarck" or "Livgardet" by Sabaton.

[@fortuna7469]

Thanks a lot Doug! Always a pleasure to listen to your comments. "Endlessness" sung by Marko is my favorite from the Human :II: Nature album.

[@milton1448]

That's a special song....and sadly, his last.

[@MikkoRantalainen]

@@milton1448 ... this far. He's a touring member of Raskasta Joulua 2021 tour in Finland as a solo artist so it seems there's still hope that he'll be performing more in the future.

[@milton1448]

@@MikkoRantalainen Thanks Mikko

[@Erica7840]

The Islander is my ABSOLUTE FAVORITE song by them!!!

[@TexasSnyper]

I think you would LOVE Apocalyptica. They are four classically trained cellists who created a rock/metal band. This is best illustrated with their song/video Path. They did later come out with a Path Vol 2 which is the same song but with a German singer. ALL of their songs with vocals are always with guest vocals, and I think this adds an extra layer to their awesomeness as artists.

[@MikkoRantalainen]

I agree. I would also recommend either of these: Apocalyptica feat. Brent Smith - Not Strong Enough (Official Video) kzbin.info/www/bejne/d529pqSLicyWqdU Apocalyptica - 'Bittersweet' feat. Lauri Ylönen & Ville Valo (Official Video) kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHLHdZ58rZWSbNE

[@mattilindstrom]

Eugene Shoemaker, the man who pivoted the US space program astronaut education around for going to the Moon. The driving force who turned test pilots into geologists with long terrestrial field trips and a ton of classroom training. He had the ambition of going to the Moon as an astronaut himself, but sadly was rejected due to his Addison's disease. Rest in peace, somewhere near the lunar south pole, on the Earth facing side.

[@happyjack6901]

I don't usually like when the person doing the reaction goes so deep into explaining the music but in your way of doing this I truly enjoyed it, THANK YOU SIR

[@majbrat]

Wonderful. Brings me to tears when Floor hits those high notes. Love it.

[@dikkepoema1]

Doug is classy, he doesn't do intentional innuendo. Which made 8:09 a perfect gem for the less sanitary of minds.

[@femkesmit8078]

Thank you for this reaction. I love nightwish, ad I really like your way of reacting, from your 'composer view' So the combination of you reacting to nightwish is always a joy to me.

[@corneliusantonius3108]

The quote is on the urn of Shoemaker on the moon.

[@NickBR57]

Yes it's been too long. I've been waiting for some more of your insightful Nightwish analyses.

[@zvolencan1]

Sir, I would suggest pausing to talk, because even though you are experienced and you cannot be easily surprised, you might actually miss something, and also you don´t immerse yourself into the song properly to enjoy it. As I said, just a suggestion. Keep them coming, great content. :)

[@rientsdijkstra4266]

You will love the rest of the Human || Nature album. It is great!!

[@VastIllumination]

You've come a long way in appreciation of well composed double bass drum :)

[@bobgross8761]

Love your reactions! I'm a listener, not a musician, but I get a kick out of learning. Thanks, Doug.

[@OJB42]

Nightwish Army, New Zealand Division reporting. Thanks for your reaction. That must be the most epic end to a song ever. I like to listen to it loud with my sub providing that last bit of bass power!

[@emilyrattini8462]

I always thought the lyrics to this were a little weird, but knowing the theme, it suddenly makes a whole lot more sense.

[@allenhuling598]

Always appreciate your comments, Doug! Would strongly recommend that you start at the beginning of this album and go through each song in order! Fantastic album, start to finish!!

[@metalmark1214]

Floor has such great vocals!

[@shogonekocosplay1416]

Doug, I think you'd also enjoy Tribal from this same album. It gives the drums much love and we hear Floor growl again.

[@stephaniej-hill8740]

Floor said on her new Floor site, that this was the hardest song for her to do...

[@ServantOfOdin]

Laudato Si, the words of St. Francis of Assisi. Ad Astra, from the Aeneid of Virgil. Laudato si ad astra; Praised be you to the stars. Shoemaker died and his cremated remains were sent to the moon. But to me, Laudato si ad astra is more than just a a farewell to a great scientist, it is a calling. A beckoning for us all to not just reach for the stars, but to go there.

[@Piia2023]

Yes, do the first album too, Human, it is absolutely amazing. Procession is my favorite song, you should check that out, so so beautiful song by Tuomas, something different. Thank you for this.

[@soundocean3765]

Great reaction as always! I knew you'd like this one. Highly recommend doing the rest of the album in its original order (as suggested by the band as well ;D). Each song is different and a masterpiece on its own. Looking forward to your next NW reactions!

[@sterlingknight8087]

Amazing, wonderful piece.

[@German_1]

watch the end of this song at hellfest 2022. Floor never disappoints.

[@johnekare8376]

Great reaction Doug! I really appreciate your insightful commentary.

[@madsmatras5691]

@doug helvering this hole album is, to me their best work you can really hear that they have alot off year behind them and really know what they are doing.

[@reginaessert6526]

I think you'd enjoyed it. Shoemaker is my favorite somg on this album. Your reactions told all... 🙂

[@himarei]

His urn was onboard the NASA lunar prospector, which spent 19 months studying the moon after which it got purposefully crashed at more than 2000 miles/h in a crater on the south pole, that crater was aptly named Shoemaker crater. From the force of the impact the probe was certainly vaporized, apart from the small Titanium urn which was either ejected and is now lying somewhere on the moon, or it is deep in the crater, and will stay there longer than any terrestrial tomb.

[@brianalberico9171]

Thanks. Please keep NW in the rotation whenever you can. Also, please check out Auri and Auri II, as well as Music Inspired by The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck (all by Toumas). I'd sit and listen to the entire albums with you start to finish.

[@badgerello]

Eternal earth rise; the earth never rises on the moon as it’s tidally locked. So shoemaker can always see the earth eternally risen. Beautiful baby.

[@palmera62820]

thank you Doug, am learning a lot,

[@allie9452]

You should check out the few live videos there are of this now - not for a video, they're not very good quality only bootlegs so far, but for yourself: it's really something else to see Floor pull that ending live!

[@annemarieevans1991]

If you liked this video I would suggest the music video for Noise. It’s another one with great imagery and relevant message.

[@jonnyberggren4598]

Thank you Doug excellent reaction as allways...

[@alienflorina]

Cant' wait to listen to this live! :D

[@572Btriode]

"Background stuff, other worldly" The "dreamlike" hammered Dulcimer I think Doug, that is heard through the first section. Some previous discussions if it's digital or real and that is lightyears beyond my ears, I would think Tuomas would have used a real one if it were possible, but I have no idea. Eternal earthrise is what Shoemaker would "see" from his position on the south pole of the moon.

[@thensho]

please try the live version next!

[@JariJuslin]

Did you notice that (hammered) dulcimer was both mentioned in the lyrics *and* played in the song? It could be Tuomas and synth samples, but considering Troy is in the band, I wouldn't be surprised if it was the actual instrument.

[@JariJuslin]

I'm pretty sure Troy uses every excuse given to learn a new instrument.

[@andruid5054]

the gret thing is when you listen to the album that song leads perfectly into the song nature

[@MattSamma]

Nightwish is always magic. I say this often (?) but you should give a try to Rhapsody of Fire, the songs "Symphony of Enchanted Lands" or "Dark tower of Abyss". They have an amazing orchestral sound; you'll surely will like them (except for the double drum parts).

[@deciccohernan]

Please! We’ve been suggesting these songs for a long time. I know he will really like Fabio Lione’s vocals and the orchestration as well

[@DanielDJenks]

The song is a tribute to UGENE SHOEMAKER. NASA placed his ashes on the moon because he was a great astronomer and always wanted to go to the moon.

[@DonKampela]

Thanks Doug!

[@brendanwilson3578]

Just discovered your awesome channel and was up way too late last night watching a bunch of videos. I humbly suggest some great songs that you may enjoy: Andromeda - Chameleon Carnival Gamma Ray - Man on a Mission Stardust - Stranger Therion - The Crowning of Atlantis Wuthering Heights - The Mad Sailor Savatage - Chance Thanks again and I look forward to some more great songs and commentary!

[@glendawatson331]

Thanks for Shoemaker the whole album is different and has a clear message about the state of our world today it is written in very Poetic terms and quite cryptic at times when looking for the meaning of the Lyrics Really the Album needs to start at Music and end with endlessness they ( the songs) all make reference to each other in some way I am making my way through the album lyrics with Guylain Prince OFM he study’s lyrical content and breaks them down he speaks French so have to read the subtitles so it is taking me a while to get through it is a 2 part process as he listens to the song first then he analyses the lyrics I have loved the exposure to music I have never listened to through your channel which I am sure I should have known about those great iconic bands of the 70’s and 80’s that others know so well as I get older the more I enjoy music that has been my main entertainment during our last couple of years being in lockdown in Victoria Australia

[@ofermashiach4519]

I never liked Nightwish, but Doug's analysis of the song really made me appreciate them.

[@osharuda]

I heard Doug says he likes orchestra playing with metal things. So why not try Therion, something from Vovin or Theli albums. This is not a metal + orchestra mixed in later years ago. It is actually metal and orchestra by design. I love them, but not sure others will share my opinion. Anyway, these guys worth because they are parents of sympho-metal. Good song would be "Rise Of Sodom And Gomorrah" or may be something from these two albums.

[@syncacct8576]

Apocalyptica - classically trained musicians playing metal with strings since 1993

[@FyrenMagus]

If you haven't already seen it, Floor performed o mio babbino caro on television years ago

[@hegoso]

Kind of shocked me a bit that you did not talk about the melody... It is quite special to me! But as usual, very educating. Regards!

[@maggaw9869]

Tuomas Holopainen keybordplayer,songwriter,composer from Finland.

[@isaiahwelch8066]

Doug, given what you've heard here, I would highly recommend you react to the "Nature" side of Human :||: Nature, as it is right up your alley: 8 tracks, all written by Tuomas, that are purely instrumental in nature (no pun intended, lol). Each one is different, but none actually end before the next one begins. My favorite is the last one, which has as a bonus treat a reading by I believe Geraldine Butler, a British actress, reading a passage from "Pale Blue Dot" by Dr. Carl Sagan. I really think you'll love listening to it, and as a composer, enjoy learning how Tuomas writes the music he does, from a classical perspective.

[@theozzman4836]

you will have to check out the first track of the album titled Music its wonderful and written from music's point of view as if its a sentient being its so good

[@ulfcarlsson9083]

Thanks for the great reaction! Don't see any commenter mention this, but the lines from Shakespeare is also written on the urn which hold Shoemaker's ash ont the moon Regards from Sweden Ulf

[@bmac1205]

Ditto from yesterday...definitely gonna check out this band.

[@doc8645]

haha, yeah I liked you wanting to write a song for her, I fantasized that the first time I heard her. Don't get me wrong I'm a dyed-in wool metalhead, but I also love Wagner's Das Rheingold, the Ring of the Limberlung and I think she would kill as Wotan's daughter Brunehillde all the way!!!

[@chress98]

One song that could be quite interesting to look at is "Gamma" by Fewjar. They are a fairly small band from Berlin, Germany, but they make some great tunes

[@metallicaguy4679]

finally nightwish returns

[@paisa20]

Thanks

[@michaelshort2388]

that symbol at the end is "Human Nature" written in Cuneiform. I'm not sure which language, but it's definitely cuneiform. :)

[@djstraylight]

Speaking of more symphonic music, you'll have to circle back to Epica. Maybe something like live version of Design Your Universe (from the same concert as Sancta Terra).

[@majorc9215]

If you want a music experience you will never forget check out Dimmu Borgir - Gateways live (forces of the northern night) Epic stuff

[@reid3181]

Doug!! New member Oct 7. Been watching for 3 months. Please please please let me know how you FEEL and experience Heart of the Sunrise! Please! Your other Yes reviews are so enjoyable. I'd love to know what you think. Thank you Doug!

[@billattercliffe8655]

There's about a 100 Nightwish songs you need to get to. Don't worry, take your time. We ain't goin' no place.

[@alika.1573]

Hello Doug! Please consider reacting to "The Real Thing" by KINGSTON WALL. This band has (had) a very unique sound and music style. I'm sure that you will enjoy their music.

[@shredder66]

Would love to hear you explore Black Sabbath more and check out something from the much lesser known Tony Martin era. Tony Martin was an incredible vocalist with an amazing range and power to his voice. He was in Sabbath after Ozzy and Dio, and the few albums he did with Sabbath in the 80s and 90s don't get anywhere near enough recognition in my opinion. Would highly recommend When Death Calls which is from their album Headless Cross. That particular song features a guitar solo from Brian May of Queen, who is very good friends with Tony Iommi. You might also like Nightwing or Headless Cross from that same album, or perhape Anno Mundi or The Sabbath Stones off the Tyr album.

[@Shelleblad]

Agree! When Death Calls is a great song!

[@allenjohnstone9945]

Saw them live during this Tour at Hammersmith I believe. Very underrated singer.

[@Roller4x4]

Nightwish-sagan, is a Tribute to Carl Sagan For a soprano Simone Simons from Epica is also a great choice. Epica-stabat mater dolorosa-ft Floor Jansen, Is a live performance of a ancient hymn, during a metal concert!

[@dac2007]

Fantastic commentary as usual, maybe you could continue with Music, the first track, it has also interesting composition

[@kyriakospoumbouris5739]

You could listen to the song and comment afterwards not during

[@Ounouh]

Thank you for this! Please do Pan from Nightwish. It's from the same record than Shoemaker.

[@TheKhanumOfPersia]

You´re the first reactor who knows that Pope Francis wrote an Encyclical Letter in 2015 titled "Laudato si...", inspired by The Canticle of Creatures written by St. Francis of Assis, in which, indeed, he ask people to care for the planet. Congrats!! And great reaction, too, I learnt a lot!

[@PowderedToastMan420]

When's the next TOOL reaction coming. Hell I even take a PUSCIFER or A PERFECT CIRCLE reaction. 🤞

[@laptok]

Aaaaalieeeen takes forever new found World in the stars

[@davidecamurani7389]

Human Nature is a really, really good album.

[@mariovaillancourt3854]

Hi!!! You should do Symphony of enchantanted lands part 2 album from Rhapsody of Fire

[@kunou4527]

You've got to check out Diana Ankudinova's new performance. It's a cover of Elvis Presley's Can't Help Falling In Love. Another fantastic arrangement done in Minor with tons of dissonance (dissonance is very much a major part of her style). Less of a love song than a spiral of obsession into madness. Very Diana-esque. Many of her trademarks are in there, like the subharmonic/polyphonic technique she's most known for. In this performance she also shows off full head voice and seamless transitions, along with a new belt.

[@livianegidius9772]

Laudato si ad astra is praise composed by st Benedict in 5th century,

[@jecastgo]

thanks for your reaction. Doug listen Rhapsody of Lucca Turilli!!!

[@lawrencewalston2272]

I hope you were seated while listening to this. I know I was blown away.

[@felipeegger5028]

Doug, you're missing Jethro tull.. A Passion Play.

[@topilinkala1594]

If you like Finnish Heavy Metal you must check Apocalyptica. Not their covers but their own music.

[@Ithirahad]

I don't exactly know the area very well, so: did they set the animation up so that the sun disappears behind the limb of Luna in any particularly meaningful place? Some crater or sea of significance?

[@felipecampos3045]

you need Epica - design your universe live retrospect in your life doug

[@Nikioko]

Per aspera ad astra. Through roughness to the stars.

[@chrisdagal]

A reaction to Therion please

[@rodrigofuentes6453]

Hi Doug! there's a progressive rock song that I wish you to analize it. It is call "Level V" (the power to believe album version) by King Crimson. I want to know what the hell is going on with time signatures and patterns. It has a particular time signature on the guitars that I wish to understand. And also if there is an harmonic logic. Or if it is a kind of dodecaphonism song

[@Arrow2theACL]

Problem is KC blocks everything on KZbin. Doug has KC on his Pateron though.

[@whirledpeaz5758]

The Moon is tidally locked, always faces same side to the Earth. So, being stationary on the moon, such as Eugene's Urn In Shoemaker crater, the Earth would simply hang in the sky, never moving. No Earth Rise. You would see the rotation of the Earth. Over the course of the month you would see the procession of the day and night sides, in opposite of the Lunar day/night.

[@Aquila81]

Next: SAVATAGE song reaction!!!!! Please 🛐

[@euronymousp7584]

Can you please react to Lacrimosa Am Ende Der Stille,it's a great symphony for a rock band.

[@Piet_Hein]

if you like this I'm curious what you think of epica santa terra with floor jansen