Reacting to “Anti-Anti-MLM” Propaganda (Imbosslee & NSSG) | Part 2

[@theantibot]

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[@courtneyst.julian8192]

Love your content! Keep up the good work!!

[@tonyalongi4409]

"Everyone that's not successful is either a bad person or not a hard-worker." Amazing how much of MLM philosophy is repackaged Prosperity Gospel nonsense.

[@calonstanni]

indeed!

[@kathryngeeslin9509]

Even more is phrased in traditional "Christian-speak", and it is at least implied by some herbal mlms that they are Christian in nature.

[@atrain84]

So damn true! I used to tell my Christian friend all the time, bad things don’t happen to you cuz you sin or Jesus is making you pay. Going to church more often isn’t going to fix it. Annoying more and more friends isn’t going to make your MLM work. I fucking hate religion and MLMs. That my opinion.

[@srlane17]

PREACH!!!!!

[@phoebestone1694]

Patriarchy(you can have it all.from. home.)and capitalism(you just have to work hard, pull your boot straps up!) 😅

[@rachels2568]

How can they say with a straight face "you get paid for the exact amount of work that you do" when you quite literally do not AT ALL.

[@catherinedean3796]

They’ve said it so many times they’re numb

[@RLBM89]

Hey Colleen! If I have someone come work for me for only 2 weeks and then they quit, they still get paid for those 2 weeks.

[@catherinedean3796]

I once worked a job for 3 hours and walked out when I got talked to wrong (it was a bridging minimum wage job while I was looking). It may have only been $25, but I got paid for those 3 hours!

[@beckys2825]

If a nurse or other medical professional refuses to abide by well established medical procedures (we all know she's talking about vaccination), they SHOULD lose their job. I would not trust them to properly treat me or anyone I even remotely care about.

[@Travelling_with_my_dog]

exactly; when I go into a clinic or hospital, I want to have faith that everyone who takes care of me follows the science, and has been vaccinated.

[@winterinbloom]

Personally I wouldn't be such an ass that I would automatically say a nurse who hasn't had a certain vaccination should lose their job. My life was ruined at the age of 17 when I had a flu vaccine and it caused autoimmune issues which make my life a pain and exhaustion filled hell. I do not want to risk another reaction that might me so sick I can't get out of bed at all anymore. I would understand if a nurse also had autoimmune issues due to vaccinations and didn't want to, say, have a yearly flu shot.

[@helenr4300]

And there were regular testing options for those refusing the injection, but refusing both tells me they have no sense of medical science

[@SavMarie]

Every thing they complain about with like, teachers and nurses and their wages like... YEAH JESSIE WE AGREE WITH YOU. We just think the solution lies on a systemic level, and YOU just think an we need to do is recruit each other in MLMs... fix the system, it's the root of the entire problem, including why MLMs operate the way they do in this country in the first place 🤦‍♀️

[@angelwarren1994]

The part were she was talking about the $600 dollar a year got me. I'm dyslexic and absolutely terrible at math and I could do the math she was trying to do before she even finished her sentence. I think she realized it added up to $50 dollars a month and didn't want to finish because most MLMs require $100 dollars a month minimum and it didn't fit her narrative.

[@josephinehenry8236]

Ha ha exactly!!

[@bak1223]

"Everything in your life is a direct reflection of how you are living your life." Cool cool, I'll just tell that to my disability that I was born with. I'll tell that to the broken elevators, and so now I can't get to the subway station, or upstairs to the doctor's office. I'll tell that to the bathroom stall that isn't wide enough for me to get into. I'll tell that to the two stairs leading into the restaurant, and now the hostess who can't find their mobile ramp. I guess I'm the one that made all this happen just by being born! Thanks bossbabes, you make me feel so good!

[@helenr4300]

You so clearly highlight the rubbish In their so called argument. It is total garbage. Whether it is physical barriers, or social economics, access to different layers of education and opportunities.... It is the same. Our potential economically and socially is due to multiple different aspects, and personal chose is the tiniest of these.

[@sarahfromtexas]

So much of this video is just Jessi not knowing how the world works. I bought non slip shoes to wait tables for $28 from Walmart in 2018. I've never paid for an apron or order book. I don't know a single nurse who works at Home Depot. My friends that are nurses just pick up extra shifts.

[@kathryngeeslin9509]

If something is not for me it's not for "everyone", I am someone, so it might be for *"everyone else"* but not for everyone. And disagreements are not hate. Repetitive complaints of people talking "about me" do not show one's unconcern about the talking. Jessi does not come across as someone who has successfully completed many classes in communication, psychology, or sales. Or economics.

[@Elizardbeth03]

When I started my first job my boss paid for my uniform including shoes (as they should) but even when I bought extras the most I paid for any item was $20 and I was there through 2023. My whole first uniform was maybe 15-20% of my first paycheck. Start costs for real entry level jobs are significantly less than any mlm startup costs I've ever seen.

[@jes-in-HR]

I love your videos. As an experienced HR professional, I have some thoughts. 1. Work expenses that the employer doesn't pay for, like non-slip shoes, licenses, and uniforms, are tax deductible. The reason employers don't pay for them is because you can take them with you when you leave. 2. Student loan debt - if you have federal loans when you die and no one cosigned, those loans DIE WITH YOU. Navient or the DoE can't come after your family for them. 3. Why aren't they worried about living wages overall instead of pimping their pyramid scheme? 4. In one's lifetime, if someone has a college degree, they'll earn on average $2.8 million versus $1.2 million with just a HS diploma. Even with the debt, the income potential is real. I'd love to talk about the HR/legal implications of MLMs if you'd enjoy that! Great content as usual!

[@theantibot]

Thank you so much for this! These are all great points! Yeah, MLMs from legal/HR perspective sounds like an interesting video idea!

[@vincentcomeau7844]

Glad you called out them saying they don't watch anti-mlm videos, but they think they know exactly what is being said about mlm's.

[@DeannaJacksonDJsDelectables]

They're even bigger haters than any of us who are anti-MLM. Also, I agree with many commenters that these MLM peddlers tend to be incredibly sexist and misogynistic, while simultaneously claiming to "empowering". This business model is garbage.

[@phoebestone1694]

All “successful” mlmers I know have husbands that make more than most double income households. It’s easy to “hustle” when you don’t have to worry about paying the bills.

[@ats-nj5hr]

Can I just say that you're one of my favorite KZbinrs. Your opinions are always so measured and well thought out, and you present them in such a calm, easy-to-understand manner while still being entertaining. Like, I love the memes at the start of the videos! Thank you for putting in all the effort that you do. I truly believe you're doing something important here.

[@theantibot]

That’s very sweet of you to say! Thank you so much!

[@adodge231]

@the antibot I am a third grade teacher. And yes, we do have to pay for our licenses and some school things BUT I have paid time off, a regular salary, and benefits and insurance. And I don’t have to recruit to get my money.

[@palomam5152]

I hated when they talked about receiving criticism/hate as a good thing (without hearing the validity of those criticisms), because they are indirectly sending their subordinates to receive that same level of hate, and it is a dangerous thing for those who are in difficult situations. We are talking about people who already have a complex economic situation, who through these "sales tactics" are increasingly isolated from all the people to whom they want to sell their "products", and they were also sending them to the line of fire like it's a good thing?

[@elise12345]

"you'll share your wordle" lolol I mean yeah because I'm a person who enjoys things and shared experiences with friends. I'm not selling wordle!

[@Clarytee217]

Them going off like this on the Anti-MLM community should be a major red flag to anyone who thinks about joining MLM. What's going to happen if you join their teams and you ever dare to disagree with them, especially on something major? They are being nasty and hateful here and clearly manipulative. It doesn't speak to their ability to have constructive conversation and manage criticism like adults.

[@Annie_Annie__]

Exactly. If you post on Facebook or Instagram that you got vaccinated or got your kid vaccinated, you’re getting slammed. Admit that you take prescription meds daily? They’ll make a live about how a person can’t be successful if you don’t truly have faith in the product, the company, and in God. And they’ll probably drop strong hints as to who you are by saying your profession/former profession, what the meds are for, etc. Very strong vibes of “you’re either with us or against us.”

[@elise12345]

Unless someone cosigned private student loans for you or took out a parent plus loan, the student loans absolutely do discharge upon your death.

[@zapkvr]

Thanks for the correction. I'm from Australia and I could not believe what she said was true.

[@Internettrolloftheyear]

@@zapkvr Your financial debt is your responsibility. It doesn't make sense at all.

[@edgybarbie77]

💯

[@sekhmet34]

Excellent critique. I agree with everything you both said. I was particularly struck by the whataboutery too. Right, $3 an hour is pathetic and it's appalling that employers can force employees to buy their own uniform. Why aren't these women campaigning for a liveable minimum wage, promoting the hospitality workers' union if there is one, and advocating publicly funded higher education if that's such a concern? Do they? It seems they're quite happy for these problems to exist because they can exploit them for recruitment.

[@McrganConner]

The level of effort and sophistication that you put into your arguments is unmatched. I love your videos and the intelligence you share with us!

[@PercivalHoward]

They speak as though the answer to the economic woes of the US is for people to join an MLM!

[@Squishymoth]

I feel that there IS some discussion of MLM that is motivated by sexism or misogyny, but that does not discount any and all critique made about MLMs. The business model is still a scam.

[@Squishymoth]

And at the same time these two women, and many other MLM companies, and those affiliated with them, spout the most misogynist stereotypes while taking advantage of the women they claim to empower. -_-

[@elise12345]

In my medium cost of living city, nurses get paid starting at almost $50k to work day shifts for 36hr/week. And you can be a nurse with only a bachelor's degree. I don't think any of that is a scam! I know dozens of nurses and none of them work a second job. You can get $10k starting bonuses right now as a nurse! Plus, like, I have to dress in business wear for my job and don't get paid for that, so why would nurses not have to pay for the clothes they wear at their job? All of those expenses are normal and not a scam.

[@Internettrolloftheyear]

you buy 3-5 pairs of scrubs and you are set for life. they are extremely durable compared to regular clothing. My scrubs are still brand new after a year of use.

[@calonstanni]

And as a nurse, you don't have to scam your friends!

[@khill8645]

The whole "thanks for the exposure...I really hope they don't stop" felt like badly-done reverse psychology, like the kind you'd see on a sitcom where someone later complains their blatant, obvious attempts at mental manipulations didn't work and made the problem worse.

[@ErinBies]

The office clip at the beginning = 🤌🏽🤌🏽🤌🏽🤌🏽

[@littlelostlia1540]

i LOVE these long videos. wouldn't be able to watch this mlm stuff without your commentary 😫 and it's lovely to see more of drew because of the rare uploads to his channel 🌞

[@PercivalHoward]

Great video series. Thanks guys! MLM companies exploit vulnerable women and then shame them for "failing" in a rigged pyramid system. We need to address the reason WHY women are drawn to MLM companies. I think it is because they are underpaid, and the role of "mother" is critically undervalued by society. In calling anti-MLMers "anti-women", Jessie Lee and Colleen are seriously projecting.

[@peaceskid]

You can smell their cognitive dissonance. I’m subscribed to you and Drew, both of you are very precise and informative

[@awijntje14]

Been looking forward to this second part. Also love "knowing better" he makes some great videos.. As to this video I'm always so amazed at how they can just gloss over all the evidence and information that tells us people are more likely to loose money than make money. Hannah Alonzo (another anti-mlm channel I love watching) often just shows the income statements immediately debunking any "you can make it big" fairytale.. Also finding Tony Robinson inspirational sounds extremely worrying and both munecat and "cruel world happy mind" have made some great videos on these toxic self-help gurus. Joshua Fluke is doing some excellent work on toxic company culture that (to me as an European) seems to partially explain why so many people hate their 9 to 5 which is another interesting synaptic in the mlm pitches. As a last point of interest I'd point to the video made by second thought called "America compared: why other countries treat their people so much better" Keep up the great work (both of you)!!

[@louisng114]

Do you know that Drew did the voiceover in KB's videos on Scientology?

[@awijntje14]

@louisng114 now you mention it, the voice did sound familiar hahahaha

[@zapkvr]

Income disparity breeds the discontent which is the feeding ground for mlm. Its why you don't see much of it in civilised countries. You know the US has 20% of all the world's prisoners?

[@awijntje14]

@Immanuel Kahn I was aware that the US prison system was one of the largest (go capitalism!!) In the world but not to that extent thank you for pointing that out!

[@wrmsnicket]

With the non-slip shoes, it’s not even a matter of breaking even. Because if you work for a restaurant and they require non-slip shoes, you don’t buy the shoes *from that restaurant.* Some work places provide you with stuff and make take some money out of your paycheck to cover that. Some don’t. But no normal workplace has you buy necessary products from them. Some warehouses and stuff have a canteen, but you’re also able to bring your own lunch and stuff. MLMs are the only places that require you to buy product from them. That’s not some shoes from Walmart. That is product from the company you “work for.” Big difference.

[@kerynl.sanchez9891]

Thank goodness I have an allergy to ANYTHING that looks and feel cultish. Thank you for bringing awareness about the MLM industry and the toxicity around it.

[@zapkvr]

If your antagonists are saying they don't understand what their critics' problem is it just shows they haven't made any attempt to understand the position. The proponents of MLM know precisely what the criticism is. And they deliberately ignore what the criticism is. So they do know.

[@mattdrat3087]

Thanks for two very interesting videos about this obvious scam. You are so right, and they are so wrong. Both of you are so obviously compassionate people whilst they are either very ignorant or totally capable of either lying to themselves and/or everyone else that I feel sorry for them. Or rather, I would feel sorry for them if what they are engaged in wasn't so harmful to so many.

[@cuzned1375]

27:10 “I’m clearly not a medical professional, so i have no idea. But that _sounds_ legit.”

[@Chepecafeteria]

I was involved with a pyramid scheme only because I liked a the girl that invited me. That pyramid scheme company gave links to sell products on your name. But the buyer had the option to buy without entering my, like 20 digit, referral number for the same price. Obviously nobody would enter the referral codes, so we would never receive our 10% 😂😂

[@dexaria]

I'm a teacher. Yes there are lots of things wrong with my profession but I am offended that these two clowns think that that's any argument for mlm.

[@InThisEssayIWill...]

"Mlm's fixed my childhood trauma" is a hell of a take .. also as a rebuttal to her assertion that"you don't get that at a (9-5) job!" I would say.. actually I have health insurance that covers my therapy... Sooo. Yes yes I do get that from my job.

[@MundMoriginal]

You are right about man and woman's roles in scam business. Google knows I'm male, and I watch anti MLM videos. 9 out of 10 scam ads, is a man, trying to sell me on crypto and nft scams, or coaching scams (you know, someone telling you how he got rich and made others rich... by teaching them how to coach others into becoming a coach that teaches how to become rich...). Anyways, the woman I get, confuse me with my wife, who sometimes uses my pc where I'm locked in, so I get diet pill ads, or health training scamd. I love the ones that are just a script, read by a computer program. Really sells the seriousness of the scam.

[@amandamc.6200]

As for the RN comments from those two, college in the US is def a broken and corrupt system, but I'm not sure why people are 100K in debt for nursing school. They must've gone to an unnecessarily expensive college, or dinked around with pre-req's too long before committing to nursing. I'm

[@Skull_Tree]

Where are people working as a nurse (I’m talking plain old RN because that’s what most people think of when you say nurse) that they’re paying $600 a year to renew their license?! I pay $50 every 2 years. I don’t pay for any CPR, ACLS, or PALS training. Yes I pay for my scrubs, but doesn’t everyone pay for work their cloths? Plus I get shift differentials, bonuses, gift cards, discounts at local businesses, health insurance, and retirement. Oh and I DID NOT pay $100,000 for school.

[@ambds1975]

Oh my God, nurses get such a raw deal. And they didn't even touch on how nurses only make half pay unless they recruit their patients to be nurses too!

[@christinepiette2849]

😂😂😂

[@lizziec4408]

I'd rather get a pizza party and minimum wage over working in an mlm

[@LilyMunsterMum]

I love how professionally you present empirical data so my overall thought on this is a little disappointing because I want to add something intelligent but all I can say is those two give me the heebie jeebies. I was trying to focus on the smart stuff but them and their Coraline other mother vibes are just so creepy.

[@zapkvr]

To be fair Taylah only refers to one study and I dont know how reliable it is. Also this study has not been replicated to my knowledge. If the income figures of these MLM were accurate you'd imagine they would be pleased for the scrutiny.

[@azuradawn5683]

@@zapkvr While Taylor only referenced one study in this video, the income disclosure statements from tons of MLMs support the fact that under 1% of people involved in MLMs make money. (She's referenced these in a bunch of other videos.) If you just google "what percentage of MLM make money" you'll see a range of numbers - all of them are very low. If you don't like the one study Taylor mentioned, that's fine, there's plenty of other data out there saying the same thing. Most people involved in MLMs do not make tons of money - the VAST majority either lose money or make under a few thousand a year. Truth In Advertising, the FTC, and a ton of other reputable sources will tell you this - I highly suggest you go read some of them!

[@gypsieladie]

They're talking about feel nurses pay to stay current...yet ignoring that their customers ARE their downline. You're recruited to recruit. You sell the opportunity...but you actually buy the product. Monthly. Recruit. Rinse. Repeat.

[@megnichlemons]

I like hearing both of your points of view. It's elliquently put together and I always appreciate the honesty.

[@calonstanni]

They are a really good team!

[@InThisEssayIWill...]

The shoe company is "shoes for crews" and the bigger restaurant chains at least provide your first pair free.(and one pair a year after that) if you want an additional pair(or one of the cooler styles) it comes out in instalment payments from your paycheck...

[@InThisEssayIWill...]

For reference, I do believe she and I are approximately the same age and this is from my first job experience with McDonald's ALSO in Maryland!

[@DoctorUltraviolence]

Their arguments reminds me of when women bring up sexism and get met with "oh but women in Saudi Arabia have it so much worse". It's a diversion.

[@hypefine]

If BossLee is so knowledgeable and self-educated, then why hasn’t she started her own Fortune 500? Could it be that she has No Tangible skills or knowledge other than fast talking and entertain-scamming ? She has all the earmarks of a good con artist.

[@jonathanstern5537]

I'm currently on dialysis due to a birth defect. I try to eat right, exercise, get enough sleep, etc. So, how is the dialysis a reflection of that?

[@JuiceChic26]

Great video! For those of you who are educator’s, there are student loan forgiveness programs offered by the broad of education and certain states. And nurse can make very good income and are not limited to working for one medical institution. On average registered nurses make $77k, nurse practitioners $111k, midwife $108k, and traveling nurses on average can make much more. Definitely beats joining an MLM!

[@ImaginaryMdA]

Everything they say about MLMs can also be said about buying lottery tickets as a business.

[@PlusSe7en]

I swear im just obsessed with the way that gms and you talk.. i could listen to you both for hours

[@meepmeepinton]

I'm training to be a psychiatric nurse in the UK. We do risk assessments, one of the sections covers vulnerability/exploitation. If someone told me their part of an MLM id put high vulnerability, and that they're in a MLM in bold, underline, size 20 red font.

[@helenr4300]

As fellow Brit, my impression is that our mlm levels are much lower than the US context. I have a theory that having accessible health services (despite the limits) means that the random health claims are less powerful, so reduces the mlm spread in UK

[@pookieandfluffernutter]

Love watcging you two together. Great video. I like how calm & well thought out you guys are

[@tonichan89]

These bossbabes seem to be missing the point that they, the sellers, are the real customers... and that's the problem.

[@brittneybabeee4031]

I always wonder what these people would do if they were asked to be an actress/actor in their favorite tv show but were then told they’d have to pay $100+ just to audition for the show. Would they catch the scam? If they did, how would they find it different than what they already do? 🙄

[@jeremyblade7561]

McDonald's actually had non slip shoe covers and provided the full uniform when I worked there. If you didn't have money they would set you up. Still had to buy my own lunch, but at 50% off.

[@vagabondsentinel]

When a person dies, their debts are still owed - by their estate, not by their family. The family is not responsible to pay the debts from their own money in the vast majority of situations. And student debt, specifically, DOES vanish upon your death. This is just straight up factually false, at least in the US.

[@insultcomicbarbie]

I was about to comment the same thing. Unless your family co signed on a loan with you, they can tell the loan company to pound sand. Which is something these huns might know if they had any life experience beyond harassing high school classmates on Facebook.

[@Picklesbunny]

Im always curious about how the MLMs deal with rival MLMs. Especially since they often sell the same type of stuff. Do they compete with each other between companies?

[@CountryBwoy]

Every ad that has played while I'm watching this (and the first part) has been an MLM type of commercial! It's like all the religious ads I get when I watch atheist channels.

[@obiwanpez]

27:45 - As a teacher, most of the time either you can write-off your licensure fees OR your district will pay them for you. The first is not ideal, but is better than nothing.

[@TwoMonkeysInATrenchcoat]

Mary Kay tried to recruit me when they knew I was living in a homeless shelter. I was 19. They made me feel bad about not joining. They guaranteed I would succeed and make enough money to buy a home in a year.

[@helenr4300]

Yikes

[@fantasticmio]

I had no idea that my chronic pain was due to me being a bad person. Thank you Bosslee!

[@sasamafrass]

So these ladies recognize that teachers don't get paid enough but are HAPPY to come in and swoop up the rest of the little money the teachers have 🤔🧐

[@wize1nz]

This nurse who paid about $2000 a year for 3 years says,'It's a scam. " It seems to be common for obscene prices at private for profit colleges

[@lorielovesbooks7315]

As a teacher, I don't need ScammerLee's help. I choose what I spend my money on and if I want to buy all the children I teach books, or to buy classroom supplies, that is my choice. Also, I can tax deduct some expenses too.

[@jazzpear8877]

"I found a new crew to recruit from" Wow. Just wow.

[@Travelling_with_my_dog]

I worked for a pizza restaurant and then at a deli when I was in college; both places supplied our shirts and aprons (and we wore our own black pants).

[@josephinehenry8236]

Hang on, so with that ‘aunt Susan’ example she went on about how she might have ‘word vomited’ for 2 weeks and not been successful because she hadn’t yet had the ‘personal development training’ or learned the business skills or whatever to effectively impact potential customers… so HOW COME THEY RECRUIT PEOPLE SAYING ‘ANYONE CAN DO THIS!!’ Like if they were honest & ethical when they first recruit you, they would make it CLEAR that without specific training etc you’re not likely to be successful, at least for a few weeks/months/ years.. (not that the stupid ‘training’ would be of much use anyway) omg they are so smug & arrogant but their arguments are seriously ridiculous!! 🙈

[@montanahelton1272]

I have friends who work for Prüvit. They tried to recruit me, I even went on a trip to a seminar type thing with a friend. They don’t even promote the drink for it’s health benefits as much as they promote a different lifestyle and happiness. The whole time they had inspirational speakers and put on this really positive show…nothing to do with the product. The product is called ketones and it basically puts you into ketoses (supposedly) without having to go on to the keto diet. They’re tag line is “drink vs diet.” It’s worth noting that no one who drinks ketones and gets results like weight loss and more energy does it without changing their eating habits and they all go To the gym or start an exercise program as well. It’s like this happy happy club you join and everyone’s best friends who happen to drink this drink that has changed their lives! Lol it’s crazy…I have drank the drink and I admit the ones with caffeine give me energy and I like that but other than that I think it’s a pretty good scam. Mainly a scam because it is really expensive… and the benefits don’t add up with the cost.

[@fantasticmio]

The only job I've ever had that required me to buy something before working there was safety shoes for working in an appliance factory. I made back what I spent on the shoes in less than a day.

[@dontblinkweddings9306]

What are they even selling? Went to their Instagram and all I see is them complaining about haters. What company is this?

[@AndRew-vo9bz]

No slip shoes are ppe (personal protective equipment) by law (atleast in uk) has to be provided by your company even down to shoes... (I'm in a trade industry) companies will provided boots or give an allowance to buy your own. Even down to winter wear if your in a job where you work outside alot.. Fleeces, jumpers, coats etc all provided.

[@amandamandamands]

In Australia you have to buy shoes yourself but it is tax deductable, other uniform parts it depends on the company, some will provide them others you need to buy them.

[@nadirku]

for some of the stuff about "haters never being bigger than you", and "under the bridge trolls" for some reason people like Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Tucker Carlson came to mind as counter examples of "trolls/bullies punching down"... but is that just me?

[@disneyjenni]

Ooooh new subbie here. So glad I found you guys. You both made such great facts & points!!! 💜

[@theantibot]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@markrose2565]

For all the issues with higher education affordability, a college graduate is way more likely to (at least) break even than an MLM person

[@JoeBurgettMusic]

The idea of getting all mad about doctors or nurses buying a stethoscope is hilarious. Talk to anyone in that field. You buy your own for a good damn reason. It isn't because of some random, crazy hospital not wanting to provide them. You buy one because you need to find the best one for you, because they are damn sure not a "one-size-fits-all" type of thing

[@obiwanpez]

48:00 - "...I haven't watched a minute of their videos." "Shouldn't you be watching our videos to know what our arguments are...?" Me: YES! As if they would ever do their research.

[@helenr4300]

Strange world that assumes everyone on social media is plugging brands. I have never (knowingly) shared anything that is also saleable to others. I have posted a couple of bargain hails from thrift stores, but hardly replicatable.

[@JoeFromDetroit]

Ah, @16:15 I'm calling BS!! 80 dollars for no-slip shoes what, 20 years ago? My work boots now cost 160 and last three years. Oh, BTW, am I listening to a pro-mlm call or a Flat Earth video, because it sounds the same to me.

[@heather2185]

The problem with people is that we can be very manipulative without knowing it.

[@deniseeickmeyer1221]

The marketing of MLMs is focusing on getting more consultants and a making a portion of your income. The difference is are you focusing selling product or are you more focused on trying to get more consultants so that they help you with earning more money? BIG DIFFERENCE!!

[@cateharding]

I enjoy videos with both of you

[@heather2185]

Re: echo chambers and blinders. Sounds like the Mormons, they’re specifically instructed not to read or listen to critiques of the religion, and Utah is one, if not the, states with the most MLM headquarters and members.

[@StrangeLittlePoet123]

There’s an automated ad for an mlm in this video for me.

[@AChickandaDuck]

Office clip at beginning = instant Like 🤣

[@catherinedean3796]

1. It’s just funny how Colleen looks more and more like she regrets doing this bc JLW won’t shut up lol 2. I could not imagine making my job, even if I loved it and loved all my coworkers, my whole identity 3. “Dr” JLW doesn’t even know the basics of psychology, like citing sources and journals? 4. Hey JLW, is this an interview or a team training you’re doing on live? Seriously, I can’t get over how she kept talking over Colleen 5. I love love love how she referred to nurses and teachers as the people who ACTUALLY make an impact. But... I thought... these guys made the impact on people? So which is it?

[@bl3524]

She was successful in an MLM because she’s a narcissist. The best leaders are those who don’t want that leadership. The quiet lady??? What’s up with her? Also, in Europe we have free education founded by the state, and public pensions and healthcare (in my country they are trying to privatise it, but we still have it). This is the answer for better working conditions (since you have the basics covered, you can choose and refuse shitty jobs, and companies are forced to make the conditions better): welfare state and socialism

[@amandamc.6200]

I really feel like this IG Live wasn't about a collaboration between two pro-MLMers, but about BossLee wanting a "yes ma'am" that happens to have a following listen to her in front of Lee's following. It's pretty pathetic to watch. And I'm not super familiar with either of their individual work (by choice) only heard of them via reputation.

[@theantibot]

Definitely agree with that! Bosslee did like 95% of the talking, while NSSG sat and said “yup” to everything.

[@Sarah_b_curiouser]

If you work a real job for "only" two weeks you're going to get a PAYCHECK. Work an MLM for only 2 weeks and you're going to be out money

[@justinsantana6517]

Just gonna say... When i started working at Burger King in 1997ish Min wedge in Cali was 4.25 an hour. So her making 3.75 us aligned with what the min was in the country at the time.

[@krystalmcnemar5303]

Some of the products are great! And really there is no different than sharing a link from Amazon. Why is it ok that Amazon can sell you; but not buy products from your friend… it’s so dumb to poop on people who love their products.

[@joesquadcoptervideos2067]

I just looked up the average pay for nurses. In PA where I live, your first two years, your average is $42/hr and goes over $50 within 10 years. I think paying $250 every so often is a drop in the bucket

[@JayMaverick]

As an affiliate marketer - I drop links to products I actually use and find valuable. My audience would run away if I promoted products that weren't valuable to my audience.

[@DjurrenArt]

Part 2 of MLM Recruiters Going Big Mad. Popcorn is ready.

[@ImJustJ.]

10:47 That sounds like Scientology to me...

[@thomasstone3480]

i feel like this sometimes lets the original people go on too long before interjecting, like their points mostly aren't particularly good or coherent but i wind up spending a lot of time getting my blood angried up before any counterpoints are made, and it feels like some of the original speakers' more repetitive shit could be cut out without losing the thread of the argument

[@amandamandamands]

I think they kept the whole thing in because one of the comments in the video was that people critiquing them just take snippets and when people are watching the whole they form a different opinion. Taylor and Drew watched the whole thing so that argument was voided.

[@Joshth1983]

Well if this is a hate video I got totally the wrong feeling from it. I feel like people cared enough about me and the public to inform us about these kinds of organizations.

[@stepaukob]

Nursing degree at my community college costed me less than 10k and I made 56k working 32 hours week my first year 15 years ago. I was debt free when I graduated too through grants and working.

[@debbiefuller3667]

Great video, and Puggles makes an excellent outro!