Reaction, Star Trek: TNG, 3x09, The Vengeance Factor, Gallifrey Gals Get Warped! S3Ep9

[@matthewgross8013]

The wormhole in ds9 is the bajoran wormhole, the one in the Price is the Barzan wormhole. The Barzan wormhole actually returns in an episode of Voyager called False Profits

[@kennethspears22]

One of the background actors who played the Gatherers, became the husband of Marina Sirtus. He passed away a couple of years ago.

[@JeshuaSquirrel]

I would think Riker's actions solidified the Federation's stance in those two factions' eyes as truly being out for peace.

[@Raja1938]

The Barzan wormhole in "The Price" isn't the same as the Bajoran wormhole in DS9. While the Bajoran one was stable at both ends, the Barzan was stable only on one end while the other end shifted locations randomly, making it effectively useless for transit.

[@Helbore]

It also made a reappearance in a late episode of Voyager.

[@Otakuguy01]

The Bajoran wormhole in DS9 is different, but The Price does set up an episode of Star Trek Voyager much later.

[@bemasaberwyn55]

I LOVE that episode

[@trekkerj]

The wormhole in The Price is not the same one in DS9, but good point that they used the stable wormhole concept as a jumping off point. Will you guys react to DS9? 😀

[@TimeLord1231]

Definitely, I’d love to watch DS9 reactions!

[@donaldb1]

I agree. I wouldn't care about any of the other spin-offs, but DS9 is classy. Paula apparently doesn't like it so much, but I know she's mentioned she's been rewatching it, so maybe it's due for a reappraisal.

[@catwhowalksbyhimself]

Correct, it's a completely different wormhole and has been there in that location for some time. It's never moved. It also goes to a completely different quadrant.

[@colonelquack]

I considered pointing this out, but I just figured she misspoke. As well, how that unstable wormhole appears in Voyager.

[@Tantalus010]

@@colonelquack Yeah, I was gonna say, I thought that particular wormhole showed up in Voyager because it went to the Delta Quadrant.

[@JeshuaSquirrel]

I could put some head canon on Picard not reacting. He saw that Uta was forcing Riker's hand, so was prepared for what Riker would do. Picard's lack of reaction gives support for his XO's actions. Had Picard reacted with horror, then that would have let Riker be thrown under the bus.

[@firefly24601]

Yeah, I could see Picard trying to keep the situation calm by trusting his XO and being cool and collected. I have no idea why Chorgan's guards are so non-responsive though!

[@mmattson8947]

More likely Picard is still processing that Riker's 20-something date is actually twice Picard's age.

[@jurodriguez6026]

Growing up as a Star Wars fan, I never gave Star Trek a chance cause it felt taboo...but y’all’s reaction to this show has made me such a fan that I spent some of my quarantine watching the show. An holy smokes I am so happy I watched. This show is fantastic!!

[@BritneyLaZonga]

There's no reason to not like both franchises other than tribalism. Its sad actually

[@tomyoung9049]

grew up just the opposite. Always been and will be a hardcore 'Trekkie', TOS forever. And growing up was like you had to be one or the other. So was kind of late getting onboard Star Wars. I'm gratified the series still exists though its not my series. Seems way more star warzy in newest versions. But, it lives on.

[@DeltaAssaultGaming]

Star Wars stinks

[@anonimuso]

"You haven't changed in a hundred years!" "You should now. You were there." 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@karter95]

Lower Decks takes place post Next Generation in the year 2380. It has quite a few easter eggs that could be potential spoilers for next gen. For time frame this episode I believer takes place in 2366.

[@Tantalus010]

I like how when Paula and Katrina see a woman cause a fatal heart attack by touching the dude's face, they both simultaneously try to murder all of us through the camera.

[@unexpectedbagel6164]

I'm listening to the post-episode commentary, and Katrina said something I felt about last night's Star Trek Discovery episode...I found myself momentarily relating to the antagonist...to give nothing away if any of you haven't seen it. Star Trek is a franchise with such depth and nuance. I love it.

[@DeltaAssaultGaming]

Discovery is awful.

[@anonymousaccordionist3326]

That Barzan wormhole is very much not the same as the one discovered in Deep Space Nine. They are in entirely different areas in space and the Bajoran wormhole is not discovered until many years later. It's around season 5, I believe, when Deep Space Nine begins, which is when the wormhole is discovered. The Barzan wormhole, in fact, never stabilizes and remains worthless.

[@andrewjacksonbr]

I clicked on this yesterday and it was gone; now it’s BACK! Hooray Beer,

[@jeremykraenzlein5975]

The first two seasons of Deep Space Nine aired the same years as seasons six and seven of Star Trek: The Next Generation. Not only are there a few direct crossovers between the two (one show's characters appearing on the other show), but there is also a storyline which each show builds on following episodes of the other. Also, Worf joins DS9 starting in season four, and many of his storylines which start in TNG reach a very satisfying conclusion later in DS9. DS9 also follows-up on TNG episodes you haven't seen yet, like "Qpid" and "Second Chances". I liked DS9 when it first came out. Some critics called it "Deep Space 90210", because it spent more time showing life on the station and developing characters, not always in the midst of a major conflict. Yes, there were some specific episodes I disliked for that reason too, but overall it was still a good show. A few years ago, I re-watched the series on Netflix, and it was far better than I remembered. Much of the show deals with geo-politics, occupations, and resistance movements / insurgencies. I think I understood these storylines better the second time, after following some rather unfortunate events in real-life news. I think many of us would like to see you react to DS9 as well, when you reach season six of TNG. You can look at the original air dates to sequence the episodes correctly between the two. But if you don't want to watch all of it, I would be willing to look through the first two seasons of DS9 again, and make a list of just episodes of interest for TNG fans (including episodes which these episodes build from, so you won't feel like you missed something). Reply to this comment if interested, and I will start working on the list. It will take some time to generate, but I can add it as a comment to one of your future TNG reaction videos.

[@DeltaAssaultGaming]

I never liked DS9. It seemed like a very unpleasant environment compared to TNG. Mike Stoklasa said that Star Trek to him was about being in a big happy family aboard a starship exploring the universe. And that’s what I think is missing from DS9.

[@Retro6502]

The wormhole in DS9 is different. That one is near Bajor. The episode in TNG that you recently watched is about the Barzan wormhole - different planet :-) The Bajorans aren't introduced in TNG until Season 5 with Ro Laren.

[@adambrown3918]

The cycle of revenge. It never ends. Great reaction, gals! I'm still star struck by your last episode!! Anyways, thanks for posting. 😊

[@jeremykraenzlein5975]

I don't know if you've recorded the reaction to "The Best of Both Worlds, part 1" yet, but one trivia item you could include in it's intro is that TV Guide twice made lists of the top 100 episodes in all of episodic television, and this episode made both lists. It was number 70 in their 1997 list, which also included a lot of favorites from as far back as the 1950's and 1960's. Their 2009 list apparently had a more recent cutoff, and as a result "The Best of Both Worlds" moved up to number 40. The original series episode "The City on the Edge of Forever" also made both lists, though it was farther down in the ranking both times. No other Star Trek episode made either list.

[@jonathanross149]

Last episode also has connections with ST: Voyager

[@alexbennett7018]

There’s also Star Trek the animated series witch was a short running continuation of The Original series.

[@justinplayfair4638]

Yes, the *Emmy Award-Winning* Star Trek The Animated Series which aired on NBC TV Saturday mornings for two years. Gotta remember those awards...I'm still kind of peeved at Paula for failing to mention that The Big Goodbye won the prestigious Peabody Award...

[@ZipplyZane]

Yeah, but I doubt people were recommending it as "really good." The animation is very limited, and, while it has some decent episodes, the quality overall isn't great.

[@Esl1999]

@@justinplayfair4638 I joined Patreon just to see if Paula does mention things like the Peabody awards. Sadly, she doesn’t seem to do enough homework on the episodes before watching them with Katrina. Another problem is she gives inaccurate facts to Katrina sometimes. She is kind of a newb herself when it comes to Star Trek as well.

[@justinplayfair4638]

@@ZipplyZane It's relative...Back in the early 70's, in the wasteland of children's Saturday morning television, it did win acclaim as having been intelligently written. The environment for children's television at the time had been greatly changed by Peggy Charren and the Action for Children's Television(ACT) group. Restrictions were placed on children's TV, limiting the type of conflict that could be depicted. This in turn led to both a decline in formal narratives and any type of physical confrontation or action in children's animation. In other words, it was easier for the networks to play it safe and present "sketch-comedy" cartoons that were relatively toothless. Action series from the 60's such as Jonny Quest, Hot Wheels, and Fantastic Voyage wouldn't have been approved in the 70's. The writers for Star Trek had to depict conflict without much in the way of interpersonal fighting or death. It's a testament to the writers that the animated series was so distinctive in its writing and overall direction in spite of this. And a lot of the design work was impressive and balanced out the limited animation. If there was disappointment from Trek fans, it was that it WAS a Saturday Morning cartoon, and not a proper live-action revival...

[@justinplayfair4638]

@@Esl1999 I'm not really going to knock Paula *too* much, I think she does a fairly decent job on presenting a lot of trivia. If I was irked by the Peabody omission, it primarily because, even though TNG had a rocky start, that award did a LOT to alert people that the show could be ambitious and provocative. It was pretty prestigious recognition, and did a lot to help see it through that first rough year. ESL1999, do you watch the full episode reactions on Patreon? I'm certainly curious about them!

[@MASSTERCAM]

The only thing i never understood, wy couldnt Riker just stun her, it seems the Phaser he used had only 3 settings. But despite the Phaser-thing, its a really good episode for me and i like the characters of Brull and Chorgan.

[@Quotenwagnerianer]

We'll just have to assume that he already did set the phaser to the highest stun setting on the second try. And as that didn't work...

[@tomyoung9049]

Star Trek has always been about looking at ourselves, good or bad, from that "alien" point of view. Since the very first, putting up subjects and such that even sometimes couldn't shown without hiding them in plain sight.

[@jebcalp5703]

Lisa Wilcox who did Yuta in this episode also did Alice in, "A Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master," and, "A Nightmare on Elm Street 5: The Dream Child."

[@dudermcdudeface3674]

She got that Lebowski sweater. Does she know it's a Lebowski sweater? If not, I envy her discovering it.

[@odoetah]

There will actually be a another new animated series premiering on Nickelodeon in 2021. Star Trek: Prodigy and Kate Mulgrew will be voicing Kathern Janeway.

[@jean-paulaudette9246]

Yuta is played by my favorite Last Girl from the "Nightmare On Elm Street" series. She featured in parts 4 & 5.

[@MamoruChiba1]

Director Timothy Bond recalled, "It was fun to do. The dialogue was of little consequence, and I think some of it was even cut. There's a tendency in television to say, 'I'm opening the door now.' Well just open the door. It's not a radio show. So we were able to make that quite visual and the art department came up with this bizarre painted backdrop. They lit it with green light and there was smoke. That show also featured the best set I've ever had. We only had it up for two days and it was such a shame to tear it down."

[@donaldb1]

There was also Star Trek the Animated Series, from the early 70s, which was a continuation of the original series. I've never seen it, but it has fans.

[@patsk8872]

Uh, whoops? The Barzan wormhole in The Price does have a payoff, but it's in Voyager. The wormhole in DS9 is a completely different wormhole.

[@odoetah]

I believe what she meant was that the concept (plot device) from "The Price" was expanded upon to create the Gamma quadrant worm hole in DS9

[@themorningafterpost1430]

Paula- sorry, but that was a diff wormhole in a diff spot (and that lady wasn't Bajoran), which went to the delta quad, and those three Ferengi pop up again in a Voyager ep.

[@chrisbullard5901]

And that Voyager episode proves once and for all Janeway was never a competent captain, but a “teacher’s pet” of the admiral, so when a hot new ride was available, she got the keys to daddy’s BMW.

[@bemasaberwyn55]

To me this particular episode reminds me of both the second Trek feature film and a TOS episode called City On The Edge of Forever (I'm sure Paula will understand why). On a lighter note, in 48 hours the latest episode of Discovery will be Star Trek's 800th episode. That spans TOS(1966-1969), TAS(1973-1974), TNG(1987-1994), DS9(1993-1999), VOY(1995-2001), ENT(2001-2005), DSC(2016-Present), Short Treks(2017-Present), Picard(2019-Present), and Lower Decks(2020- Present). In production is Prodigy(a Nickelodeon series), Strange New Worlds(Discovery spin off 1), and Section 31(Discovery spin off 2). As well as a 14th film which may or may not be the final Kelvin timeline film. I will say for a fan such as myself(and Paula) don't listen to the haters of the new Trek era(anything post 2009). Watch it for yourself and form your own opinions. Personally I loved it(Trek fan since this series at 3 years old)

[@mikeharvey2129]

Not to nit-pick, but Deep Space Nine finished airing in 1999, not 2000.

[@bemasaberwyn55]

@@mikeharvey2129 I couldn't remember, thanks I'll fix it

[@ZipplyZane]

At first I didn't think I knew this episode at all, as I didn't recognize anything on the planet. But I remembered the stuff on the ship. I'm disappointed that we saw her commit the murder. I think it should have been more ambiguous, so we were catching on with the crew. Heck, we could even have been led to think the first guy Riker shot was possibly the killer.

[@daniellanctot6548]

When TNG goes heavy: They go heavy HARD! Revenge and its repercutions is a theme that does get explored every once in a while on this show Along with so many other human flaws) Yes! Next episode is one of my "obscure favorites" ("Obscure" in that it is not one of the super-duper, legendary episode, but still a great one that would be at the top if there wasn't SO MANY even more incredible episodes in the list)

[@colonelquack]

Paula. Sweetie. Darling. You forgot about Star Trek: The Animated Series. It's on Netflix. ...Or was. Sure, it was simply called Star Trek at the time, but so was The Original Series.

[@orionspero560]

There were 3 seasons of production overlap and 2 seasons of publication overlap. Season 5 TOS was produced at the same time as season one of deep space 9 but season 1 ran immediately following season 5.

[@MichaelJShaffer]

"Lower Decks" was also the title of a 7th season TNG episode (also tying into DS9, tangentially). I'd avoid the animated show until you're through all of TNG, just to avoid spoilers. Next week's is a great one.

[@rafetizer]

Pretty sure Paula is well aware.

[@MichaelJShaffer]

@@rafetizer It wasn't meant as a "I know something you don't" it was just a comment to add to the discussion. I'm quite confident that Paula, and most people watching, are well versed in Trek lore. This isn't a competition.🖖

[@KnightOwl1881]

And yes there is! There is Star Trek The Animated Series which continued the Original Series!

[@KnightOwl1881]

The DS9 Wormhole is in the vicinity of Bajor...the station they are on wasn't even built by the Federation. (Its a common misconception though!)

[@rooqbranwen8305]

Seeing how much you two seem to enjoy relatable topics, I can only repeat my request for you to react to DS9 after TNG. Or maybe simultaneously, once the shows sync up. Pretty please? :)

[@Jim73]

There's something called "physical restraint". Riker didn't have to kill her, just restrain her until taken elsewhere. Also, aren't all viruses "micro"? Ugh. Don't get me wrong, I do like TNG, but... usually if you actually think about it, there are so many problems in nearly every ep. Much like X-Files.

[@DeltaAssaultGaming]

Yuta is so beautiful. You can see why Riker would fall for her.

[@empirejeff]

It is very cold in space.

[@jeffborowiak9398]

The last year of the original series Enterprise five year mission is very animated.

[@unclelink]

Anyone reacting to Gargoyles yet? A lot of Star Trek: TNG alumni starred in it. Hearing David Xanatos' voice clear as day.

[@LordTelperion]

The Code of Hammurabi was actually a call for peace in a similar tribal vengeance society: an "eye for an eye" instead of the previous "kill your whole family for stepping on my toe".

[@jonathanross149]

There are several comments about ST: The Animated Series. There is only one episode in that series considered canon. It was about Spock's childhood.

[@dngillikin]

It's been "re-canonized" for more than a decade (and closer to 15 years) now.

[@Rick-Rarick]

Glad to get to this before any CBS block.

[@MichaelJShaffer]

This is my only KZbin subscription that I watch the second it posts. There's a positive outcome to the blocking - early viewing😆.

[@climbingdan]

3:39 Doc Brown Katrina, Yay! Lol

[@nathanschultz5538]

Take your time and enjoy the other Treks before Lower Decks, but I'll be here when you get to it eventually. You will love it.

[@empirejeff]

She was very committed to that mission.

[@exhistoriascientia]

I was in Britain in 2008 when Doctor Who series 4 aired so I got to see the last four episodes two weeks before they debuted in the States. I teased a friend endlessly as he waited to find out the meaning behind little teasers I would tell him.

[@1nelsondj]

I don't see why it was necessary to disintegrate Yuta, why not just stun her into unconsciousness? The Original Series of Star Trek also had an animated series with the original cast doing the voices of their characters. It ran for 22 episodes.

[@firefly24601]

I think he tried the first few times. It only pained her, but didn't knock her out. Nor kept her from trying again.

[@ZipplyZane]

Yep. He was trying to stun her. Most likely after the first stun shot didn't work, he tried maximum stun (a setting mentioned in the show). When that didn't work, he was forced to switch to one of the disintegrate settings.

[@DrummingWriterTrekfan84]

There is an animated star trek series Paula and Katrina from the 1970's that continues the original series. It's pretty interesting too. 😎👍🖖

[@Johnsavage1]

I always enjoy your reactions look forward to next week as it's one of my favourites. I don't know if im being nit picky but it seems to me that Riker didn't need to kill her, he easily could have tackled her or beamed her to the brig.

[@DeltaAssaultGaming]

This is true. Or just kept using heavy stun and held the trigger down for a while.

[@17nationarmy37]

Little late to the party but, DS9 wormhole goes to Gamma quadrant and is stationed near the planet BAJOR, the wormhole in The Price went to the Delta quadrant which is where the Borg come from, and spoilers say that's where Voyager takes place too. And I realluy hope you watch DS9 after TNG, THat show is SO GOOD.

[@quoniam426]

No Paula, The Price wormhole isn't DS9's wormhole. It is the Voyager season 3 wormhole with the Ferengi emerging from it and... messing around in the DELTA Quadrant. The Price's wormhole ends up in the GAMMA Quadrant. Lower Decks is just a collection of memes, references and memberberries from all other ST shows. It isn't really worth it, especially if you only have watched one ST series, you won't understand the tenth of it. On the other hand, there is The Animated Series which can be considered as season 4 of TOS with less budget but with more artistic liberty due to drawing instead of special effects, it has a couple of really good episodes, especially one on Spock's past.

[@evrbody]

Since you guys are watching Rick and Morty, you might as well watch Lower Decks. It's basically "Trek and Morty."

[@jonathanross149]

Even without the revenge storyline, this would have been a pretty good ST:TNG episode

[@kennethspears22]

I think the producer of Star Trek Lower Deck is the same producer of Rick & Morty.

[@MrFloppyHare]

I'm getting ahead, but I'd love for you to also watch ST Voyager. Great characters to connect with and a lot of action too.

[@rayharley597]

One of the few episodes where I like Riker, and I always saw Picard as feeling Riker's agony at what he was being forced to do; not daring to react in case somebody else got killed (sometimes you shouldn't know what happens behind the scenes...). When I think of Animated Trek I think of the original series; which kept Trek alive in the seventies. It looks very primitive now, and was clearly aimed at kids in a very seventies way.

[@kellykarjola245]

Commander riker has never killed a beautiful woman before

[@brandonflorida1092]

An animated "Star Trek" show: There was a cartoon in the 70s. The original actors did the voices.

[@shallendor]

There was an Animated original Star Trek show!

[@empirejeff]

The original series had a animated show.

[@dswynne]

I felt that the girl's death was unnecessary. No where was there any indication that Riker could have not gotten someone to transport her into a holding cell.

[@DeltaAssaultGaming]

Yeah. Or just kept stunning her.

[@ElDuderino84]

Katrina, when are you going to wear the new Starfleet uniform that you showed us for Christmas?

[@Helbore]

I love Lower Decks, its the best Star Trek in years! But no way can Katrina watch it this early in her Trek relationship, as its absolutely loaded with continuity references, Pretty sure its made by the same guy behind Rick and Morty, too.

[@noeffortrandomness3182]

Paula you would be perfect for a hallmark Christmas movie maybe you should try to get in one for 2021

[@victorhuertas4685]

That cause it was all pre-inter-webs-existance when item and products were bought and sold thru the actual economics frame-model..in wich a potential buyer and seller relationship must 1st be established..like when CEO dads actually had to receive business partners visits,talk about the companies goals..have show-room displaying the product..etc.etc..so no fereing country would carelessly invest in and relatively new show until it got passed it 4 or 5th season..because almost no one would invest in a foreing show..that did not came with almost certain warranty of sucess and piont of viewers per investment..today, you can even make a show with minimum staff and tech..and broadcast it all the way ti Pataghonia..in a few days..thats the diference...back then rearly did you saw any show for 2 or 3 seasons..much less episodes..and then cancel..the shows at least got 1 confirmed season or 2--or never aired at all.

[@alexvokoun9272]

This was one of those episodes that bored me as a kid, but watching it just recently, it’s a better episode than I remembered it being.

[@jonathanross149]

Paula Deming in The Christmas Prince 3

[@nathanfitzgerald6651]

I'm almost 50 so I would also like to know exactly how Yuta didn't age a day in 50 years.....I would be happy to take her advice.

[@andyastrand]

Been waiting for you to get to the next episode

[@Esl1999]

This is one of the lower ranked episodes of the season. Since you two are already way ahead in terms of episodes compared to what you’re releasing, Katrina is aware of the better future episodes so there is no point to to tell her “stick with it”. She knows.

[@anthonymacewan1147]

Lower Decks is hilarious. But if you're planning on watching DS9 and Voyager you should wait. Otherwise you'd probably miss a bunch of jokes.

[@LordTelperion]

Nancy Parsons is so good as Sovereign Maruk.

[@TYTfan]

I love season 3 but I’ve always felt like this ep was the start of a group of eps that are super similar. Like variations on the theme of Picard dealing with violent splinter groups of civilization that appear more civilized then they are.

[@Sentry751]

Don't watch Lower Decks until after you finish TNG. There are spoilers. Honestly hope you just go into DS9 right after you finish TNG.

[@peterschmidt4348]

Stay healhy ! ❤️🖖

[@travisbounds4746]

The Kai! oh child.

[@kellykarjola5524]

Paula, that is the wrong Worm Hole? The Worm Hole that the 2 Ferengi went into is in a Voyager episode and those 2 Ferengi are n that episode.. But the Worm hole in Deep space Nine is not in the TNG episode "The Price"

[@georgewaterman1925]

Can we get a gallifrey gals apprartment tour?

[@ArtfromHell]

I thought the thumbnail had Wes in a wig at first glance.

[@seanred7681]

I just finished season 1 of Lower Decks - as with all the 'new' Trek shows in the past few years it seems to be divisive but I really enjoyed it.

[@pauld6967]

If you want an animated series, it is better to watch Star Trek: The Animated Series which is a follow-up to Star Trek: The Original Series with nearly the entire original cast. Lowered Expectations, oops, I mean Lower Decks, is undeserving of the ST label. Just like Duhscovery and Pretendcard.

[@bemasaberwyn55]

All Trek is at least mediocre (looking at Star Trek the soap opera airing between season 6 of TNG and season 5 of Voyager). New Trek has Rod serving as a producer of Short Treks, Discovery, Lower Decks, Picard, Strange New Worlds, Section 31, and Prodigy. I think Gene's son has SOME idea about his father's vision

[@pauld6967]

@@bemasaberwyn55 ...of course three of the shows you list are theoretical; announced but nothing actually in the can/broadcast.

[@bemasaberwyn55]

@@pauld6967 casting announcements, Twitter posts about stuff being filmed, discussions about stuff being recorded (when a certain actress was announced as being on Prodigy). But no you're right.....there's NOTHING on these new projects. Live long and prosper *insert sarcastic Vulcan salute*

[@FRACTUREDVISIONmusic]

Gene was against creating DS9, so they waited about two seconds after he died, then ta da, DS9!

[@DeltaAssaultGaming]

Gene was right