Reacting to fightinggm's "God Ranks are Horrible These Days" video

I don't usually do these video's but I had recently fought this Jin player fightinggm talks about and I felt compelled to react to it. Hope you guys enjoy! Also shout-out to fightinggm very strong player. #tekken8content #tekken8lars #games #NIKOSxWORLD #tekkenvideos #tekken8

[@JKSSN123]

Just an fyi. At 10:00 hms4 the lee low sweep is actually -13 on block now. Jin cant ws2 launch it but he couldve ws132142

[@NikosWorld123]

Appreciate it! I wasn't a 100% sure

[@fightinggm]

Good video dude. Glad u understand the situation since u played the dude also so im glad u got it.

[@NikosWorld123]

Appreciate you stopping by brody 💯 maybe we'll cross paths in a match some time

[@Fleez311]

If he's not a booster (which I'm sure he is) he probably grinds the hell out of ranked and never labs, I remember dudes in T7 would be TGP with like 50k wins which means they got like over 100k prob 200k matches played lmao, plus ranking up in T8 is much faster than T7

[@aflockofbricks8988]

This is exactly what he is. I have a friend who plays jack-8 who hit tgs and he has no idea what frame data is, or how it works. Doesn't know how the lab works, doesn't care. Throws out his flowchart, no punishing, etc.. playing every day he hit tgs in 3 weeks. The ranked system right now rewards grinding over skill like most ranked systems, but I think the real problem is that heat smashes and rage arts are too strong. In a Ft3 setting, shit like jack8s heat smash and his bluespark grab can end the match so fast there's no time for each player to demonstrate their offense/defense. Not to mention plugging. Insane that issue hasn't been changed.

[@MTcurser]

​@aflockofbricks8988 I main Jack8 and his Heat smash may be fast but it's trash when you duck the first hit and block the second which pushes you back now if you were to use other characters like Jin and Dragunov their heat smash has 3 hits which is bs because they can mix you up after you block so props to your friend because Jack8 you need to rely on his gimmicks because he has trash punishes and his hit box is complete nonsense compared to the bears. I can assure you grinding to TGS is honestly pretty good you don't get there without knowing how to punish gimmicks can only get you so far. I don't lab my matches or frames but from so many losses I know what works and what doesn't in blue ranks.

[@RuTo94]

@@aflockofbricks8988I’m not ashamed to admit it but being in GoD I don’t know sht about frame data I just know the punishes from playing the characters over and over to learn what to press. I even still do the wrong punishes majority of the time. I play based on how the first round goes if they play super aggressive I try to space a little while poking and vice versa I play aggressive if they start spacing and poking. One day I’ll learn frame data but I’ll just wing it for now 😂

[@seenmess3228]

It's not just GOD. Blue, king, and god ranks are filled with people who rely on setups and gimmicks. Just now I fought a tekken king viktor that only won rounds when he got me to the wall,

[@shaquilleIV]

I mean what’s wrong with him getting you to the wall and winning, you need to be more clear about why he’s bad because what you describe is simply a offense with an objective that he met

[@shaquilleIV]

If these people are so bad why does their inferior playstyle trigger you so much you should be able to beat them. Not everyone learns the game the same way calling someone bad for finding something that works is stupid

[@justanannepfp9814]

As lars myself, stuck in blue ranks, im trying so much to improve my neutral And not be some jimbo spammer Kinda hard, but its working out.

[@lucky-13gof47]

I think I can answer the question about why people are higher ranks than they should be. It's probably because you can't rematch endlessly anymore. To explain I was stuck in blue during T7 because I would rematch myself to a demotion trying to beat people who were clearly better just to learn. I'm not horrible, but no way I should be Tekken King. Even if I run into a match up I don't know that's only two losses and I may not see them again.

[@UltimateBallaPOM]

Mentally you're TK, but I see where you're coming from.

[@Arsa...]

same i also stuck at blue in t7 but now im tekken god in t8 and almost reach tgs, but i don't feel like my skill level is on that level yet

[@TriNguyen-iu2vi]

everything he saying about this jin player is true, but fightingGM is mad toxic though, most of the community and tekken content creator arent a fan of him.. in regards to rank yes but you do know if you grind rank enough you will get god of destruction. thats not a skill issue but a tekken rank problem

[@NikosWorld123]

@TriNguyen-iu2vi I agree with you. Gm is pretty toxic that's why I'm not gonna do videos like this often. Cause putting ppl on blast is not the wave an I'm not gonna move like that on my channel but I'll let this one slide

[@leebyakkoprizziano]

GM isn't really toxic in comparison to the "younger cliques of the tekken community." he's honest about how Tekken at the GoD level should be because he's been at the top while Knee was at his peak fr. It makes sense to take his advice while tryna get better. dude knows frames. GM got knowledge.

[@TriNguyen-iu2vi]

@leebyakkoprizziano so he is toxic then?? As you describe. Hes very toxic I seen his streams and how he talks about other players, he belittles everyone, hes crazy competitive, and swear alot. Players being tekken god destruction isnt a result of the players lack of skills fault!! But a tekken rank system fault that's allowing players to achieve those ranks by just playing rank.

[@ragnarok7452]

​@@TriNguyen-iu2viAnyone who isn't pro level, lacks some matchup knowledge, don't use optimal punishes or combos are trash according to his logic.

[@johnnymonsterrrr]

toxic or not hes super good tekken player, he can talk about stuff. Im not glazing but he beat arslan in FT10 yk

[@christophersmith5996]

I hate that people treat GOD like a rank you can just accidentally just get. You still have to be better than 99% of the player base. Unless you boosted it still takes an an annoying amount of time the average person just doesn't have if they have responsibility outside of the game.

[@micshaz]

It seems like people started saying "it's okay to mash sometimes" but forgot why; i'll give you an example. Bryan b1 on block, you respond with sidestepping his frame traps -> now he goes for b1 into homing moves, this is i10 interruptable - but you shouldn't ALWAYS interrupt it because the mid mid homing is unsafe and the mid high is duckable. You're supposed to layer your mind game If you have good block discipline vs a nina for example, they are gonna start using lows, but you can duck her fast low followups even on hit, db4 is only +4 so it's not like she can chain them together without the risk of being interrupted, so now she's "stuck" with d2 and generic d4 Letting a death fist or hei ff2 go unpunished until late in the round when you can just uf3+4 it with devil jin is almost the reverse concept. Every interaction whether you like it or not you and your opponent are programming eachother and it's your job to "inject" more programming into your opponent, and try to avoid being programmed yourself This is the difference between dumb and smart mashing that goes over peoples heads it seems

[@micshaz]

Db3* for the nina low and i guess i should add it comes out at i20

[@auggie4020]

Bro got hit with the YT trifecta. FightingGM, Niko, and Staccs in 1 video

[@NikosWorld123]

I only talked about it cause I fought that Jin literally yesterday 😭

[@HandsofGawd]

Embarrassing!! Lmaooo

[@BackLash1039]

Idk man haha i count several times where gm doesnt respect frames at all and he calls it optimal play but when someone does it to him he calls them a mashing scrub.

[@cryofist]

i noticed that too, you can even hear him slamming them buttons down almost nonstop the entire time

[@BackLash1039]

@cryofist it looks more too me like him abusing jin (not knowing the matchup) rather than him playing some high level stuff. He claims jin is "spamming" during a few quick mid punches hut he's literally throwing kick combos of roughly the same frames cause he's on neg 3 or so at the time sooo.. how is he jin spamming but he's "Playing optimal tekken" I think gm just gaslights and manipulates people tbh and I've watched a lot of his content

[@NikosWorld123]

@BackLash1039 I mean, at the end of the day, play However, you want. Mashing can be used strategically. I don't necessarily think he's as bad as GM claims but I Def wouldn't put him at G.o.D even tho he got the rank.

[@NikosWorld123]

@BackLash1039 I do think GM a Lil toxic tho.

[@DuppyBoii187]

​@@BackLash1039 because Lee dominates at that spacing you can tell its a good situation for Lee still.

[@RuTo94]

I’ve run into Wize Man couple times he’s good but plays super super aggressive so he gets heavily punished for it from sidesteps and CH launches.

[@chishiu12]

One of the biggest issues is the rate of improvement. I hate to admit it but rank doesn't matter in QP. Hardly any good players in QP....just players tryna play the game nothin more. Ppl like GM and specific GOD feel this way bc they grind to max points or max rank for multiple characters meaning for a long period of time in GM's case, hes faced nothing but tournament players and super sweats. The majority of ppl w/ the rank sit at the entry to the rank and proceed to play worst players in QP. As we see, getting the rank and quitting rank play has its setbacks. Something for us all to consider regardless of rank. Also, these could be ppl who got the rank early on, quit playin, and coming back.

[@Bloodhound_214]

Yeah still should play better than that.

[@chishiu12]

@1AdA-Greats while I agree to extent. Playing for fun and playing to get better are not synonymous. U can certainly do 1 without the other. When only Playing for fun you would do stupid random stuff just bc & for no reason.🤷🏾‍♂️ it's QP no rewards for winning and no penalty for losing.

[@Bloodhound_214]

@@chishiu12 I probably should’ve said more. When you truly practice a character and learn the fundamentals of a game. Taking a break won’t diminish your skills that much. What we saw from that Jin player was his skill level. They designed Jin in a way where you could get to god ranked with basically average to below average skill. Someone who plays like him should be at bushin to tekken king. But tekken 8 holds your hand with the heat system. Making almost everything Jin has easy he shouldn’t have electric from stance absolutely not. And his zen stance needs a rework. ALSO KEEP IN MIND. I’m a Jin main. All through tekken 7 until now.

[@chishiu12]

@1AdA-Greats I can't debate any of that as I'm not a jin main. But I will say keep in mind how u THINK the game should be played is limited to yourself, and isn't a standard for everyone else...pro or not. That mindset is toxic. Play how u want and most of all enjoy the game. Everyone's goals aren't the same and you got to be ok with that.

[@Bloodhound_214]

@@chishiu12 they made the game extremely simple to appeal to new players. You can’t buff offense and nerf defense then expect the game to be fine. Fighting games operate in a specific way. You literally had an eddy bot going around winning games by hitting one button. You can call my ideals toxic all you want but do you really think a fighting game should be designed that way. All they care about is money. Tekken has never been this way before. It’s not necessary funny when your opponent pops heat and you die from blocking. I’m not the only one saying this pro, casually and intermediate players share this mindset.

[@lucianocruz3383]

l love How Lars looks in the thumbnail lol

[@Bloodhound_214]

I’m happy for all the new moves that Jin has. But if he was as difficult or close to his tekken 7 counterpart we wouldn’t be seeing stuff like this.

[@NikosWorld123]

@@Bloodhound_214 T7 Jin mains are Waaaaaay better than T8 Jin mains there's a big difference

[@Donokyothelast]

I think he's more of a old guard where he holds a standard of are you good if not do better negative reinforcement type joke.

[@sniperalexander248]

He plays like my friend. My friend and I are pretty good rank. We started playing fighting games/tekken 7 last year in the summer. He’s is kishin and i made it to tekken king. I’m a kazuya main and he is a king main. Bro be mashing after getting hit all the time but stil be pull dubs. It even gets me sometime. Like he’s my bro but shit pisses me off.

[@ladrellhart2063]

I hate to say it, but a lot of these guy's rank up from one and dones and cherry-picking fights, which is 2ed degree boosting. That's why they suck so bad. They think getting a high rank will automatically make them a great player when it really just expose them for being trash. That's why it's important to get these ranks the right way.

[@bearpalmtk]

There needs to be rank decay in GoD's this will filter them for sure. Real GoD's can easily keep the rank

[@dade97asd96]

This probably wouldn't have happened or at least not this obvious if they didn't remove ranks. This might be the reason why there's some points while ranking that have a drastic change in difficulty like some players have pointed out especially once reached Tekken king and probably even in some of the lower ranks. Hope they'll add some of the older ranks back or even new ones I'll be fine with tbh. Imo this change could improve a fairer distribution of skill among players.

[@NikosWorld123]

I agree. I'm sure a rank reset will happen. I have been seeing alot of questionable G.o.Ds that play worse than mighty rulers

[@JustN0tMe]

I can't speak about God ranks, but I know this is the case for Blue ranks. This game makes you focus on the wrong aspects of the game...I recently went back to T7 and I confirmed my fundamentals got worse, despite my knowledge and understanding of timing got better

[@lordimax399]

28:15 where jin is and where the kick landed is wild to me.ik its standard in tekken but im not good at it

[@SundayReacts]

I’m a GM fan so happy to see ur reaction. Subbed

[@tek87]

Mashing, not knowing frames and not doing proper punishes puts you at Emperor?? Tekken 8 ranked is truly a joke...

[@RVonTheGreat]

I think for him to get to g.o.d while playing like this is great that means he ain’t need frames to get there 🤣🤣 but he playing like a flame ruler no cap

[@sebastianmoscoso9404]

But cant you say that if he doesnt even understand the frames that hes much lower than emporer? Sounds more like fujin to me

[@NikosWorld123]

@sebastianmoscoso9404 you could argue that forsure

[@Ray-hx5fu]

in the aspect of frames that can be argued, but dont be stupid. In everything else he is extremely skillful hence why he got to top rank despite his bad habits

[@NikosWorld123]

@Ray-hx5fu I agree. You can still be fine with frame data knowledge. An the Jin is skilled in other aspects, that's why I'd say he's a tekken emperor range.

[@Ray-hx5fu]

@@NikosWorld123 yeah that's more understandable. Fujin is just delusional

[@Flintc08]

He got Good rank because he’s playing Jin…you don’t need to learn frames when your character carries you. Most Jins I encounter just mash because the character spoils you

[@marlinmurrell620]

I prefer to call most of my mashing, coordinated mashing. Lol

[@ChrisM-wv4gs]

Mashing is fine mindless mashing Is another story. When i frame trap after i do my + frame move I mash my follow up button like a mad man to make sure it comes out on frame one.

[@marlinmurrell620]

@@ChrisM-wv4gs Exactly lmao

[@y120x]

he should consider maining yoshi, fits him perfectly.

[@Babyzaku]

I’m glad more people are talking about this definitely a good video cuz

[@Iamkiingdrew]

I mean … you could also be kinda impressed with him getting to GoD with that playstyle if he doesn’t know frames … that’s probably the I don’t got time to lab yolo playstyle lol

[@NikosWorld123]

I guess that is impressive....in a bad way lolol

[@jabronijim5874]

Doesn't help anyone's case trying to defend Jin not being too strong

[@tekkn_579]

But he is max rank so can we really criticise the dude? He can just say he’s max rank and that’s all that matters at the end of the day lol 🤷‍♂️ Playing heihachi, you will struggle to get max rank without playing fundamentally solidly.

[@Darkplayer-bg8lm]

Damn dawg homie got free coaching, do that to me! 😂 great video tho and ranked being broken in this game isn't exactly something new but i don't like the way prowess has introduced a hyper influx of people not being in the rank where they are supposed to

[@ryans2848]

Yea I like your analogy of game play u should do like fraud of the week or somthing

[@MappatsYasharahla]

*The Jin player made it all the way to G.O.D without the frame knowledge/discipline ...so by the time he tighten up in that area he'll be a major problem*

[@NikosWorld123]

@@MappatsYasharahla agreed. He's just holding himself back

[@nogoofies5099]

Oh shit bro I didn’t know you made content too. Great video btw

[@RationalMinded]

I'm not about to hate on the Jin player becauae he plays the game the way the devs intended. GM's toxicity can be cringe at times but I'm also a NYer who grew up on fighting games in the 90s so I get it. Competition was always fierce and no one wanted to lose their turn on the machines so people got good, really good. We'd talk all kinds of shit before and during matches but for the most part, once those matches and sets were done, we were cool.

[@kukuthemoogle8560]

If he really is a wize man he's gonna learn a whole lot from this schooling you guys are giving him damn.

[@Snareric]

The game allows people like this to get to GoD rank so is it his fault or is it the games fault for allowing them to be at that rank? I don’t know the answer I’m just trying to bring up a discussion.

[@NikosWorld123]

Jin does carry some forsure but I won't deny getting G.o.D especially without having frame data knowledge. Is impressive

[@saucyseek4137]

Do people get “boosted” in Tekken? Similar to in league of legends? We have an issue in high mmr play where it’s obvious as fuck that somebody either bought an account or paid someone to rank them up. They’re not a horrible player necessarily, they’re just not sniffing top 1% level play. This Wise Man guy doesn’t even look like he could’ve reached G.O.D. Then again I’m new Tekken, so maybe I don’t know the in and outs of what it takes to actually hit an impressive rank in this game.

[@NikosWorld123]

@saucyseek4137 The Jin is not as bad as GM claims, imo but it is very obvious he does not know frames...frames is not the end all be all but I HIGHLY recommend that everyone learns what frames are

[@asamataua]

Yo i love sirstaccalot. He is a Kazuya main and IS FILTHY!

[@redwinebryan]

i literally said the same thing on a themainmanswe video because he keeps fighting bums like this jin and i keep saying i fight fujins and rajins better than this like wayyy better they auto duck low parry throw break and stuff in fujin to raijin ranks but in tekken god or godestruction they seem to be so fking bad and everyone insulted me and kept telling me its just because im bad and i should do this and that and stop complaining because im just trash but everytime i see a themainman video i get so pissed off because he only gets the easiest matchups and i get all the yoshi xiaou lili azusena jun raven and alisa i litterally didnt meet a single kazuya or paul or normal characteres in 3 months i usually ban at least 15 xiaou per sessions its damn near impossible to enjoy this game the more lili and xiaou i ban the more they multiply i legit dont get a single good game

[@ladrellhart2063]

I hate to tell you but, if you keep trying to rank up with easy matches you'll eventually become a fake Max Rank just like this Jin player. Here's an example let's say you ban all the characters you hate fighting and you rank up to a gold rank from only fighting easy matches and characters you enjoy fighting. Now you're TG rank than you end up facing a fujin Ling Xiaoyu next you get blown completely out. You don't even get a match on her. That's gonna make you look like a BOOSTER not only that you'll eventually end up on one of these videos. Don't do that to yourself man. Stop looking for easy wins and study all match ups if you intend to be a real G.O.D. If you truly insist on dodge characters and hard match ups. I don't recommend trying to rank up any higher than what you are already because nothing good will come out of it.

[@jacknapier8885]

GM is arguably the best Lee player in the world, but the dude is bitter and toxic AF..he claims he won plenty of tourneys and he’s only real achievement is beating Arslan in FT10. It doesn’t validate anything TBH

[@NikosWorld123]

@@jacknapier8885 I agree gm is pretty toxic

[@The1972Cutlass]

He does a lot of frame traps that running jump move is all gm does

[@The1972Cutlass]

Also he spams lows also don't know why he talking about the jin player

[@fightinggm]

U bugging u can literally find me on liquidpedia and even a guiness world record online if u Google me. Crazy that u think that's my only achievement 🤣

[@dianzolul]

Rank reset boutta be hell 😂😂😂 W vid you and tendoxi are my inspirations as a lars main

[@christhornton390]

Lee video Tekken 8

[@adill5160]

Today’s a good day to be up early.

[@NikosWorld123]

💯 hope you'd enjoyed it brother

[@XStreamCleaningLLC]

if the person trash and he beats you then what dose that makes him?

[@NikosWorld123]

It is VERY possible to lose to someone who is not better than you in T8. At the end of the day anybody can lose to anybody

[@XStreamCleaningLLC]

@NikosWorld123 🤔

[@AbdulAziz-c1m7u]

Someone not consistent or even worse

[@jinjin45]

The game was built specifically to allow lesser players to compete with greater players. Harada said it himself, so that tracks.

[@XStreamCleaningLLC]

@@jinjin45 if I'm not mistaken but wasn't Tekken 7 was built with a handicap system?

[@PhajEsTeeb]

These so called God ranks plays like green ranks. Maybe they cheated their way to God rank by plugging so they don't lose points along the way 😅

[@NikosWorld123]

@@PhajEsTeeb I know those types of players are out there

[@fujin_cge]

He lost to staccs too? Bloodclaaaa

[@Fizzy_faizaan]

It's snowing ❄️

[@fujin_cge]

I see tekken king jins way better than wise guy

[@HandsofGawd]

3:43 😭😭😭😂😂😂

[@Ray-hx5fu]

They need to add more ranks within gOd since the high level GoDs always dominate the lower tier ones

[@NikosWorld123]

i'm sure they will add more ranks. Or rank resets I'm sure it'll happen

[@yungslack7311]

Like + subbed

[@c16621]

These videos should teach these console scrubs a lesson about what initiative, training, effort and consistency to be top rank, and at the least, be a GOOD PLAYER. Scrubs have the mindset that people should get something for nothing. In reality, to have anything in life, you gotta put in the effort.