Reacting to a TERRIBLE Titanic Article

[@Wubrh]

them calling the coal fire "as hot as the ninth circle of hell" is very funny, considering in the book the ninth circle of hell is indeed... an ice lake.

[@Thewarrior261]

I was coming here to say the exact same thing

[@tjenadonn6158]

You can always tell the people who've never read Dante.

[@jcohasset23]

@@tjenadonn6158 Anyone that doesn't think hell can be cold has never been in below 0F weather with snow and ice as far as the eye can see. "Winter" is fascinating that it can be both beautiful and bleak at the same time with how it transforms the land.

[@tjenadonn6158]

@@jcohasset23 There's an excellent silent documentary from 1924 called "The Great White Silence" compiled by Herbert Ponting, who was the photographer and cinematographer on Robert Falcon Scott's ill fated Terra Nova Antarctic expedition. Especially in the restoration done by the British Film Institute the shot where the expedition encounters their first iceberg, a mammoth hulk approximately the size of Manhattan Island, is awe inspiring and terrifying. You can feel the bottom dropping out of everyone's stomach as they realize what they've truly signed up for, what they're going to undertake, what sort of world they're crossing into.

[@Historymaker-2001]

The irony is hilarious. Fred Barrett: when the ship hit the berg, the fire was as hot as the ninth circle of hell. Mersey: It was very hot? Barrett: no, sir, it was ice cold.

[@icaanul]

My favorite part of the titanic story was when Murdoch, realizing it was hopeless, grabbed his surfboard and pistol and jumped from the supercruiseliner shouting, "COWABUNGA DUDE!" He was never seen again. This story was later turned into the 1991 movie 'Point Break.' RIP Bodhi Murdoch. "Nobody rides for free" - Ismay

[@--enyo--]

Somehow this took me by surprise and it hurts from laughing now.

[@blakegriplingph]

Murdoch was later seen with Tony Hawk arranging a deal for him to appear on Tony's next game.

[@andrewmeadows2596]

I'd heard this story before but now you confirmed it

[@bunnymad5049]

ahahahahahahahahaha. That's so good it HAS to be true. hahahahahahah

[@Belenus3080]

Lol thanks for this

[@Alexis_spencer481]

My absolute favorite conversation I ever had with someone regarding Titanic, was with a person I met at a party. We were discussing interests and I told him how much I enjoyed researching Titanic and her sisters. He then proceeded to tell me "Oh I love Titanic, I bet I know more than you do!" To me it was very possible that I had met a fellow enthusiast and was excited at the possibility have a friend to "nerd out" with. He goes "POP QUIZ! What were the names of Titanic's Sister ships?" I responded "Olympic and Britannic, of course" He then went "AH HA! WRONG!" You could only imagine my reaction....it was something like "Well this should be fun....do tell!" He said, "The Olympic and the LUSITANIA". I laughed and was very polite when I said "Well the Lusitania was a Cunard Line ship not White Star Line ship. But I could see where one might get confused at a glance with the 4 funnels and all" He proceeded to get VERY angry and then tried to argue with me for the remaining 2 hours that I was at said party. I am now confident that very gentleman was the author of this article! 🤣 Great Video Mike as always!!

[@michaelcbrady]

😂 My absolute nightmare, I applaud your self-control!

[@edienandy]

Oh my god people who insist so confidently they are right when they’re so so wrong are insufferable.

[@Alexis_spencer481]

@@edienandy It can be quite frustrating! I have a gentleman who I work with who was in the US Navy. Every time I bring up anything about an ocean liner, I am usually met with “Well you know why that is, right!?” Sometimes I enjoy the outside perspective and knowledge but sometimes it’s insufferable to have to argue with someone who spent more years actually on the seas. Any debate usually ends with “well take it from someone who has actually been at sea missy”. The annoying part is I cannot counter act that statement, “I have been on 2 Caribbean cruises” don’t have quite the authoritative punch one might hope for! Never mind that I have been obsessed for going on 27 years! (I was 8 when I fell in love!) haha

[@Alexis_spencer481]

@@michaelcbrady Thank you! It was not easy! My phone had died earlier that evening so I couldn’t even put the debate to rest with a simple Google search! No! He brought up pictures on his phone of the Lusitania and was like “see they look exactly alike!” Then here I am at a party with people who are absolutely not interested in this horrendous debate, having to hold composure while stating “I can name at least 12 design differences right here in this grainy black and white photo!” Anyways it was very frustrating. But I made it though!

[@abcdeshole]

In those situations, especially a social party, it’s often best just to let people be wrong, and say something like “Oh, I see!” and not correct them. The older you get, the easier this becomes. If I were at a party and someone told me that the Titanic and Lusitania had been sisters, I would just give this person what he wanted and act impressed at his knowledge. It’s so trivial.

[@Riku-zv5dk]

You know what is really sad about Ismay? Titanic 1997 is still probably the kindest depiction of him, because they at least show him helping people in the boats and only getting in himself when there was no one else around to get in. If they had just depicted Murdoch telling Ismay to get on. The poor guy, he's called a coward for not dying, but what would his death have accomplished? Other than leading to one more corpse claimed by the sea.

[@bionicgeekgrrl]

Always going to be a scapegoat in history with every disaster. The first choice is typically the captain, but as ismay survived he makes for a easier target. The other person linked by some conspiracy theories is jp Morgan who was an investor in white star line and was supposed to travel, but apparently didn't at the last minute. You can imagine how theorists spin that.

[@gremio3293]

@@bionicgeekgrrl also I believe ismay had some enemies in the press, which saw the opportunity to smear his name and reputation and took it

[@Yetaxa]

it's so strange that even though James Cameron knew that a lot of the claims about him are unfair, he also knew it was such a famous and essential part of the story that he couldn't leave it out

[@wilhufftarkin8543]

​​@@Yetaxaust like with the closed gates to keep the steerage passengers within the ship. Cameron knows more about Titanic than most people, yet he still kept these myths alive. If he was just some random Hollywood director, I would understand, but not a Titanic expert like him.

[@goawayleavemealone2880]

​@wilhufftarkin8543 - I kind of understand it, because even without his enemies in the press it would not have been hard to paint Ismay's actions in a negative light. Ismay's true legacy is probably being instrumental in the changes to both the British and American Board of Trade Regulations. But it is unfortunately overshadowed to such an extent that even people who know better don't always show that they know better. The gates being depicted in the way they were is most likely a result of Cameron's political leanings.

[@DerpyPossum]

This article was written by ChatGPT and you can't convince me otherwise.

[@brick6347]

Ha. Yes, I just commented the same. I played around with it once, it told me that many people survived the sinking by making lifeboats from bathtubs! (Probably saw an article about saving Captain Smith's bathtub, and put save+bathtub together)

[@jcohasset23]

One would hope that would be the case. Sadly, there are still people that will be convinced this article is accurate due to all the conspiracy theories out there.

[@SawedOffLaser]

It has that feeling yea. It mostly feels like it's regurgitating random information and not really providing any insight. It also doesn't seem to list any sources. Probably AI written.

[@tjenadonn6158]

I saw someone saying something to the effect of "Calling ChatGPT AI has the same feeling of calling those two-wheeled electric scooter things hoverboards" and I've never felt more seen. ChatGPT isn't artificial intelligence, it's just autocomplete on steroids.

[@emryspaperart]

this was my thought as soon as he said there was no attributed author. search results have been muddied by godawful ML generated articles like this for a while now and it's exhausting

[@mikerichards6065]

How on earth has the fallacy that the Titanic was built from poor-quality steel lasted so long? She had a sister ship built right alongside her that served until the mid-1930; Olympic had several collisions and worked the same stormy, cold waters as Titanic - and her hull lasted perfectly.

[@EvelynAnderson-ym5rt]

The Olympic did have some extensive improvements made after research was done on what problems the design had. She became "Old Reliable".

[@Fetidaf]

@@EvelynAnderson-ym5rtdid they completely rebuild it though?

[@EvelynAnderson-ym5rt]

@@Fetidaf No, but extensive work, some sort of double hull and more.

[@Here_is_Waldo]

Still, though. Olympic had it's original hull when it drove over the top of a U-boat and sunk it, and rammed another ship, didn't it? It actually got hit with a torpedo that didn't explode, and no one even knew it had happened until the ship was in dock and they were checking the hull and found the impact point.

[@zephyr8072]

@@Here_is_Waldo It would've had its improvements during the war, but it did have its original hull when it survived a collision with HMS Hawke, and that ship had a ram on its bow specifically designed to sink ships. Regardless Olympic's double hull would've been made out of the same steel, which was as on Titanic the best they could make at the time.

[@TopHatTITAN]

I just want Mike and Sam of Historic Travels to just start ripping into bad and misinforming ship media, this is just glorious

[@CoffeeHobby]

Mike and Sam vs Brightside? Livestream? I want it.

[@davidthompson5766]

You get em Mike

[@davidthompson5766]

Hey Sam Mike's having a conniption

[@goosehubtheshipnerd]

@@CoffeeHobby if we have that then bright side will be at there feet

[@loganwirth4146]

Yes this must happen it would be awesome and hilarious and educational

[@SwagCat852]

"its plausible that the national coal strike of 1912 affected the price of coal" probably the most accurate sentence in that article

[@JonathanMoosey]

Probably not since the coal strike was ended a week before the Titanic set sail on her maiden voyage. That simply would not be enough time for the price of coal would be affected by the strike. And the strike was only 5 weeks long so White Star Line more than likely had coal stockpiled if there was rumors of a potential strike.

[@jennymccollom8198]

This article infuriates my inner Titanic history buff, but it also infuriates my inner literary nerd. There is no fire in the 9th circle of Dante's Hell! It's all ice! It's a frozen lake!

[@rc-fannl7364]

I have a new theory, Ismay ordered the ship right into the iceberg because rumor has it that it contained ice from the 9th circle of Dante's Hell, and that would put out the 5000 degrees hotter than the sun inferno that was still ablaze in the coal bunkers. And he even ordered the life boats to be burned in the furnaces to save on coal costs. Source: "Trust me bro..." ;-)

[@neoqwerty]

@@rc-fannl7364 Go write a monster romance with that as a plot point, you'd rake in solid dough if you make the main plotline be the demon caught in the ice saves Rose and Jack and they have a threesome in Atlantis

[@rc-fannl7364]

@@neoqwerty The Atlantis scene, is that before or after the main characters discover they are wizards? ;-)

[@robertdefoe2396]

The biggest irony about the coal fire is that it caused the ship to sink slower since moving the coal trimmed the ship to port.

[@crazyboris1625]

If I had a nickel for every time someone blamed Ismay for something he didn't do, I would have enough nickels to build a full-scale replica of the Titanic entirely out of nickels.

[@gregorykayne6054]

Suffice to say after guiding many women and children to lifeboats, he had a miserable life for 25 years, then a stroke which killed him. His name was blackened by William Randolph Hearst's syndicated newspapers. Hearst felt Ismay had snubbed him once. Mr. H. would feel far more put upon when it seemed Orson Welles took a cinematic whack at him in 1941. See "Citizen Kane". Maybe Mr. Ismay, who helped on the design of many fine ships including "Olympic" which sailed for over 24 years, does not deserve an eternal flogging?

[@jamesbrown4092]

Beats building it out of bananas. 🤣

[@bionicgeekgrrl]

The other one they typically blame is jp Morgan.

[@lemagicbaguette1917]

You’d also have enough left over to just commission a new one.

[@Yetaxa]

@@bionicgeekgrrl Tbh he's rarely mentioned, and even when he is, it's purely for fringe conspiracy theory stuff

[@thermalreboot]

I love how he talks about all the budget cuts, but then claims Ismay spared no expense on the luxury of the ship.

[@nathantudor5763]

Logic right!

[@michaelbaughman8524]

Yeah he (or they, or it) was all over the map.

[@kittybitts567]

yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I think this article was a book report done by a kid in grade school who didn't bother doing any research on the subject and fudged their way through the report with made up garbage.

[@gregorykayne6054]

The person who wrote that piece is a pioneer in the field of Artificial Ignorance.

[@liamrab6]

this really does read like it was written by a terrible ai, some of the sentences are structured so strangely

[@neoqwerty]

Artificial Imbecility

[@bodan1196]

I will blatently "steel" that expression. Sorry. 🙂

[@Quirderph]

@@liamrab6 Plot twist! All those AI essays are just perfect replications of this writer's style.

[@livethefuture2492]

More like "Artificial stupidity", that article is worse written than the AI generated assignment i submitt...oh wait.

[@adamduncan6172]

I heard that it wasn't even an iceberg strike that caused the Titanic to sink. Apparently the Titanic had accidentally sailed into captain Birdseye's private fishing area and he was so annoyed about it that he threw hundreds frozen fish fingers at the Titanic, each fish finger tore straight through the hull perforating its entire length. Also, before it sank, the Titanic levitated half a mile above the sea before accelerating to 10 times it's terminal velocity and smashing back into the sea, which is what caused it to break in half and sink. What people don't know is that the Titanic had a revolutionary new feature, springs on its keel. These springs caused the two pieces of the ship to bounce off of the seabed and back to the surface over 1000 times before finally settling on the seabed for good. The bouncing actually gave everyone on board time to get off each time the Titanic resurfaced and there were actually no fatalities that night. Some people bounced so hard on the first few bounces that they were actually launched to Australia where they lived out the rest of their lives in peace. The more you know...

[@SpiceFox]

This comment should be pinned at the top

[@PersephoneDaSilva]

One of them is Mike's ancestor. XD

[@superflybrothermj]

"I don't know Cal, she doesn't look any bigger than Mauretania" "Rose! Titanic is a SUPER CruiseLiner! Mauretania is only a Cruise Liner!"

[@zephyr8072]

Rose: “Mr. Andrews, why is the ship sinking so fast? I thought islt was a super cruise liner?” Thomas Andrews: “It’s Ismay’s fault! He wouldn’t let us use the special steel!”

[@Straswa]

@@zephyr8072 lolz

[@sebwilkins]

​@@zephyr8072"I assure you she can sink, she's made of Banana!"

[@cardiffgiant9406]

superflybrothermj you can be blase about some things. But NOT about the supercruiseliner Titanic!

[@SnobbyBird_]

“Oh no! We forgot about the fire as hot as the ninth circle of hell! Bummer”

[@olivialambert4124]

I enjoyed this story. The liner with no coal had a coal fire. Then the owner who was running out of money sent his most expensive asset out away from help whilst it was burning down. But somehow after somewhere between 7 days and multiple weeks it continued to burn with no smoke and zero indication to passengers or presumably crew who might go to the coal bunkers looking for coal. They didn't even notice whilst the steel was burning down around them, apparently, with a fire a few hundred degrees below the steel's melting point. The softer steel and excessive heat both didn't soften the metal to make it less shatter prone as we are used to today, but somehow made it more brittle. Also apparently spending days at high speed uses less coal than slowing down. Then Ismay risked everyone's lives on a ruined ship like a coward before joining them on the trip to America. As the article says, it's very important we apply these hard facts and learn from them. Thankfully we have this very brave article to bring these facts to light, otherwise we would be applying incorrect and dangerous lessons based upon completely false (possibly intentionally fabricated) information.

[@alexanderdavies1891]

This whole article is ridiculous and insanely poorly written, but honestly what bugs me the most is that part about the supposed coal fire being "hotter than the ninth circle of Dante's Inferno." The ninth circle was literally frozen! Completely FROZEN! Treacherous sinners were frozen in horrible positions by Satan's icy tears and gale force winds from his wings. Like most of the rest of the article is bunk, but a lot of it, one would have to know quite a lot about titanic to disprove, but the Inferno thing is pretty core to western literature and culture since the 1320.

[@StreamlineDeet]

Well, they're technically not wrong. Any coal fire would be hotter than the ninth circle of Dante's inferno. Along with any fire period, and just about everywhere on earth.

[@rcrawford42]

A journalist wanted to tell people how terrifying AR platform weapons are, and wrote that one "has a kick like a bazooka". Bazookas were recoilless -- they were rocket launchers with an open back. And, having fired 5.56mm rounds, they do indeed have a very light recoil.

[@Kuypers125]

So it was hotter than ice cold? Sounds accurate to me Granted, they were probibly trying to get that part wrong too

[@lemagicbaguette1917]

@@rcrawford42 I’d not mind if these things did have such recoil xD

[@delfinenteddyson9865]

What i really like about this article, is that it showcases that spreading gross misinformation doesn't need social media platforms like tiktok.

[@Rose19127]

Bright Side has a lot of misinformation and AI images of the Titanic !!! That channel is garbage and should be banned from KZbin

[@yannisabel874]

I really find it funny how most of those article are probably written by some people who watched the 1997 movie and read few lines on Wikipedia and decide it was enough to write those article.

[@papahamdrew9962]

Even the movie didn’t mention a lot of this. The only thing in the movie that’s close to this “theory” was the ship sped ahead at full speed and avoided ice warnings. Everything else in this article is trashing Ismay or believing the fire weakened the ship

[@yannisabel874]

@@papahamdrew9962 I know it was just a way of saying that people think that because they saw the movie and read a wikipédia page they know enough to write articles like the one Mike showed us

[@papahamdrew9962]

@@yannisabel874 yes ofc

[@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935]

For real mega stupidity nothing beats KZbin comments, anything goes and the stupider the comment the more likes it gets.

[@alexlocatelli2876]

​@@papahamdrew9962 The movie thrashed Ismay as well.

[@matthubble8245]

The Blazing Saddles reference makes me love your channel that much more. Well done, Aussie friend. Well done, indeed.

[@michaelbaughman8524]

"Bin juice" is now a permanent part of my vocabulary.

[@TheUffeess]

I love it when educated people crush idiotic theories. I think Mike should do more of this, and it doesn't have to be ship related.

[@mikegyro]

The ships ran every week for years before the Titanic. Captain Smith was the one of the most experienced of the captains running the liners at the time. It is a freak accident, that hadn't happened before, or since really. It's surreal, and devastatingt and unprecedented. Beyond that, it is an opportunity to make money on fear and that, is why we are still talking about it today.

[@mikegyro]

And I agree with you. 😊

[@OUTTA-TYME88]

Too bad you can't get through to conspiracy nuts. Even with physical evidence

[@louise_rose]

Yep, this kind of stuff often crawls into tv documentaries these days 'cause they want to make it sound sensational and keep the audiences hooked... I remember how angry I felt at a tv biopic of Houdini I saw in childhood where the story of his end was told like he drowned hanging chained upside down in a locked see-through tank filled with water on stage. I was thirteen or something (and this was before the internet) but I knew quite well that Houdini had NOT died from any of his performances - he became ill after a guy had slapped him in the belly (and no, that was not followed by him going on stage). The way it was told in that tv movie was fiction of course, but it pretended to be the real story.

[@TheUffeess]

@@louise_roseIf neither you nor I care about this, who do they turn to? People are getting dumber, this is a fact, but does this mean that we sane people should feel better? I'm Swedish, and here we say: Equal children play best. Let me know if you don't understand what I mean.

[@brianbks02]

"OH NOOOO, THERE WON'T BE ANY *SPECIAL* STEEL ON THIS SHIP, WE'VE RUN OUT OF MONEY!11!" Peak comedy Mike, absolutely amazing hahahahaha

[@brianbks02]

Also... "SS Titanic".

[@EarlTheWhiteNinja]

Poor Ismay. Victim of major character assassination just because he was in the right place at the right time to survive the sinking of Titanic. Also, banana? Ain't no way 💀😆 Great video as always, Mike!

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

The 1911 edition of 'Who's Who' lists among Ismay's hobbies that he enjoyed strangling kittens. He was, of course, the prototype for Dick Dastardly, of Whacky Races fame. I made both of those up. I feel a book coming on!

[@SynchronizorVideos]

It's not even that he was wandering around and luckily found a lifeboat with open seats. He was next to that lifeboat because he was helping load passengers into it. Many accounts corroborate that Ismay - who was not part of the ship's crew remember - worked hard to help load people into lifeboats. When he did get himself into a boat, it was the second-to-last to be launched, and there was no-one else around to get into it. And after the sinking, he was severely traumatized and was affected for the rest of his life by what he had been through. And getting dragged through the dirt unfairly over the sinking did nothing to help his mental state. Poor dude got done real dirty.

[@221b-l3t]

@@SynchronizorVideos "A Night to Remember" pretty much gets it right with Ismay. "So the single ended boilers are not yet lit?" "Oh no, we wouldn't want to strain the engines before they're run in" "Of course not, I leave it to your best judgement, I am just a passenger" And he steps aside and starts annoying Andrews about some fancy new feature and if it's working well. He spent the entire night lowering boats and pleading with reluctant passengers to get in. At some point becoming quite "insistent". He did panic once and Lightoller or someone told him to go inside and he apologised and continued cranking the handle on the davit. When he stepped in it was pretty much the last boat that didn't float off, no one else was there and the boat was at best 2/3 full if not half. In ANTR he asks "Is there no one else?". That may or may not have happened, I'll trust Lord's research in that case. Either way, he did look around and saw there was no one besides him and a few sailors lowering away. He wasn't really needed, he was just helping out the sailors. Furthermore after his death (within a few months of Olympic being scrapped) his niece I believe described him as a "walking corpse" and "broken man" after the sinking. He suffered heavily from depression and likely survivors guilt. The way Cameron tore into him is one of the few things I'm truly salty about with the 97 movie. All evidence was there, everyone knew better. It just made for a good story. Speed trials and all that. At 21 knots. Olympic once broke 24.6 knots. 23 knots regularly her service speed was actually raised in the last years since the engines where now burning oil and more powerful than ever. Probably surpassing Britannic with her larger turbine in HP. Ismay needs to be left alone. The negativity already ruined his life and now the portrayal in the movie even makes life harder for his descendants. Fk Cameron and his unimaginative blue Pocahontas aliens. Romeo and Juliet in space this time. Make another Terminator or retire to the Canadian woods. "Unobtanium" was a real stroke of creative genius. 6 ly to dig out some stupid metal... the bank would have rejected the proposal on day one. "Ok 5 trillion dollar spaceship? Profit in a century? Blue aliens? Application denied. Try Bank of America."

[@Daledugahole]

There were hundreds of other passengers in the right place at the right time that didn't get into a life boat. He wasn't a bad person he just made a rash decision that any one of us could have made in the same position. The fact he felt bad about what he did shows he knew it was the wrong thing to do. He would end up paying for that decision for the rest of his life.

[@-Zikade-]

Indeed. Why do people always have this urgent need to make someone THE villain? It's pretty pathetic actually. One thing which makes the sinking of the Titanic so fascinating to me is that there *is no* dedicated villain or one thing responsible, instead it was a sum of different elements not all of which had to do with human error (the exceptionally calm weather made it very hard to spot icebergs). The tragedy of Titanic is very different from the likes of e.g. Costa Concordia.

[@ohnomyhandleistaken]

Technically, a "supercruise" is when an aircraft can go supersonic without the use of afterburners. Amazing technology that Titanic had 100 years ago, IN THE WATER.

[@nathantudor5763]

Obviously only possible because they didn’t use the special steel, to keep her weight down and make such speeds possible! And they thought it was a good idea to go that fast in an iceberg field! While on fire no less!

[@MetalCharlo]

All thanks to that Special Steel

[@loganhuffgarden9705]

Thanks for making me die inside Mike. This article sounded like something that Bright Side would make.

[@eriklehnsherr5784]

🤣🤣🤣 I hate to laugh because this was just painful to sit through, but you're SO right!

[@KingDogeTheIIII]

bro how r u so correct tho

[@Katoshi_Takagumi]

Possibly they have, not sure, Sam should know he tends to find Bright Side (BS for short) content absolutely riveting.

[@Sassymouse88]

This is like 5-min crafts in article form 😂

[@randallellison6421]

Just imagine what it was like for Mike reading that! I thought the guy was going to jump out of a window for a minute there!

[@Please_allow_me]

"Ugh I'll get you Cunard Line" I need more over the top Bruce Ismay impressions please 😂

[@rrice1705]

I think an often-quoted remark from none other than Abraham Lincoln applies here "The thing about quotes from the internet is that it's hard to verify their authenticity."

[@MegaSnow121]

😅

[@lolloblue9646]

"If I get quoted on the Internet, I probably said it." -Sun-Tzu

[@generaltophat5877]

I am so happy we have this kind of content now. I remember finding anyone criticizing these tabloids ten years ago was a rarity. Thank you Mike, this was very entertaining. If I had a suggestion, I would love to see you react to film theory’s video on Titanic cause they have some DUMB takes.

[@zacherz13]

This was really fun to see you, usually so poised and composed, approach losing-your-mind, on a quicker-and-quicker escalation. I was cracking up!

[@tony9146]

Watching Mike slowly but progressively lose it in this video was hilarious 😂

[@toddkurzbard]

@@tony9146 He should analyze some "Bright Side" videos next. I've watch them drive Sam mad.

[@hollieBlu303]

The sad thing is that this sounds more like the building plans for the TITAN...not the Titanic. Tragic.

[@hollieBlu303]

I have things to say....and most of them are to do with the Titanic herself....but the rest? (knock the 'c' off her name). It is too sad and too soon. Out of respect the Titanic has claimed another five. Whether hubris, greed or wtf ever possesses someone to go nearly 4000m underwater for ANY REASON in an untested vessel (sounds horrifying, btw)...the Titan is a tragedy. Lest we forget 😔 Respects to their friends and family who are left behind...let them rest on peace with their passion

[@mattboy5296]

Something in particular I found funny about this article is them using Olympic's collision with the Hawke as evidence that the steel used in the construction was weak. When in actuality, that incident helped *boost* confidence in the safety of the Olympic class. The Hawke had a reinforced bow that was specifically designed to ram other ships and sink them, the fact that Olympic, while certainly damaged, still stayed afloat and even managed to sail back to Belfast under her own power for repairs was incredible. And then of course we have all the other things that Old Reliable ran into during her life that sank while she kept going. These ships were strong, but nothing, even the strongest things, are 100% invincible. Titanic and Britannic weren’t abnormally weak or their sinkings seemingly inevitable, they just got severely unlucky.

[@igorspitz]

Sad thing is that such quality is pretty common these days in a lot of areas of our lives. This one is harmless at least but still really sad.

[@n8pls543]

Always has been. The journalism from Titanic's era was in itself pretty egregious, see how Ismay was getting personally attacked by Hearst's newspapers because Hearst and Ismay weren't the best of friends.

[@unbearifiedbear1885]

SS Nomadic, the passenger tender (Taxi) which ferried passengers to the Titanic, was constructed in the same yard, using the same method, at the same time, with the *exact same steel* that was cut for Olympic/Titanic. Saw service for decades and is still in good enough condition that they run several boarded tours a day, every day. Also; steel is ordered and cut years in advance, there is little to no chance you could change it if you wanted to. There was nothing wrong with Titanics steel

[@Fetidaf]

But they used “ordinary” steel, not “special” steel! Whatever that means

[@jeffhouston7585]

@@Fetidaf There's actually a documentary that do a analyzis of Titanic's wreck and sinking. At some point they remove the "Big Peace" and cut a small part of it, and submit it to tests. The results was that the Titanic's steel was even better than the steel of her time. Those ship's were very well built. But a catastrophic chainreaction with the power of nature directly involded reminded us all once again that the ocean is still powerful. I'm a ship enthusiast since i was 7, and honestly, i'd never wrote something like that article, EVEN when i was 7 XD.

[@killjoy1887]

@@jeffhouston7585 A chunk of the Titanic's hull was taken to the metallurgy department at the University of Missouri Rolla in 1995 while the steel was not great by todays standards it was at or above average for 1910.

[@jeffhouston7585]

@@killjoy1887 That's what i said. "Titanic's steel was even better than the steel of her time"

[@killjoy1887]

@@jeffhouston7585 Yeah I was just adding details I was at that school at the time although I was in a different engineering discipline.

[@KeyanCarlile]

I'm 100% convinced this article was spit out by AI. It's so incoherent and just gives the vibes of ChatGPT trying to impersonate an article. The fact there's no author attached also makes me think that.

[@michaelcbrady]

That's a rally good point and would explain a LOT.

[@johnmcdonnell2404]

You’ve got to love that they wrote about Titanic’s crew being worried about running out of coal, and then write about them throwing coal into furnaces with careless abandon to get rid of that coal fire. You couldn’t write this stuff… oh wait, I guess you could!

[@gregorymoore2877]

Yeah. Pretty sure that in reality, they just transferred coal to other bunkers.

[@Altema22]

Funny how the story went from cutting corners to sparing no expense! It's also amusing that coal fires melt metal. What were the boiler fireboxes made of again? 😂😂

[@nathantudor5763]

Special steel?

[@michaelbaughman8524]

@@nathantudor5763 Thanks for the belly laugh!

[@Play_fare]

Probably the only way boilers could have failed would be through crown sheet failure (lack of water on the top of the hot boiler) or rapid thermal shock, such as ice cold sea water hitting a very hot boiler. Other factors like thermal stress from repeated heating and cooling wouldn’t apply since she was a new ship.

[@keithammleter3824]

Altema, you are misinformed. There are two sorts of wall in a steam plant firebox: those in contact with water (firebox roof and the tubes) and those that are not. If you let a boiler go dry, the boiler is ruined - the water holds down the temperature of water contact walls to the temperature that water boils at, which is very considerably lower than the flame temperature. Where walls are not in contact with water, they are lined with refractory material so that the steel is insulated from the flames.

[@plum_bit]

I never understood the 'weak steel' argument. Surely, no matter how high quality the metal was, slamming a massive ship into a stationary block of ice is going to do massive damage in any case.

[@kc4cvh]

Slag-ridden rivets snapped and allowed the hull plates to shift and spring outward as the hull brushed against the iceberg.

[@bubbleentity]

​@@kc4cvh yeah, no. Quality control was still a thing back then, and if your steel was found to be full of slag inclusions, it would have been rejected and sent back.

[@Crosshair84]

I believe the supposed issue was in regards to too much sulfur in the steel. Resulting in steel that was perfectly fine when tested for strength, but was actually brittle when cooled to just above freezing. Instead of bending, it would fracture. So it wasn't that the steel was weak, it's that the steel was relatively brittle at near freezing temperatures. Engineers at the time didn't know that this was a problem, so it wasn't tested for.

[@kc4cvh]

@@bubbleentity Metallurgical analysis of Titanic rivets recovered from the sea floor revealed the majority contained sufficient slag to reduce their strength significantly.

[@bubbleentity]

@@kc4cvh do you have references to that study? Because I have rather strong doubts to that claim. Notably impurities != slag. Slag is very noticable in steel and iron production, and is easily separated. Indeed the separation of slag during iron and steel foundry processes were understood for literally hundreds of years by this point.

[@Henri_Hilarious]

2:58 Mike has officially renamed the Cedric as the RMS The Fourth One whose name I always forget

[@NealBones]

Love the editing on this one! 😂I love how professionally you can portray yourself on the main channel and can let your humor come out on the personal channel

[@michaelcbrady]

Its fun working on videos which aren’t about tragedy :’)

[@polbecca]

I think we need to see the voluminously handlebar moustachioed Mr Brady more often.

[@kennethwehrs8924]

In fact I believe they DID release excess steam from the boilers once the full stop was ordered. There are reports of the sound being deafening, which resulted in many passengers staying inside the ship. That and the freezing cold temperatures on deck.

[@gregorymoore2877]

Absolutely, they would have released excess steam. You really don't want cold sea water rushing up against a hot pressured boiler. That would be catastrophic.

[@Jack-Hands]

You know it's going to be good when the Titanic is called a "cruise ship".

[@gregorymoore2877]

Not just a cruise ship, but a super cruise ship.

[@neoqwerty]

@@gregorymoore2877 .....I wonder if the person who wrote this is also the guy who wrote The Return to Freddy's and the super cancer AIDS that was also very poorly written.

[@gchecosse]

​@@gregorymoore2877not merely a super cruise ship, but a supercruise ship, whatever that is.

[@nathantudor5763]

@@gchecossea cruise ship, but super!

[@eifionjones559]

lol

[@Stewi1014]

Thanks for you content mate! Honestly, listening to someone who's not just highly educated on a field, but also passionate is completely infectious and inspiring.

[@nightman_cometh9367]

Titanic misinformation starter pack: -They didn't care about icebergs because they thought the ship was unsinkable - The public had biblical faith in the ship's safety - Binoculars would've prevented the accident -The iceberg ripped a gaping hole in the side or even ran it over - More lifeboats would've made all the difference - Ismay pressured Capt Smith to ignore ice warnings before surviving on a lifeboat dressed as a woman This article hit them all. You can tell the author thought this is brilliantly written. This is exactly how I would've written in secondary school.

[@Annielee825]

Please do more of these! This was incredibly entertaining. As an aspiring historian working on (actual!) historic cruise ships, but who somehow always ends up debating Titanic, I share your frustration BIG TIME ;)

[@bramvermaat1453]

HISTORIC CRUISE SHIPS? Real historian

[@Annielee825]

@@bramvermaat1453 Any problem with that research topic?

[@micahwoodard]

I've read so many terrible articles and watched documentaries that are just full of bs and garbage - it gets me very heated. These so called "facts", that can be debunked with a 3rd grade education, get spewed out and "journalists" just run with it. Thanks for doing your part by making an effort to maintain the integrity of the story - and entertaining me in the process!

[@jcohasset23]

Unfortunately, a lot of sites care more about the number of "clicks" and engagement without carrying what the content is or how factual it is. Especially in a 24/7 news and information age sensationalism and click-baiting drives a lot of content.

[@JBHorganist]

My favorite bit is the "ninth circle," which, as has been pointed out, is a lake of ice in Dante...not quite a coal-fired steel-melting lava inferno. LOL! I appreciated this video and the healthy corrective it offers. To paraphrase Gandalf, I will not say do not snark, for not all sneers are evil.

[@Pyrphoros236]

15:44 This comparison becomes even more ridiculous when you consider that, according to Dante, the 9th circle is a frozen lake. 😂

[@Mrtom248]

I've been watching your videos for the past few weeks and informative and fascinating. This one after a long day at work was just what I needed. It's absolutely hilarious and annoying that sort of rubbish can even be printed. Keep the videos coming.

[@TheMemeDynamics]

Alternative title: Mike gets introduced to the pain of Sam

[@Rose19127]

I know because of Bright Side

[@dima343.]

Luxurious super cruise liner RMS Bananic was doomed from beginning, by villainous chairman of Yellow Fruit Line, sir Mustache-man, who ordered it's construction from second-rate banana skin, and instantly sunk just in 2h40min, due to colliding with iceberg (or it was lump of frozen strawberry?), which peeled it's skin, exposing soft fruit inside.

[@loganhuffgarden9705]

It also annoys me when people call the Titanic a cruise ship as well.

[@emreekinci4258]

Nah it's not a cruise ship. It's a super cruise ship

[@turtleisaac]

This aged well

[@lord_vader6545]

I just love the part where it says that the Titanic was going full speed to conserve coal, writer, that’s not how that works

[@ZGryphon]

"Officer, I _had_ to go that fast, it was the only way I had a chance of making it home before I ran out of gas."

[@georgemartin1436]

Comparing Titanic to a banana is RIDICULOUS! She was WAY MORE like a plantain! Geez!

[@FearlessLeader2001]

I think the problem with Titanic and similar situations like it is how senseless it was. People desperately feel the need to justify such an enormous loss of life or push the blame onto some kind of scapegoat. This is probably why myths and lies like the corner cutting or how the entire crew was intoxicated and incompetent came to fruition. (Yes, I have heard the latter one said by someone unironically.)

[@MediumRareOpinions]

What annoys me about those kinds of misconceptions, is that most other ships in the same situation wouldn't have stayed afloat as long and likely would have gone down with all hands and passengers. Despite it being a testament to its construction and crew effort that so many were saved, it's reputation in pop history is unfairly one of failure and incompetence.

[@Yetaxa]

yep. Titanic sunk because it hit an iceberg in just the right conditions to allow it to sink. Nothing else. The Twin Towers collapsed because they were hit by planes flown by terrorists the COVID-19 pandemic happened because of a novel coronavirus that started in Wuhan spread around the world That's the story of these things. People love a deeper mystery and deeper reason but sometimes "shit happens"

[@nathantudor5763]

@@MediumRareOpinionsimagine if she’d gone down as fast as, say, the Estonia…

[@edbridges1164]

With every second I can see Mike's Brain melting I used to believe in the conspiracies surrounding Titanic now however I've "Jumped Ship" and also I love that people are still taking care of these Liners even though they're long gone even though through digital content! Keep it coming! Love your work "Skipper"

[@celestemcallister1307]

So what I'm taking away from this article is,buy higher quality bananas,always have duct tape on hand.

[@michaelcbrady]

Only the best bananas will do, no cost-cutting!

[@nathantudor5763]

@@michaelcbradyand make sure the bananas use “special” steel!

[@ryantimm9748]

I hadn’t realized how funny you actually are! It was good to see you a little more lighthearted in this than I usually see you lol

[@Xenuos]

I love how apparently Titanic was a supercruise liner but.. Olympic somehow wasn't?

[@Andx29]

Mike this has to be one of my favourite videos you’ve posted. Your reactions to this article had me cracking up. Keep up the awesome work as always!

[@ExUSSailor]

Wait a minute, "sank so quickly"? It took nearly 3 hours to sink!

[@dr.sommercamp3435]

Wait, there was no giant friendly octopus who saved the titanic?!😂

[@DouglasHord]

I have always enjoyed everything you produce, but now I have to say I LOVE YOU. This was an awesome video!! Please do more take downs of these ridiculous conspiracy theories about Titanic (or any other ship)

[@TyphoonTip970]

What really got me was “think of the Titanic as a banana”.

[@p_filippouz]

*b a n a n a p e e l t h e o r y*

[@kommandantgalileo]

This video has taught me that Bus Limousines are real things.

[@prycenewberg3976]

Wait wait wait... The big four... The Adriatic, The Baltic, The Celtic, and The Cedric? Not... the Seadric? They already had two named after seas, but deliberately misspelling Cedric as Seadric was just too hard? Man... missed opportunity.

[@emilbt7588]

the fact that we live on the same planet as the person who wrote this garbage makes me very angry

[@ZGryphon]

Worse, that person presumably got paid for it.

[@Jessa-RM]

Unless it was written by AI, I kind of get the feeling it was.

[@delfinenteddyson9865]

12:05 "to be fair, the equivalent of King Tutankhamun's tomb would probably be the wreck itself" you seem to be on point good sir

[@RikoScouse]

Alternative video title: Mike dieing inside for almost half an hour. 😅

[@michaelcbrady]

:’( I really did

[@zacharycolton267]

Well this was a well timed title

[@Cr1msonWxRLD]

"Supercruise liner" "Ismay gambled that his cruise ship" "Think of the Titanic as a banana" "budget cutting" "Bruce Ismay risked the lives of over 2,200 men, women, and children for money" I can't... 💀💀💀💀

[@Adamwypiorkiewicz7821]

F1 super extra fast vroomi vroomi 4 wheel vechicle🤑

[@Schwarzenfels]

The only supercruise I know of, is if a plane is capable of sustained supersonic flight without the use of an afterburner. And I'm quite positive, that has nothing to do with Titanic, or her sisters.

[@sparrowlt]

im reading all that in that dreadfull music of TV reality shows when they vilify somone "but listen to the music he is evil!"

[@BAZTI12]

POV: Bright side starts making articles

[@zyavoosvawleilte1308]

The source for that last quote is the 1943 Titanic movie

[@Henri_Hilarious]

3:35 Mike’s portrayal of Ismay is the best ever!

[@MiniMC546]

Alternate title: Mike Brady gets introduced to Sam's world of Titanic misinformation

[@Historymaker-2001]

Poor Sam, poor Mike!

[@Rose19127]

​@@Historymaker-2001No thanks to the Bright Side!!!!

[@Historymaker-2001]

@@Rose19127 Yeah, I don't understand how that channel survives.

[@Rose19127]

@@Historymaker-2001 Idk either!!! Too many people are subscribing to that channel !! Aaron1912 is getting famous on The Bright Side

[@Rose19127]

@@Historymaker-2001Idk !! Their stuff is garbage and their Titanic images are AI generated !!! I think they just sell lies and bad images of the Titanic !!

[@AmazingKevinWClark]

I need to fix a support beam in my kitchen, can I get some of that special steel please??

[@bo7341]

Poor Ismay gets slandered because he wore a mustache that since has become a "bad guy mustache" in the one picture of him that is always used. At this point, I think that is 90 percent of why his reputation has been so slandered.

[@ebobro2175]

I'm still waiting for the day when someone mixes up "cruise ship" and "ocean liner" in the other way and calls Titanic an "ocean ship"

[@randomrazr]

i always looked at titanic different. it was a tragdey, but titanic helped SAVE over 700 lives. Stayed afloat longer then any other ship given the amount of damage and managed to get almost all lifeboats off the ship, minus the last 2 that floated off. people say more lives could have been saved if she had more llifeboats, but in reality, if the crew barely got off the current amout of lifeboats, what are the chances of them laaunching double that. titanic offered the best case scenerio to save as many people possible.

[@plum_bit]

Also, ships tend to roll over as they sink. Titanic was remarkably stable as she went down.

[@DanielTaylorOCMD]

The thing I hate most about this is that there are those who will read the original article and then go on to believe it. They will then go on to quote these "facts" and cite this as evidence for the belief, or false attribution. This seems more and more prevalent these days as people are more interested in how they feel over what is real.

[@pikachu6031]

Great job Mike. Just a very minor correction if I may. “Super-cruise” is a word! It refers to a Jet Aircraft, such as Concorde. It means that it’s capable of sustaining Supersonic Cruise Speed, Without the Afterburners being continuously engaged! Love the videos mate. Superb job. Please keep them coming. Regards from England.

[@thomasmaloney843]

So the Titanic was capable of super cruise? Quite an engineering feat in 1912! Such an accurate book!

[@callummclachlan4771]

@@thomasmaloney843 and on water nonetheless. Seems the water speed record isn't as dangerous as it's made to be out.

[@katherineberger6329]

To add a bit more context there's a slight difference between definitions of supercruise. Some supercruising aircraft have to use afterburners to get above Mach 1 but can stay supersonic once they're out of the transonic drag regime. Others, most notably the F-22 Raptor, can accelerate past Mach 1 on dry thrust alone.

[@ThatWolfFromHyruleGaming]

TBH I spit my water out when you showed the "Ismay twirling his moustache" bit. Instant sub!

[@AceofAces777]

15:45 “Fire as hot as the ninth circle of Dantes Inferno” The ninth circle which Dante said was made entirely of ice? 🤔

[@jennfierkrueger8302]

oh, yes, negative fire sank the titanic........even though it melted the steel XD

[@CrucialParodies]

3:30 only 3 minutes in and I’m on the floor dying from that Ismay impression

[@8ballout]

I fely so sorry for you, mate. I could see your pain while going through this. But yes, please more of this. Great videos.

[@leofink2231]

I wonder why this is being recommended to me right now…

[@zephyr8072]

Ah yes this is just how in WW2, the Bismarck was the world’s first mega cannon boat.

[@ralphdougherty1844]

I’ll never forget James Cameron calling it “The Death Star of its time”…I can’t watch that documentary without laughing at that line.

[@Ah01]

Very good comparison, Bismarck - religion is annoying, to put it mildly…

[@alecboi777]

remember: Olympic was the first supercruise trooper big boom guns

[@Xamry]

This 25:32 WAS incredibly fun I’m used to your demeanour in Oceanliner Designs and while I love your storytelling style seeing this side of you was great 😂😂

[@Lewdcina]

my main takeaway from this video is that mike brady also forgets the name of the Cedric, and suddenly i dont feel quite as bad about always forgetting the 2nd member of the big four

[@andrewcarter7503]

I remember my grandmother saying to me "I don't care what they tell you at school. The crew of the Titanic were all black". Obviously she was suffering from severe dementia at the time.

[@Fleur-de-lis4]

Why did Titanic sink? "BuDget cUtS! "tHInK oF tHe TiTaNiC aS A bAnANa!"

[@Rose19127]

Yes the Banana Peel Theory

[@siphillis]

I'm having "Think of the Titanic as a banana" etched into my tombstone.

[@the.sketch.projekt8851]

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. Everyone wants to find a villain in the story of the Titanic. There is no villain whether it be: Bruce Ismay, William Pirrie, the Californian and Stanley Lord, Lightoller or Murdock (possibly because of the film). There are no villains in the story, this entire event was just a sad coincidence and normal human error. There were no plots to sink the ship for insurance. It was just an accident. Frankly, I’m sick of all the hate that Ismay still gets. Could he have done more during the sinking? Yes he could’ve but he did something. He did help people off the ship and when he did actually leave, it was on one of the last lifeboats and it was fine that he did so since no other passengers were around at the time. Ismay did make mistakes that ultimately tarnished his name but history always tells a different story. He was not Moriarty, Blofeld or Wilson Fisk, he was just a businessman.

[@nathantudor5763]

Being a businessman makes you evil in and of itself according to some crazy ideologies these days…

[@SeanMcGuire92]

8:15 "Senan Maloney" As someone whose name is also Sean, like Sean Maloney, this might have been the most inaccurate thing that hurt me the most in this. 😂 That aside, this video was a hoot and I'm so glad KZbin has recommended your channels to me yesterday, they're all so good!

[@Carliekins]

I was looking for this comment! I was like "senan?" but thought that's how they pronounced "shawn" back then 😂😂😂

[@laurenanderson7]

I actually think the article has a typo, the authors name is Senan Maloney (Irish name), unsure why they have written it as Sean…later on they reference him again and correctly spell his name 😂

[@MoatenGat]

A supercruise liner, means she could break mach 1 with out having to use afterburners. so yeah should would be the first.

[@gregorymoore2877]

Mach 1. Just think, she would have held the Blue Ribband forever.

[@nathantudor5763]

God imagine hitting a heavy swell in a ship doing Mach 1… she’d go airbourne…

[@MoatenGat]

@@nathantudor5763 All The Way

[@waywardh9528]

Not to proud to say, the banana joke got me every time

[@GladTrenchMan]

With all the Ismay slander I'm convinced they reincarnated William Randolph Hearst to write this.

[@bsa45acp]

The author of this article is an excellent example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect. Which can be defined as a type of cognitive bias, where people with little expertise or ability assume they have superior expertise or ability. This overestimation occurs as a result of the fact that they don’t have enough knowledge to know they don’t have enough knowledge.

[@foxtrot1212]

I'd be curious to see your reaction to the Discovery Channel's documentary, Curiosity: What Sank Titanic? They had some really nice set builds and reenactments from the crew and guest aboard the ship that I really liked, but a few details caught me off guard and seemed incorrect. I found a copy of it from my local Library Under a 100th Anniversary Collection.

[@SophieJackson1993]

I didn’t think there would be a day where someone would ask me to think of the RMS Titanic as a banana. Life is wild.

[@kostakole9876]

3:32 Yeah, it's sad to see Ismay get all the blame for like everything. I mean, the press literally made shit up about him and yet, some of the myths they created about him are still used as a tool to make him look evil. Also the classic 19th century villan impersonation was perfect!

[@zephyr8072]

It’s amazing that the yellow journalism smear campaign against Ismay worked so well that to this day so many believe he was some sort of supervillain or at the very least that it’s “common knowledge” that he cut costs, pressured Captain Smith into going too fast (impossible) and was a coward who took a woman’s place on a lifeboat (he helped passengers onto the lifeboats and only took an *empty* spot when a crewman insisted). The power of the media I guess.

[@saucejohnson9862]

A handsome, young gentleman wearing a tie. I’m not gay but that deserves a subscription itself.