Re: RageAfterStorm Request

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00:00 Intro. This is not entertainment. And I am not an expert.
00:56 Is race realism bigotry?
02:01 What RageAfterStorm was talking about was extremely important.
02:36 Some personal thoughts
04:36 The walls in our minds
05:33 Reaction to Rage After Storm’s video
06:06 Were her facts accurate?
08:20 Things I am not sure about.
08:45 Logic vs. precision, and morality when dealing with individuals
10:22 What I didn’t like about the video/Could we break bread?
12:08 Why the information is important. (I meant to say average low IQ when talking about immigrants)
13:30 I want to live in a moral world, not just an ordered one.
Thank you for watching.
LINKS:
The RageAfterStorm video I watched (reuploaded). If it's removed I can potentially host it on my own website if, for some reason, I want to do that:
• Video
My initial Race and IQ video and the literature review it referenced:
• Race and IQ, Fascinate...
www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredso...
American Psychological Assocation (APA) admittance:
www.unc.edu/~nielsen/soci850/o...
www.iq-tests.eu/iq-test-The-v...
intelltheory.com/apa96.shtml
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelli... (Look at the last paragraph under Group Differences)
This is re that culture can influence behaviour in terms of influencing childhood, regarding the statement about environment probably affecting behaviour such as violence regardless of genes. I am not an expert on these topics and claim no such position.
www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/...
journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.11...
Influence of father presence on adolescent development
link.springer.com/article/10....
www.fatherhood.gov/content/fa...
FURTHER READING intelltheory.com/hotTopics.shtml
An interesting paper on studying humans that I came across while looking up data: www.researchgate.net/publicat...
EDIT: This is another video I did that addresses IQ and income with more sources in the description.
• I Can't Succeed Becaus...
EDIT: A useful link a commenter posted for deeper understanding of studying IQ and more current information
/ lets_talk_about_iq
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[@OutSideTheBoxFormat]

Reading Thomas Sowell will raise anyone's IQ! He's the man.

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

And yet most blacks hate him and disregard him.

[@Grace-yl9sb]

Clarence Spangle God no lol

[@khumomatlakane2009]

@Alchemica Blackwood according to?

[@khumomatlakane2009]

@Alchemica Blackwood ah nothing like anecdotal evidence.

[@persephonel2117]

This was the best video I've seen regarding this debate. You did an awesome job.

[@Kim-ut2xr]

I agree. I watched several and this was the most honest, comprehensive and well spoken.

[@DeandreSteven]

this is my greatest concern with race realism, im not against the idea as to whether certain races are more intelligent per se, im worried that it will be used as justification of treating individuals as a general and forgetting the capacity of the individual to rise above the average

[@Grytolle]

Deandre Chitay Yep, it wouldn't be very useful information if it weren't for the fact that it's something that can completely destroy the narrative of people who point to inequality of outcomes as proof of discrimination or systemic racism.

[@Kim-ut2xr]

The authors of The Bell Curve feared the same and considered not including it. Their hope was that it would be used to develop ways to improve peoples scores. Unfortunately, it was used by race bigoteers to create division and extort money from schools, governments and corporations. Folks like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson responded like pimps, compelling universities, companies, etc. to pay them for diversity training or they'd be labeled racists.

[@MizTameRumors]

Kim that's the thing about science, it's always neutral. It's down to us how we use that science....To me this study shows the disparity in the education system, not the inferiority of black people.

[@bategs900]

Deandre Chitay Unfortunately that's bound to happen. There are nut jobs every where. That's why it's important to preface race and IQ discussions.

[@paunaic5460]

I've never understand why people care so much about IQ. You don't have to be a genius to put effort and accomplish good things and your dreams, and you don't have to be stupid to be an ass that fails in life.

[@AxetehBarbarian]

Even if the statistic for racial IQ's is accurate, it's just good practice to assume people around you are at least as smart as you yourself are until proven otherwise for a given individual. Underestimating people never works to anyone's benefit. Treating people as individuals and adjusting your approach accordingly is a much better way of doing things.

[@Anon-nv7bp]

AxeTheBarbarian "Even if the statistic for racial IQ's is accurate" Oh but they are, it's very very well documented, you can look up online countless different IQ tests from different organisations. "it's just good practice to assume people around you are at least as smart as you yourself are until proven otherwise for a given individual" That's a pretty weak mentality. So basically assume that you are dumb and everyone else is smarter. What you should say is that don't be arrogant even if you are smart, not put yourself down and assume you're the lowest IQ individual in the room.

[@AxetehBarbarian]

I said its best to assume people you don't know are at least as smart you are. That doesn't mean I think I'm the dumbest person in the room, I'm just not arrogant enough to think I'm smarter than people I don't know yet and I think it's a mistake to underestimate a stranger based on skin color.

[@Anon-nv7bp]

"I said its best to assume people you don't know are at least as smart you are." Which means assuming you're either the dumbest or joint dumbest person in the room, which is basically what I said. "I'm just not arrogant enough to think I'm smarter than people I don't know yet " Agreed, although putting yourself down isn't a great strategy either. It's best to assume you're average rather than below average. "I think it's a mistake to underestimate a stranger based on skin color." True, individuals should be judged on individual merit, although it cannot be denied that information on the IQ's of wider groups eg race, nationality, religious, political etc can be useful in comparing groups and shouldn't be ignored.

[@suzukisixk7]

it's just good practice to assume people around you are at least as smart as you yourself are until proven otherwise for a given individual you just made a type 1 error and got eaten

[@marshallwayne9270]

Race...isn't part of Biology though you can't apply the scientific method to get this information. Race is part of sociology IQ has been debunked constantly. Nowadays it's almost impossible to say that a whole country has one homogenous race much less a continent.

[@TejrnarG]

"I want to live in a moral world, not just an ordered one." Thats a wonderful quote. Did you coin it? : )

[@JustThinkingOutLoud]

I think so? It came from my head but maybe someone somewhere else has said it.

[@darman210]

I love the time stamps.

[@bigol9223]

@@johnperins3923 Dude why lmao

[@NateHaselton]

5K subscribers already. I knew you'd do well on here. You're a gem.

[@SuperFreeEducation]

You have an interesting point of view and deserve more viewers. Respect to my fellow Yardie.

[@rafnaegels8913]

time will give her the viewership she deserves.

[@honestonyx2545]

3:40 This is a really important thing for people such as myself who are encouraging the spread of Human bio-diversity awareness to keep in mind. It's a topic that makes people *extraordinarily* uncomfortable and it's very difficult to beat back your knee-jerk reactions at first. It took me almost a year to swallow the hbd/race realism pill, and I try to keep that in mind when discussing it with people. All around fantastic video JTOL.

[@honestonyx2545]

Yeah, I totally agree. I find that if you don't press on it too much, but instead, bring it up during a relevant conversation and don't bring attention to it, it'll plant a seed in their heads that eventually they'll get curious about. At least that's how it worked for me.

[@ThEuNkNoWn9999999]

Took me a couple of months, and i'm black. So it was definitely extra difficult for me to accept this stuff. I'm still iffy on exactly how much is nature and how much is nurture, but one thing is for certain, human bio diversity is real.

[@terrancevanliew1814]

Let me know what you think of this argument. I've already tested it on a race realist and it seemed to work pretty well. the basic premise is that the social hierarchy through which society functions has become the primary selective mechanism for our species. Women will generally go for men who are held up by their community as ideal. because these men are the one's producing the most children, they are the men who's genes are represented the most within the community. This could obviously have detrimental effects if the men held up by the community are worthless bums who contribute little uf anything to society at large. This is a problem with black communities that was somewhat outlined by Thomas Sowell. He talked about how criminals and criminal behavior are idolized by black youth. My argument is that this has a noticeable effect on the age at which people decide to have children, the amount of children they end up having, and the quality of the partners with which they bring those children into the world. Couple this with terrible learning enviroment both at school and in the household and you've got a system perfectly designed to produce dumb kids and subsequently a dumb overall population. My argument is that even genetic differences can be changed through social means, by improving not only the enviroment, but the structures of value present in the minds of it's average citizen. In order to argue with race realists, one has to be able to concede that there are major problems in black communities that don't all stem from institutions. The culture must be improved if we are to see any improvement in the quality of people produced by it on average.

[@grahepo]

just digest what president Trump said about pledging to the flag and there will be no prejudice, you are Americans regardless of race and religion

[@YourMom-fe7zm]

grahepo Sure.

[@luludrinkerofcoffee4035]

I thought it was strange that Rage lumped all of Africa together... as if they're one place. I know some Angolans and Nigerians and they're all intelligent and kind people.. so I think some old studies should be reevaluated for bias and possible flaws.. also what if there are differences also in IQ not among "blacks" but different African societies just like different "white" groups (even if they are close they weren't the same)? Africa is huge and diverse.. Sudan is not Ghana is not Cameroon.

[@dugebuwembo]

And as Africans we have the most genetic diversity in our genome we are truly diverse....

[@benjaminsmith2287]

Africans are not all the same "race" IMO. And I *am* talking about so-called "black" Africans, not including North Africans or white Africans or mixed Africans. There is an ethnicity in Nigeria, the Igbo, that excel academically in many areas of the world. That's one example yet they aren't all the same people either.

[@briankaul1201]

You are crushing it. You can learn from reading Thomas Sowell that Polish Jewish IQ increased by 15 points in a single generation. Attributing differences in IQ between groups to genetics by default is not as valid as many suppose. Also, pre-Enlightenment Scotts were a mess, and then went on to produce a wave of geniuses and achievements in all sorts of academic fields, only to shrink back into intellectual obscurity, again over the course of a few generations. That can't be genetics.

[@garyk3478]

Due to the Flynn effect, average intelligence has supposedly risen about 20 points since the 1950s. Also likely not genetics. It also means that those people pointing at black IQ scores as "proof" of idiocy are mocking their grandparents' generation just as much.

[@inurmomsbedroom123]

Black IQ's around the world often peak at 80 or less. Our grandparents generation had an IQ average of about 90-100. 10 or more points is a notable difference whether you want to swollow the multicultural propaganda or not.

[@stephenmoss877]

STURMGEWEHR _ KKKUNT!

[@inurmomsbedroom123]

Facts hurt

[@stephenmoss877]

STURMGEWEHR _ Carefully chosen bias is painless !

[@ClarinetInThePark]

Race at one time was defined by cranial structure not skin color. They changed that because people were scared of the implications of that. But the same thing happened when it migrated to skin color. I think cranial structure and genetics should be more important than skin color. You can be hispanic and be white, brown, black for example. I think something like a groups average IQ (which can be changed by working with puzzles, word games, and logic based puzzles. The IQ is something that is shown through action.) I think science particularly genetics should be allowed to do these experiments and look at race realism. As well as the family values. Jewish families are usually smarter, but the values of the family and that community maybe more of a factor than genetics, as well as the ethics of that group. As someone that has lived among black communities in the south. There are a lot of smart black people. But there are also problems. In the North there are more racism now as I live in the North now, than I ever witnessed in the south in my lifetime. There is problems with the white community we must address, there are problems within the black communities (I disagree with calling all black people Africans, black Americans are still Americans.) I think if we are allowed to do the studies that must be done based on "race" and this will allow us to understand how races are different and how they are not. I subbed fellow human being. I dont think race really matters, except for in the cultures which all people gravitate towards people most like them. Whether it be intellectually or racially. But I think it is something that should be studied without ideological interference (Feminism, Social Justice, Atheism, and Christian Fundamentalism which are the ideologies most damaging to American society in my opinion. Because they are divisive and all talk down to one or more groups they are ideologically opposed to.) Good video I agree with it. Just adding my opinion.

[@epfizerdoolittleajl2165]

The Wonderer I so agree with you.

[@arconite2842]

i'm happy for you JTOL, personally... i think knowing your own culture has issues and pointing them out is respectable. being afraid and/or being hesitant to embrace your own issues is normal, be it for race, region, country, or other various issues. Knowing your own self or people have a specific detriment, and then working to resolve it or be better than those prior.. is something that NEEDS to be shown, the resolve to be better than your parents generation is to be commended. the desire to not let pre-conceptions or ideas force you into a specific train of thought, and to MAKE yourself open to new ideas is something i have great respect for. keep going, you're doing fine. don't let anyone else say otherwise. It's okay to have a feeling of anger or react to hard data points with fear or frustration. you've already proven yourself better than 90% of humanity with your attitude and reasoning. Despite all data presented, you've shown through your own actions that data collected to show the average is just that, the average. the culmination of every person within said group averaged by the population vs their iq. Some people are much, much lower on the spectrum, while others like yourself exceed other racial groups intelligence averages. In short, never let an 'average' stop you from being yourself as only you can be you.

[@michelero4297]

AT 5:10 minutes into your video I agree with you wholeheartedly. I really hope we, as people, can start thinking more about the individual rather than a group.

[@marcusgaius]

Hands down, the best response to the video I've seen so far. And even though you do stress out the importance of emotions, you did this as level-headed as possible and kept to the point throughout the video. Such a rarity these days. Here, have a like. :)

[@r.weaver3769]

I hate labels, IQ does help recognize that persons overall potential, should be used to prevent poor choices, you don’t want a person with say 125 IQ in a low wage job, same as the person with 80 IQ will come out of college with only a debt they will never pay and still an 80 IQ. it should be used as a tool to discover that persons potentials, helping find their niche in life, and everyone has potential for something.

[@Bob_Cratchit]

R. Weaver, there absolutely is a chance that the 80 IQ person will land a very nice job due to affirmative action providing they meet the skin color/sex requirements. Most likely with the state where they will never be fired despite the inability to carry out their responsibilities, simply because they have that piece of paper and skin color/sex, which will give them a leg up on their fellow 80 IQ non-graduates, as well as the 125 IQ graduates that do not meet that skin color/sex requirement. No one seems to be concerned with the outcome of the displaced 125 IQ folk that would have gotten that job otherwise - we're sure they're smart enough to land on their own feet, most likely ending up with an 80 IQ requirement job. I do agree with your post - it is logical after all, but then logic is rarely in favor. We seem determined to fill the village with idiots.

[@gregglass4796]

R. Weaver wes

[@Kevinm1025]

Just came across your feed and so far it's been a pleasure to hear someone speaking with reason on these issues. Please keep it up

[@christinao940]

You navigated that difficult line with finesse. My admiration to you.

[@Kim-ut2xr]

I just found your channel tonight. Now I'm going to sleep better having more hope for the future. Thanks!

[@bategs900]

Hey @thinkingoutloud, I understand when you stated that rage after storm's message somewhat came off as condescending. However, I don't think she meant it to come off that way. I think her main goal was to trigger people with her satirical tone which of course appeared condescending to some. Like you mentioned, the message was true and her video got the attention she sought. EDIT: Would you think rage's message came off as condescending if she were black?

[@Yabberfrat]

I'm sure you've said it before in a video or two but where is your accent from? It's nice to listen to and I have not been able to pinpoint it to the specific location.

[@DanZhukovin]

Holy shit, this was absolutely incredible.

[@anodyne5368]

I think the issue draws more along the lines of freedom. Remember if you don't defend the right for rage after storm to have an opinion you only take away from your own INDIVIDUAL freedom. I hope you people consider this fact of life. Weather or not you feel emotionally hurt by an opinion or whatever you give in to your hate and fear and destroy your own freedom and abilities in the process.

[@user-dq9ne3bm5l]

I think you nailed it. Her video was overly harsh, especially when she said blacks on average aren't capable of thinking critically. She acted like blacks are goldfish or farm animals or something. So no, I don't think you should have a meal with her. On the other hand, I do think IQ is genetic to a degree and I'm glad some people are finally talking about it.

[@Sandmanofamarillo]

Wow you're really smart. When you were talking about emotional response like a few minutes in i was like yea. Most ppl don't say that. They acknowledge it in subtext and set it aside. I was like the cops could've photoshopped this then I was like oh ok.

[@masterwong1133]

I love this channel. I just subbed after watching your interview with Tree! 😎😎😘

[@TheOpenDebate]

You're probably one of my favorite new commentators here on youtube! I would love to have a discussion with you sometime!

[@JustThinkingOutLoud]

One day :)

[@guarddog318]

Am I the only one here that wishes Desiree (sp?) were their next door neighbor? ( Before anybody gets the wrong idea, it's because I'm tired of being surrounded by unintelligent, unimaginative, cowardly jackasses. Which my part of the world seems to breed. ) ( South east U.S. here )

[@vinceA3748]

I was thinking the same thing. Heck, I want her to be friends with my daughter. She would be a terrific role model.

[@silenttiger8046]

I have some thoughts and questions in which I would love to hear some opinions on. First, how can we put so much validity in IQ testing when there are so many types and variations of the test that exists? How much of the test is actual retention of information(education) and how much of it is our ability learn, understand and adapt to unknown things. Does that matter either way? So what would be the real point of an IQ test for someone? Second, this is a question I always like asking and hearing opinions on. Societies are varied in sizes but regardless are made up of many, many people. How can a society accommodate each and every single individual person as the individual they are? Is that even truly possible? If not, what generalizations should be used when dealing with a society? My personal opinion is that it is not possible. I think only individuals are capable of accommodating individuals. Societies have to use a basic generalization of "things" in order to function. What those "things" are is what I can not find myself being able to settle on.

[@timjansen7694]

If you want to report data, that's fine. Do it, and post the sources. Perhaps the biggest problem in the RageAfterTheStorm video was that she was smiling throughout in kind of a smug manner. It was pretty clear what her motives were and it was not humanitarian. Also there were proclamations made throughout the video concerning how whites were being blamed for various social problems among blacks. These statements make it an opinion video and not a factual video. That's fine too, but when opinions are introduced, it ceases becoming an informational video and one could argue, comes uncomfortably close to entering the realm of a racist video.

[@gerrycueto6649]

Mike Jansen true. she also didn't say who the video was for. Maybe she meant to respond to ultraliberals on MTV, but it looked racist as fuck to middle America. She gave no positive message to black people on how to solve and prevent crime. She didn't talk about how black people succeed and fail in extremes. You can have one black person who is smarter than all white people and another who is dumber and more dangerous than anyone in any race. She didn't do any research to account for outliers and how the IQ averages form.

[@LiveNKicking]

My personal contention with race realism is its implicit construct of hierarchical structure between the races overlooking the fact that an individual is not an average reflection of a race. The erasure of an individual to have the freedom to be one's self and not to be boxed into any racial stereotype is something I find repulsive and immoral.

[@gerrycueto6649]

and? We know that people are going to see what they want to see in the video. That's not good. She didn't set a tone. That hurts her because she didn't set up a base where she can defend herself when something goes wrong. i.e. "you didn't watch the part at the end where I said that this is a positive thing." If you don't set a tone, guess what happens? Your enemy will use it against you. Next thing you know the left will be letting murderers go free and crimes go unpunished because of "race realism" and "hey they couldn't help it" and "baww we care about minorities" Maybe the left will come up with "pedophile realism" to justify pedophilia because their DNA is not good. you GOTTA have a tone. You can't just spew random facts.

[@gerrycueto6649]

Did you read my post? It was about political strategy, not factual accuracy of the claims. I'm not a geneticist nor an anthropologist that has the authority to make stances in favor of which races are smarter or not. You want to argue about the factual accuracy of what Rage said, find an expert in those fields. BUT, I'm talking about the political consequences of such research. Is it really wise to spread awareness of race realism when the ultraliberals already believe this and are putting it into practice through affirmation action and racial equity? Google the term "racial equity" they want 50/50 equality in everything from jobs to jail cells. innocent whites in jail.. and black thugs go free. This topic can't be treated with "here are the facts bitch. take it or leave it," because the stakes are really high. For context, the funny part was that the skeptic community barely had any good rebuttals outside of being triggered, unfriending her, calling her racist, etc. It's an internet drama where nobody really won anything.

[@gregglass4796]

Tim Jansen wwwa

[@pseudopetrus]

I think that a smart person is different than a wise person. A wise person has an ability to reflect on their thoughts and beliefs in a questioning way. They are not intellectually insecure, that is to say that, they realize there is a great deal of complexity to issues and that jumping to a simple comfortable idea is not necessarily the best approach, even if it is painful to search for the greater truth. A smart person can take a selfish or bad idea and defend it well.

[@immortalfool7627]

I subscribed. I just fell in love with your mind! Keep posting please.

[@Kashados]

I don't have a problem with race realism, because I don't think that the moral worth of a person depends of his/her intelligence. And I find that it's stupidly naive to think that groups of people that evolved separately would end up being equal in everything. No, those groups developed different skills, some are more athletic, some are more aware of their surroundings, some are more intelligent, etc.

[@mtrublu]

I agree that it is most important to treat each person as an individual, rather than judging them based on their race. However, understanding trends and patterns can be very helpful. I view race realism as a two-edged sword. It can be used for good or evil. If one uses the data to find better ways to address the needs and improve the lives of the underprivileged, it can be a very good thing. If it is used to justify ill treatment of underprivileged groups, it can lead to the worst kinds of evil.

[@blackotter1]

My understanding was that the individual IQ test that are the most heritable (variance is largely determined by variance in genes), as determined by twin and adoption studies (researched independent of race), are also the individual IQ test where the measured difference between between races is the greatest (there is also a parallel argument with regards to 'regression to the mean' in IQ tests, which is a specifically genetic effect). Does knowing this make me, or anyone else, a racist? Absolutely not,. In fact it makes me realise how essential it is to treat everyone as an individual regardless of any average characteristics of a group they can be assigned to. So, the lesson for me from race and IQ studies, is DON'T BE A RACIST, treat every individual as the unique human being that they are. What can be me more agreeable than that? Keep the great videos coming. Thanks.

[@madzmorgie5048]

Idk the fact that people think intelligence can be measured and wrapped in neatly into a numerical box (intelligence quotient) and given so much credence is astounding in and of itself. In my experience most people who tout IQ online incessantly don't even know what it stands for ijs.

[@paulsmith1981]

In that can you wouldn't have any misgivings if you learn't that the surgeon who is just about to operate on you had an IQ of 80.

[@madzmorgie5048]

paul Smith Might as well go full strawman, as much as you would want an unmotivated, depressed, failure in life with a 140 iq to perform surgery on you as you go under the knife I suppose. Thanks for trying to address the problematic nature of biological determinism. 👌👌

[@madzmorgie5048]

Lawrence Newman There's no distinguishing distribution differences racially among alleles and I'm not getting some debate challenging consensus on frequency because possibility of overturning the status quo scientifically rn is literally zero. We're not going to overturn Flynn effect regardless of whether or not any race realist is gifted principle of charitability. And you don't need to ask if it's problematic as if scientific findings have no averse impact socially that has been premise for atrocious oppression that hasn't yet ceased.

[@paulsmith1981]

Saying there is no distinguishable distribution of allele between different racial groups is the same as saying there is no distinguishable differences between the ethnic Dutch and Congo pygmies. Science can't even come up with a workable definition for species. (see the species problem) there isn't a scientific consensus on what constitutes a species. What scientific consensus?

[@madzmorgie5048]

paul Smith There should be strong correlative scentific evidence of there being "genes for intelligence" empirically, and by that I mean mapped and identifiable. That's my standard for a subject so tenuous that has and will be used as a platform to claim collective superiority whimsically at best and at absolute worst, genocide. Anything else would be highly irresponsible. And about your reply I'm not going to reply to logical fallacies anymore, I'm not ultilizing them so that's my standard for discussion take it or leave it.

[@aaronpolhamus]

What an incredibly clear response, both intellectually and emotionally. You're a bright spirit. Keep up the great work!

[@Tyler_0_]

Wow, that was actually quite a brilliant and concise review. You need more subs.

[@alisaz1837]

“If it really is ‘as nature intended’ then you don’t need to draw up plans to make it happen” Spot on

[@aprilbaker847]

Wow! You are an incredible person with a well balanced, and healthy self- esteem. And its great for someone to have a high i.q., but like you said, that doesn't necessarily mean they're always a happy, nice person, or have a healthy way looking at things...And it also doesnt mean a high i.q. is a bad thing either! People are people and and should be judge on their characters more thing anything,,,Especially If its for friendship.

[@bryanmchugh1307]

100% correct OP. I also stopped watching Molyneaux when I caught him slipping the word "race" completely out of context...right after he spends another 15 minutes explaining how NOT racist he is....

[@notyoure5092]

Do you have a twitter

[@thehoodservative]

the more honest we are about race the easier it will be to be honest about gender.

[@csapienza001]

Have you ever considered posting a review video of the KZbin channel Alternative Hypothesis?

[@8aleph]

No problem an be solved unless it can be openly discussed without accusations and recrimination. The problem with the African American population is the breakdown of the family. Your presentation was Brilliant young lady

[@thegeniusfool]

The thing is that even the factors that are genetic might be affected by epigenetics, like environment, fluoride in the water, stress hormones etc. And, these are not psychological factors but purely biological and/or chemical, amplifying or subduing the expression of certain proteins conducive for high performance cognition. So, I think even studies showing genetic variance between population groups could be exaggerated, at least when it comes to what people *can* achieve in the right environment. I have read the Bell Curve and many similar bundles of studies or meta studies, but the whole "awakening" to epigenetics the last few years might shed new (and quite positive) light on these issues. Hopeful.

[@dodruaidh9146]

"Predominantly genetically determined." That was a mouthful. You are brave to tackle this emotive issue.

[@JacaboBlanco]

subbed and notifications on. brilliant! very much inline with my idol, Thomas Sowell great video. very unique to see someone able to take this info objectively, remove emotions, and also focusing on the aspect of how this is ON AVERAGE. you can't use aggregate data and patterns to judge individuals. this is the most important distinction between facts, and racism.

[@jamalcharles9533]

Hello. I noticed Caribbean accent in your voice. Are you Jamaican?

[@obsidianseventyone1483]

Intelligence is a personal endowment. I get to be as selfish as I want to in it's regard. Collectivism makes no sense in this context because even if you raise overall IQ people will always call out the Top 10 or 20%. Humans have always found plenty of reasons to separate and divide themselves.

[@user-cz1ex7kf2g]

A society that can only ensure the dignity of all of it's citizens through the denial of basic facts is a society that is doomed to fail. Accepting the reality of racial differences is not racist, denying basic human decency based on those differences is.

[@gerardgmz]

Let's develop an LQ (love quotient) we can appreciate our differences and still apply the golden rule.

[@StephenTovey1960]

this was a brave video... my experience as a white man, around primarily white people, was that the high IQ people seem to have supportive and comfortable backgrounds with lots of positive help...It will be interesting to see what happens with intelligence as information becomes available to all races...and as more people worldwide get to move out of poverty...

[@mattfleming2287]

Great response! Well thought out and expressed. The only thing I would critique is making statements immediately after saying that this is a subject you don't know about. I look forward to going through your videos.

[@HindiRapGuru]

I was curious to know more about this topic and saw your video but I'm sorry all of your argument fails in comparison to Rage's video because of EMOTIONS! You actually agreed to most of her points btw, and I know humanitarian deed is good, also Individuality is nice but that is NOT HOW REAL WORLD WORKS! It feels you just got offended somehow with her video but you did not present any logical reasons or evidence like she did to debunk her, everything you said were feelings and I have nothing against that but that is not how you win an argument. I agree with you in somewhat that "Group Study" is not always viable but then if you start doing "Individual Studies", it has a never ending problem just like identity politics, you appease one but then you leave the other or if you appease all then you can never come to a solid conclusion "who is better?" (as everyone could be better at something and you cannot say everyone is better in one thing) which is not fair either way, so to "generalize" things IS NECESSARY. Laws, Rules, Categories, Genres etc. are made for a reason and so is "Group Study", to have a common base (in majority) and to have one outcome, which makes more sense, can be easier to explain and understood by many people. Nothing against you, keep up the good work though! :)

[@Nenebee1024]

I feel like because RageAfterStorm is not from the American continent the perspective and exposure she has limits her ability to see why people like SomeBlackGuy, AndyWarski, etc. think it is wrong. Especially because of the drama that started between TreeofLogic and SBG over it. TreeofLogic spent time in Germany and has a pretty European point of view because of her preference for Germany, so she was able to see it from RageAfterStorm's point of view which likely played a role in her strong defense of RageAfterStorm. Just putting that out there

[@ScrupulousAtheist]

Couldn't agree more. Individuals are not populations. Average IQ for groups can highlight issues that hopefully can be addressed. Just because one belongs to a group they don't necessarily represent every attribute of that group. People can be studied and grouped together in meaningful ways. I think it is more correct to say that IQ correlates with larger "tribes/communities/groups" The most natural form of human grouping is the tribe (like a "school of fish" or a "pride of lions," the same analog would be a "tribe of humans") This is not race dependent, but species dependent. Also, IQ wasn't as important as it is today because culture was less IQ dependent then it is now. Culture wasn't based so much on technology. I don't know what is in RageAfterStorm's heart. She didn't seem racist to me and her "Race is Real" video could be said to be inelegant. I don't find it healthy that a subset of youtubers simply want to crush those they disagree with. It's almost like it never occurred to some that she could just simply be wrong/disagree with them etc... I love your accent btw.

[@therockbiter8140]

The best thing about the US, is that the slim majority of us still believe in the individual as the paramount, at least everyone I know on the center right/left and of course libertarian sides. I'm not sure which way we are trending unfortunately. the far left beast of intersectionalism is now consuming it's own heads. And the far right which is also leftist in value seems to be retreating into itself again. As someone who is middle right and halfway up the libertarian scale, I say it doesn't matter if there is truth to it or not, there are all different kinds of intelligence and you have to find your own way to get ahead. This is a free country and with the freedom every individual has to succeed on their own merit there is the freedom to fail. We can only give everyone equal access to the ladder, and hope they find their own way, and if they don't we have to accept that it's not some sort of systemic bias.

[@ghostface5559]

Low iq rates means room for improvement. To say its some sort of permanent aspect of life is bigotry. It'd be nice that one day everyones on the exact same playing field.

[@illwill2453]

the terms "culture" - "environment" and "genetic expression" become circular in her reasoning. If and when culture is conflated with environment (as she nearly explicitly did) then genes will adapt themselves to culture. This implies that in order to change genes you must change culture (or genetic manipulation would result in a different culture). One of the problems in modern society is the failure to realize that different races (genes, average IQs) have not only created fundamentally different cultures, but continue to create and/or reinforce existing cultures that remain fundamentally different. We then arrive at a chicken and the egg problem - which came first, my culture/environment and then my genetic predisposition or my genetic predisposition which leads to particular expression of culture/environment? Depending on how you answer this question will force your hand as to what you think should be done given fact X within the field of "race realism" facts. You will either locate the "problem" in the culture/environment and seek to change it, or you will locate the problem in the genes themselves (average group traits which may or may be expressed in the individual) as expressed by a genetic group's group average. And here you might notice an interest term "genetic group." Race is one of several "genetic groups" from which troubling or unclear-how-to-handle data might be farmed - all women have average trait X lower compared to men, for example. To deny this facts, the facts as such, is merely foolish. To implement solutions in the appropriate manner, insofar as the facts are even deemed problematic - this should be the true topic of discussion - not whether differences exist between the races, but rather, what is the appropriate response to these differences. A key phrase in the video which locates a problem is "Logical but not precise." She made her best point with that one statement. We must at all costs avoid action which is logical at the average scale but entirely unjustified at the individual scale. And I think that what that will essentially mean is that there is little to be done with this information at all.

[@andypandy6719]

Race realism is only a problem when people judge individuals bases on their membership of a group. That said, I question the value of this type of research, particularly given the propensity of so many people to use these statistics for nefarious purposes.

[@orlock20]

IQ tests were only deemed worthy of finding retardation in children. Equatorial Guinea has an average IQ of 59, so by U.S. standards they would be mentally unfit to even feed themselves.

[@andypandy6719]

nick - I'm well aware of the value. The truth always has value. I simply worry about people abusing this kind of information. Most people don't understand statistics (or jusr don't care), and will just use this to dehumanize people.

[@Anon-nv7bp]

Mario Juana Are you suggesting research into IQ should be halted because you're scared that racists will use it? That's pretty ridiculuous I have to say considering IQ and intellence have been researched by scientists for a very long time and IQ is pretty useful in predicting how successful or criminal an individual is.

[@em0t3p]

Mario, can you please provide us with a list of what you, our Moral Arbiter, deem acceptable science research subjects to pursue?

[@andypandy6719]

emotep - Did I claim to be the moral arbiter? Did you even read my comment? All avenues of legitimate research are valid, and I don't question the validity of the findings. I just expressed concern that some people may exploit the results to futher their own nefarious agenda. For example I'm sure kkk members would love to abuse this information to justify their hatred of other races. That isn't the same as saying it has no value. All knowledge has value

[@joedawson7205]

I really enjoy listening to you. Your discourse is wonderful.

[@EmceeLorder]

Are you Carribean?

[@obsidianseventyone1483]

Jamaican

[@Tareki1000]

First of all, let me thank you for being so brave as to put your views on such a hot topic out there in a frank and open way. 1. (minute 1:20) Any imaginable group of people will have a different mean IQ. And a different mean 'anything' for that matter. Race is just one example. You can apply the logic to sex, age-group, political affiliation, subculture, religion etc. In no way does recognizing this mean difference tell you anything about any individual member of said group with regard to this particular characteristic. Any trait that varies across individuals ultimately has to be assessed on an individual level. Also, making a statement about the current state of any trait for any group of people doesn't imply that trait tp be unchangeable. Both culture / socialization AND genes can be changed. If anything, it's easier to change genes. To suggest that genetic differences imply hopelessness and stagnation is to completely misunderstand evolution and / or the possibilities of eugenics / genetical engineering. 2. (minute 3:20) I totally agree. Racists don't need or want accurate information about race differences in cognitive ability and such. The Nazis didn't give a shit about empirical reality wrt IQ or science and simply deemed all the facts that didn't fit their worldview as "degenerate" or "jewish". If you look at the American Neo-Nazi-Sphere today, they denounce human biodiversity (HBD) for recognizing the higher mean IQ of Ashkenazi Jews and East-Asians as compared to European Whites. They don't want to deal with these facts. Similarly, many people who implicitely or explicitely support HBD are very much opposed to White Supremacist / Nazi views and mostly care about societal welfare. They often care more about dysgenic incentives through welfare than high IQ migration from Africa. 3. (minute 5:00) The research has to follow sociological patterns, IMO. You cannot NOT talk about African Americans as a group (with regard to whatever), when there is clearly a huge behavioral difference in, for example, which Churches African Americans visit or what parts of the town they live in. Of course, you can also merely talk about genes. That's an elegant solution of getting around the traps of identity politics. So, say, you identify as black but only 25% of your genes are African while 50% are European and 25% are Asian? Well, your IQ or your verbal fluency or your athletic ability or your blood pressure will be put into the context of your genes and not your self identification (which is a crude measure to begin with in modern times). Nothing against that. 4. (minute 6:25) Right. This question won't be solved in the foreseeable future. IQ and sociology / culture are highly interdependent. If, say, the people of Burundi have the capacity of achieving a 10-15 point higher IQ on average than what they are measured at now, is that a result of the low IQ they are measured at with now or? Or is it a result of their bad position in the global world system? Or will they never be able to close the gap between them and the swedes or the koreans? Who knows? But people will disagree on that stuff forever. Maybe new genetical research will some day end the debate but i doubt it. What is without a doubt though is that Burundi scores low on IQ and is poor as fuck. That is nothing we should debate on. 5. (minute 14) i don't give a fuck who mates with whom as long as I don't have to pay for them and as long as their surplus populations doesn't threaten the integrity of Europe.

[@DouglasHPlumb]

I would rather hang out with people who I can trust and will laugh at my jokes rather than a bunch of egg heads.

[@41geraldf]

i shake my head at this.... i really do

[@neestovekin8251]

mighty productive of you 🤦

[@lorrilewis2178]

I hadn't heard about the video until now. I will watch it, but my own opinion is that culture explains a hell of a lot.

[@lorrilewis2178]

Oh well. Can't watch it since it's been taken down.

[@Degenerate76]

You make a very well reasoned argument. It's good to see this coming from someone who can't be accused of doing it to promote their own racial interests. I've already written a long explanation about this, so I'll repost it here: I mostly disagree with her, and her sources are worthless, but there was an element of truth in what Rage said. She did put an emphasis on averages, and the distinction between group average and individual potential is extremely important. It may be politically incorrect, but the inconvenient truth is that from the perspective of evolutionary biology, it would be very surprising if average IQ was the same across all races. This area of study is so mired in controversy that I think it's better not to endorse any particular study that tries to put figures on this, but basic evolutionary principles make it almost inevitable that such differences do exist on a genetic level. The different races of humanity are like minor subspecies - groups that have notable variations in phenotype, but remain part of the same species as we can still interbreed. Dog breeds are the same, and it's not controversial to acknowledge that intelligence varies between them. Admittedly, the differences in dog breeds have been hugely exaggerated by human controlled selective breeding, but the principle remains the same. Human races originated from populations becoming isolated from each other and evolving distinct traits due to the pressures of different environments. It's entirely logical to suppose that some environments placed a relatively greater survival premium on IQ, where in others physical strength was more important. For example, in most of Europe cold winter temperatures make it hard to survive long without adequate building skills, whereas in much of Sub-Saharan Africa, temperatures are compatible with human life year-round. On the other hand, in Europe you won't get eaten by Lions because you can't run fast enough. So if we dare to acknowledge that there probably are racial variations in average IQ, then what? Well, if we have any sense of fairness, we say "so what?". We are all members of the same species, and these differences have no bearing on how we should treat each other, because whatever the differences between populations are, they are clearly dwarfed by the differences between individuals of any population. All races produce both geniuses and morons. So if we are fair-minded, we should give all people an equal shot at life and judge them based on their individual achievements. It's actually another argument against identity politics - do you want a fair shot to achieve your personal potential, or do you want to be judged by the average capabilities of your group? If crazies like Tariq Nasheed succeed in provoking a White Identitarian backlash, and Western society regresses from egalitarianism to racial segregation, then Black people will lose the most from this idiocy. Their living standards and opportunities will be lower, because another inconvenient truth is that the vast majority of technological advances that have made modern life so much easier were developed by White and Asian people.

[@johnsinger9156]

When I.Q. tests become comprehensive enough to measure the genius and abstract thinking it takes to create the music of my personal black musician heroes such as, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, Oscar Peterson, Dizzy Gillespie, etc. etc. Those guys are so far off the charts that the average I.Q. ratios would be turned upside down. Current I.Q. tests seem so narrow in scope that I don't personally buy the results. They measure a certain type of intelligence and ignore other types of intelligence that are not even given a category. Science has been flawed and/or biased in the past. I question the limited method used for these results.

[@thegeniusfool]

+John Singer Yeah, if one doesn't consider Miles et al as bona fide cognitive genii, I don't know who is. But IQ tests do indeed seem to measure some traits, and those traits seem to be attractive enough for colleges and the military forces to continuing betting on them.

[@johnsinger9156]

David Bergman: No truer words have ever been spoken about Miles Davis. Since you used the plural 'genii' I'll double down on that with you too. It'd take a whole page to mention all the great jazz artists of color. Musical genius is color blind so it really doesn't matter. I just hate seeing individual genius painted over with the broad brush of averages with I.Q. tests that don't appear to be designed to measure abstract creative thought potential. Keep swinging' bro.

[@benjaminsmith2287]

I totally agree. Intelligence, IMO, has little to do with IQ. Or at least IQ is just one type of intelligence. As a kid I was able to see the patterns in Bach, Beethoven, Charlie Parker, Duke Ellington and Arnold Schoenberg's music yet it took me a long time to learn how to tie my shoes. Some people are extremely intelligent in one or two areas and almost complete idiots in other areas.

[@bimbowithadegree420]

This closely resembles my experience when realising the connection between race and IQ and my thoughts on the whole topic (Rages video) and the alt right.Extremely well put. On the matter of language, yes it was a vacuous point. Firstly what even is African language or European language? Africa isn't a monolith in fact it is the most ethnically diverse area in the world with each group speaking their tongue and likewise with Europe. Secondly, she also seems to ignore that fact that some European languages are very harsh sounding (namely Eastern European and Nordic languages) while those derived from Latin are more sophisticated. Likewise with African language. Some like Swalli, Filani etc are derived from Arabic and more sophisticated sounding than something like the language in Nigeria or the Zulu. Lastly, it seems like she's unaware that language comes from sounds that humans heard and immitated. A language in its foundation is developed through sounds of nature and then develops itself. With that in mind it becomes impossible to say one is superior to the other and instead we have to say that one sounds better or more sophisticated than the other.

[@mekpo90]

Mariangeles Sanhá Sophisticated sounding? All languages should be judged individually and any attempt to rank them is pointless.

[@mekpo90]

Also there are over 200 languages in Nigeria alone.

[@bimbowithadegree420]

Life Visios Yes that is true but my point is that some are harsh sounding and have certain features such as ticking, or emphasing certain sounds that make it sound less "delicate". I'm aware of that sorry for the generalisation but I was referring to specefic languages I dont know the name of, I just know they are Nigerian.

[@ToroksMagic]

>tfw u have a harsh sounding language

[@dugebuwembo]

What you have said here is incredibly ignorant and stupid. Please do research on African languages before you make silly comments. Swahili isn't more sophisticated than any other African language, Swahili is a Bantu language that has some Arabic loan words, it's derived or closely related to Arabic, like English isn't a romance language eventhough it has many Latin loan words. Swahili is a Bantu language and closely related to languages like Zulu and Xhosa. Bantu languages are also related to and descend from languages that originated in West Africa, thus Niger Congo languages.

[@benjaminschooley3108]

Marx spoke of "bourgeois science", specifically how we do science today. His point was that this science, empirical in nature, would often show support for what the ruling class would find amenable to them, and I often wonder if this topic in particular was something he anticipated. I recognize Marx is under a cloud, and most people haven't read any of his work and despise it and him anyway, and a lot of communist societies today are really not what I think he was envisioning exactly. But more specifically the question I think really boils down to why are the averages different between the "races". On the one hand you have people who want to try to sell the idea that it is genetic, and they are looking for the statistics that will support their view. Twin studies of course seem convincing but there is a bit of monkey wrench with them. I always ask people who cite twin studies to explain to me what they think the purpose of genes are if not to influence their environment (Dawkins explains this quite elegantly; how the phenotypic expression of our genes can extend into the nervous systems of other organisms), that is those twins despite being separated from one another may not differentially influence their environments and thus produce the ultimate foil to the nature nurture questions as we might hope it would. Anyone who wishes to investigate this could do so with simple google search "what's wrong with the validity of twin studies" and Jay Joseph's name should come up. The point that differences between the "races" should occur is not an important question to me, just like if you told me there was a difference in intelligence between people of heights or whether they were left or right handed - intelligence obviously makes no difference in terms of these variables, if you found a difference I would wager that it was environmental variables playing a role (left handed people living in a world made for right handed people and the aggravation going along with that).

[@garyk3478]

It's possible. It's not certain. There are things like stereotype threat, nutrition, and early education that may well factor in. The Flynn effect strongly suggests that IQ in a population is not just driven by genetics. If it's accurate, then I think the only effect should be that statistical evidence for racism would be less valid. This, fortunately or not, means that this is a valid area of research. Fewer black CEOs does not mean racism if black people are, on average, less likely to be CEO material. Individuals must be treated as individuals, according to our own actions, or own genius, and our own idiocy -- the kind you can find in humans of any hue. That's the thing I want most for America.

[@darksavior1187]

Bigotry may be the wrong term, that means intolerant of those with other opinions than oneself. I think you mean prejudice and discrimination. That said, I think some can try to use race realism findings to justify a generalization. But the problem is that the issue is so sensitive for many people that genuine, factual discussion is difficult on the topic. So many on the left view the idea of race realism as wrong on its face, and unworthy of any credence. Others on the far right use it to justify racist viewpoints they already held. So getting away from those extremes to discuss such a topic, let alone what value it should have in a societal sense is very challenging.

[@harryorherbert]

I think agree with this video, and I am subscribing to this channel. There is a problem with thinking out loud however because it may result in an incoherent argument... Jonathan Haidt and others argue that we are emotional creatures primarily and that this isn't wrong, he doesn't judge it, it's just necessary. Given this perhaps an attempt at structure would be useful? This channel is much more honest than a technical argument that pretends to lack emotion, however a happy medium would be propitious, if attempted, and I believe this woman could be the one to deliver that to the curious seeker on youtube. Thank you.

[@mo1tard743]

can you do a video about the National Museum of African American History and Culture in DC? I would love to hear what you think about it.

[@elise2005]

You’re me when I’m thinking clearly, cool video

[@vinsoriano493]

I'm half mexican and southern Italian and know both of these groups have certain negative tendencies that have to be genetic not just cultural. It's not nice to say but I've come to terms with the things I've noticed.

[@susanw5719]

Really good analysis. Thanks!!

[@TRUTHTEACHER2007]

First of all can we consider the fact that racial categories are socially constructed? Just consider the "Black Race". How are we determining who is or is not black? In the USA the people who are identified as black are a genetically heterogeneous group. They range from people who are majority European ancestry to people who are 100% African. Not to mention people who are tai-racial or have as much as 4 different genetic origins. So if we're looking to determine whether or not IQ is genetically determined, you would have to take this into consideration. Did the researchers of the experiments run a genetic profile on the test subjects? I don't think so. Therefore, the study is flawed. Not saying that it wasn't statistically meaningful, but that it was not practically meaningful. The things that they're attributing to race are intact more down to social factors. Can there be biological factors? I think so. alcoholism can be passed down through the genes, so can certain types of trauma, depression etc. So if a person grows up in a certain environments they may inherit certain traits. But can we make a general deterministic statement that al people in X situation will exhibit Y behavioral traits? No. Because we see there are many people who despite having low IQ and or low functioning parents turn around and become high achievers. So in the end, making these type of generalizations is a very dangerous thing. I think it's a legacy of the past in which people tried to find scientific proof of fundamental differences between groups in order to justify certain sociopolitical policies that were unfair and exploitative. It's time we move away from such things. For society to progress, we can't keep holding on to outdated ways of thinking. The quality of life on this planet is dependent on it. Had we abandoned such behavior, we wouldn't be facing the turmoil we're experiencing now with Isis and other such groups. These are the direct results of international economic and political policies that negatively affected those societies. What we're seeing now is the push back in the form of radical religious extremism and acts of violence.

[@thegeniusfool]

+TRUTHTEACHER2007 The only thing we can be really certain of is that Shaun King is as black as it gets ;-)

[@sunsetpaddy3335]

Coach said I have strong back & weak mind.

[@tiffkungpoify]

Race realism is not bigotry or racist at all, I don’t think everyone is bad or good smart or not I do however think it is insanely important to better understand humans and the races between us; it is meant to be racist I think it’s important to help build brides between us. IQs are because of environmental factors that were built through evolution. I know insanely smart every race and insanely slow in every race. But that’s because I tend to chose smart friends.

[@6doublefive3two1]

Honesty, Character, and Responsibility are much more important to a healthy society than Race, Intelligence, and Beauty.

[@xChucherkox]

I'm a white girl from eastern Europe, so I don't have many opportunities to speak with people of different ethnic groups. To be honest I find Rage's vid too aggressive and maybe she had a point but the mocking value kind of throws me off. Popular channels on youtube that discuss race issues are highly polarised, that's why I'm SOOO HAPPY that someone like you finally appeared. I admire your rhetoric skills, your way of delivering a point is easy to follow and a message is clear. I also applaud you for strongly expressing your views but at the same time remaining calm and composed. Keep up the good work and STAY AWESOOOME! by the way, you're so pretty I can't handle it xxo

[@useyourbrain1515]

+Alchemica Blackwood Same can be asked for white americans. I think most would choose no white americans.

[@xChucherkox]

how is this question relevant to my comment?

[@xChucherkox]

I think you're exaggerating a little bit. I've never stated in my comment that I'm pro black communities. I only complimented Just Thinking Out Loud for being calm and composed - what's wrong with that? I actually haven't expressed my opinion on the subject rather I compared JTOL to RageAfterStorm. Also, argumentum ad personam is a low blow. If you want to have a constructive dialectic, I'd recommend picking up some books about rhetoric. You just proved my point that it's hard to find someone who's not polarised on this subject.

[@Woodzta]

This really is common alt-right recruitment rhetoric. They keep focused on the extremes and will often argue points you've never made. I'd say that it is rather unlikely that all 45 million blacks came knocking on his door to threaten him. Of course, he will generally follow with 'facts' or statistics to claim that there is a problem that was never argued, or that I am uneducated for challenging his views. This is generally how they operate on KZbin comments. Better get used to it. It's going to get more frequent, I'm sure. I would add, I actually like Rage's approach. I didn't feel that it was patronizing, mostly because of the liberal culture I have been against recently, but I can definitely see how others see it that way. The response she received was rather immature overall. If you do respond to something so eloquently put, please be elegant and at least somewhat correct about it, just like it was in this video.

[@Woodzta]

Well, that's an interesting little game, but no. The UK actually. Oh, and we can add a little spice to it? I'm from where Tommy Robinson is from. Have you heard of this clusterfuck of failed 'multiculturalism'? Let me make it easier for you. I fail to answer. I failed your game. Run ahead with your assumptions and continue to play God as you and the others like to do.

[@wotmot223]

People need to understand that I.Q. tests have problems. One has to understand the language first of all ( and poor education can effect the results). It also assumes that high I.Q. in and of itself isn't that important. It depends on if your motivated, if your ambitious, if your disciplined, and what you are doing in one's life. Unless your talking high level science it really isn't that important. I would rather work with someone with a less than average I.Q. who is motivated, disciplined, and capable of social interaction, than a high I.Q. , lazy, socially clueless person.

[@julius43461]

Great and reasonable response, subbed. But here is what I don't understand about "fluid IQ" idea. If IQ was easily changed by nutrition and environment, wouldn't we then see even more drastic differences of IQ around the world? I imagine we would have situations where countries in Europe bordering each other would have big IQ differences, if their prosperity was different for few generations. But this is not the case, and even Eastern Europe that is poor when compared to the west has similar scores. If you look at Russia, no matter how impoverished they were, they were always able to keep the pace with more prosperous nations when it comes to tech and education. Which proves that their problem is either cultural or environmental. IMO it is cultural for Slavs in Europe, and it is both of those for Russians(too big).

[@michaelknight2897]

Its so difficult, uncomfortable, and frankly RISKY to talk about this. However, it explains a lot. We expect the same percentage of the African American population is able to be a doctor as other populations. Perhaps that expectation is not realistic. If it is, than it will only generate rage and victimhood as our perceived goals of equality will never be met.

[@nilsblondon9124]

I love your channel. You're a smart, brave, strong woman, and I appreciate that.

[@josephdenor8305]

Hello fellow philologist. I am have a short stature, and have seen studies linking short height with lower intelligence, lower income, depression, and suicide. I was initially saddened as a young man when I gradually came across these 4 findings suggested by statistics. However, I am glad I know this information which is likely true. However, I am fairly high intelligent and high income (not elite, but in top 5% for both). Facing this data and incorporating its truth will help your life rather than hurt you. Instead of blaming white people, you will take personal responsibility, and I suspect you will be a high achiever too. I would hate to be a white supremacist or racial purist arguing against someone as smart as you.

[@organicdinosaur5259]

I didnt find her video too aggressive. What she was saying is real. But she did forget to mention the most important message, genetic differences are not deciding factors.

[@thewhiterise5094]

Of course they are haha

[@dutchray8880]

I'm old enough to remember peoples' outrage to Arthur Jensen, a psychologist, and William Shockley, a physicist, back in the 60s and 70s. The thing is, if there is evidence of differences in intelligence scores across different groups, maybe something can be done to improve the situation. Denying the data out of political correctness only perpetuates the problem...or further objective research may disprove the notion of score differences. We've spent the last 4 or 5 decades not wanting to offend people, possibly to some peoples' detriment.

[@lestermuster887]

No one cares about their data, it's the creeps that are trying to use it as some sort of "justification" for acting like racist dicks towards people based on a test they didnt take, and one the person acting like a racist dick WONT.

[@Very_Angry_Citizen]

Jesus jumping tap dancing Christ! You're Amazing.

[@AndrewTheFrank]

It would be nice to be able to judge everyone as an individual but the problem is when people are not in their comfort zone they like to gravitate towards people that are similar to themselves. This means they tend to gravitate towards those that look similar to them or have a similar culture (these often heavily overlap). When these groups start to in-group out-group others it starts to cause societal stability problems. When these groups start gaining more and more social and government power all other groups are forced to play by the same game or else face extinction/removal. Thus a heterogeneous society will always be less stable than a homogeneous one. This is likely a problem that will not be easily fixable if not at all. Infants have been shown to have a preference to dolls that share the same skin color of their biological race. So to some degree this is completely biological and if anybody has found a way to override it then its the Europeans. But where has it gotten Europe? They are inviting in very tribal migrants who are celebrating that they will be able to breed Europeans into the minority within 50 years. Essentially real world data is showing that those that are not tribal to some degree will be weeded out of existence by those who are.

[@vinceA3748]

Thank you for that logical, intelligent, and sincere video about a very controversial subject. I wish you were friends with my daughter. You would be a terrific role model for her. I am now a subscriber.

[@pauld9561]

I'll rely on the math. It's just easier that way.

[@dac4710]

The only thing you need to know about IQ tests is that they don't measure creativity and imagination then work out if that is intelligent or not?

[@erickim5993]

At least you're honest. But frequency means a meaningful indication of an individual's future behavior The alt right just wants separation. Not hanging blacks. Same as farmers not wanting urban snobs in their places.

[@DouglasHPlumb]

Talking about race and IQ with the wrong kind of people is like talking about sex with a child.

[@crab_aesthetics]

Assumptions about the individual must be couched into assumptions about the group. It's impossibe to dis-aggregate the two. The reason for this is regression to the mean. Even if we only select for the best qualities for any group, their chldren and grandchildren will regress to their mean. There is no way to test for IQ or usefulness of any group's children. It is possible to understand a group and their likely children's understanding of their host group. Ideology with respect to racial identity is more important than abstract values. Hence, judging on race, heritage, et cetera.

[@JustThinkingOutLoud]

So the smart individual doesn't matter, basically, in your post, and assumptions regarding them are justified? Sorry, this is where I think it crosses the line, as the individual is not important but seen based on expectations of their group. And they should be reacted to based on research rather than them. No, ideology with respect to racial identity is not more important than abstract values.That is your opinion.

[@crab_aesthetics]

Dude, this isn't hard to conceptualize. If you replace Japan with equally smart (IQ equivalent) Nigerians, is Japan going to be Japanese in any meaningful way in 60 years? Or will it be like a new Haiti? Regression to the mean basically destroys arguments for judging individuals as individuals because the time horizon isn't concerned with individuals, it's concerned with their children and grand children. You can find more about this topic when you research the outcomes of second and third generation immigrants in the United States. Conclusion? Not so good!

[@LionelRWilson]

I love her accent