Reacting to England's defeat to Australia & Ben Stokes' heroics | Second Test | Ashes 2023

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[@worker-wf2em]

A lot of people talking about the ‘spirit’ of the game as a coping mechanism for a spectacular lack of game awareness by a batsman who made a village grade blooper. The irony being Bairstow, and just about every other keeper in cricket history, has attempted the exact same thing. Bairstow embarrassed himself and the English cricket team have followed suit with their whinging.

[@stevet9938]

💯

[@maxshiraz3447]

Yes, Bairstow essentially got himself out via carelessness. No-one to blame but himself.

[@pauldoherty6413]

Well said

[@shaynelucas3899]

Perfectly said

[@lapalad]

Absolutely I remember Dean Jones being caught on a no ball v West Indies and walking as he hadn't heard the call and was run out. There was no outrage from Australia and captain Alan Border even said it was part of the game.

[@jseden1]

Both gentlemen had good, unbiased takes. Starc and Bairstow know the rules. Need to be more switched on.

[@StuTheDon17]

Hahah I'm not sure Starc did know that rule

[@tin-n-tan]

​@@StuTheDon17I'm not too sure anyone did.

[@archiefox1414]

Starc’s disallowed catch wasn’t in the spirit of the game as much as the run out of Bairstow.

[@tm8844]

​@@tin-n-tanI learned that ruled the day I saw what happened. I've been watching cricket for years and didn't know that was a rule

[@tin-n-tan]

@@tm8844 he could have thrown it behind him and it would have stood. That catch was so clean. The ball didn't move a mm.

[@nipunaddd]

They also need to talk about Australia winning without Lyon. Great effort

[@kinchegayowie6167]

spot on champ

[@deepanshujoshi7708]

Australia just mind their business 😎

[@ebisu8824]

They did talk about it

[@ice4142]

Bad look for cricket to 'force' injured players to play

[@yahyakrisna2358]

Yeah and they need a bo oh of wat a

[@danielrichardson3613]

Stay in your crease. Johnny was happy to try it on Marnus. Baz was happy to do it to Murali. They can shove their warm beer where it fits.

[@wadeh7254]

Bairstow tried the same tactic against Labuschagne two days ago - only he failed to hit the stumps. Hypocrisy at its finest.

[@bensmith6400]

Completely different. One standing outside his crease in the middle of the over the other tapped his bat to mark the end of the over and walks to speak to his partner

[@markjones464]

@bensmith6400 No Nobby it the same Rule if the Aussie had been run out , I Would been Disappointed 😞 but the Aussie batman would be out end of story . It shows you how poor Airstow is, He could Not hit the wicket when he tried ,Just a poor Cricket player Ps, can you see Alan Knott giving his wicket Away like that , not with that Brilliant eyes He had , and what Brilliant soft Gloves he Had , I as a Aussie cannot believe he stop Up to underwood , and still had the best Ratio of the least bye let through Marshy was a Good Keeper to Fast Bowlers , But Knotty was best at standing Up on the wicket

[@ggvv6533]

The obvious question is what England would have done if it was Smith instead of bairstow Then again it's foolish to think bairstow would collect the ball in the first place let alone hitting the stumps

[@Gtiles]

Brutal 😂

[@aman-2392]

Then ppl start appreciating his decision and called it he only thinks about winning which is good for the team apart from this bairstow did the same things to warner and smith and ppl who are not happy about the spirit of the game they should consider the audience behavior too they're booing aussies from the start and I'm satisfied with the result this is good slap to those toxic ppl.

[@JackBarrBaxter]

Stokes has said he wouldn't have appealed so there's your answer.

[@ggvv6533]

@@JackBarrBaxter how about withdrawing the 4 runs that came of his bat when he wasn't batting eh?

[@watkinsrory]

@@JackBarrBaxter Is it really the answer ? How do we know what he would have done ? Because of his word ?

[@MrOx85]

"Dozey" from Johnny is correct.That would happen in junior cricket, the crowd carrying on is very embarrassing.

[@zigzag8949]

Junior cricketers are not that stupid

[@allanbriggs807]

@@zigzag8949 Correct.

[@Gordo3958]

As an Englishman, even I would question Stuart Broad spouting on to Carey regarding the ‘Spirit of Cricket’. I seem to recall Broad in the 2013 Ashes series at Trent Bridge, standing his ground after he had clearly played a thick edge for a catch - he even admitted it later. Broad never short of gamesmanship himself.

[@glen8461]

Bairstow can't be much of a keeper for England if he doesn't have an attitude of always wanting and trying to get the batter out , a quality Carey has in abundance. What a silly boy to walk out of his crease , this is eliminated from from your game in U12 cricket, but he's doing it in Test Cricket. The Aussies have done their homework on this bloke I'd think.

[@chadchadderton]

funny thing is, bairstow actually tried to get a wicket in the same exact was as carey... he tried multiple times against multiple different batsmen this test. he's just that junk of a glovemen that he missed the stumps.

[@jamesthereaper7]

If Carey's throw missed the stumps and it went to the boundary, it would be overthrows. I can assure you that England would not be asking the umpires to remove the runs from their score.

[@midyouthcrisis420]

Yep. And If it deflected off the stumps and he was in his crease they would've taken runs off it.

[@rightlyso2941]

Very good point, no one has raised that.

[@satanicmc]

Nice one.. Bro u summed up the English hypocrisy

[@pistolpetenaki]

Well obviously you never been a keeper or played cricket ..your comment is irrelevant as that would never happen ..he threw the ball with his gloves on lol

[@ivaerz4977]

@@midyouthcrisis420 didn't that happen in world cup final and it was Ben stokes who did that.

[@mikem668]

I'm an outsider, but what great Test matches. An affirmation of Test match cricket. I lived in London one summer before I understood the game, though I watched it, and in Sydney for a year and a half, including during England's Ashes Tour. I loved the Barmy Army, but England got thrashed. Would have loved to watch these Tests in their entirety, not just on ball by ball texts or highlights. Cricket is a better game than baseball under rule changes and analytics IMO. It's become boring. Cricket's nuance and stamina are amazing to watch over the long five day arc. No endless substitutions, virtually everyone plays a complete game. I hope they don't ruin it. Well done both sides.

[@flamingfrancis]

Why the need to even critique baseball. It is obvious you do not realise the impact of baseball skills and techniques into the game of cricket especially since the inception of the T20 game. Baseball techniques and science started with Australian Captain and Coach Simpson in the 1960's and the employment of a former MLB coach as the Australian National Baeball coach and then Cricket Australia fielding coach is the very edivence of this. That coach has since been employed by the IPL, the BCCI and then the ECB. If you go and witness any warmups priot to most international cricket gmes you will see this but there is no way you will see the opposite.

[@Fro19]

But the real question is; as a neutral and someone relatively new to the game, what do you make of the Bairstow run out? Its divided opinions throughout the world

[@iankearns774]

@@flamingfrancis Yeah and thats about the only aspect that Baseball has imparted on cricket I reckon apart from slogging in T20. Mike Young did improve our fielding and throwing but you have to remember the Chappells in particular Ian played a lot of Baseball as did Alan Border. They are two very different sports, Packers breakaway from tradition with the WSC caused a lot more professionalism and improved fitness levels to creep in to the sport. Having a durry and can of beer after a game at that level became a frowned on thing in Australian teams in the late 80's and gradually spread to other countries.Its fully professional now, even in park cricket the best teams take it very seriously. One club I know has gone teatotal which sucks after a game when you want a beer.

[@iankearns774]

@@Fro19 Out, every day of the week. As for sportsmanship I wonder would Stokes have claimed the Labauschagne wicket if Bairstow had hit the stumps instead of missing on day 3? And perhaps Carey on seeing Bairstow attempting that took the chance against him because he actually attempted that. A side I played aginst once run an extra run after I fielded a ball and instead of returning it to the keeper and end the play threw it back to the bowler who missed the catch and it went behind him. I couldn't believe they did that at the time but its in the rules.

[@mikem668]

@@Fro19 I probably misspoke. I've been watching cricket since 2000, and read a fair amount about it. But my experience is crammed into one Ashes Tour in Australia plus the World Cup they won in South Africa. And I paid for another in the West Indies, watching from the US. Nasser was the captain of the Ashes Tour, and I think he's a great commentor. But I also got to hear a lot of Richie Benard. That said, compared to a cricket fan in a cricketing nation, I'm an amateur. Especially since I don't keep up with it like I do the World Cup in soccer. I've only met one guy in the US that liked cricket. An Indian working at a store. I'm also an Australian fan, so I'm only relatively neutral. So, to your question. I was convinced by two things. I thought the keeper caught the ball and launched it at the stumps in one motion. Which is supposedly basic cricket AFAIK. Also the umpires and the commentators (English, too) thought it was the correct call. So the question for me is how can something within the laws of the game, be outside the spirit. So much of cricket seems about nuances, and often the players aren't sure what happened. I think it's hard to know if they even know what happened, when they are arguing a call. I was in Australia during the chucking controversy, when Muri was challenging Warne's record. That was a little over my head. Did he cheat? Got me, but AFAIK his records still stand. All that said, I do prefer games that have an ethos or spirit. So pre-technology I think it was a great ethos when batsmen walked. Not sure I ever saw it, though. I'm just not sure in professional sports that exists. You'd know better than I whether it ever existed in cricket at the professional level. My reading cast doubt that it did. Writers have even questioned W. E. Grace. I don't know if that's true or just revisionist history. Another example, goalies come off their line during penalty shootouts. Though FIFA tried to crackdown on it. I was a keeper. I think it's cheating. When I play games myself, I want to play with people who do abide by the spirit. Winning isn't that important to me. For example, in tennis I've always tried to call the lines accurately. If I'm not sure, I give my opponent the point. Sometimes, however, I will call my own shot out if the opponent calls it in, when I have a better view. And they've returned the favor. The only examples I can think of in professional sports or games occurred in golf and chess. In golf, IIRC Jack Nicklaus conceded a short putt because of the spirit of the game. Sounds odd, and I forget the exact circumstances, but I think it was a British golfer in the UK. In chess, lots of players don't start their opponent's clocks immediately when their opponents are late. In another chess example, I knew an old guy who lost a game in 10 moves. He was a fairly strong player, just old, a died not long after. He apologized to his opponent for not giving him an interesting game. He loved the game so much, it wasn't the loss, but the inability to provide a competitive experience for his opponent. Neither England nor Australia have to worry about that in these matches.

[@fahadrehman9647]

1st and 2nd both tests were worth watching. Good vibes!

[@lynxfl]

The second test was anything but good vibes at the end

[@Felixshor3]

Don’t win series on good vibes though

[@rowand2405]

There's nothing entertaining or 'good vibey' about defeat.

[@mtsardar]

No substitute for Test cricket 🏏

[@fahadrehman9647]

I meant good vibes cz it bought back memories of how 2005/2009 ashes series was played and the time i spent watching that series. Since the amir/asif incident and ipl fixing suspicion; cricket died for me and everything seemed fixed.

[@joey_888_]

Spirit of the game - Bairstow tried the exact same move on Labuschagne on day 3 😅 Australia has been the far more consistent team amongst batters and bowlers Bazball not working against the Aussies

[@AsadAli-jc5tg]

What's Bazball?

[@bradmenpes809]

That's the real issue. People thought the Aussies would be smashed by Bazball and now England are 0 and 2.

[@deadpool5423]

Aussies thoroughly deserves to win this match. they batted, bowled in tougher conditions and lost their most important bowler with more than 2 days remaining, England showed great fight too but better side won the match.

[@saurabhb1041]

Stokes and Duckett showed fight. Rest of England have been very very poor. Their bowling is so flat.

[@ryanwebb5082]

Lyon isn't their most important bowler.

[@sagarbanik159]

@@ryanwebb5082 LYON is actually their most important bowler on the 5th day. He brings control from one end

[@Deadlyspark]

@@sagarbanik159 not to mention rest for the fast bowlers! Their tanks must've been on fumes at the end!

[@earlofamsterdam4831]

Lol gtp favour Australia make a comment

[@robspunk]

Eoin Morgan (as an Aussie) is always honest. He doesn't let his emotions or patriotism get in the way of his comments. Some Sky guys do and the media in the UK are monsters to the Australia team.

[@phil6815]

Patriotism he is a turncoat Irish man who captained England shame on him

[@fabriccouch]

That is because as an Irishman he has been persecuted by this society of vermin for centuries

[@pistolpetenaki]

Really you have must have a short memory..us kiwis had to put up with your Australian one eye biased commentators for 40 years .. classic example is the under arm accident.. bill lawery who was the commentator at the time said it was bit disappointing lol .. f me .. I could go and on about your biased Australia media .. especially in cricket ..just stop it

[@davidprosser457]

@@fabriccouchquite true, similar to wat the indigenous folk are experiencing initially by the above mentioned, now by its new inhabitants.

[@shaunstelfox1718]

Emotions and patriotism getting in the way cough cough KP

[@frogwood1713]

About the first time I've heard Strauss say something I agreed with. Absolutely fine dismissal, he threw the ball straight away

[@tomd4690]

it's not about the throw - Carey is well entitled to do that - it's about Cummins and his opportunity afterwards to decide whether they want to take a wicket that way or not. look at the Dhoni / Bell scenario. in both cases the batsmen could have been more careful, no doubt, but in both cases the opposing captains also had the opportunity to make it right. Dhoni showed true leadership, Cummins showed a greedy win-at-all-costs mentality that has turned a lot of people against him.

[@Dirtyoyster]

@@tomd4690 well Strauss must be a flog then too. He said he wouldn’t of withdrawn it?

[@tomd4690]

@@Dirtyoyster agreed

[@iankearns774]

@@tomd4690 You are a deer with no eyes.

[@adacoo1046]

@@tomd4690no one like Cummins in Australia?? 😂😂

[@NishantSharma-vf2wd]

I think Jonny Bairstow's dismissal was fair because Alex Carey did not really wait for Bairstow to leave the crease 5 seconds after the over was completed, he almost immediately after collecting threw the ball towards the stumps like many wicketkeepers naturally do and also Jonny had been taking a few steps after every ball in that over before his dismissal ball so it was Johnny's casual approach that should be questioned not Alex Carey or Australia's who did not really have a plan that they will get him out like this.

[@colinvannbohemen11]

An excellent point NishantSharma!

[@wwjd3000]

Let's talk about 'the spirit of the game' when Joe Root refuses to walk when he knows he's caught out

[@chadchadderton]

or when joe root catches marnus but the ball actually hits the ground. it's almost like the english aren't aware that their own players are capable (and have done so) of cheating.

[@stevenskliros9608]

Or karate kid-Broad who hit it to first slip and didn't walk either

[@silviodante3950]

Sandpaper

[@stevenskliros9608]

@@silviodante3950 Mentos, dirt in pockets, bottle caps, Bodyline, pitch doctoring

[@silviodante3950]

@@stevenskliros9608 hahaha sandpaper

[@awinbisa]

Spirit of cricket means losing gracefully. Australia were the better team. England bowlers largely absent in first innings alllowed Australia to create a lead too big to chase. England top order swinging wildly against short ball instead of getting themselves in. That’s the reason England lost. Well played Australian , let’s hope the third year is as entertaining!

[@Sothpawman]

England won the toss, had the better conditions to bowl and bat in, and they didn't have to contend with arguably the best spinner in the world on a day five wicket. and they STILL lost. let that sink in.

[@pistolpetenaki]

Well are you sure that was the only reason why they lost ..nothing to do with winning in the toss with the ball swinging the whole day and only taking 4 wickets .. or the dropped catches .. or bern 181 for one in the first innings with Australia down a bowler ..

[@jamesthereaper7]

How ironic that England are crying about a technicality, but also have a World Cup trophy because of one.

[@patrickminahan8644]

They're what's commonly called fans, all One eyed fans are the same

[@pistolpetenaki]

Well actually that a big different as the World Cup was sign off by all the other teams on deciding the World Cup rules on tie the breaker .. in this case they never broke the rules or made up the rule Australia

[@chadchadderton]

@@pistolpetenaki both sides in this ashes series agreed to the laws they're playing under champ. why do you think bairstow tried to run out/stump multiple aussies the exact same way this test?

[@tomd4690]

@@chadchadderton you're comparing apples and pears champ. most of the time that quick underarm at the stumps from the keeper is because the batsman is well out of his ground trying to gain an advantage. completely different scenario here

[@tomd4690]

@@chadchadderton I'm not debating Carey's throw. my point is that there was no intention of gaining an advantage, so it was a dog act. if the shoe was on the other foot you would be very sour, I can assure you

[@neilhayes288]

Just watched the vision of Bairstow doing the exact same thing to Marnus on day 3. Untidy word starting with H comes to mind here.

[@davidgraham8299]

Go ahead and say it.

[@sportmaster2586]

Surely Foakes should come in for Bairstow. Carey showed what a good glovesman can bring to a team. Bairstow will just be unlucky because of the emergence of Brook.

[@joebob2311productions]

​@@StopTheRotStokes opening and captaining and throwing in a few overs here and there is way too heavy a workload

[@chrisschultz1]

Yeah, Crawley complacency then he makes 3... not a fan

[@meetube30]

You mean woakes, foakes, Stokes, or other folks??!!

[@RohanKumar-vu8mm]

That's not a bad shout, foakes is way better with the gloved, but Bairstow's x factor keeping him in the side.

[@simonoliver8576]

Well he won't be pal trust me they will be stubborn and still stick with bairstow imo unfortunately 🤣 I mean let's not forget when England went on this great run under stokes and mccullum before the ashes bairstow was actually injured brook took his place and foakes was the keeper so why change that ie foakes I don't get it personally? 🤣 ok by all means play bairstow as a batsman and leave someone else out possibly brook I mean I like bairstow don't get me wrong but the best wicket keeper in England is foakes period so why he ain't the keeper in this ashes series is beyond me really to be honest 🤣🤣

[@andrewrowe528]

Some people have short memories. Both Bairstow and McCullum have done exactly the same thing while Broad refused to walk in 2013 after being caught at first slip.

[@marshallmay2528]

And McCullum has since said it was wrong.

[@Nawanda]

Lord's last summer's NZ tour of England....double standard and short memory of the England players, media and supporters. "De Grandhomme’s run-out sparked a startling collapse from the Black Caps in their second innings. Coming to the crease after the dismissal of century-maker Daryl Mitchell with the tourists 251-5, de Grandhomme was struck on the pad by a delivery from Stuart Broad which prompted a loud lbw appeal. Umpire Rod Tucker ruled the NZ batter not out but de Grandhomme had left his crease as he looked to see what the decision was, and Ollie Pope quickly grabbed the ball which had run towards the slips and threw down the wickets at the batter’s end. De Grandhomme was out of his ground, with confirmation from the TV umpire, meaning NZ had lost two wickets in as many balls." England went on to win the test. So, Mr Stokes..why didn't you rescind that appeal???

[@musickiwi900]

That was different CDG was looking for a run Blairstow wasn't... I still think it was fair each time tho

[@spy2236]

Spirit of cricket wasn't in question in 2019 wc final.

[@natty187]

With stokes? He said he didnt want those runs, but they were awarded to him. Nowt he could do about that

[@siddheshk6943]

Spirit of Cricket wasn't there when Pope ran out DeGrandhomme last year vs NZ and it was Broad who was the bowler and most vociferous with the appeal. And don't compare it with run out at non striker end ( I won't call it Mankad, it's insulting to a legend), that's a different case as batsman gains undue advantage breaking the fable 'spirit of cricket' in the first place.

[@msmith4253]

Completely different scenarios... DeGrandhomme runs out his crease looking for a run and while watching to see if the umpire gives him out is slow to return. He was run out while trying to run. Bairstow was run out while walking to the middle to chat with stokes at the end of the over, when both umpires have also started walking.

[@SS-yr3ij]

@@msmith4253even village cricketers have better awareness than gingerbread

[@wwjd3000]

​@msmith4253 completely different, except for the fact they were both stupidly out of their crease and got punished. Tough luck

[@usmanakhtar1845]

Don't forget what McCullum did to Murali in 2006.

[@Scooty_Scooty]

A better example is Bairstow actually trying it himself during this test. It's in the spirit of the game when Bairstow tries and fails but outside the spirit of the game when it's tried against him and works. Hypocritical stand by Baz and his Bazboys

[@rahulmenon4557]

Stokes hundred was an epic ...but Australia was always a better side in both the Tests.

[@haroonbostan9721]

I wouldn't say 1st tbh

[@sarthakmahajan6336]

​@@haroonbostan9721Australia have mostly played in overcast conditions whereas England has played mostly in clear skies but still their batting has been poor.

[@josephcole8046]

England were the better side in the first test, they just missed chances. If England had managed to win this test, it would have been the same, but the other way around. Australia could have had this test match wrapped up much more comfortably if they had just taken their chances.

[@vishalramadhin1261]

​@@haroonbostan9721they were better in both games

[@sarthakmahajan6336]

@@vishalramadhin1261 ghanta. Australia played the whole first innings in overcast conditions where England had clear skies. In 2nd innings also ,England had good batting conditions. In 1st test also except that 15-20 mins of period in 2nd innings, England always had good conditions to play with.

[@Battismore-Blue]

Interesting Strauss saying ` People who wouldn`t normally come to Lords ` . The members were giving it loads in the Long Room

[@shaunsmusicreviews]

English herenvolk hubris knows no bounds

[@alexwilliams4264]

He was talking about a different set of members, you know, the ones that don't normally come to lord's as opposed to the ones that normally do hahaha 🤣 LMFAO

[@Battismore-Blue]

@@shaunsmusicreviews I had to look up (Google) herenvolk . Maybe i`m not your stereotypical Englishman

[@Bad_Gnasher]

Ashes cricket really is the most exciting form of the sport.

[@alanbrown4703]

Hahaha. We sure made a total Chump out of Bairstow? What a plank he looked , what player gets out like that Hahaha.

[@Robc--jd6yh]

@@alanbrown4703? Did you reply to the wrong comment? I don’t understand how it relates to the comment above

[@priyanshgautam9971]

​@@Robc--jd6yhhe's just **sburn

[@GurkiratXSingh]

I couldn't agree with you more. I loved every bit of this match. Sadly, my country is ruining the sport by creating worldwide windows for IPL which frankly is their cash cow and not a fair Cricket Tournament.

[@ShortsYouNeed98]

@@alanbrown4703Jonny didn’t do it to smith tho? He was doing the exact same thing?

[@GurkiratXSingh]

One of the all time classic test matches for sure. I see this and then look at India and how we are selecting players based on IPL shenanigans and then we expect to win against players like Mitchell Starc who give up IPL to play for Australia in the test matches. This is the true form of Cricket and how every Test Match should be played like. With a vengeance and a friendly rivalry.

[@jayebuss5562]

Exactly mate,🍻

[@nishantrajani7372]

India still made it to final of both WTC, and we have won test series in Australia and drawn one in England too recently while no team has beat india in india from 2012. As for both the final, opposition team clearly had an advantage in playing in England and we had little to no time to adjust for one of tests. It also baffles me how every WTC final is scheduled in England, if they schedule a final in India or for that matter anywhere in subcontinent India will win all of them without a doubt. But if anyone thinks India hasn’t done well in test cricket recently they are kidding themselves.

[@WTBob2005]

Many players, not just Indians, can learn a lot from Mitchell Starc by taking time away from franchise cricket to get himself right for internationals, especially Tests.

[@arunsrivatsa7155]

​@@nishantrajani7372 yea but your captain and players who blatantly tells everytime that they prioritise test cricket came running from England to play cash-rich IPL over winning the test series in England. Remember they were all vaccinated yet ran. So they dont deserve to be WTC champions.

[@Bazballsux]

Well said

[@dancowza6092]

The fact that Macullum and Stokes have fronted the media knowing that England has done the same thing to batsman and not recalled them is the real kick to the ‘spirit of the game’.

[@nevvanclarke9225]

Australia the game fair in square yesterday the English were making plenty of comments about the catch stop saying yep that's in the rules you have to catch it but today suddenly people are saying the runout is not in the spirit of the game Australia has better batsmen... Australia has a much better and smarter wicketkeeper and Australia has better bowlers and they also catch better that's why they are leading 2 Nil

[@karenhullock]

Literally didn't see one comment from anyone English saying what happened yesterday was in the rules. English fans said it was out, English press said it was out and so did former English players. The only people who didn't were the people who review decisions. Yeah you're up 2-0 and fair play you deserve it but the only reason you invented what you said is cause you know Australia dealt a low blow.

[@Godsabum]

​@@karenhullockliterally was said everywhere that it was the "letter of the law" yesterday but against the "spirit of cricket today" stop being a one eyed fan.

[@nevvanclarke9225]

@@karenhullock no not whatsoever do I feel any guilt that that was a low act at all also it is in the rules...0.87 seconds is how long Alex Carey had the ball in his hands before he threw the stumps down

[@yasinjamal7517]

i still feel that lack of an express pace bowler and not bazball is the reason for england losing these matches

[@Eleventhearlofmars]

I agree, England have too many samey bowlers and Anderson has not been the force of old, neither has Broad, I think mark Wood should get a chance with his pace.

[@niallgreen1011]

Agree and leg spiñner would be good

[@fwebber13]

No high quality spinner and the 3 main pace bowlers all averaging below par speeds is definitely going to have a negative impact

[@Lupi33z]

no I don't think England need an express pace bowler on traditional English wickets...but England doctored these pitches to play Bazball on and its playing to Australia's strengths rather than England's

[@tin-n-tan]

​@@EleventhearlofmarsI'd argue Anderson has been the force of old.

[@sharinHDGAMER]

Strauss casually making a classist comment....

[@thomasmorrell2737]

Which happens to be true. Cricket isn’t the game for the unwashed untermensch mob.

[@umbreluces]

@sharinHDGAMER 😂😂 I laugh but that is exactly right and always the case...!

[@TomSawyerCoD]

Where's the lie though?

[@noonespecial2488]

That’s why he lost his hair…

[@bowlingarry]

Some ruffians must have got into the long room aswell😂... chastising those cheating Austrians

[@showmedamane3589]

Strauss' comment about "people who wouldn't normally come to Lord's" is rather elitist, and poor timing considering the report that came out last Wednesday, still too many signs of classism in English cricket.

[@ykook7000]

Australia always has the potential to Win any match whereas England always has the potential to Lose any match Been like that for decades!

[@architkhanna4458]

we will see in odi 2023 world cup , which team will lose aur which will win

[@skkhalid904]

Baap er Beta Ben Stokes. One man Army The Ashes ⚱️ Love and respect from Kolkata

[@RohitDas_CR7]

Sabai nijer baper beta e hoy bhai 😅

[@rakshitshah911]

Aus made Bazzball turn into ashes 😂 I completely agree with Struass. Sometimes u have to even adapt the situation. This is bloody Australia u are facing that too in ASHES. U r not playing against some Irish farmers where u will dominate every ball.

[@aminwazir]

Ben stokes should have given up extra runs that he got On wc 2019 wc or they should have shared the wc 2019 with NZ and shown spirit of cricket

[@eugeneknox3004]

Nothing wrong with stumping. Check this run out in 1974 when Tony Greig threw down Kalicharran's stumps at the strikers end with the stumps pulled by Knott at the striker's end. The point was the umpire had not called play so he gave Kalicharran out. A riot nearly ensued and in the interest of the series the laws were circumvented and Kalicharran batted next day. But, he was out.

[@PeterBrasso]

If the umpire correctly judged the fair catch yesterday wasn’t a catch - the the umpire must’ve correctly judged this too ? Can’t have it both ways. He’s out !

[@stevenskliros9608]

They can't argue that Bairstow wasn't out because he was all they can come up with is "not in the spirit of the game"

[@fwebber13]

I'm convinced Stokes could average 120 if he wanted to but doesn't so we believe that he is still human

[@11hitmanDagenius]

That is only your perception, he has done well in a few notable innings in the past few years which is in memory but he has got sub par scores throughout his career too.

[@jaredburgess8381]

Stokes has been awesome in some key games but if you look at his average it's far below what he should have scored. That's because he's allowed his ego to dictate his actions over the years. Moments like those in this Test are perfect for him because his ego tells him he's the man to do the job and he nearly did it but usually the wickets are much less benign and placid and his 'see ball hit ball' tactics aren't appropriate. Just the same as Glenn Maxwell who has more talent than every Australian on the Test team but too big an ego for the game.

[@jake567100]

The only reason he doesn’t is because he wants to give the bowlers a chance - keeping with the spirit of cricket

[@Not1Dimensional]

Never seen him bat well in Australia apart from an innings at the WACA all them years ago

[@Sydneysideliner]

He needs to be 'activated' by something or someone first!

[@engineer8363]

Even without Lyon, Australia is the stronger team. Without Stokes, England are a bang average team.

[@woopimagpie]

Without Stokes England would have lost this test by 150 or more.

[@je7647]

when root is on hes the best in the world by miles saying that as a new zealander

[@tobymcflurry258]

I dont think there's a crack in england's method, it's easy to scrutinise Bazball, when in fact there's just a vast gap in the quality in england's squad vs australia's. our bowlers dont seem dangerous, and 7/11 of our batsmen seem clueless, not Bazball's fault. Dont forget australia are number 1 side in the world too.

[@gopalsaha053]

Bazball -0 cumball-2 😂😂

[@debuthunter5389]

@@Ron-pm3qk - Don't forget they were effectively playing with 10 men.

[@userjoe4321]

Australia outplayed England for most of this test match and they won the match without Lyon.

[@jlk760]

That point shouldn’t be overlooked. Add to that winning the toss and having favourable bowling conditions not only on day 1 but also when the Aussies batted again. England had opportunities to take the initiative, particularly at 188-1 in their first innings. The narrow margin of both results highlights that Australia won key moments rather than dominating whole days of the match and England will look at those moments that they could have taken advantage of. I don’t expect the remaining tests to be any different other than very close which England could easily come out on the right side of in the remainder of the series.

[@sanjaygupta666]

If the Starc catch was given the match would have been over in the first session. England better hope they don’t bat first on a green top

[@antony-fc6jp]

Spirit of the Game exhibit A: Bairstow attempted the exact same thing by trying to catch Marnus Labuschagne stepping out of his crease two days ago. Spirit of the Game exhibit B: England coach Brendon McCullum has three instances of identical dismissals. Spirit of the Game exhibit C: Broad edging a ball to slip but refusing to walk, an edge the English quick has since admitted to. Spirit of the Game exhibit D: England keeper Ben Foakes stumping Irishman Andy Balbirnie after holding onto the ball for a far greater amount of time than what Carey did. Spirit of the Game exhibit E: The MCC long room behaved disgracefully. Not surprisingly three MCC members are now suspended. Spirit of the Game exhibit F: The crowd chanting that Australians are cheaters. Actually the only person convicted of cheating in this series is England's Moeen Ali. Spirit of the Game exhibit G: England bowling Spirit of the Game exhibit E: The MCC long room behaved disgracefully. Not surprisingly three MCC members are now suspended. Spirit of the Game exhibit F: The crowd chanting that Australians are cheaters. Actually the only person convicted of cheating in this series is England's Moeen Ali. Spirit of the Game exhibit G: England bowling 'Body-Line' on day 4, for a record 98% short balls. Also extremely boring to watch - the opposite of so-called "bazball" entertainment. I won't add Duckett not walking re Starc's catch, because we respect that rules are rules. I also won't add England's controversial win over New Zealand in the World Cup final involving Stokes himself as there's been no shortage of comments about that.

[@tinkertailor7385]

I've seen Bairstow chucking at the stumps several times as an Aussie batsman ventured early from his crease. It's just that he's a lousy throw, that no umpire needed to rule on it. Anyway. A fantastic series. Drama. Passion. Noise.... and those Members at the Lord's Long Room as the Aussie players ran the gauntlet. Englishmen striven to the unbridled passion of the moment. Girded in a fury of righteous patriotism.... English Gentlemen girded in a fury of patriotism! Think of it! Never seen the likes of it. Fantastic stuff. Should be more of it. :)

[@snayak-vq6rp]

Thanks to England and Australia ckt team for making Test Cricket more interesting and keeping it live ....!!!! 👌👌👌

[@StuTheDon17]

Anderson should do the right thing and announce his retirement immediately. The game is beyond him now. It's one thing not getting wickets, but dropping simple catches in the field is a sign his time has come.

[@nyosito]

If you notice after the fall of the final wicket, smiths exchange with Anderson felt like he was saying goodbye to him.

[@domtheomnic]

England lost twice in 2 winning positions

[@dennispicone6801]

Therein lies one of the biggest differences between the two teams. 😊

[@sammyrocks3633]

This time Aussies were bowling without one of their key bowler Lyon. You have to take that into account. This match wouldn't have been that close if he was there

[@matthewrowell8518]

Oh the main talking point that is being ignored. Even more scary when you here stokes talking about being in the best position now to win the ashes😂😂😂

[@dennispicone6801]

@@matthewrowell8518 he drinks stronger stuff than me. This Australian team WON'T LOSE 3 consecutive test matches. That's what MUST happen for England to win. They have too many genuine problems to win 3 straight against a top tier team like Australia 🇦🇺. 👍😁🍺

[@stevenskliros9608]

​@@sammyrocks3633 Or if Smith hadn't dropped a sitter

[@PD-gt7on]

Watch and laugh as multiple Lords memberships are revoked. Sore losing has become a peculiarly English trait….

[@CNS1908]

Glad to see these guys admitting it was a fair dismissal.

[@balarajkakumanu9882]

Good analysis, With this kind of tactics England won few matches, but Australia looks better strategies for Baz ball approch. But Eng batting enjoyed a lot. Tough luck for England. Wishing all the best for remaining matches.

[@ArunKumar-vd6tk]

Despite all these chaos, nothing can be taken away from the Class of Ben Stokes who scripted a fabulous knock of highest order. A man for all seasons when the team in a crisis against a quality attack with its tail up

[@pauldoherty6413]

Salty English should be more annoyed at Bairstow for pure amateur carelessness, just like Aussies were told to be annoyed at Starc touching the ground with the ball rather than the decision itself! It was very clever play by Carey, he was switched on and Bairstow was sleeping, simple as that!

[@Revheadrev]

Bairstow left his crease - everyone knows not to do that. It was a great run out actually. Stark’s catch - I can see how the umpires disallowed it - even though it was clear he had it in control, he should not have let it touch the ground. Great test match - we’ll played both sides. And for a while there I genuinely thought Stokes was going to do us dirty again…he’s an incredible player - reminds me of Flintoff, and I’m not sure there’s much greater praise I can give him as an Aussie.

[@nevvanclarke9225]

Here are some very simple questions. If you go through the batting averages of the Australian players you will soon realised that we have a better batting line-up over a longer period of time not a short period of time if you look at the bowling stats England bowlers but that's because of Anderson and Broad if I was picking a team I would pick Australia's team over England's team any day of the week and over 5 days they have been the better team 2 Test matches in a row simply because they have better players in their squad that simple you can analyse all the other stuff Australia has more talent England relies on standout individual performance is like Joe root and Ben Stokes but they don't play as a team Ben Duckett was very good as well but I feel Australia win 5 nil

[@nevillehenderson8600]

Bazza can't complain as he did the same thing when keeping wicket for NZ against Sri Lanka.

[@oivvv9218]

"you never could take your eye off one delivery" - yup; excepting the hours of bowling that was metre above or to the side of the batter!

[@jassonsw]

Exactly.

[@Eleventhearlofmars]

They should of been called wides more often, some of the short stuff was going 3 feet over the batsmans heads.

[@tonyleyden2066]

As an australian [ am hoping i see anderson take over the mantle of one of the greatest bowlers to ever play and the majority of the australian players wont be back here There will always be ups and downs and no matter who you support the ASHES to me will always be the greatest matches of all and that is no disrepect to the rest of the teams

[@Scooty_Scooty]

I'm wondering if having a head coach who fronts a betting agency while having a history of not reporting a supposed match fixing approach straight away is in the spirit of the game? Must be because Baz is holier than thou and the England fans love him.

[@powerandpresence5290]

This has been a great series so far. For once, Australians are wining the close games. I can recall so many series where Australia play pretty well in England, but either lose or get a draw when we were very close to winning. As for the Bairstow dismissal, if it is against the spirit of the game, you still can’t carry on like a goose and incite the crowd into a frenzy of hate like Broad did. He went on and in for an hour or so. How does he not get on the umpires’ report for that? The message we are sending is that you can be as abusive as you like, as long as we approve of your sense of injustice. It’s just as well the incident with the members didn’t become more serious. Abusing opposition players when you don’t like an umpiring call, as well as spectators verbally abusing and manhandling players is definitely not in the spirit of the game. The latter followed on directly from Broad’s behaviour. He effectively legitimised crowd abuse. He didn’t intend for that outcome, but we should make sure players don’t inadvertently cause a riot. Batsmen can get fined for glaring at the umpire after being given out , and a fielder for swearing after dropping a catch. I think the umpires should send a clear message that Broad’s behaviour will not be tolerated.

[@jlk760]

Yes, Edgbaston in 2005, Cardiff in 2009 and Trent Bridge in 2013 spring to mind. Valid comments about Broad. He seems to play up to his pantomime villain persona. At 36, should really expect one of the senior pros in the team to set a better example instead of acting like a petulant child. His behaviour over the years has crossed a line with little or no consequence. You’re spot on about the members. There wasn’t much of a distance in the long room as the Aussies walked through and it only takes one unhinged individual. I hope the match referee at Leeds has the foresight to pull both captains aside before the match and remind both sets of players of their responsibilities when crossing the boundary edge.

[@RohanKumar-vu8mm]

Simply amazing ashes test match! Stokes is crazy, but aussies well deserved!

[@boris8787]

Imagine that Test Mach in the town of Chillingbourne.

[@sidneyfyfe7142]

The big story is... test match cricket at its best! This series at this rate, could rival 2005!!!

[@satanicmc]

Yesss

[@ivaerz4977]

Nah 2005 had better players

[@CJTutorialSpace1]

"if you are within the laws of the game, how can you possibly be outside the spirit of the game" - sums up the entire situation here

[@DailyStockPicks]

A day of Test match creed, the game in bloom, Where Aussie and English spirits loom. Strategies strange, under the sun, Unfolding a story that is far from done. Ben Stokes shines, a captain at his best, A hero's tale amidst the test. Australia strong, their prowess unfurl, A brilliant dance, in the cricket world. But a game is not won by a single star, Each player's role, both near and far. Two matches down, in the ashes we find, The strength and courage of the cricketing kind. At Lords, the crowd roars, a strange delight, In the fifth day's glow, a thrilling sight. Emotions run high, an Ashes chase, Each player's move, a pivotal base. Cummins stood firm, in the face of the crowd, His decision loud, his resolve un-cowed. The Spirit of Cricket, the debate unfolds, In the heart of the game, a story told. England, a fight, their hopes not dim, In the face of loss, their prospects slim. Through the hard knocks, a lesson learned, In the fire of competition, victory earned. Despite the defeat, England stood tall, Ben Stokes’ defiance, enthralled us all. A remarkable match, an epic fight, Under the Lords’ sky, a memorable sight. But two-nil down, the Ashes seems far, Yet in cricket, you're never sure where you are. The game ebbs and flows, the drama unfolds, In this grand stage, where bravery holds.

[@musakhan2562]

Chatgpt😂😂

[@patrickwalsh4070]

Andrew Strauss blaming the booing on "people who don’t normally come to Lords"… he’s talking about the tickets being £25 - pure and utter classism, only days after an extensive report was published saying how elitist cricket is in this country

[@DanielSmith-zv9yc]

I’m glad dumbball worked for the English against Ireland and NZ. But put it against a heavyweight test team like Australia and it didn’t get the job done

[@alhugo4722]

Spirit of the Game: Bowling short balls non-stop for three hours.

[@kaushalram5241]

It was so silly to see Baristow rushing towards the non-striker end but for what reason???

[@jonathonwhippie6746]

Classless by England as always this game shows it

[@jayebuss5562]

They talk about the 'spirit of the game' but have lost without grace, which is in my eyes essential to being in the spirit of the game.

[@3395rudy]

Broad said that “it’s the worst thing he’s seen on a cricket field..perhaps he had his eyes closed when he blatantly cheated in 2013

[@Richie-tn9wi]

If Carey was keeping near the stumps as he does with spinners, would Bairstow walk out of his crease so quickly? No I don't think he would have, if he did he would have been stumped.

[@edwardtwumasi5189]

Remember Stuart Broad not walking in 2013 ashes

[@user-sd1bm6hs2n]

spirit of cricket/ take a win. Every captain has different perspectives but that doesn't mean they are wrong or unfair. I've also seen bairstow throw ball at labuschagne when he's moving infrot of crease. So it is well within law and there's nothing more about it.

[@dansegelov305]

Bairstow's dismissal didn't cost England the match. They lost the match by tea on day 1.

[@pcaseyx]

Fair dues to Eoin and Andrew, strong enough to speak sense while the crowd embarrass themselves.

[@MainlyMinimaldubs]

Aussies embarrassed themselves sandpaper nerds

[@Ken-pi7qk]

@@MainlyMinimaldubsMaluco

[@neilmurphy4859]

Yeah good on Strauss for bringing it back to class again.

[@theearthrexden]

@@MainlyMinimaldubs2-0

[@PerthLuxury]

Stuart Broad can't talk, he didn't walk back in 2013 when he edged to first slip!! Even Bob Willis called him a cheat!!

[@123shainz]

Despite heroics of stokes …. Fate of this ashes has been already decided when stokes declared innings in first test 😊

[@christointon]

Think we will still win 3.2

[@RohitDas_CR7]

@@christointon the only time a comeback happened in Ashes by 0-2 down to 3-2 win, it was Sir Don Bradman's Australia in 1936-37

[@christointon]

@@RohitDas_CR7 And Sir Ben Stokes 2023 ashes team pending

[@123shainz]

@@christointon I’m England supporter , want them to win ….but unfortunately I don’t think it’s going to happen …. To me stokes is brave … somewhat modified and moderne afridi …. With high risk low reward ratio

[@ashukashyap5643]

Eng are missing Chris woakes and sam curran..both can swing the ball both ways and can also score crucial runs... can't have Robinson, Anderson and broad in same team...

[@robertfurner1729]

funny Starc took a perfect catch deemed not..were england ready to say it was a fair catch?

[@Earth12181]

Ben Stokes is always the Best btw when everybody is fit this should be the playing XI Ben Duckett Alex Lees Ollie Pope Joe Root Johny Bairstow Ben Stokes Moeen Ali/Sam Curran Jofra archer Stuart Broad Mark Wood Jimmy Anderson Ollie out,Jofra In along with Ali and Curran

[@PD-gt7on]

The ultimate summary: Australia 2-0

[@chrisschultz1]

Journey not the destination. Great match. Result is always secondary

[@christointon]

My predictions, Cummins comes out at Headingley, ends up facing constant chin action and ends up with no teeth and a bad headache. Out for series, first innings all out for 44. England bowl 501/1dec. Get Australia in again, Carey too scared to come out, Australia bowled out for 41. 4th test, Australia withdraw due to being scared of angry Mancunians. 5th Test, Ollie Robinson turns into prime Mitchell Johnson and tumbles a twenty wicket innings to take England to a deserved Ashes triumph!

[@JackBarrBaxter]

Well done mate you can count.

[@monkeynogo]

@@christointon You couldn't injure Nathan Lyon on one leg while bumping him endlessly, what makes you think England can hurt a much better batsman?

[@christointon]

@@JackBarrBaxter Shame we don't have Archer fit. He made Smith feel a bit silly 4 years ago.

[@malcolmmcdonald1885]

The letter of the law, while saving Duckett, condemned Bairstow. Spirit of cricket/ had Duckett decided to walk off, and accept that as a fair catch, the Bairstow incident would NOT have happened, because I would not have had to. This was cricket Karma at it's most instant and brutal. And, to Ben Stokes, a mighty innings. Truly superb. But sometimes leadership isn't about always being the hero. True leadership is bringing out the hero in others..just a thought. I note there were one or two occasions when Stokes picked up the ball and tossed it to an Aussie. Had the Australians appealed, the umpire would have been obliged to give him out. They didn't, and he wasn't.

[@alikhan-ri5ye]

There would be something very wrong with the universe if bazball wins an important Test series like Ashes for England, against this professional Australian side.Just not selecting Foakes as keeper cost them the first Test.

[@nandanavadhani904]

Honestly don't feel bad for bairstow he had it coming i have seen him walk down the wicket multiple times before and deserved it just poor game awareness

[@bensmith570]

Bairstow was out of his crease the ball was still active and the over wasn’t completed it’s in the law

[@rushikeshacharya7198]

One of the Big Ben's best innings ❤🇬🇧😍

[@tonydoggett7627]

Every Australian schoolboy and girl learns the crease rules early in life! 🦘🇦🇺

[@Lupi33z]

exactly, one of my earliest memories playing the game

[@TheFleetz]

Tactics of spirit killing cricket…..98% short and at the body! Drawing both teams into a race to bottom. Bairstowe made a rookie mistake for an incredibly experienced cricketer. So did Starc the day before.

[@BK-pl3vy]

In amongst all the negativity regarding spirit of the game .... these 2 past Eng skippers were gracious enough to say that there was nothing wrong with the manner of the Bairstow dismissal and a lot of the blame lies with him not being situation aware.

[@ravindra7791]

England missed a trick in the first test and also are missing a quality spinner in general, though now that Lyon has been injured its evened things

[@matiasavellanal5244]

not really australia has other spinners

[@bivinnathan3243]

Have you not heard of Murphy...He is a quality spinner...wait and watch

[@priyanshgautam9971]

Australia have Murphy he's a quality spinner too unlike English squad

[@ravindra7791]

Let's see how Murphy performs. Also English attack is very same , right arm medium pace. Need wood to speed up things

[@lordkell1986]

So, according to Stokes comments, I guess he will be giving back the World Cup to New Zealand then?!

[@roshanchhetri.]

History just remember winners, well done Australia, good luck next time barmyarmy they can only crying now👏🔥

[@Ironsmiler]

Blatantly untrue. What is remembered more, Australia's underarm ball against NZ or the fact Australia won the ODI? Who won the Test Match in which the 'Sandpaper' incident occured? Can you remember? Was the result more significant?

[@debasismohanty1952]

Totally agree with you history always remember the winners another example 2019 50 overs world cup final England win no one remembers new zealand performance in that world cup

[@JackBarrBaxter]

No one will remember the Indian side of the last decade then lol

[@rectum5754]

@@Ironsmiler I can’t remember any of that, all I remember is that Australia just beat England

[@addsfour3499]

5 days and 43 runs the difference. Awesome

[@ArakIngtiKathar]

First test it was Ben Stokes early declarations and second test, Bairstow's carelessness rather unprofessional cost England to hand 2-0. Regardless, cricket is a sport and such acts do happened inadvertently because we saw Stokes going full gun blazing and this guy almost took his team home. England were in a winning positions in both tests but Australia is more balanced side and they deserve to win.

[@liamraine1]

Bairstow's dropped chances were a much larger factor than the declaration in the first test.

[@mattyt3966]

@@liamraine1 Agreed. And in the 2nd test, England's 74 extras might have cost them a bit too!

[@user-rh9iw1rq9q]

Irony is ENGLAND talking about STRANGE TACTICS after winning 2019wc😂

[@jhoody7961]

Strauss “perhaps people that wouldn’t come to Lords came in today”…be quiet you mug. Geez was the members giving the Aussie players the most verbals😂