Reacting To Another Welsh Loss Against The Boks

[@OnlineSuccessCoach]

As a Bok supporter - tough game for the Welsh, but I so respect the effort they put in throughout the game. Top attitude. Your captain seems like a top bloke. A few years ago the Boks were really struggling and lost some shocking games. They built over time and are now in a great place. I get that Wales may not have the same depth. But they have the heart and the passion and the character to bounce back. And world rugby needs Wales to bounce back. Botham, Morgan and Lake deserve special credit from todays game. And credit to the Welsh supporters for sticking with their team throughout. All the best for the Six Nations, mate. I enjoy following your reviews and videos, so looking forward to whats to come! Thank you!

[@shaun30-3-mg9zs]

Thanks mate that means a lot to a Welsh rugby fan, Spring Boks are a great team and get my full respect, long live rugby union

[@OnlineSuccessCoach]

The Welsh are some of the best sports I've come across. Kolisi was very quick to point out how Great the Welsh fans are and i couldn't agree more! I'll keep cheering your team on and I firmly believe you'll be back competing soon enough:) may take a few growing pains over this six nations and next year.. but lots of time to build for the next WC!

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeah I’m with Shaun too. Thanks mate means a lot. Always a great contest between us even if you’ve been smashing us recently 😂😂🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇿🇦

[@randomlyfactual1943]

The doldrums Wales are in right now is due to the lack of vision from the board, years ago. Gatland has seen this movie many times: you have a team full of experienced individuals, but these guys eventually get older and are then forced to retire. I'm 100% sure that had Gatland been able, he would have started bleeding talent a lot earlier, so that his frontline choices had a backup. Yes, it would have meant that Wales would maybe drop a match or two that they could otherwise have won a few years back, but that is short term pain for long term gain. Unfortunately both the board and the fans were too fickle, being only results driven and not paying any mind to the rainy days of the medium-term future. Well, were here now and it has been a disaster. Blaming a coach who is not performing with a team that averages 14 caps per player is an extremely myopic view. Nobody is going to become an Etzebeth, a Dupont or a Kolbe overnight and it's time that the Welsh stakeholders (management, media pundits and fans) start recognising this fact. Viewed through this prism, Wales performed better than expected this past weekend; they were decimated at the scrums and suffered a lot of front foot ball being given away, but they defended like Trojans. This might sound patronising, but the fact that the Springboks - a team bristling with double world cup winners - couldn't score at least 70 with that amount of ball and attacking opportunities is a huge credit to the defense. To any Welsh fans, go do your self a favour: go look up the Brighton Miracle, the match where Japan beat the Boks. Look at South Africa's lineup on that day. Then go look up the Boks losing to Italy in 2016/2017 and look at their lineup. Then go look up the Boks worst defeats against New Zealand, 57-0 in NZ and 57-14 in SA. Look at those lineups. You might be shocked to see names like Etzebeth, Pieter-Steph du Toit, Siya Kolisi, Frans Malherbe, Steven Kitshoff, Damian De Allende, Faf De Klerk, Willie Le Roux, Jesse Kriel in there, not just once, but multiple times! As unfathomable those names sound in conjunction with such dismal results, YES, the Boks faced humiliation after humiliation from 2015 to 2017 (also due to poor management). Gatland is a great coach who has been given not just a poisoned chalice, but a radioactive one. Let. The. Man. Cook.

[@williamhastie2772]

🇿🇦 Wales, the heart your team showed in this game shows you'll be back. Rugby needs you!

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Thanks mate. I hope so 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇿🇦

[@samothemano]

Surprisingly not as bad as expected today. (Some) of the boys fought really hard today. We could’ve totally capitulated after the 3rd try but the boys were alright. Man for man we were totally dominated and outclassed and that’s just where we are right now. This hasn’t given me any hope for the 6 Nations but today could’ve been ALOT worse. I think the Saffas were pretty poor for the second half which made us look better than we were. I dunno, man… it just feels so flat right now. One INSANE stat from today is that we MISSED 46 tackles. That basically half of the total tackles that SA made the entire game (93)

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Thats an insane stat mate. The fact that Jac Morgan made nearly 30 tackles makes me worry about his longevity if we keep performing the way we do Agree with you though it could’ve been worse, but I’m the same. I just feel nothing really 😂

[@xxwales15xx33]

The boys never gave up and showed fighting spirit till the end. We desperately need a new head coach and the sacking of Walker and Tierney

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

They gave 100% no doubt

[@jamesgill9223]

@@TheWelshSportsPodcaststill like 15-16 penalties is unacceptable at any level. Jack Morgan and Dewi lake were solid. The rest of the team just straight poor!!

[@robertwilliams9234]

@@jamesgill9223James Botham played well

[@christopherdewet2836]

A lot of respect for your team. But you'll soon find that Gatland is not the problem. You need to sort out your local unions, and these young guys need this experience.

[@davidpearn2484]

And who do you think could do a better job than Gats.

[@ruanniemann1678]

❤ wales is a proud rugby nation, they gave it their all yesterday, i felt bad for Gatland, he looked so isolated. We have also been through cycles like this, it gets better lads. Love from South Africa

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Thank you. Hopefully this is the bottom and we can rise from here

[@TheoJones-b4d]

When he played , Thomas looked good . I would love to see him and Jenkins in the scrum this six nations if Jenkins is fit. Hathaway had some good moments. I think the lack of experience is stopping this team from being great. Eddie James was good aswell. Looking forward for the future

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

I’m hopeful that these are growing pains. It just sucks atm 😂

[@sakabula2357]

As a Bok supporter its on my bucket list to hear the Welsh national anthem live at a home game..absolutely beautiful...if Wales got points for singing they would be unstoppable

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

That’s great to hear. Glad you enjoyed. Always a great atmosphere between both fans

[@spervuurproduksies]

It's a young team that is under a trial of fire. What impressed me was that they never stopped fighting, even though they must have been knackered from all the tackling and monster scrums.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

The heart was there but effort should be a given at this level. I think SA took their foot off the peddle and could have been way worse

[@erhardtjoubert3455]

Dark times... we kinda know something about that. Before Rassie took over, the Springboks got nilled by the ABs (57-0). This was a team that contained true greats like PSDT, Eben, Kolisi, Vermeulen, Pollard, Damien D. Just stick with it guys, you are a proud rugby nation and this crucible will make steel. There are stars in this team, unfortunately you need to go through this to get to the gold. Welsh rugby will never die. My second favorite team outside the Boks, has always been and will always be. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇿🇦 Keep singing ladies and gentlemen. Success is coming, you just need patients. Australia were going through a similar thing start of this year, just look at them now.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Great reading this comment mate. Thank you. Hopefully this is rock bottom f we will come back again 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇿🇦

[@jerrybuirski2344]

For getting her university degree my mom was treated to a supporters' tour with the 1952 Boks through the UK (that was the 44-0 at Murrayfield tour). It was during that tour that she fell in love with Welsh singing, and for the rest of her life she always turned up the volume on the TV when the Welsh started singing in the stands for games against us.

[@kslice810]

Wales never gave up.. that was really good to see... after the two locks opened the account for SA, I thought ok, here we go, but only a 30 point loss with fight to the end was good to watch.

[@cbolt4492]

Proud of our effort 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@kabeermaharaj6572]

Hey Wales, dont feel to hard done, I'm South Africa, I've watched the game, man it was tough for your team. Don't feel hard done, you are talking about the World Champions here, this set of your players and demolishing even better teams namely all blacks. A all black team we came back from a losing position, in this year not so long ago. Your team showed heart and tried everything they could to fight back. So dont feel bad, at the moment SA is just running rampant.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Thank you. Kind of you to say. Always a good atmosphere between our two sets of fans so thanks 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇿🇦

[@mhoppy6639]

@@kabeermaharaj6572 gotta say, (🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿) here and I love watching the Boks play. Love the power game mixed with the worldie wingers and running rugby. Superb stuff. Whenever I see Cheslin play it reminds me of my dad God rest his soul, cos he loved watching skilful wingers with a step. He would’ve absolutely loved Cheslin even though he plays for you guys - except when he’s destroying us in the WRC final lol 😂. Enjoy this team my friend, you won’t see many as good as this. I’ve been watching the game since about ‘78 when I went to my first game with dad at Chester RUFC on the NW of England. You don’t see many sides with this many generational talents in it. 👌

[@mrmola3295]

Jack morgan was an absolute rock. Currently only him, maybe lake and wainwright would make a lions squad. You cant blame gatland, even jesus couldnt perform a miracle with this team. I have hopes for a few of the youngsters like winnett and grady. But that takes time. Winning is a habit and with our regions losing almost every week, none of these players know how victory tastes. A weak pack, no ball carriers, no imagination at 9 and 10 and a back line that is so lightweight, our problems are endless at the moment. Sad times. But as a proud welshman, we will continue to support our boys whatever happens.

[@tonycollins2708]

I was pleasantly surprised, I thought it would be a lot worse, 👍🏻to Costello whilst he was on , And again plenty of strong performances 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿😘

[@jamesgill9223]

Are you kidding lol Costellow was so bad, panics under pressure took one nice high ball, missed kicks and multiple missed tackles Come on the guys was so bad like the whole team

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

I agree Ton. Thought he was half decent when he was on. Lots of his kicks were contestable too

[@Brucemcleod2345]

I thought Wales were in for a shellacking but wasn’t as bad as I thought. Please you aren’t on medication. I still think Gatland needs to go as he is out of ideas. Wales needs some easy games against Portugal and Uruguay to get their confidence back as they have some good youngsters. South Africa are monsters and are well ahead of the rest. NZL, France and Ireland are fighting it out and next tier back are Argentina, England, Scotland and Australia which will be the game of the weekend. Australia were in the same position as Wales but have recovered thanks to Joe Schmidt. That’s the level Wales should be aiming at. I feel the Fiji game was the one Wales needed to win for confidence. Good luck against Italy in the 6 nations

[@levigriffiths8213]

Tbh Portugal would probs give wales a game at this point.

[@StopTheRot]

Most importantly, we need Howley to go. Then: My choice for a starting XXIII against France: 1. Smith 2. Lake 3. Henry Thomas 4. Jenkins 5. Thomas 6. Botham 7. Morgan 8. Wainwright 9. Tomos 10. Edwards 11. Grady 12. James 13. Page 14. Dyer 15. Rogers 16. Dee 17. Thomas 18. Griffin 19. Tshiunza 20. Fender 21. Reffell 22. Bevan 23. Llewellyn/Hathaway

[@sachinbangaru737]

No Basham?

[@levigriffiths8213]

Cam winnett definitely starts at 15

[@biltong5]

Mate!! I came away from this positive about Wales. Courage in abundance...& I loved that last try... Respect.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Courage and heart was great but 45-12 is not good enough in my opinion

[@worldchampions4379]

A glorious defeat?? Celebrating mediocrity is taking the first step towards ordinariness

[@biltong5]

@@worldchampions4379 No glory in defeat. However, the embers of something more was evident. There is mongrel to be seen. Mediocrity? Mate? You ever play rugger? I think Etzebeth had more caps than the team. This was more about green than mediocre. It was quite the case of men v boys... Look at the very same Boks in '17/'18, Look at the numbers THEY shipped...against any & all comers...& they had better (the SAME!) stock... Cycles...

[@darencartwright5912]

Well you said my fear that we could lose by as much as 70 to 80 points creased you up , when you read it.Luckily the second half of the game became fragmented which suited Wales, and we end up with a "respectable" 45-12 loss, I would have taken that beforehand, Wales players to their credit never stopped trying ,and as you said South Africa never hit their game today . I understand the WRU AGM is coming up, but it will be like how politics is run these days, when their found out, statements are made that "lessons will be learnt", and then the circus goes on in the same manner, maybe with a token resignation to appease the public. Nobody is better at sticking there heads in the sand than the WRU !.

[@richarddykes8550]

though we comprehensively lost I felt positive after the game. Since Gatland came in there has been a great deal of switching players, players playing in positions that they do not play for their clubs etc, but yesterday I got a sense that they now have some cohesion to build upon. Kolisi as always was very gracious in the interview post match and said some encouraging things about the Welsh performance. I want Gatland to stay because he now has a backbone ovf a squad he can develop.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

That’s fair. I still think there was a lot of issues particularly the defence in the back line. I don’t think Gats is the right guy to take us forward now but I think they’ll keep him non the less. Hopefully I’m wrong

[@pitaberaciri8366]

Hear the pain an passion in your voice my mate keep faith keep heart Wales the tide will change have faith Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

I hope so mate. I’m fed up of this 😂

[@benw9427]

English fan here and enjoying the content! The players never gave up and credit it to them for that but they were always going to struggle so the result isn’t necessarily that important. Welsh rugby needs a complete reset and although I love beating yous on a regular, the six nations and world rugby is better with a strong Welsh side so hopefully that reset can start and develop soon.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Love the positive comment with the little dog built in 😂👏🏼 Nah thanks mate. Was always going to be a tough one. Let’s just hope that this is rock bottom now 🙏🏼 Thanks for the support 👍🏼

[@andrewd762]

I thought Wales played as well as could be expected for a team that was under enormous pressure. They showed some pride and limited the damage which is all that could be expected under the circumstances. Wales performance didn't make me sad, the fact the Bokke didn't play their best game also didn't make me sad. What did hit me hard is you not seeing any way forward and being resigned to the future being no better. If the Wallabies can pull themselves up after their devastating performance at the world cup and many months afterwards why can't Wales?

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeah that’s what made me sad too and also, the sheer acceptance that this is how things are now also made me very sad. What has happened to us 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@andrewd762]

@TheWelshSportsPodcast Nah c'mon, you've got no right to be that down. If I was a Wales fan I would definitely see that game as a promising sign; they were physical, they had a game plan which they looked comfortable with and it was working for them in more areas than not even against the highest ranked team in the world. From what I saw if Wales always played like this they wouldn't be considered a great side but they would have a pretty decent winning percentage.

[@garethdavies4515]

Jack and dewi just need to build a team around them quietly

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

100%

[@thomashen3394]

The anthem was one of the most rousing I’ve ever heard - the passion in the fans and the players is tangible, and I think it translated to a heroic effort on the pitch. This team’s time will come.

[@justinthomas6942]

I'll give Gatland the 6 Nations to turn it around. One thing he definitely needs to stop is kicking possession away constantly , I get it we don't want to be under pressure in our own half, but these top teams counterattack with ball in hand and we pay the price, we look half decent in attack but we need to keep the possession. Freddie Thomas looked good he's a big lad and weren't afraid to get stuck in. In regards to the 10 jersey Costellow just doesn't seem there yet. we need Jarrod Evans as our other option. My team for the 6 Nations 1 - G.Thomas 2 - D. Lake 3 - H.Thomas 4 - D.Jenkins 5 - F. Thomas 6 - J. Botham 7 - J. Morgan 8 - M.Morris 9 - R.Williams 10 - J. Evans 11 - R.Dyer 12 - K.Williams 13 - E.James. 14 - . B.Hathaway 15 - T. Rodgers Bulk them up. Whip them hard Shaun Edwards style. They seem to be going soft.

[@IronCurtainTwitcher]

at least Gats looks how we feel, I don't think I could take some smiley faced up beat personality as coach with these scorelines

[@leighmorgan]

I understand the calls for Gatlands head but the issues run far deeper. Who’s to say another coach would get a tune out of them. Who would also want the job. Steve Tandy has been thrown around a bit. He’s done a good job overall with Scotland’s defence . But head coach material ? Nothing against him as a player but the Ospreys parted ways with him. If he got the Welsh job that would sum up Welsh rugby.

[@rhysjones9870]

Positives are Morgan, Lake and Botham have all performed well this autumn. When Jenkins is back it will be interesting who gets the captaincy, i personally think Morgan should have it back but we have 3 great options now. Seriously need to cap Tom Botha just to steady that scrum and try and build something around it, bring in Morris and Ratti as carrying options, Ratti should be in ahead of Tchuinza and Plumtree for me much more abrasive and powerful second row/6 option and We need an 8 and Morris is the only specialist in Wales at that position.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Ratti would interest me. Can’t see morris making an impact if I’m totally honest but he at least deserves a chance doesn’t he

[@rhysjones9870]

@TheWelshSportsPodcast I think Morris has to be given a chance at least, simply as an extra ball carrier. Him, Morgan and Wainwright back at 6 could be a decent backrow if he can step up.

[@mikeclements4548]

Loads of potential in this young team. Try at the end showed grit and determination. Give them time to get used to pressure, intensity, occasion and I’m sure Wales will be back where they belong - let’s get behind Gats and this team while they build.

[@AndreRees]

The team may be young but they are not good enough for top level international rugby. Doesn’t matter who coaches them. They will lose.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

A young team with lots of promise yes but are they going to develop into a bunch of top quality players? I’m not as sure

[@AndreRees]

@ no is the answer.

[@fazeobama6606]

some solid performance from costelow before he went of, Botham and morgan but it was all individuals and we didn't function as a team at all wich after being together for over a month now would sort of expect from them.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeh agree. Though Sam was decent today and the flankers were top class to be fair

[@malibongwemalinga8871]

There were some great individual performances from Wales this match

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Jac Morgan and Botham were excellent

[@rabbitss11]

It was one of those games where Wales were beaten before the game even started, Jack Morgan's a great player, start there and build again

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeah Jac was immense. A real hero out there yesterday

[@rabbitss11]

@@TheWelshSportsPodcast oh yeah, Jac not Jack! Thanks

[@TheBuildKingR]

South Africa didn't take this game seriously. They didn't play their usual game and just wanted to run the ball and in a sense have fun whilst trying new things.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeah certainly felt that way. They did the boys a favour at times 😂

[@jaynelouise1969]

Unfortunately, grassroots rugby is dying, my local teams used to have 2 teams, now they struggle to put 1 team out, this is endemic across South Wales ( Don't know enough about North Wales rugby ) Something has to change, i just don't think anyone in The WRU has the answer either, which is quite worrying... Sorry to sound so negative, but it's really hard to find any positives atm...

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Completely agree don’t worry 😂

[@jiffy23]

Not disappointed today, the result in Ireland showed where Fiji are at and what a disaster that match was, the run of defeats should have ended there. This autumn has shown that the regions need scraping.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

It’s hard to work out what the answer is I’m afraid. Whatever is going on now certainly isn’t

[@jiffy23]

@TheWelshSportsPodcast What's the point of the regions? Are they attracting and entertaining fans? No. Are they viable financially? No. Are they developing youth? No. Are they supplying the national team with players who are capable of playing international rugby? Absolutely not.

[@shaun30-3-mg9zs]

Hi Christian, We give it what we can, but south Africa played a good game, they out played us. As a new team with not may caps in the team this team is going to take a good year or so to get back to start winning games we need more experience and we don't have it now as the best have left us, this is our best team now. This is no fault of Warren Gatland and the coaching this team of ours need to start to gel together. Personally I don't wan't Warren to go his is a good coach, I'm with them with the winning and i'm here for the when we losing, i'm not a fan who's with them when we are winning and then start slating them we were losing, don't get wrong i'm gutted, we don't go out there to lose a game we give it what we can and at the moment its not good enough we are playing against top teams who have plenty of experience. If Warren does go who will replace him, and who will want the job it isn't going to change the situation. I think Warren Gatland is the man for the job, just my thought. As always a good rugby review, catch you soon Take care

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Thanks Shaun. Yeah Warren has been a great coach but I do think his time has come. I don’t know who can come in to replace him but I think this squad needs a new voice and some new ideas. Hope you’re keeping well pal 👍🏼

[@shaun30-3-mg9zs]

@@TheWelshSportsPodcast Hi Christian I'm doing fine, thanks mate. If Warren does go I don't think Michael Checker is the man and definitely not Eddie Jones, take care

[@adam6869]

I don't feel as annoyed as I did v Aus and Im not sure why 😅

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

More expectation that this game was going to be a shit show beforehand 😂

[@saturdayplayer2492]

This is an issue which is far deeper than the senior national side. The base of the pyramid is too small. How many small clubs have folded?

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeah was deeper. No idea what the answer is. Hopefully the new SRC we’ll help develop players to a higher standard

[@davzinzan]

Whole management needs to go starting with Gatland

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeah and his bosses too

[@levigriffiths8213]

Really not sure where we go from here. I know a lot of people are commending the effort but that’s something I’d expect when you’ve taken a battering in div 4 east? Surely commitment is the minimum standard for professional players playing for their country. The boks looked like they were barely out of 1st gear and had another 3/4 levels to go to if they wanted. Feel like that Italy away game in the six nations is going to be a real pressure cooker. If we lose that and have another six nations whitewash

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

I completely agree loads of comments saying there proud of the boys but being proud of a 40pt drumming is just not where my heads at tbh

[@geoffhogan4831]

Wales should bring in Jacques Nienaber and Felix Jones....

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

I would be open to that 👌🏼

[@peterlangan1181]

In 2018 the Boks were awful a complete disaster area, in 2019 they lifted the World Cup. Granted a much bigger talent pool. Things can be turned around but Wales have a small pool to select from so that is limiting. I felt sorry for Gatland he was on a hiding to nothing and he knew it. Wales had heart and kept trying and you learn a lot more from failure than from victory. In a year or two these same guys will be doing a lot better.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Cheer Pete. Yeah I hope so. Let’s hope this is rock bottom and we can bounce back pretty quick

[@mhoppy6639]

Hello again. I don’t think you guys did too badly. There _were_ some silly errors: the 3x taking man in the air was unreal. Once, yes, twice maybe but a third? Morgan was great, lake tried his best as well. Morgan will be a Lion - possibly Lake as well. We need a strong Wales because the best Lions squads always have a nucleus of Celts. Ireland looks like it’s going to dominate the squad and that’s not entirely positive. (See 2005 England) I think Wales will always front up against us (England) so it’s not the end of the world. At least you haven’t got Borthwick. 😂 😉 Thank you.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Thank you my friend. Great to see you back on the channel. I’m really hoping this is rock bottom and we can bounce back. Nothing but respect for you guys

[@jacoblewis8999]

Excellent video! Loved the thoughts on gatland. I think he probably will go but is it really his fault? Regions no money no nothing. How can we get money into the game at all levels to catch up with other nations like Ireland etc??

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

No idea Jake. The whole game is a mess. WRU posted a loss of 7 million this year on 100 mill turn over. The game in wales is broken

[@jacoblewis8999]

@@TheWelshSportsPodcast oh my. It can be turned around I have faith!

[@thehum1000]

First half was a nightmare, boks got bored after 25 minutes, i couldnt watch all the game ive given up lol

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeah I feel your pain. I just have a sense of acceptance with it atm which isn’t good 🥹

[@danieledwards6974]

Thought Morgan & Botham were by far our best players today. The basic errors weren’t great (lost count of the number of line outs lost in their 22). Doesn’t seem to be a definite style of play, then again when you are struggling to get ball time not much you can do on the front foot. I’m not looking forward to the 6 nations, another wooden 🥄 looking likely currently

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeah me either. 6N is going to be painful 😬

[@thottobot7444]

I think attack and defense coaches are deffo the ones who need to go. Howley in particular is doing an atrocious job-our only attack is jut kicking the ball high. And Ryan Elias needs to be banned from the national team

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

😂😂😂 Agree with all the above

[@jaynelouise1969]

Surely, players should have lots of regional experience before being selected to represent their country, its clear to see that some players just aren't at the international level, it's quite surprising how quick we've fallen down the world rankings, and how many points we ship... Very depressing...

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeah it’s all happened very quick hasn’t it. Let’s hope this is rock bottom 😬

[@dylanhall6263]

God bless wales it’s so sad to us play like this and we have the french away first game of 6 nations I think it’s the wooden spoon for us 😢

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Me too. Italy will be a real arm wrestle for a W

[@olibedford]

I can’t really see the merit of Gatland moving upstairs. I think his time has been and gone and he should just be let go. I know we’re poor but still can’t understand how a few guys in form at the regions continue to get overlooked when we have been so poor for long. If you play your best players and they’re not good enough, fine. But when players are judged as not good enough when never given a chance whilst other players are constantly under performing, I think it’s unforgivable. I’m pretty sure if Gatland does stay, he has no idea his starting 15 for the six nations. Full back will probably be Liam Williams because he’s still miles better then anyone else. Wingers aren’t nailed on, centres aren’t nailed on (didn’t rate Thomas or Llewelyn this autumn), fly half is still an ageing Anscombe. 9 still Tomas. Botham seems to have played his way in on merit to a back row with Jac and Aaron. Second row Beard and another (Rowlands was poor). Loose heads were ok, Dewi was good and poor Archie just got a wake up call. I think we need Henry Thomas in the 23 at tight head.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeah, I think it’s time for him to leave. I don’t see him being able to freshen things up by the six Nations and I think we could be staring down the barrel of another white wash. The only reason I would be happy to see him stay is if the WRU intend to get rid of him come six nations but want to give themselves a few months to actually do their job and find a suitable long-term replacement

[@ElfedMorris-z3j]

This is not a cycle Wales are going through but a malaise decades in the making.

[@cianlewis-hughes5172]

Shane Lewis-Hughes big physical defensive player would’ve helped a lot, Jake Ball get him from Japan back in there could’ve done with him, Taine Basham attacking back row he would’ve helped. There’s a lot of overhyped jobs in there not going to mention them would be too brutal but I think if we use our brain we would see some in there who shouldn’t be in there

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

SLH should have been in the squad but I think Botham was superb. Ball retired this month so he’s out of the question

[@jaynelouise1969]

SLH is playing great for The Dragons so far this season, clearly the selectors aren't picking on form...

[@clivesilver463]

Felt so sorry for Archie Griffin who had to walk off in front of thousands of people in the ground and millions watching having just been smashed in the scrum and clean lifted off his feet, his day will come but that will scar him for a while. Jac Morgan and Botham were fantastic and its such a shame the pack around them are not up to standard, I know there's a call for gats to step down, and a new coach may freshen things up but the system to produce enough quality players is not there, our front five lake aside is not good enough no decent no8, it always starts upfront and our scrum and line out both turned to mush. I don't know were we go from here, I don't think anybody does, we must get the right foundation in place to improve rugby matters across the board, and I'm not convinced we have the ability to do that , why is it that when players come into camp their fitness and conditioning is not up to standard, why is it Gatland then has to try to get the fitness levels up, why aren't the regions doing that, there seems to be a total disconnect between the regions and Wales when one should be hand in glove. I'm afraid that we have become minnows in the rugby world and where will the next win come from, because its impossible to see how.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeah I agree about the fitness Clive. It’s should be a given at this standard. No sure what the excuse is for that tbh. No idea what the answer is moving forward, I do think getting someone in to replace Gats is a potential start but who would come in and help things I don’t know 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@sachinbangaru737]

Lake can’t carry this pack… huge fan of Archie. #Cymru #GoBokke ii feel like if you neutralise the Bok pack your in with a shout. No one has done it yet. Cool Funkos btw.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Ha cheers dude. I’ve got to many now. Need to get rid of some of the less cool ones #manchildgoals 😂

[@hughwilliams3037]

Gats needs to go. He has lost the dressing room

[@shaheempashua6924]

As a South African can't wait to see you guys bounce back there's a lot of young players coming through Every side goes through these periods What you guys need is better management There has to be a change in the coaching and probably a lot of the support staff I personally believe the players are there to compete and perform better if lead and coached better

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Thank you mate. I think you’re spot on. It’s just tough atm. Always love the camaraderie between our teams and fans though, you guys are awesome 🇿🇦

[@shaheempashua6924]

@TheWelshSportsPodcast I couldn't agree more For me rugby should always be the winner and the catalyst for bringing people together

[@yddraigoch]

the riddance should begin with the WRU itself, it's whole entity tbh - they have been killing the game since the early 1980's mun. Still amateurs in the 'professional' game " druan arnom bois bach " Gatland is hampered by the W.. R FFycin U mun 🤬 forwards coach Humph - bring back Mc Bryde for a start

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Hard to argue with that my friend

[@suqmadiq2550]

The fuck was up with their kit. jesus. Should've just abandoned the game once they pitched up in those ugly jerseys. That was the most embarrassing thing of the game. Those welsh lads held their own physically against a mean bok machine. In a few years Wales could be world beaters.... just need experience and some fine tuning. Wales for World Cup Champs in 2027.... lets start the campaign now

[@nigel8484]

What you're crazy😅 that kit is fire.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Nah I agree. I don’t like this kit. I thought last years kit was way nicer

[@barrysmith7291]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@robday3968]

We have always underperformed when playing in these stupid away kits, at home!! Remember the "gold" - yellow kit? Jesus christ what a lash up.

[@nicholaswoodward8191]

I dont think Gatland is the Issue Wales has a young side, a small pool of players to choose from. I think they need time to build. A few weeks ago lots were wring Australia off. My 5c of input. Cheers from Cape town.

[@shaun30-3-mg9zs]

I Agree, it's not Warren Gatland, it is a new young team, it will take us a while

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

I don’t think he’s the sole issue but I don’t think he’s part of the solution unfortunately

[@matthewharries5895]

I feel it’s an unfair assessment of Ben Thomas. It’s his what 6th cap and his 3rd start at 12 for Wales. Give him time. International level defence at 12 is extremely hard. He got caught making the wrong read and that made him look not physically capable of being a 12 at this level because he had to make desperate tackles. Like with the entire team he needs time. He’s being developed at international level

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

I take your point. If you watch my my videos I love Ben Thomas. Always praise him. I want him to do well just felt he’s been bellow his high standards that all

[@mahlanguism]

It sounds a bit condescending from a South African… like a big brother patting you on the back for trying… but I thought that Wales showed the one things that can’t be coached- heart/pride. With this in place, Wales can be back to parity within a year.

[@ElfedMorris-z3j]

I thought the Aussies played better rugby against Wales than the Boks did.

[@hyllaf]

IFW, Page and Carre could of all played for Wales

[@ElfedMorris-z3j]

Make our school children play rugby.Kids in New Zealand and S.Africa have to play rugby and they do as they're told.

[@jerrybuirski2344]

In South African primary schools the kids play barefoot. I remember many cold mornings when the grass was white with frost and our footsteps gradually filled up the field. Up on the highveld the grass are brown in winter and the fields as hard as concrete. By the time we got to high school most of us had already at least three years of rugby behind us.

[@simonmorgan225]

Disagree on new coach, bring someone in for only a year so there's no real pressure on them. I don't think are issues are tactical more mental. Beg Mike Ruddock to come back he could convince miss piggy she's missing world 😂

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

😂 I just think there needs to be some long term thinking for a change to turn this mess around

[@iestynjones523]

Best Welsh team going towards 6N. 1. N. Smith 2. D. Lake 3. T. Francis (cap rule) 4. T. Plumtree 5. D. Jenkins 6. A. Wainwright 7. J. Morgan 8. M. Morris 9. R. M- Williams 10. O. Williams 11. K. Giles 12. J. Hawkins (cap rule) 13. O. Watkins 14. M. Grady 15. L. Williams (cap rule) 16. E. Dee / S. parry 17. G. Thomas 18. S. Thomas 19. T. Williams / A. Beard 20. J. Botham 21. K. Hardy / T. Williams 22. S. Davies (cap rule) 23. J. Hathaway / T. Rogers Players I’d bring for experience or future prospects 1. K. Mathias 2. E. Lloyd 3. 3. D. Lewis 4. B. Carter / J. Fender 5. F. Thomas 6. A. Mann 7. H. S- Deaves 8. M. Morse 9. E. Bevan 10. D. Edwards / I. Lloyd 11. R. Grace / J. Adams 12. E. James / M Llewellyn 13. M. Page / L. Hennessey 14. O. Lane / T. Cabango 15. J. Beetham Hopefully Scrap 25 cap rule. Sack Defensive and attack coach. Or bring in new coaches all together. Probably T. Booth of Ospreys being the best option. Players who need to move on from the team - W. Rowlands no impact and more exciting players in his position. - S. Costelow, better form and just play time at scarlets. - C. Tshuinza needs to find his best position. Is he a 4,5,6, or 7? - G. Anscombe is he the future with his injury record and age? Love him as a player but maybe time to move on? - R. Dyer leave the dragons for a better club. Needs a win, plus probably better players in his position. - R. Elias fourth choice hooker needs dropping. - B Murray season or 2 for the scarlets. Too small atm, better as a fullback rather than winger. - C. Winnett great going forward, improve Defensive ability. - A. Griffin needs to play more at club level. Experience. - K. Assiratti Just not good enough for international rugby. - T. Reffell needs improvement with going forward, also too much competition for role. - R. Williams good player on his day. No Future for Wales though. - N. Tomkins Why in the team? - B. Thomas might be better as a 10 for Wales. Can’t defend physically however. Can’t play 12 for wales.

[@robday3968]

Couldn't agree more.

[@l8on17]

Pretty sure Gats was winless with the chiefs. Keep Gats but as director of Wales Rugby, then appoint a new coach who can make changes quick “Michael Cheika” we need a coach who can get the lads to play an expansive game, that’s what will suit us rather than Warrenball. Then maybe even get Nigel walker out and get Sam Warburton in who is aligned to the modern game much better than Nigel as much as he’s trying his best I think he’s disconnected and not really respected either

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Interesting idea I wouldn’t be opposed to it. To be honest, I don’t know what the answer is so it’s worth giving something a try

[@westy8065]

Morning Christian, seems to me that the players have gone downhill since they phased out central contracts

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

That’s an interesting point actually. I think it’s all linked with the lack of investments from the WRU. Just not been good enough has it

[@westy8065]

@TheWelshSportsPodcast yes mate which was why they stopped it, as they wanted the regions to have all players available all of the time, contracted players could only play about 12 games a season, if I remember correctly, for their regions!

[@pamgeorge8523]

What are they wearing where are the red jerseys

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Trying to make a few shirt sales 😂

[@SixBells]

its for people who are colour blind apparently

[@outbackspaceradio8416]

Wales rugby is a cash cow when the results are coming in even people who don’t follow rugby get into it out buying pints and merch etc the WRU would do well to remember that and invest in the regions and grassroots it’s time for a complete overhaul and start from zero

[@robday3968]

Wales should never, ever concede wearing the red shirt at home. Ever. Regardless of the reason.

[@hyllaf]

sorry, dont know your name? Are you Gatland in or out? (yep, more to it than that)

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

I’m Gats out I think. You? My names Christian btw

[@hyllaf]

@@TheWelshSportsPodcast I'm definetly Gatland out.

[@howardjones1180]

Gatland (and his coaching team) have to go, the cap rule has to go, and we need a total reset on who gets selected to play for this team - without all of the current prejudices and limitations.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

I think the coaching team needs a change. Sounds like he wants to stay though. Not sure the WRU will pay him out of his contract

[@howardjones1180]

Shame. I reckon Gatland’s selections are holding the team back. So no doubt that a change of coaching staff would help with both defence and attack, I want to see a fresh approach to selection that doesn’t have Gatland’s predetermined ideas.

[@hughreynolds6183]

They never gave up but...basic fitness is the responsibility of the individual...managed by the region. If your not fit enough you don't deserve the salary. Fitness is the most basic requirement to do your job. Time with the region and with the national team can then concentrate on team skills. Our front five need to go back to school. None of them make even a metre after first contact and none of them even present the ball within 3 seconds so we will never get fast rucks, which means the opposition will always be aligned and our backs cannot attack without kicking. To sum up the players who don't meet the fitness requirements should be named because there is no other form of jeopardy in the Welsh structure.

[@jiffy23]

It's down to the regions to install a culture where being nothing other than 100% is acceptable. There is a huge gap by the u20's.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Fitness lays with the individual but the regions need to shoulder some of that blame. The whole state of affairs just isn’t right atm. Not sure what the answer is tbh

[@jiffy23]

@TheWelshSportsPodcast I'm surprised to hear you say that fitness is the responsibility of the individual. It's hard to imagine this being the case at a Premier League football club, for example.

[@jaynelouise1969]

I think you meant "Superlatives" re Jack Morgan...

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼

[@hughreynolds6183]

Probably Dewi is nearly fit enough and stands out, shaming the others.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Jac Morgan too

[@jiffy23]

Botham too.

[@designmanagementconsultanc4143]

They did look alot let athletic and fit

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeah way off the pace really

[@garethdavies4515]

I’m one of wales biggest critic but we are where we are just need to get behind them I think turn a negative into a positive eventually I hope 👍 😢

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeah spot on mate. Let’s hope that this is Rockbottom 😬

[@barrysmith7291]

Cap ruling as to go before the six nations 🤷

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

I don’t think that solves much if I’m honest. Maybe Hawkins and Jonah homes. I can’t see them fixing all the issues we have

[@kevlewis8257]

Lake missed 2 lineouts Elias 1. Thought you took notes

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Evidently not as keen as you

[@BunyipToldMe]

When your first try is scored by someone called Dai O'rhia, you know you're the shittest team.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

😂😂

[@alistairreed3514]

do you support aninatalist ideology

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

No idea what that is

[@isitwasit8756]

Its an absolute shambles and i do feel so sorry for the boys on the pitch.. but the reality is wales are a million miles away from where they were not that long ago.. defence is an absolute shambles at times and in attack wales just look so one dimensional.. after watching ireland against fiji some of the moves ire put together was brilliant.. its not just the players.. for me the coaching staff have got to be changed cos theres just nothing on show for me from wales on the pitch when in possession..

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeah, a million miles away is the perfect way to explain it

[@leighmorgan]

I understand the calls for Gatlands head but the issues run far deeper. Who’s to say another coach would get a tune out of them. Who would also want the job. Steve Tandy has been thrown around a bit. He’s done a good job overall with Scotland’s defence . But head coach material ? Nothing against him as a player but the Ospreys parted ways with him. If he got the Welsh job that would sum up Welsh rugby.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeah I’ve heard his name fly around. Could be a good appointment but as you said his ospreys tenure wasn’t great. It’s a shambles mate. No idea what the answer is tbh