Re-Evaluating Zen | AMD Ryzen 7 1700

[@chainsaw2010]

Love my R7 1700, Ran it at 4Ghz for a few years. Now running a 5800X3D. AM4 in the end was good even if AMD protested and was dragged kicking and screaming to support it as they promised.

[@ronnie3626]

Nice, iirc most Ryzen 7 1700 failed to hit 4GHz. I have a 3700x and very happy with it. 5800x3d is great and obviously the last upgrade for AM4 but my games (mainly GTA5, FH5 and old NFS games) do not really benefit from the 5800x3d, so I will wait and maybe buy it used. PS2 and Xbox 360 emulation may benefit from the CPU. :)

[@BonusCrook]

Did you Keep the 300 series board for the 58X3D?

[@chainsaw2010]

@@BonusCrook No Asrock RMA replace it with a X470 after i called them out about the memory issues. I had the x370 Fatality K4 that was abandoned 1 month after launch because of bad memory Trace layout.

[@TheLionAndTheLamb777]

@@chainsaw2010 My Brother had a 1700x and gave me his old X370 board because he was convinced it was keeping the memory from reaching XMP speeds. I plopped in a 2700x and some Corsair RGP Pro 3200 and it worked and in fact works great and hasn't gave me a bit of trouble. His system runs fine too, but he went out and got a ASUS Hero VI (I think) and a 2700x STILL the issues are there. I told him that I think his Memory issues have gotta be the actual memory kit he is using. I had a 2200G, 2700x, and a 5900x and I built a 3800x system for my relative. None of them have had issues.

[@chainsaw2010]

@@TheLionAndTheLamb777 Once i plopped The 1700 and ram into a MSI it did 3466MHZ still does in that system. My issue was a bit different Asrock knew the X370 K4 was junk and they marked it EOL just 1 month into production. Maybe he has a bad memory controller.

[@RetroHamer]

Upgraded from the legendary 2600K for the 1700 and didn't regret it. Now using my 1700 as a home server now.

[@Typhon888]

That's crazy because an OC 2600k will beat a 1700 at gaming.

[@wertywerrtyson5529]

@@Typhon888Yes I remember my OC 3570K at the time beating the early Ryzen processors in games back then. I eventually chose a 9700K which was faster than 3700X in games but now use AMD 7600X.

[@RetroHamer]

@@Typhon888 Oh that she was no question at 5.2Ghz watercooled. But was needed for production as well which the 1700 smoked it

[@thegodhoward8037]

@@Typhon888 really depends on the game early ryzen chips had shoty support since everything was still optimized for Intel chips it wasn't until the 3000 series that the majority of developers were properly implementing AMDs cpu hardware

[@Ludak021]

@@thegodhoward8037 in all games. Intel vs Zen 1 in games = Intel > AMD.

[@Azureskies01]

i got a 1600 when it came out, sold the computer to my brother which he still uses and now I have a 5900X. First gen Zen was rough but considering where the platform went I was happy I supported AMD back then.

[@Odinsday]

Ryzen 3000 and 5000 are some of the best CPU lineups in recent memory. Happy to say my first CPU was an R5 3600.

[@robertt9342]

Large core count wasn’t required as much as it is now and it’s lower single core performance was it’s problem. It was still a decent value at the time and the platform allowed for upgrades.

[@EmptyZoo393]

First gen Ryzen did not do as well with gaming as its Intel counterparts but its productivity numbers were generally 50% better. Everyone knew it was a complete from scratch platform with plenty of rough corners and a lot of room (with a plan) to improve. At a time when Intel was introducing more and more segmentation and artificial caps, AMD was a bundle of Yes, you can do that. Beyond that, it was fun to support the scrappy underdog and see some real movement in the PC space for the first time in years. I did my first desktop build with a 1600X and it was a fun experience to put it together.

[@mariussebastian9509]

You SOLD it to your BROTHER? You are an awful person

[@thegodhoward8037]

I remember when most gamers used Intel chips and now everyone is using AMD after they duked it out with Intel and now they are putting their primary focus on Nvidia AMD is truly a master chip manufacturer

[@DJYunkHank]

Still remember being 14 buying my first parts when Ryzen launched. Only just recently upgraded my CPU . First gen Ryzen served me well

[@dylanneff8338]

i think i was 18 when i upgraded from a fx 6350 to a r5 1600, then to a r7 3800x.currently looking into a 5800x3d to get the best performance out of the platform but might upgrade to am5, very happy with ryzen and would keep it around for a steam server or something like that.

[@DJYunkHank]

@@dylanneff8338 yeah I was planning the same thing. Just waiting for Ryzen 8000 to upgrade to am5.

[@thegodhoward8037]

I was 15 and had built my first pc from scratch using a ryzen 2200g

[@Lua64]

based pfp

[@NotAverageBritishKid]

I remember being 11 and buying my first pc parts, although that was only 2 years ago R5 4600G 16GB Kingston Fury Beast DDR4 3200mhz B450M Asrock 750W PSU I still plan to use in the future Win 11 Served me well to, Until it broke, Then it didnt

[@eclipsegst9419]

I bought a used 5775c the same year this came out, great CPU. Very cool to see such solid numbers from it here, i never had more than an RX480 paired with mine. That L4 was ahead of its time. I hope the rumors of Meteor Lake returning the feature are true.

[@IcebergTech]

Yes, it would certanly be interesting to see Intel's L4 going up against AMD's 3D L3. We need something other than efficiency cores to get us excited for Intel again!

[@lightward9487]

​@@IcebergTech meteor lake use L4 dor APU

[@rj7250a]

I never thought there was people using intel 5th gen CPUs on a desktop, they are very rare here. Lol

[@eclipsegst9419]

@@rj7250a there are uncommon here too, but in about 2018 they were really cheap because the Chinese flooded the market with a bunch for whatever reason. I bought mine for 100 when a 7700k was still bringing 200. Most people don't know they exist and if they do most don't want to deal with needing a final-bios z97 so they didn't hold value.

[@DarkLinkAD]

Not really, have you not seen the intel CPUs prior with LOADs of Cache

[@O6i]

im still using my r7 1700. its a beast. got it on launch and been going strong ever since.

[@TheLionAndTheLamb777]

AMD has done a lot of good things that I can remember. AMD was the first to 1Ghz, they standardized the x86-64, were the first to use a front side bus with DDR signaling, the first true quad core, the first CPU with the memory controller integrated, and they had the first desktop CPU with 64 bit support. AMD had the first desktop dual core, quad core, six core, and 8 core processors (Intel used dual single cores, or dual dual cores, etc.). People say that AMD copies Intel but it's also true that Intel copies many things from AMD. They had the first CPU with copper interconnects, the first APU, not just a CPU with video. They had the first 3D cache on a desktop CPU, the first to 12nm and 7nm. The first platform available for under 1K dollars as well as the first under $100 dollar CPU. AMD has had a lot of ups and downs, their innovations were great while often their performance was not. They've been on top a few times but didn't seem able to hold that position for long. AMD has always been great at making technology but not always great at actually implementing it.

[@chickenpasta7359]

the one thing to note is that a lot of B350 AM4 boards can support all the way up to the 5000 series so if you're on the 1700 you have a very nice upgrade path jump

[@NAKADZI]

This was mentioned at the end of this video. In addition, it should be noted that disabling Meltdown/Spectre patches leads to a performance increase of 3% to 5% (if not even higher) on Zen 1-3 and Intel equivalents.

[@danielkissgremsperger3242]

Yeah I upgraded from the 1700 to a 5600x on the same mobo and the performance increase in games are at least 2x. It is huge and the cpu is much cheaper tham what the 1700 cost

[@trackingdifbeatsaber8203]

The apparent GPU bottleneck when the CPU was the bottlen is interesting, upgraded from a 1920x to a 5900x and even in games i thought where GPU bound I got a higher FPS.

[@darthwiizius]

I went from this chip to the cheapest, chaviest 6 core zen3 part and the difference in gaming was very noticeable. Even at (relatively speaking) high FPSs the Zen part still has latency and a tendency to frame skip, frame timings were not great which I suspect comes from the first gen infinity fabric's latency issues. The cheap Zen3 part resolved my gaming issues and I'll replace it with one of the stacked cache 8 cores when they're cheap used for my final configuration on AM4.

[@dex6316]

Games are almost never exclusively bottlenecked by one component. Multiple components work together in a manner that creates bottlenecks, but typically in a modern system the either the CPU or GPU will bottleneck the system for most of the time. If the GPU is bottlenecking your system for 65% of the time, that’s a clear GPU bottleneck, but upgrading your CPU could eat into 30% of the bottleneck.

[@skorpers]

You'll almost always get some improvement for any upgrade. There isn't ever a perfect bottleneck to where you won't at least get improvements to minimums.

[@SianaGearz]

​@@darthwiizius are you on Cezanne 5500? I got a deal I couldn't pass up and I can't say that I'm unhappy for the time being; and I might still grab a 5700x in the future.

[@darthwiizius]

@@SianaGearz Yup, good little chip for the cash. I might put the 3D chip in in a year or two when they're dirt cheap used as my final AM4 config.

[@Al3ksandrOrlov]

I went from a R5 1600, to a 3600 to a 5800X, very happy with my 5800X and I will keep it for atleast 12-18 months

[@chickenpasta7359]

its going to last more than 18 months for gaming unless you're doing like 1080 360hz or something

[@zhongxina9420]

Bro you're wasting your money, performance gains per generation is relatively minimal but if that's what you enjoy to do than don't listen to me please.

[@mr.dingleberry4882]

yeah dude, gotta upgrade after a year otherwise you are in the red, missing out, no good, gotta buy the new one

[@pramey]

save your money better and get something that’s actually worth it and will run you 5/6 years

[@BeefLettuceAndPotato]

FX and early Ryzen is a guaranteed like and watch from me. Can't wait.

[@deltasixtwo]

Tech space was out of my interest when the 1.Gen Ryzen was launched, so it was interesting to learn something new with this video, thanks! Your chronicles of older hardware are just THE thing, that was missing in the oversaturated youtube. Waiting for your new vids, with already, may i say, classic 808 Doorbell Chime, beautiful camera spans, a couple of nice jokes and to the point benchmarks. (Still waiting for your transition from testing with 3070 to rx6800 xt though 😁) Keep up the good work, and let's hope youtube algorithms will bless your content 😁

[@hardwarecollector2097]

Nice Video. I did manage to get a Ryzen 7 1700 with the original cooler used for around 25€ including shipping. Thats a quite low price and its a good update for my collection. I think it has some value left when running at about 3,8 Ghz or mabye 4 Ghz allcore. Its a fine part of the history and iam glad to have one in my collection.

[@edmac1090]

I still have my trusty 1950X chugging along as a home server. Zen amazed me back in the day, I upgraded from a 6700k at the time because I needed more than four cores. Sixteen seemed like a good option.

[@noahneutral7557]

I have a second gen threadripper running Einstein@Home and Milkyway@home. It is still chugging along extremely well and I have no plans of replacing it until a threadripper 7000 series comes out.

[@darthwiizius]

@@noahneutral7557 Threadripper with DDR5 and Zen4 cores would, I think, give me the power to take over the galaxy.

[@damasterpiece08]

what's the power draw on that at stock speeds ?

[@edmac1090]

@@damasterpiece08 never measured, come to think of it. I’ll throw a kill-a-watt on there and see

[@noahneutral7557]

@@damasterpiece08 at idle without an overclock it runs at about 120 watts and at full load it goes up to 400 watts. Thankfully it stays at around 60°C

[@Sinflux420]

Gave my old 1700 to my friend for his first gaming build and that thing is still a beast for 1080p!

[@adriannavarro9962]

Still rocking a 1600X on a secondary PC, going strong with an RX 6600. Living up to the task in most cases.

[@GeorgePerakis]

Good. These numbers are less applicable to you because because AMD GPUs have less driver overhead resulting in better performance overall.

[@NAKADZI]

Especially when the Spectre/Meltdown patch is disabled - thanks to which you can get an additional 3-5% performance on Zen 1-3 CPUs and equivalents from Intel

[@hayseedfarmboy]

that 1600X is going to do allot better with 2060 super 3rd gen X16 PCIE with 256 bit bus vs the RX 6600 4th gen X8 with 128 bit bus being run 3rd gen memory both cards are about the same performance when run 4th gen but on 3rd the 2060 is going do allot better, really see a big difference is 1% lows not to mention production work on 2060 super is the same as the RX 6800 even running 4th gen support , rtx 2060 super is still production new for around 180$ for off brands

[@wargaminglab5122]

Thanks for this deep dive. I just picked up an EPYC 7601 (32 core Zen 1) and I'm looking forward to playing around with it. I think 2700X/2700 was what Zen 1 wanted to be but it took another silicon revision to make it happen.

[@NAKADZI]

I would like to recommend disabling the Spectre/Meltdown patch if you want to get an additional 3-5% performance on Zen 1-3 CPUs and equivalents from Intel

[@hayseedfarmboy]

Zen plus not Zen 1, ounce you add APUs into the ryzen mix it get even more difficult to keep up with as a 2400G is Zen 1 not + even though it a 2000 series

[@NoseMain]

hey icebrerg, love your videos, keep it up!

[@mpkny]

This was my first Ryzen CPU! Went from an i7 4770 to this (kind more of a sidegrade gaming-wise, but eh) and was using it in my main PC until I upgraded to a Ryzen 7 5800 non-x (i.e. an Alienware rescue lol). One of those pieces of hardware I have sentimental feelings about despite its flaws. First gen Ryzen wasn't all that but it was still exciting as hell at the time, and it got the job done. Love your videos, keep 'em coming!

[@QueueTeePies]

The fact that you can update your BIOS and drop in a 5600X is a huge win for AM4.

[@leaphardotnet]

It's not true for most motherboards

[@leongao5120]

​@@leaphardotnet a320 b350 x370 b450 x470 a520 b550 and x570 can all go up to a 5600x with a beta/ current bios update

[@leaphardotnet]

@leon gao many brand didn't updated their bios passed serie 3000 AND new chipset where utilising the new zen architectures at their fullest, installed a r9 5xxx on a a320 and get very poor perf, only the socket was compatible but in reality you couldn't keep the same motherboard from zen 1 to zen 3

[@QueueTeePies]

@@leaphardotnet It's understandable for lower end motherboard like A320 and super cheap B350 to not support newer generation. For the most part, any mid-tier and above should be good.

[@hayseedfarmboy]

@@leaphardotnet ive got 3 different a320 boards all work with my 5600g and 5600, as well as my 4600g, 3100, and 3600, Asian market brand boards are only ones ive found that dont and those were actually supposed to be B550, something is wrong with the Soyo B550 chip sets in my experience, odd cpu supports gap inside of each generation, but normal name brand board that isnt a OEM Pro model will have current CPU support by loosing all support for Athlon CPUs

[@waveLINEx]

Just recently upgraded my R5 1600, to an R7 5800X3D. That 1600 was a beast. I pushed it to 4GHz, 3466 CL14 fully stable on a Crosshair VI Hero (which, considering current high-end motherboard pricing, was a great value at $250). It served me well, but I can attest to it not aging the best. Even with my equally ancient RX480, my averages and especially 1% lows with this old GPU have climbed significantly. I always had this end-game CPU in mind, even back when I first built the system. That was the promise that AMD fortunately delivered about the longevity of AM4. I'm grateful that six years later, with just a CPU swap, my system feels wholly brand new.

[@takehirolol5962]

The old good Zen1, that "thing"...according to Intel...now we have more cores...

[@RonMizman]

Early adopter, I just put my 1700 which I bought on release in my parent's PC, and upgraded to a 5700x last year. I loved the 1700, and the 5700x has been phenomenal. I am so thrilled I got onto the Ryzen platform. TY for video.

[@Demon09-_-]

its also good to remember the 7700k also often pretty easily overclocked to 4.9-5ghz under normal cooling. but man that 5775c with its larger cache for the day really punches above its years at times.

[@Kashi941]

I got a 1700x when it came out coming from an i5 2500k. It used to be a very powerful CPU, but once I bought a 165hz monitor it was showing its age. Luckily the platform allowed for an easy swap of the CPU with just a BIOS update and I was able to buy a almost 5 year more modern 5700x instead which almost doubled my FPS (i then also upgraded the GPU) I am very happy I got that and my B350 board is still going strong, so kudos to AMD for making that happen. I hope similar things can be expected with the new AM5 platform!

[@obnot]

I am delighted to see another first-rate Iceberg content portraying an old acquaintance of mine! The Veniamin of R7 Summit Ridge. I spent three very productive years with this component. Low power consumption, cool and quiet. I never mind the occasional bottlenecks caused by the CPU. It never effected the overall gaming experience. However and similar to what Iceberg highlighted, unless there are exceptional budget reasons... I would consider the Ryzen 3000 series the least suitable architecture for every AM4 mobo owner in 2023.

[@histrigaming7344]

like reviewers back in the day said: Its a great cpu for content creators, who want to game, stream, and render scenes in Blender at the same time I think it still holds up to this day Especially for 120 bucks

[@NAKADZI]

Especially when the Spectre/Meltdown patch is disabled - thanks to which you can get an additional 3-5% performance on Zen 1-3 CPUs and equivalents from Intel 💫

[@SoundFX09]

Ah, The Ryzen 7 1700. The First AM4 CPU I ever bought, and ran with for 5+ Years. Different GPUs were thrown on it: The GTX 750 Ti, Various RX 400 and 500 Series Polaris GPUs, And the ASUS RX Vega 64 STRIX. Even Survived Various Coolers being thrown on it, such as the Stock AMD Wraith Spire and Wraith Prism, a Corsair H60, and even the Ever-Popular Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO. It was a TRUE Solder for First-Gen Ryzen, and, IMO, the BEST Summit Ridge CPU of all. Gaming wasn't its strong suit, but Multi-Tasking, Video Editing and Streaming... It got me into ALL of that without any significant fuss. Today, it's definitely left behind in terms of Gaming, but I believe it has its uses in Multi-Purpose workloads. And Don't forget the Upgrade Path! I'm still rocking the Same Motherboard I used the R7 1700 on: The MSI B350 PC MATE. It's now rocking a Ryzen 9 5950X with an RTX 3080 Ti on a Beta BIOS, but it runs at 4.5Ghz OC with an H100i V2, and the performance is just INCREDIBLE. Appreciate You Covering What is personally the BEST 1st Gen Ryzen Chip! Keep up the Amazing Work, Iceberg!

[@btd1114]

i went from 1600 to a 2700 pro (aliexpress is my friend) to a 3700x will end with a 5800x3d in a year or so. AM4 was so damn influential in the tech space honestly changed our pc future for the better forever.

[@HoosierHardware]

Jumped for the 1800X when it first launched. It was fine for gaming, but it was a workhorse for multithreaded workloads.

[@leonelspinazzola6423]

i buyed a 1600 and a b350 motherboard as soon as the y became avalible in my country. used that combo from 2017 to about four months ago, when MSI release a beta bios for the B350M bazooka that make it compatible with ryzen 5000. right now im still using that b350m with a 5600. AMD an the legendary AM4 plathform is going to be forever in my heart, because here in argentina PC parts are very expensive and being able to upgrade only the CPU while conserving the mother and RAM is a big thing. now i have a cpu to last me another 5-6 years hahaha

[@Obie327]

Interesting review Iceberg. Being one of the early adopters with the Ryzen 5 1600x and getting a good overclocked one as well. (4.1 ghz) For a scrappy build in late 2017 with a Rog Strix B350-f. Still using this board with a 2600X/16 gigs of G-Skill 3200mhz B-die. I have a CPU upgrade for it's future. Thanks for the video!

[@semick4729]

Mine 1600x overclocked to 4.0Ghz without touching voltage. 4.1GHz was almost stable. It also could get to 4.3GHz stable on all cores with small voltage increase. Although going any further then that was pointless as it needed a lot of voltage, even for mere 100Mhz increase

[@Obie327]

@@semick4729 Very impressive Semick. I remember every tech outlet was recommending the non X version and I was glad I didn't. The 1600x is basically the 1800x with less cores. (binned silicon?) Enjoy the beast of a processor! Peace!

[@semick4729]

@@Obie327 I enjoyed it for quite some time. It was paired with gtx 1050ti so I was pretty much gpu bottlenecked. Some time ago I swapped this ryzen to 3800x as I found superb offer at the time. Sadly it's not as good sillicon as 1600x. Cheers mate

[@Obie327]

@@semick4729 I totally understand that, I ended up getting the 3700X that I under volted to 75 mv. It kinda keeps up with my 5700x I got recently. What a great time to upgrade my AM3 platforms. Cheers!

[@98SE]

I'd love a video on the R5 2600! :)

[@KonglomeratYT]

I made the mistake of buying a 4 core intel just before the first Ryzen's release. My render times were atrocious. A simple swap to AMD doubled my render speeds. Incredible what 4 more cores will do. Never went back to intel after that.

[@mayorplayz]

I think it was a wise decision for me to wait 3 years for the intel 10th gen launch back in April 2020 to pick up the i7 10700K, probably the best CPU purchase of my life, i then use my previous build's GT 610 till the launch of the 30 series and then buy a 3070 on launch back in September of 2020

[@dangingerich2559]

I still have my 1700X. It's doing duty as my storage server with 8X2TB SSDs on the on board SATA and 8X 4TB HDD on an addon LSI HBA, and Windows Server Storage Spaces. It works very well. I get about 800MB/s transfer speeds from the SSD share with direct copies of large files, plus dedup rate of about 20 to 1 in the HDD Backup share.

[@TestingHardwareHD]

Bought a 1700 for around 160 from microcenter when it was pretty new. Coming from a FX8320 it was MASSIVE of an upgrade. I overclocked that 1700 to 3.9ghz easily and was happily gaming at around 120ish or higher in most games at the time. Eventually bought a 3700x because the main games I played were CPU bound and it was drop in solution. Sold the 1700 to a friend and made most the money back. AM4 was a great investment to me and I do not regret buying into it.

[@deagt3388]

I never liked 1st gen Ryzen, I broke my fingers on the keyboard leaving posts that us gamers don't need a workhorse! i7 3770K proud owner ;-)

[@hartsickdisciple]

Yeah, Zen 1 wasn't good for gaming. 3770k with a decent OC is faster.

[@DonTNguyen]

Got a Ryzen 1800x when it first launched with an x370 motherboard. 5 years later when AMD decided to support Ryzen 5000 on the x370 platform I upgraded to the R9 5950x and my PC became an amazing workstation, a 3x performance leap drop in upgrade from my 1800x.

[@CharcharoExplorer]

It is imprtant to note that Witcher 3 NExt Gen has a broken DX12 implementation. It actually uses CPU threads worse than the DX11 version.

[@ChiquitaSpeaks]

DX12 superiority 🙄!

[@CharcharoExplorer]

@@ChiquitaSpeaks No, CDPR incompetence.

[@asstofu]

I think it's worth noting that the 1700 had a TDP of just 65W and testing at 1080p not 1440 (though I know you did this because this puts more strain on the CPU), otherwise amazing video. I still use my day 1 1700.

[@NAKADZI]

Relevant👍 It's also worth noting that disabling the Spectre/Meltdown patch leads to an additional 3-5% performance gain on Zen 1-3 CPUs and Intel equivalents

[@styles234]

I'd love to see how to slightly refreshed Zen+ chips are handling modern gaming. Something like the 2700x maybe? Love the quality and presentation of your videos!

[@fantasmatico100]

thank you, i have the r5 1600 for my build in 2017 and i think it's time for something better, great video and great cpu's from amd :D

[@Omonarc]

The thing about Zen 1 was that they weren't designed to be long-term gaming CPUs, but long-term workstation CPUs. That makes them ideal for "retirement" into home servers and DIY routers running Debian or some other version of Linux. Not to mention, a lot of AM4 motherboards are getting their last updates, which should keep them usable for at least another five years. AM4 was a legendary platform, and I'm glad I started with the 1700.

[@arz1898]

Nice video as always!

[@davenewton9652]

I bought a Ryzen 1700 two years ago, matching it with a B350 motherboard that came with a PCI slot - useful for mucking around with legacy stuff. It replaced a Phenom II x4 965 that I bought in 2012 - though that had seen some RAM & GPU upgrades over the 9 years. Realistically the most day-to-day stress this 1700 gets is running distributed computing applications through 'BOINC'. With the current BIOS the m/b will take anything up to a 5950X and another 32GB of RAM, so I think this set-up could realistically also last the best part of a decade before changing motherboard to whatever is current some-time in the late 2020s.

[@prycenewberg3976]

I think it's important to remember the 1700's primary competitor: The 7700K. Tech Press likes to remember the 8700K, but the 8700K didn't launch until AFTER Ryzen, so I appreciate your inclusion of the 7700 in this comparison. btw, to your comment about running a lower CAS with B-Die? Maybe. I had a 1700 and I had B-Die. Getting it to boot at the advertised 3200 14 was a challenge (often taking multiple attempts), and it became harder the longer I had it. When I finally retired the chip, it wouldn't run those settings. Period. I upgraded a couple years ago to a 3900X (the 12 core). That can boot my RAM at 3200 14 no problem.

[@OcihEvE]

Right now I am running an R7 1800X with an RX 590, B450 32GB DDR4 3000. The setup carried me through the Pandemic shit storm so it was certainly worth the $800 Cad ($600 US) I paid to build new back then. Good luck building in 2023 with that price point.

[@NAKADZI]

I would like to recommend disabling the Spectre/Meltdown patch if you want to get an additional 3-5% performance on Zen 1-3 CPUs and equivalents from Intel 💫🌟

[@hayseedfarmboy]

Elsa has a new RTX 2060 super for 175$ on alliexpress be a great upgrade for you now that AMD dropped support for Polaris, and if prices on the new Ryzen 5700 (non X) just not many out yet, its an OEM 3rd gen memory version of the 5700X that is just now being sold to the public, but used 5600G are going for less than 115 $ and used 5500 are going for around 80$ new less 100$ great for a B450 system,

[@Jacob-ly8vs]

Started out my PC building journey with a Ryzen 5 2600X and a GTX 1660. They served me very well on my crappy 75hz 1080p monitor for years. Just upgraded to a 5600X, rx6700XT, and much-higher refresh rate monitor. My AM4 experience has been fantastic and I don't regret it one bit. My plan is to skip AM5 and save money until 2027 for my next build.

[@davidfigueroa8335]

I rocked a Ryzen 5 1600 until early this year like three months ago although the first gen of zen had it’s issues at the start it is definitely still a nice deal for a budget gaming/developer computer. I use a Ryzen 5 5500 now.

[@jonhhotz2412]

Nice content, i still rocking in a 1600x @ 4.7ghz, still holding up with my 2060 super. Love your vids btw!

[@trackingdifbeatsaber8203]

Bro has the sub zero chiller 💀

[@jonhhotz2412]

@@trackingdifbeatsaber8203 its a thermaltake frio ock snow from 2015

[@jonhhotz2412]

@@trackingdifbeatsaber8203 had do buy custom brackets to use it, but it was worth, the cool side of this cooler is that have a physical potenciometer that control speed

[@yasu_red]

That's one hell of an OC for Zen 1, they usually topped out at 4.1ghz for most people.

[@trackingdifbeatsaber8203]

@@jonhhotz2412 that looks like a regular but large tower cooler, without below 0c/24f you wouldn't be getting higher than 4ghz on first gen Ryzen. 4.7ghz is basically impossible without liquid nitrogen, did you make a typo. 5.2 GHz with LN2 seems to be as high as it gets and around 4.1 without it, did you mean 3.7ghz?

[@creakyc]

I bought a 1500X a few months ago for $50 in-box with a Wraith Spire cooler. I am currently using it with a 2080 and I'm surprised how well it's actually keeping up. I have a 5600X on the way, but this 1500X has exceeded my expectations.

[@MrVicho13]

That chip definitely is causing bottleneck, your mind will be blown away once you get the 5600X

[@oj2416]

i am enthusiasts also recently i have been trying to speak English but daeem your english is so amazing to hear 😮

[@internziko]

Excellent video. I don't think anyone is surprised by these results. I know i wasn't. Zen 1 wasn't great for dedicated gaming on launch day and was more of a solid all around chip (and still is) especially at it's phenomenal price.

[@slooomy95]

I have this ryzen 7 1700 till this moment and happy to see some one review this after years thanks brother And I want now upgrade I think I will go with ryzen 9 7900 non x

[@meckerhesseausfrankfurt4019]

Same here!

[@LilasTools]

1800x @ 4GHz for many many years now! Love my 1st gen Ryzen ❤❤❤

[@StaelTek]

I had the 1700 in May 2017 till March 2021. I don’t have much positive to speak on it to be honest. Especially the first 6 months was absolute hell with constant BIOS updates, broken RAM compatibility and limited overclocking options (i used an X370 board). I came from a 4790K and man do i regret selling that setup to go AM4. I finally got enough money to get rid of the 1700 and went back to Intel and haven’t had weird compatibility issues, BIOS updating every 3 weeks and more OC options to my liking. Learned a hard lesson on getting caught up in the hype.

[@RFLCPTR]

You could have upgraded to a better CPU though

[@StaelTek]

@@RFLCPTR unfortunately, MSI decided to make 2-3 different motherboard with almost the same name and i only discovered that after i went back to Intel. Regardless, i regret selling the 4790K because of the hype that Ryzen got.

[@RFLCPTR]

@@StaelTek I mean, I understand what you mean, Ryzen 1st Gen was on par if not worse than Haswell for Gaming, but the godlike upgrade path cant be denied

[@StaelTek]

@@RFLCPTR for sure and i do appreciate AMDs commitment to it (even when they were trying to pull an Intel move regarding B450 and Ryzen 5000 before people made them change their minds). And i know a lot of happy Ryzen owners that still runs B350 and B450 boards with 5700X in them.

[@od1sseas663]

Ryzen 1000/2000 series where bad at gaming even back in 2017. Made a huge mistake getting a R5 2600. My friends i5 8400 does better so it actually lasted more with only 6 Threads.

[@memonrunescape]

I remember buying my first zen cpu back in 2017, I ordered a R5 1600 and it came with 8 cores lol still have it sat in the box.

[@mikebruzzone9570]

very diverse salvage coverage thank you. mb

[@mikebruzzone9570]

So upgrade ur AM3/4 1700_ to 4700G and 5600X plenty of those available in WW channel. C Mike knows what goes on. mb

[@mikebruzzone9570]

whoops I had to press the buy button for full 5800X board combo price = $368 so $190 more than 5960X x99 combo. mb

[@marcc5768]

I built a hybrid new/used ryzen 5 1600 rig in Jan 2021 it's my gaming setup..powered with an evga gtx 960 4gb. If ur not really playing AAA titles, nothing wrong IMO using Zen1 CPUs for gamin. I got my Ryzen 5 1600 and Asus Prime B350 Plus fro AliExpress, both were used. Ram I bought locally, new, 16GB 2 x8GB Gskill Flare X 3200Mhz CL14.

[@alltheotherhandlesaretaken]

You need to test the ryzen 5 4500. It’s quite close in price to a used 1700 and if you take into account that it’s brand new and comes with a stock cooler, it becomes a very competitive product with this chip.

[@trackingdifbeatsaber8203]

That could be interesting but I reckon the 3500x of alia express with 32mb of L3 cache compared to the 8mb of the 4500. Also it is 49 Usd rather than 62. But it only has 6 threads instead of 12. Unrelated but this 1700x scores better in civ 6 than my 5900x by 0.04 seconds

[@DarkLinkAD]

@@trackingdifbeatsaber8203 But how are the .1% lows

[@trackingdifbeatsaber8203]

@@DarkLinkAD no idea it would depend on the game I just assumed the extra cache would be more important

[@alltheotherhandlesaretaken]

​@@trackingdifbeatsaber8203 it's aliexpress so there might be extra shipping and import costs and no warranty. not to mention you might not get a cooler on some of them. overall a brand new chip that includes a cooler and will present no issues with potential bent pins is better imo

[@trackingdifbeatsaber8203]

@@alltheotherhandlesaretaken 3600 then, locally they are cheap and will destroy the 4500

[@kingcrackedhen3572]

I just got hold of a 1700x to help a friend get a bit closer to the present day so thanks for the video, I can show him this vs the 4th gen i5 I gave him

[@espertalhao041]

There are a few problems with the benchmark: 1- Ryzen 1st gen required that you install and enable a specific Windows power profile, for it to work properly 2- The Infinity Fabric clock is tied to the RAM clock, in 1st and 2nd generations. A 3000Mt RAM kit will cause the Infinity Fabric to run at 1500MHz. If you have the possibility, you should re-test this with an higher RAM speed.

[@Deccrr]

I upgraded to a 5700X from a 1700 just 2 days ago. This is a great video.

[@6r3ys0n]

Enjoying my Tuf 4090 and 12900KS but I love deep dives into the OG hardware

[@erisdelta5950]

Luckly i decided to upgrade my setup in early 2019 and where able to pick up a 2700X instead of the 1700X, still rocking the same CPU 4 years later and it hasn't let me down so far for 1080p gaming and some video editing on the side.

[@gerthddyn]

In general this tracks with my experience, I found my 1800x about the same performance as my 4790k that it was replacing on anything that didn't need the extra cores. But it did mean that I could keep discord up without having substantial issues on some games. All of them were bottlenecked by my Fury X. I replaced that with a cheap Vega 64 and then bought a cheap 2700x to get better ram compatibility when they went cheap, both improved my overall experience a lot with fewer random crashes that I couldn't track down exactly and some speed improvement. I picked up a 2080Ti when people were dumping them just prior to the 3000 series launch, and I got my 5800x3d late last year at retail from Microcenter, and that overall just changed my entire outlook. I've been pretty comfy for a while now. That has been my experience with the same motherboard and socket since shortly after the release of AM4 motherboards.

[@justinmacneil623]

Just upgraded my Ryzen 1700 to a 5700X to get another few years out of my 32GB of RAM and motherboard. Very happy!

[@B.E.3.R]

I had the "privilege" of using an R5 1600 on an MSI B350M Gaming Pro. The damn thing bluescreened CONSTANTLY. Maybe it was my inexperience with setting up drivers correctly. Maybe it was my insistence to run Windows 7 on it (despite there being official support for it). Maybe it really was just the motherboard as I eventually received a replacement unit from the retailer. Either way, the moment the second board came in and proved to be stable...is the moment I put up an ad selling it, and was lucky to get most of my money back as I only used it for a few months. I learned the hard way NEVER to bother with first generation products, no matter who they come from. Now Ryzen 2000...completely different story: Rock solid from day 1, and still in use in my secondary system. A pleasure to work with. Right now I would recommend a Ryzen 5 3600 CPU for those on a tight budget (in my country it's 80USD, tax included, brand new) or a Ryzen 5 5600 if the budget allows. The AM5 ecosystem, being only in its first gen, is...proving to be a minefield (sometimes literally XD), so until things are truly ironed out, I will continue to recommend AM4.

[@firisrozley5768]

Impressive to see the longevity of AM4 motherboards, giving the flexibility of gamers to upgrade older Zen 1 chipsets to the still relevant Zen 3 chipsets. With that said, unless if you're into Linux gaming, home server & emulation, it is best to avoid all Ryzen 1000 & certain Ryzen 2000 chipsets that are not compatible officially with Windows 11.

[@AvroBellow]

This was my first Ryzen CPU and it served me very well.

[@annihilatorg]

I bought a 1700x build not long after release. The old saying "never buy 1st gen" applies, but it really kicked the desktop market into high gear. Without it, Intel would have continued to sit on their quad cores. For me, the upgrade path was great (1700x -> 3600x -> 5800x) and I only recently upgraded to an x570s board to overcome some x370 problems. Outside of games, Zen 1 was still a monster compared to anything mainstream Intel.

[@retrotechpinas3640]

Something is weird with the results. It could be slower than the haswells sure but to be even slower than sandybridge? Something is off. Tried doing 2x8gb config on the ram? Too much latency with four rams sticks might be skewing the results. Surely you won't run out of ram with 16gb on the test suite of games you used.

[@mrjaked420]

a family member found a pc on the side of road last year. had a ryzen 51400. i was a on 4th gen i3. hell of a upgrade imo

[@jordancourse5102]

I just upgraded from the 1700 to a 5700x. Good thing is i still have my 1700. I'm gonna put it to some good use again soon.

[@yasu_red]

It was the start of something great, but even Zen+ is a much better buy these days for most things due to the improvements in cache (or was it memory?) latency that was one of Zen's big low points.

[@error4159]

It was fix to the onboard memory controller on Zen+ chips that improved it's memory compatibility and stability over first gen Zen chips.

[@Deejay.mds.]

The 128-bit AVX2 issue was only resolved in the 3000th generation

[@Trick-Framed]

Funny story about that. Zen was supposed to be Zen+. They had been sitting on it for a while, trying to perfect it when corporate told them they needed to take whatever they had to mill and that was that. Good thing too, they were looking at bankruptcy.

[@error4159]

Originally there was going to be two separate lines of Ryzen cpu's. An eight core sixteen thread chip aimed at the HEDT and workstation market and a high clocked four core eight thread chip for the desktop. But due to a AMD's lack of money and low yields of 4ghz+ Zen chips the faster desktop line was cancelled. If things had gone as planned, most of us would still be using four core chips, while eight core chips would cost $699 (or more) and need a equally expensive motherboard. Thank God for Zen's inability to overclock, lol.

[@ado-ho5kh]

​@@Trick-Framedimagine a world without amd

[@Rabbit_AF]

I just upgraded from my 1800x to a 5700g. According to the CPU-Z, the single core performance benchmark for my 1800x is ~400 and my 5700g is ~620. It's crazy how it's 50% faster. I wish AMD made a monolithic CPU that replaced the graphics in the APU with cache instead. The 5700g scored 15112 recently on R23 with PBO on auto and CO to -10 all cores. I didn't really need to upgrade from the 1800x it was doing a great job.

[@albal156]

Had a 1700 myself but I had gone for an X470 board and I wanted to the better RAM compatibility that Zen+ provided. The 2700X was a great iterative CPU upgrade had higher clockspeeds and the stock CPU cooler was just great. Im now on a 5900X. I ended up selling my 1700 in the end. Kinda wished I'd kept it but I had no money back then being a student and needed it to buy other components and I have neither the room or time right now to get it into a rig to do something with.

[@chrisblack6258]

When the 1700 just came out, the games were mostly not utilizing the extra threads. Back then the Gamers Nexus said it's an i5 in gaming, now look at it in newer games, it seems to be more or less equal or a bit better than the i7 of the same generation.

[@muggsHD]

Zen was hugely important for the CPU space in breaking Intel's complete domination of the market and finally giving us more than 4 cores in the mainstream consumer space, after over a decade of stagnation in that regard. However, Zen, and Zen+, are kind of aging like spoiled milk. I recently upgraded from the flagship 2700X to the bottom of the barrel 5500 and the performance increase in CPU-bound titles was a bit silly

[@SanctusBacchus]

It's not quite that bad, I'm on a 5800X3D now and my 2600X is usefully utilized in my living room gaming machine... There's plenty of worse options

[@GraveUypo]

i made a similar upgrade and barely felt a difference. i felt way more when i went from the 5600x to the 5800x3d... which i did only because i felt the 5600x wasn't a good enough upgrade from the 2700 for the price i paid.

[@muggsHD]

@@SanctusBacchus Yeah, there certainly are, I just meant that I doubt that these Zen and Zen+ are gonna age very well, considering how far (in my personal experience and judging from this video), they've fallen behind their modern counterparts

[@muggsHD]

@@GraveUypo interesting, we had very similar upgrades but experienced them very differently. maybe it depends on the type of game you play? F.ex Metro Exodus made no difference (gpu-bound), whereas Forza Horizon 5 exhibited a 40% fps increase with lows scaling accordingly. Could also be that the ability to enable SAM with the 5500 helped, since I wasnt able to do so the 2700X

[@BlackThunderRC]

Had mine at 4Ghz and Overclocked memory to 3600Mhz " it just ran dont ask me how" Paired with a GTX 1070. MSI x470 Pro Carbon Mono. Was a brilliant combo ! 1st gen ryzen flourished with fast memory !

[@ReetinEntertainment]

I have a Ryzen 1700 in my secondary computer. I use it as my stream machine/Plex/Jellyfin server. For that purpose, it has been amazing.

[@adinnugroho6544]

Before I know this CPU, I actually love the Intel CPU products ever since I was kids. My Laptop and Desktop are run on Intel. Although it might be holding back for now After know it, it was a quite a thing. And didn't realize if their CPU as better in some places. Was thinking to use it for the first time. Maybe when I buy new PC

[@andrewquinn5946]

I still have one of these stashed away somewere, the IPC was nowhere near intel at the time but it was still a solid CPU.

[@DonaldWyman]

This is interesting to watch. I am going to be playing with a R5 1600 and R5 5600 this weekend, mostly because I had to buy the 1600 to upgrade the bios on my b450 motherboard to be able to run my 5600. It is neat to see what kind of performance difference I should see playing with both. I am upgrading from a fx8320, so I want to see how all 3 compare to each other, so I have run a few benchmarks of that one while waiting on the 1600 to come in(I already have the 5600 just can't use it until having the 1600).

[@OliTheRepairDude]

Some tips for TPM 2.0 error on Valorant on windows 11 for Ryzen 1st gen user. Get a TPM 2.0 module and enable the use of it on BIOS. Also enable secure boots.

[@gdjaybee742]

The biggest reason why prominent and many tech reviewers gave this CPU raving review even when objectively it was far from competitive against the top end CPUs of Intel it was also just good enough, was that the industry as a whole realize Intel needed competition in order to force Intel to innovate to compete. Unfortunately, for early adopters, this CPU never really delivered on the potential of many threads in terms of raw performance. Only people who adopted Zen3 and the Ryzen 5xxxx series are now reaping its full potential.

[@JamesSmith-sw3nk]

Good video. The great news is almost all Ryzen 7 1700/1800x owners can sell that cpu and with a simply bios update do an upgrade to a 5800x3d which has been on sale for as low as $275 U.S.

[@cyberpunk59]

That was my first cpu, for the price I got it at, 200 euros, just after the release of zen +, I was pretty happy of its price to performance ratio paired with a 400 euros vega 64 nitro.

[@0n0nym0us0]

I don't recall that generation being marketed much for gaming, but as a productivity tool, the extra cores really shined and outdid Intel's offerings.

[@PlasmaJunkie]

Love the music.

[@benjaminbain1769]

I am looking for a budget build to use as an all-round workhorse replacement for my current rig, and seeing that price towards the end definitely makes it an interesting prospect. For context, I will be replacing a rig that has an i7 3770k @4.5 ghz w/ 32 gb 2400mhz ddr3 & rx 6700xt. It has been a gaming/editing rig since I initially built it more than 10 years ago, and it is finally starting to show its age with what I throw at it.

[@attilavs2]

That cpu bottleneck though

[@GyroCannon]

First gen Ryzen was really not about top FPS in games. Ryzen only got competitive in games with the 5000 series. But I still went from an i5-6600 to a Ryzen 5 1600. I wanted to play games on a 60 FPS monitor while watching streams on a separate tab (which I still do today), and the 4 extra threads helped out a lot for that. No regrets whatsoever.

[@lflyr6287]

Iceberg Tech : Ryzen 7 1800X + Asus Prime X370-A + 2 x 32 GB GSkill Ripjaws DDR4 3600 MH/T CL16 here....running them at those speeds since 2017 when I bought the setup and had like the 5-th BIOS version (september 2017) preloaded on it. Since then I've been upgrading the BIOS quite regularly and have never had any issues with memory settings....and these Ripjaws aren't nearly widely compatible as for example Kingstons are. Since 2017 I've personally built over 200 Ryzen based rigs and I've only had memory issues on one board out of almost every single A320/B350/X370/B450/X470 that I've build upon....and that was Asus Crosshair VII Hero X470 which had a mind of its own when it comes to debugging codes and memory modules in conjunction with Ryzen 3000 processors....but probably was partially faulty on a hardware power delivery side, hence weird debugging issues.

[@Pruflas-Watts]

Boy I still got my FX-8350 still chugging along with a RX 6600 crying on those 8x pcie 2.0 lanes. I'll never retire my pile driver!!!

[@pawanrohidas1163]

Still using this till date

[@neverletthemtameyou]

I personally go with 2600 and 3600 for my budget builds, depending on what is available. As I understand it first gen Zen had some hickups.

[@aquilarossa5191]

Before Ryzen, the only AMD chip I had was around 2001 when I got the K7 Thunderbird, i.e., the first consumer x86 CPU to break the 1Ghz barrier. I ran Intel between that CPU and getting interested in Ryzen, but I did not make the switch until Zen+ and a 2700X. Intel had pissed me off too many times, e.g., the plebs "only ever need four cores", or a new CPU usually means also getting a new mobo and ram, etc. I wanted to support AMD against Intel's monopoly pricing and practices, even though I knew it might cost me a few FPS here and there. Aside from that I run DAW software for my electric guitar stuff. DAWs like cores -- that Intel was not giving us. I went 2700X, 3700X, and now 5900X all on the same Asus ROG B450-F mobo. I can not remember Intel doing similar for us for over 20 years, if ever. Intel can get effed forever lol (Nvidia too). I am planning to skip Zen 4 and go Zen 5 if AMD get it right. Zen 4 is very decent, but my trusty old AM4 is still keeping up with everything I need it to, plus I do not want to pay to upgrade the entire platform just yet. P.S. I have gone from almost two decades of paying the Intel, Nividia, and early adopter tax, to being a late adopter. I also like the savings over the bottomless money pit of trying to stay on the bleeding edge of tech (in games too, e.g., I wait for DLC bundles and the bug fixes to be out).

[@giserson2]

Looks like the 1700 is still doing fine for anyone still rocking an old 2017 build with something like an RX 580 or GTX 1070 or similar. I see little reason to upgrade for anyone not looking to spend a ton on a new GPU with decent RT performance.