React Native Just Made A Long Overdue Change

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React Native just made a big change. They're recommending "using a framework", specifically they recommend Expo. I do too.
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[@angelcaru]

"We put a framework in your framework so you can use more framework per framework"

[@josephmgift]

😂😂

[@jrhager84]

As a bare user for years, this is a tough pill to swallow. lol

[@jayshah5695]

Vanilla RN is pretty good imo.

[@hermann95]

I just recently was tasked with updating a 5-year-old React Native app. Porting in over to Expo worked wonders, and makes it way easier to update in the future as well. As long as Expo can do what you want to do, it's the best choice, IMO.

[@sanglin9387]

it from 0.59 below and big , dont it trap and it will very very long . if 0.60 above maybe much better

[@ExpoDevelopers]

Glad you had a good experience. Any advice you have for other devs who want to move existing RN apps over to Expo?

[@avarise5607]

Man, coming from C kernel dev world, webdev feels so cluttered! So many things to follow, frameworks etc, meanwhile my tools are almost the same like 20 years ago...

[@ra-dro]

Just wonder, is there a reason you decide to come from C kernel? (genuinely interested).

[@privateagent]

​@@ra-dro yeah me too, I'm coming from vanilla java 8 on the backend to Angular and I'd love to hear your thoughts

[@lightleviathan1]

xcode is so bad at this point i use swift playgrounds for development and xcode when i need to make it into a final app

[@rogergalindo7318]

lmao

[@it_is_random]

it's perfect shit. now I feel like fuck u mac users nothing for u

[@sanglin9387]

if storyboard yes but swift ui is okay or programmatic ui kit

[@jounouchi123]

Expo also generates web apps. Hope they dont give up on it, would like to keep using it for mobile and web projects.

[@tommycallsuback]

does RSC renders on server side or just sends you the shape data in that new format rather than json? Because how could u render mobile components in server? so then RSC is still client side rendering with serverside defined shape, right?

[@t3dotgg]

Yes, but remember that HTML is also "client rendered". All these protocols do is tell the client what to put where :)

[@oliverloops.]

Expo is great and EAS is even better. But, it’s important not to be afraid of native mobile development

[@truthalwaysprevails662]

Don't know about others, but I am not really afraid of native app development but the convenience that React Native provides for developers who already know React is second to none. And frankly in my opinion Flutter is overhyped.

[@wisdomelue]

not that most people are afraid, just not ready to learn 2 languages and tools to build and deploy an app as an indie developer

[@KhairulHidayat]

Blame gradle & xcode for that

[@GerardLementec]

@@truthalwaysprevails662 how is flutter overhyped its amazing

[@owenwexler7214]

6:12 imagine taking a day to build your app then realizing you forgot to center a div somewhere

[@tootyrnt5533]

Expo has come a long way, congrats to the team!

[@RogerKerse]

I always find myself needing functionality that is not available in Expo so not convinced yet.

[@usmansbk]

but you can use anything on expo now

[@bloodandbonezzz]

Exactly

[@alexkey9372]

same

[@jak3f]

I haven’t run into anything that doesn’t work with a expo prebuild

[@ExpoDevelopers]

See you in Portland Theo!

[@rohankulkarni9281]

Thank you. this was really insightful

[@Hadi-gd7ul]

Expo's EAS is enough reason for me

[@ra-dro]

But it costs money! :D

[@bloodandbonezzz]

Services cost money

[@derciojds]

@@ra-dro If your app makes money this is not an excuse

[@AvanaVana]

So glad I went with expo for my mobile startup projects. It’s been a delight.

[@omofolarinajibade]

These contents are getting more objective, enlightening and educational 👌🏾

[@bloodandbonezzz]

0:47 started using react native back in 2016 December and never used all those things you mentioned. React native cli always came with everything I just start developing.

[@OxyToan]

All the first comments are all some weird bots 💀

[@rariber]

Indeed

[@user-gi7vi9gm4t]

plot twist they where made using react native

[@DMZT_dhruv]

😂😂😂

[@bezimeni2000]

Check dead internet theory xD

[@danielratiu4318]

Comparing Vercel to FTP is not fair. There is also ssh rsync and git which can make life easy and deployment fast.

[@NanneWielinga]

FTP deployments always felt like one click.. especially compared to flaky ci/cd pipelines 💀

[@_Khrix]

A had some criticism about using expo on my last job. Got a lot of packages combatibility issues, that sucks. Now I'm setted on a vanila RN project and God, i do missing expo. The prebuild part was so good

[@stephenjames2951]

been there with the original tools and I concur.

[@tasmto]

Trying to move a brownfield app to eas is hard😔

[@buddy.abc123]

Is he reading yet another article or coding an expo app? I can't with another reading episode

[@komakaze1]

I wonder what Theo thinks of MojoCSS vs Tailwind?

[@davorinrusevljan6440]

second that on upgrading react native version

[@Skylunafire]

React did it with Nextjs and now React native con expo 😢

[@elvispalace]

fortunately

[@ijazkhan3335]

Apples to oranges. Expo is there to aid developers to build stuff quickly. Can't say the same for nextjs

[@cesarmartinez2207]

@@ijazkhan3335 nextjs is suppose to do that but react server component just missed so badly

[@jihoobyeon]

Great! Someday Expo will support 7:18 React Native for Windows and macOS. I'm still waiting eternally though...

[@wealthassistant]

Now we can finally write code once and it will render the same in iOS, android and browsers. Until next year, when no person uses browsers and apps anymore but everything is funneled through an OS-level AI assistant.

[@neon7874]

Expo's help alot really...

[@donka86]

Missing the days where you just put a script tag in your html and that was it

[@forno_nicolas]

Svelte

[@dbarros]

Steve Jobs was not fired from Apple.

[@jimbob1189]

yes, In 1985

[@HamidAli-dc9iq]

but what about the limitations on expo?

[@dankelly6535]

When was the last time you used it?

[@dixztube]

I saw a tarantula few weeks ago on my walk path. I’m still scared but amazed by its beauty. I don’t wanna see them again , but I long to see them again. Why is that? Oh yea expo and ignite is good

[@nevaknowmanamesame5089]

I dont get it. I was building react native apps since 0.14x version. Yeah, there were a lot of rough edges, but starting the project was not hard. And then over time it got more polished. Didn't ever get the need to use Expo, and now even more.

[@nevaknowmanamesame5089]

What it adds on top of a regular react native project?

[@nevaknowmanamesame5089]

Version upgrades I do agree. Especially copying the source code is so true, I've done it many times.

[@abdulragib6004]

i always go with rn cli , why should i use framwork of framework, i use expo , i think it is not good for production

[@fexxix]

tomorrow is stream day and you're almost close to hitting 300k? I like where this is going.

[@t3dotgg]

👀

[@lennyedwards62]

Almost the phpification…. Theo, the react/JS realm has been headed directly at becoming the new php for quite some time.

[@kylebelle246]

I'm not trying to be rude or anything but why the hell does something like instagram take 24 hrs to build? Like i get there is probably a lot of stuff I don't consider but Instagram is honestly a pretty simple app

[@dealloc]

I love Expo, especially with CNG and plugins-it makes managing React Native versions a breeze, which with a bare project is a menace. Although, it's still a bit limiting (only experimental plugin for multi-targets and only for iOS and lack of docs around Expo Native Modules except for one very simplified guide). But one thing that is still relatively time consuming and difficult is setting up your own deployment pipeline without EAS, but still support Prebuild + CNG. It requires you to setup Fastlane, Bundler, etc. yourself as you would with React Native; but there's very little, if any, documentation to do this from scratch. We have done it successfully, but it required previous knowledge and know-how to setup different "lanes" for TestFlight, Beta, production, running it on our own CI, etc. but it required a ton of "hacks", which, in my opinion, should have just been exposed as Expo plugins and without the need for an EAS account. And that is without the support for EAS Updates, which is an entirely different beast to deal with. That, and the Android story is missing a ton of information as well as it's mostly focused on iOS. That said, kudos to Evan Bacon and team for their amazing work on making Expo better every day.

[@jak3f]

Same but we used chat gpt and it took a matter of weeks instead of months

[@sheriffOladimeji-xn2so]

Cool

[@mishen-thakshana]

isn't it painful to prebuild the project everytime.

[@user-ho4yz2fl3i]

EAS is same as testflight

[@wisdomelue]

what?

[@josephmgift]

I can now build iOS apps on windows 😅😅, perfect

[@yaroslavpanych2067]

Okay, I have listened intently. And here is my conclusions: 1. No new desire to start using EXPO or any other shit suddenly appeared in my head. Moreover, it made to want more to drop using EXPO in all my projects. 2. What fucking do you mean by "server driven UI" is fucking hard so Google have to invent new stuff to do that? Excuse me, a bunch of native controls is a bunch of native controls, and you always could create any control at any moment you wanted to display data you have. Just do it! You do not need yet another fucked markup language to be able to do that.

[@bradweir3085]

Damn I'm so fucking high.

[@HorizonHuntxr]

47 seconds ago is crazy workl

[@williamliu796]

So are server components actually ready for general use in react native?

[@yashmurjani3325]

wth this video was about

[@SeyedaMansour]

7:21 Oh so that's why start menu in win 11 is so trash :), I mean it looks good, but just that. is very buggy and slow and sometimes just stops working ...

[@user-gi7vi9gm4t]

here before the bots leave (not a high bar tbh)

[@alexkey9372]

Disagree, By forcing us to use expo is the real pain. We are way less flexible, less in control and we are dependant on a company that can lock and monetize its platform any day. I will stick to cli no matter what. I'd rather configure more things than risk being locked.

[@summonthecat]

I don't know, the more I see react it seems to be trying to take in more of the ui landscape. It's sort of their attempt to monopolize control over UI where they are loosing social media monopoly with Facebook. My work just rewrote our native apps with react native and we need twice the engineers to handle all the extra maintenance and our UI got slower then when we were handling things with internal packages and htmx. We are reverting over the next 2 months.

[@mohitashliya8750]

This guy reads docs on KZbin 😂

[@statuschannel8572]

at least he reads docs though!

[@witchmorrow]

but that's a selling point? He provides his experienced commentary on docs, docs which I might not realize exist btw, and plus he does a million other kinds of videos too

[@mohitashliya8750]

Him reading docs is a good sign of encouraging people to try new things

[@apidas]

bro comments on youtube

[@mohitashliya8750]

@@apidas 😂

[@pedroalonsoms]

yeah, still with managed expo it takes anywhere from 2-6s to just do cold startups within the app (i.e. ~100MB bundle size its the minimum when building the bare bones “hello world app”,at least on Android), too slow for any use at big tech, that’s why airbnb ditched it

[@nevaknowmanamesame5089]

Do you mean running the release build on a device take 2-6 seconds from pressing the icon to app being functional?

[@Toodaloo]

This shouldn't be the case if you're on Hermes

[@ulrich-tonmoy]

Well Any application that can be written in JavaScript, will eventually be written in JavaScript. JS the overlord

[@incarnateTheGreat]

I am one of those people who built RN projects from scratch way back when; it was HELL. Thank goodness we have come far enough that it takes mere minutes to spool up a RN project. 🙌

[@jouebien]

Saying Expo resolves the RN upgrade? Lolz it's still super miserable. Like 6 months goes past and it won't even build because it's too far behind. Meanwhile I bet if I dug up an old ass ionic project it would probably still install & start.

[@Michael-Martell]

Expo’s cool but Swift’s much better.

[@infantfrontender6131]

Yep. But Swift doesn't have cross-platform frameworks. Also, Swift Devs are as expensive, as Kotlin Devs. In real-world business prefer cheap cross-platform technologies like React Native (with or without Expo) or Flutter. Kotlin Multiplatform is a good choice too, but it is more expensive.

[@Vogon42]

I consider React Native and JS as one the epic failed developments in the IT industry. Why use html and JS code in the core GUI elements of an OS.

[@dixztube]

Cause stuff has to get done with the teams you have. It’s all a free market. Use what works for you or your team

[@xxxxxx-wq2rd]

wonder if they plan to sell the windows ui to linux users later on.

[@typicaltype2608]

Hot Take: Xcode isnt that bad...

[@peladno]

you live in denial

[@typicaltype2608]

@@peladno I very well could. I’ve been using Xcode for 5 years now and I don’t mind it! There better ides don’t get me wrong but Xcode works fine for me.

[@j-0980]

Flutter better...

[@lisongyun]

Flutter is dead.

[@undefinedchannel9916]

Not even close

[@MinhazurSarker]

How? Flutter is better in rendering than raw react native. Expo just rekts flutter. RN is better in memory management

[@j.r.r.tolkien8724]

*Don't use React.*