RDQ vs FAA Lawsuit From a Remote ID Expert- PiXL Drone Show #64

[@micsherwood4930]

Excellent overview of where we are,with only a few weeks before the comply date.

[@Shtofman]

Always enjoy hearing Brendan’s take on things.

[@robertwilhite529]

this was GREAT insight from Brendan.....

[@BluSky1]

5:57 This assumes someone committing a criminal act will in fact install or use a drone with remote id, In most cases i think remote id will punish the idiot who buys a drone at walmart then flys it over Superbowl. The real criminals will not install remote id or register drones they intend to use to commit crimes. I feel like Geo fencing would be more effective at accomplishing this goal as criminal will find a way and ignorant people just need geofencing to stop that super bowl flight.

[@brendanschulman9971]

As I mention about halfway through this, criminals also remove or alter car license plates. That's not a reason not to have license plates.

[@nateteator3901]

@@brendanschulman9971 license plates are fine on any vehicle operated in public spaces. The more accurate analogy goes like this... Every car owner must make their current location public on the internet. If you look at a highway of cars, every driver can be identified by any other citizen. This should be criminal, the same way sticking an apple air tag to your car would be a violation.

[@brendanschulman9971]

@@nateteator3901 Actually, the network/internet-based Remote ID system was abandoned by the FAA in the final rule. The requirement is a local broadcast, similar to how anyone can write down your license plate if they are near your car. The ownership registration information is with the FAA and is not going to be publicly available.

[@jerseyshoredroneservices225]

@@brendanschulman9971 When another driver is road raging on you, you don't go straight home and you don't come to a stop where you'll be trapped because you don't want that person to know where to find you. With remote ID it will be easy for that raging person who just hates drones or wants to steal your stuff to pinpoint your location. That's a huge difference.

[@billdavidson3106]

A Very informative program!!

[@paulgetts6466]

Thanks for sharing, Brendan's explanation was perfect!

[@2dogrc]

Interesting interview for sure. A couple things that jumped out at me. The similarity over the license plate on a car and RID. The government does not create and maintain a database of every trip you take in your car. Now we could argue that some of the big tech companies track this info :). Another issue he brought up that most drones are equipped with RID gear and just a software update. That would assume these drones have the ability to report their position, but many of the hobby built drones do not have GPS or any way to have a location. These modules would have to be added. Then these modules would have to transmit via a radio frequency that position. If you have ever been at a drone race and watched the feed as a DJI drone powers up, you can see the interference they transmit. Not saying this can't be solved, but when we have a large number of drones powered up at large races, added more RF noise is NOT going to make the event better.

[@PilotInstitute]

The Remote ID data is not stored anywhere, and cannot be stored by the government. This was made clear by the court of appeals in the final ruling they issued.

[@bobmoore1954]

Very good and informative show. Thanks. Sounds to me there’s reasonable expectation DJI will accomplish Remote ID through a software update to recent models.

[@brendanschulman9971]

That was the intent when I was there. You can find a DJI blog post I wrote on this about a year ago.

[@skypodimages]

Thank you for this video in sharing the latest updates in this crazy never ending topic.

[@dronebuzz]

Thank you gentlemen! A most insightful discussion for sure! Many stakeholders: US and State Congress, DHS, Security and Privacy Advocates, Military, Local Law Enforcement and Community Municipalities, FAA, PICs, etc. The more we collectively discuss such issues, the more efficiently we will learn and understand them. ;-) T

[@fidelgonzales3879]

Very informative....

[@jerseyshoredroneservices225]

28:58 Brandon makes a good point. Remote ID was brought up in 2017 as a way to mitigate a national security emergency. It's been 5 years without any kind of national security emergency, so was that risk real or imagined? Earlier in the video he acknowledged that license plates don't stop criminals with motor vehicles and RID won't stop criminals with drones.

[@joshgreenberg3649]

Fantastic interview. Brendan, hope you landed some big bucks wherever you landed, because your type of thinking and logic no longer being at DJI is a loss. Great commentary, thank you.

[@brendanschulman9971]

Boston Dynamics is awesome. I'm very fortunate to be able to work on things I'm passionate about.

[@huginnkenningard]

Pilots in airplanes, have the door locked for a reason... If you have a drone dropping bombs, you don't have a drone problem, you have a problem with people having access or manufacturing bombs. If you have a serial killer using a screwdriver to kill people, your problem isn't the screwdriver, is the killer. We are going to have a bad time with Karens and drone haters (like it wasn't enough how it actually is) and even getting our equipment robbed even if drones are one of the safest hobbies around with 0 victims worldwide... just because of a random paranoia. RID should only be accessible to law enforcement or else... "let's see if there's a 4.000$ Mavic to steal today nearby in the app".

[@micsherwood4930]

I am nervous the FAA or Local Officials would impliment a capture reward.

[@DanyTomaslife]

apparently those potential bad actors does not count to the Remote ID lovers. this is not about safety it is about the benefit of corporate drones and also getting the data of all of our movements. Something that the corporate government is obsessed about. They want to track everything, drones, cars, cellphones, people. etc. safety is an excuse. if safety is the issue, geofence is the answer, not remote ID.

[@michaelvonfeldt9629]

You need remote ID for laser pointers next.

[@tmyers7964]

The problem you still have legally is that even with remote ID it still doesn’t prove who’s flying the drone. Just as license plates don’t prove who the operator of the vehicle is. If someone is flying a drone for criminal intent - unless you see the pilot you’re never gonna find out who did it. I also don’t know the specifics to how many people are flying over stadiums or in airport restricted airspace. It just seems this could be the beginning of what punishes the 99.9%. Not saying remote if punishes anyone but what’s next?!?

[@piXLDroneShow]

Correct. But the intent is really to have RID provide the location of the pilot so law enforcement can investigate (in the event of someone flying in a TFR for example, or near wildfires).

[@josephvolk7368]

I'm wondering what will be the fix for older drones. Where we live, Smoky Mountains, Internet and cell service is just about non-existent.

[@PilotInstitute]

You actually don't need internet or cell service for this version of Remote ID to work.

[@josephvolk7368]

good to know. what will be the out come of my DJI2s and the Smart controller? having to send them out to be revamped?

[@josephvolk7368]

OR will it be part of a DJI download. That in it's self is an issue with our internet. Satellite internet is very problematic with DJI updates

[@brendanschulman9971]

Any drone will be able to comply using an add-on broadcast module. Cell service is not needed at all.

[@brendanschulman9971]

@@josephvolk7368 When I worked there, the intent was to make the recent models compliant with a software upgrade. I can't speak to DJI's current plans or the status of upgrades.

[@MohammadAdib]

Can you guys please cover planes and not only multirotors?

[@PilotInstitute]

The PIXL drone show is about any unmanned aircraft. What fixed wing topics would you like to see?

[@MohammadAdib]

@@PilotInstitute i guess the main topic would be: are fixed wing sales going to take a hit once sept 16 comes around? Do all foam planes and other fpv aircraft need to now be solid with remote id? Does this mean hobby shops (both physical and online) can no longer sell these planes until manufacturers include remote id in them? Most of these planes come with no electronics (i.e. no pixhawk or other fc, and sometimes not even a receiver).

[@PilotInstitute]

@@MohammadAdib remember that sub 250g drones flown recreationally don't need RID so I'm gonna guess the hobby foamies won't be affected at all. We will try to find a guest in the space to discuss but may wait until after September to see the effect it had.

[@brendanschulman9971]

I love RC planes! In fact, I fly them more often than multirotors. I don't think there will be a hit, because (1) a lot of planes are flown at club fields, which are going to be exempt; (2) you can comply by installing a module; and (3) Horizon Hobby and perhaps others have been following Remote ID developments for years and I would think they have an implementation path. Spektrum radios use 2.4 GHz and may be compatible with the ASTM standard (but I don't actually know).

[@rickymassey9341]

@@MohammadAdibThat's what bothers me about this. I fly planes jets. They say electronics can't be tampered with. Well that's the part about the hobby I like. Changing out the esc bigger motor making them faster. The way there wanting to do it. If I burn out an esc. It's a giant paper weight.

[@welzoliver3975]

If anyone outside of the FAA or Law Enforcement (i.e. the person who hates drones and drone pilots) has access to the Remote ID information, I can see it putting a lot of Drone Pilots in real danger. I think the reason we don't hear more stories of hostile interactions between the Anti-drone crowd and Drone Pilots now is because the A-holes out there who have nothing better to do than to go at a Drone Pilots if they see a Drone is they can't readily find them. Remote ID is the Bat Signal directly to the Pilot location. This is bad JuJu! The FAA is systematically dismantling Recreational Drone Flying 156 Pilot Institute

[@dougj8186]

If you are flying legal LOS all anyone has to do is wait 15 minutes an follow your drone back to you when it lands. It's a bogus argument from guys flying illegal FPV who don't want to get caught flying their drone a half mile out or where they shouldn't be. The only bad JuJu is they won't be able to do that any more with Remote ID.

[@michaelvonfeldt9629]

No one has died yet, this is an overreach.

[@michaelvonfeldt9629]

Steel cable kites 400’ agl is my next hobby

[@welzoliver3975]

what about anyone being able to see where a pilot of a drone is taking off from witch could couse a karen to know where are and start a fight or more so whats up with that ?

[@frigateaviation5047]

I have a question, will UAS from foreign countries like the China’s “weather balloon”, require remote ID?

[@michaelvonfeldt9629]

400’ and below was always our airspace. These bastards!

[@heinzpilot]

I'm sorry the only thing I disagree with is comparing it to a license plate for your drone. I can't go to the parking lot of the mall get a license plate number and then know exactly where the driver is in the mall or even if they drove the car. So it's kind of a bad comparison.

[@piXLDroneShow]

I think it's a bit of an unfair comparison. If you see a license plate, you can locate the driver because they are in the car, oeprating it. When the car is parked, no one knows where the driver is. Similarly when the drone is flown. the operator can be located. When the drone is not being operated, the operator cannot be located.

[@Jp421JP]

@@piXLDroneShow it’s a direct comparison. You license plate does not broadcast your location to everyone’s cell phone in the area. Remote is does exactly that. And as the drone travels, it broadcasts the pilot location in an ever increasing area.

[@AllenTweed]

Please consider the option that RID is NOT the same as a license plate in the sky. Automobile license plates are only readable at visible line of sight distances and do not broadcast gps coordinates of the vehicle and the location of the owner's home. RID on sUAS could possibly be received up to about 3 miles from the area of operation and would be accurate to approximately 15 feet. It is my opinion that it is irresponsible for industry leaders to perpetuate the idea that RID and automobile license plates are the same thing. You are doing the industry a disservice by repeating this myth.

[@piXLDroneShow]

Counter argument: RID will only be visible line of sight because of the tech being used. It's very unlikely that you will ever get the signal up to 3 miles. It also doesn't provide the location of the home owner any more than your plate on your car provide the location of your home.

[@AllenTweed]

@@piXLDroneShow According to DJi's spec page for the Air 2s: Max transmission distance is 12 km or 7.45 miles. The RID stream will most likely use the C/C link to broadcast RID with a different sub header. Do you really think they will decrease the TX power on the transmitter while transmitting a sub string? Also please consider two scenarios: #1 Your 16 year old daughter drives her car to a large public park for a 1 hour run. #2 Your 16 year old daughter goes to a large public park to fly her RID enabled Air 2s for an hour. Do you really think the two scenarios are the same?

[@MrJmc67]

People need to stop comparing drone id with a car license plate. Although anyone can see a car license plate, there is no way to get owner information. Only the authorities have that capability. As for drone id, regardless of what is being transmitted, anyone will be able to get this info.

[@PilotInstitute]

That's not entirely true. Remote ID does not broadcast personal information, just like your license plate doesn't.

[@nateteator3901]

How far reaching is this rule? Obviously the desire is to identify bad actors. What prevents this rule from being used to automatically send out tickets for flying 101 mph or an altitude of 401ft?

[@piXLDroneShow]

The law actually prohibits the government from collecting this data so this won't happen.

[@nateteator3901]

@@piXLDroneShow So far this is the best video online describing the new rule and the implications for the hobby. thank you!

[@Markevans36301]

@@piXLDroneShow are you actually this naive?

[@gregreverdiau246]

@@Markevans36301 So you think the FAA is going to implement a system to collect this data so they can issue fines for people who are doing minor infractions when they are specifically prohibited by law to do exactly that? I can imagine this being a dream for any aviation lawyer out there!

[@Markevans36301]

@@gregreverdiau246 look at ANY other usg alphabet org and all signs say that they will collect data that they are prohibited from. No, they won't constantly go after low hanging fruit, they'll just stow it away for a rainy day.

[@nateteator3901]

Remote ID will be a huge money maker for DJI but terrible for American hobbyists and new manufacturing entrepreneurs. Where is the evidence that people flying drones have been a danger to anyone in this country? You name it, anything else is more dangerous, soda, stairs, tire swings. The commenters played down the validity of someone's right to privacy when they walk out of their house. Would you be OK attaching a remote ID device to your body or to your vehicle wherever you go? The FAA would have been much better off asking the telecom industry to partner with them to triangulate drones in the air and identify them on a map. There is no need to identify the pilot. Anyone wishing to do harm could do so without using remote ID. This entire process is an example of how democracy is not working for voters.

[@piXLDroneShow]

DJI likely won't earn any money from Remote ID. It will most likely be a software update without additional cost.

[@nateteator3901]

@@piXLDroneShow People hear that only DJI is compliant with the new laws. That drives sales. That makes DJI a ton of money and keeps them at the top of the industry. These new laws are a huge giveaway to foreign competitors and billion dollar retail companies... At the expense to law abiding hobbiest and 107 businessman. And this is coming from someone who happily files with LAANC requests on a daily basis to fly in regulated air space.

[@piXLDroneShow]

@@nateteator3901 Yeah, you could be right given how close the Remote ID deadline is.

[@brendanschulman9971]

I'm not at DJI any more, but when I was, this was in no way a path to revenue. Indeed, the revenue that various companies sought would have been in the proposed network remote ID method, which was abandoned by the FAA in the final rule. The public comment process, part of democracy when you have an administrative state that deals with complex technical topics, worked very well in this instance and made the final rule much better.

[@nateteator3901]

@@brendanschulman9971 I agree, DJI didn't make remote ID a path to revenue, the FAA made a path to revenue for DJI. A valid lawsuit collapsed right before the manufacturers deadline. This gives established companies like DJI the opportunity to scoop up more market share, at the expense of American startups and hobbiest. It's just a joke that our government and the interpretation of the constitution says that guns can be concealed carry, yet a toy drone that gives people an educational experience comes with a total loss of location privacy. Any wrongdoer is going to avoid this ID system.