Reaction To Jan Böhmermann - das Erdogan Gedicht | German Satire

[@FlowDefoe]

it's important to know that Jan, prior to reading the poem, explains the difference between free speech and slander and says he will now, as an example, read a text (which was not from him originally) that would "not" be covered by these freedoms. Emphasising a few times that the following is hypothetical. Obviously the entire piece was aimed at "freedom of arts", which are defended very strongly in german courts due to our history. As you can read in other comments it sparked a month-long national debate and a partly censorship of the poem. There's more to it, even Angela Merkel was involved at some point and a strange law that's older than the 3rd Reich. It's worth googling.

[@chaosjoerg9811]

It's a bit deeper layered. The German justice system respects the idea that it is legal to make an example of illegal speech for purposes of reference. Because if you can't reference it, you can't make rules about it. That is what happened here. Before this case every law student was taught this. But rules are always up for the courts to interpret and they didn't quite share the same level of enthusiasm of this legal loophole as Boemermanns lawyers. They ruled in a civil law suit that Boemerman would not be permitted to repeat some of the phrases in that poem. The criminal court cases ruled in Boemermans favor. The explanation before the poem is integral to the legality of showing it and making a video with just the poem is highly problematic.

[@ralfp8844]

Yeah, the whole case showed some differences, of what counts as an violation of the law, and what doesn't. I therefore wouldn't count it as good example of what is allowed in germany, especially for satire.

[@lilithiaabendstern6303]

you mean the law of insult of majesty, which is part of the former monarchies, which prohibits to ridicule any crowned leader - and it was outlawed because of this very affair Jan Bömermann 😅

[@nonsensicalnonsense1035]

by the way, germany doesn't have freedom of speech, we have freedom of opinion. Therefore the 1st song is legal as it's a form of critique and a means to express one's opinion, but throwing around profanities like in the poem obviously is not.

[@Chuckiele]

@@nonsensicalnonsense1035 well, it is legal, if you use it as an example of showing whats illegal ;)

[@miniaturherkules3848]

FULL CONTEXT HERE: -First the song by extra3 was published -Erdogan found out about that an called upon the german embassador in Turkey to stop that -Böhmermann wanted to back up his "colleagues" at extra3 -he presented the boundaries of german satire (there are non) -he made the differences clear between satire and "Schmähkritik" (offensive commentary packaged as critique) -before the poem following he cleverly said:"the following is only to be seen as offensive (Schmähkritik) and thereby not ok, no satire. You cant just insult like...(proceeds with poem) -so Erdogan not only gets offended by this, he complerely misses the point. -erdogan tries to sue him based on a paragraph last used in the german imperial time.

[@fredforlautLP]

It is also worth noting, that as a result from this, the paragraph on "Majestätsbeleidung" was stripped.

[@pikkozoikum8523]

"-erdogan tries to sue him based on a paragraph last used in the german imperial time." which one was it? I mean, just because it's old, doesn't mean it's not valid. You shall not murder is a very old law and still a common law ^^

[@Chuckiele]

@@pikkozoikum8523 Majestätsbeleidigung.

[@miniaturherkules3848]

@@pikkozoikum8523 it was a Paragraph called "lèse-majesty" for insulting majesties. As germany no longer has them and the law was only applicable in Germany itself it could be no longer persued but remained in the books. After the Böhmermann incident it was deleted :)

[@miniaturherkules3848]

@@pikkozoikum8523 it was §103 of the criminal code, fyi

[@Medley3000]

My favorite anecdote about it is this: The German Bundestag (House of Commonns) discussed the case and the criminal paragraph Böhmermann mentioned about it. During the debate, the MP Detlef Seif quoted the poem in full to inform, as he said, all the MPs. Well, a verbatim record is made of every session of the Bundestag, typed on paper and archived forever in the Federal Archives. I.e. the poem can now be read forever. This is the best memory of Mr. Erdogan ever! 🤩

[@StinkyHeXoR]

That's great. I didn't know that. Big fan of the Streisand Effect also! 😊

[@finn.2411]

Just looked it up and it's hilarious that it's officially part of the protocol of this specific Bundestag session: dserver.bundestag.de/btp/18/18170.pdf (Page 44)

[@felszi1043]

the bundestag is just a parliament bro

[@chaosjoerg9811]

Having the poem quoted without context is like listening to the punch line of a joke without listening to the joke first.

[@Alias_Anybody]

Böhmermann's point was basically that after Erdogan was really butthurt over the first, arguably super harmless song (in terms of language and insults) he'd show what actually crosses the line from free speech into personal insult territory by German law. He literally started with a disclaimer "THIS would actually be an insult, here my demonstration".

[@Peh84]

Yep, and some focused on the poem itself and taking it out of context.

[@ArneBab]

more precisely: THIS would actually be illegal. So don’t do what I’ll show you now.

[@pyrointeam]

Also this video clip not only cut out the context, but the moment he is saying, "this is what you must not say" subtitles are magically missing.

[@Alias_Anybody]

@@ArneBab Yeah. The whole thing is basically meta commentary on the nature of free speech in Germany, with the added benefit of mocking a powerful douchebag in an over the top fashion.

[@MichaelBurggraf-gm8vl]

To be honest Böhmermann was making his point clear with a really terrible and seriously insulting poem. That said it's a case that's making me proud of our country because we've been steadfast against Erdogan's attempts to take influence on and reduce the liberties in our country.

[@fromgermany271]

The song was actually a #3 hit in Germany in 1984 fron Nena. Long ago and people who where young then are now about to retire. It was part of the (outgoing) German New Wave area. Böhmermann was at first convicted using a law, that made it somehow over from the times of the German Empire, about not making jokes on the emporer, in this case a foreign one. The law was immediately dropped by Parlament, but it was also the reason why Böhmermann was trying the challenge. As foreseeable, the Emporer failed the test.

[@ThePetaaaaa]

Yes the song is by Nena just with a different lyrics. Maybe he should review some of her songs next? 99 red balloons, …

[@andrebrodbeck3883]

Was it red Baloons or air baloons? auf deutsch heißt der Song doch auch 99 Luftballons nicht rote ballons

[@aenwynsnow2828]

Nena recorded an English version which was actually called 99 red baloons. I was a teenager in the 80s and am still at least 12 years from retirement....

[@LiebeGruesse]

This choice of song which is kinda old certainly added up to provoke NMR team to reply with “their” kind of humor 😂

[@mklobedanz]

@@aenwynsnow2828 That's what i thought. I was 10 and have 18 years to go, so maybe he is referring to mid to late 20s

[@chcucivtxzclccucifudohzfu6766]

The poem was created to show what satire isn’t allowed to say. Since Erdogan went crazy on the song which is guaranteed via freedom of speech Böhmermann created the poem to give an example on what isn’t guaranteed via freedom of speech. It became a court case and Böhmermann claimed it had to be understood as a piece of art in its context which the court followed by the most part. But it also ruled it’s illegal to repeat the poem as any repetition would lack the informing context and would just be straight insults.

[@enemdisk6628]

Thanks. Good explanation. 👍

[@jojojimys]

it wasnt satire, satire is funny. what he did is just disgusting ... its like say somthing about ur mom and some black guys and stuff and tell u "hey, dont be angry, its just satire" we all feel exactly what is wrong and what is right and if we listen to our soul we know it was totall wrong ...

[@grumpycat2092]

@@jojojimys have you really read the comment? The first sentence in that comment exactly told you that the poem without context is not satire and not legal to repeat. What he did was an example of whats illegal - not a try to be funny.

[@MustYouHaveAUsername]

@@jojojimys But you (or anyone else) do not dictate what is funny or not. There is no definition of what is art or not. Art can be crass and you don't have to like it.

[@jojojimys]

@@MustYouHaveAUsername yes, the low decides for u what is hate speech, so if its hate speech then it can't be funny. i dont like it but it is what it is. what i dont like about all this bömermann shit, is, that they have double standards. if someone would write something like that about angela merkel, he would be in big trouble ...

[@nicodiangelo1168]

Erdogan Said that the song by Extra3 was illegal which it isn’t in Germany with press freedom. Then Jan Böhmermann wrote this poem to „show“ Erdogan what would actually be illegal in Germany. In Germany it is actually forbidden to this day because it is ruled to be insulting and untrue

[@srccde]

It's not "forbidden" per sé. Some phrases cannot be repeated in public but other parts of the poem remain untouched. Also, the ban is purely meant for public displays. You can have a laugh at it with friends with no repercussions.

[@rakete85]

Exactly. It's important to point that without context, the poem would be illegal, but since he prefaced it by essentially saying: "Extra3 is well within freedom of speech. Illegal would be this:" he got away with it.

[@chemistry4221]

That Poem was such a big thing xD

[@YellowBunny]

unlike Erdogan's thing

[@pascalplenge1882]

​@@YellowBunnyit is enough for his goat

[@chemistry4221]

@@YellowBunny True true

[@heinrich6294]

@@pascalplenge1882 to c*m in Erdogan's throat. (This is just to show what is non satire and what is illegal, this is no satire. It is false and not funny)

[@michaelraasch5496]

Catchy song indeed. This sets me back in time. The original is: NENA | Irgendwie Irgendwo Irgendwann [Official Music Video]

[@lynnm6413]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pX6rfZ6ZmJ58b8Usi=Z_7SxAi4lQyFHxfh

[@Therawpy]

She sang it also in Egnlish, Anyplace Anywhere Anytime, with Kim Wilde.

[@MarcLucksch]

Same band that did 99 red Ballons (99 Luftballons)

[@alexgibsonde]

This poem was specifically designed to show, what wouldn't be covered by freedom of speech in Germany. So the main point was in the context of that extra3 song: "That is just regular satire and there's nothing you can do about it. Just so you understand, what satire is and isn't allowed to do in Germany I'm showing you an example for something, that wouldn't be allowed." In the video you've watched, there was just the poem, which really doesen't do the whole piece of satire justice. He makes it clear a few times through out the piece, that IF he were to perform a poem like this, that would be illegal. I think he later compared it to what a professor at law school might do, in order to explain the difference betweeen legal satire and actual slander.

[@insertaverygenericnamehere]

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[@Zocktan]

The poem and the introduction go hand in hand, as in the introduction, Böhmermann points out that the poem precisely shows what one must not say. That is the joke of the matter.

[@jojojimys]

ok, so i can say anything i want and then just say "hey, this is not what u should say" and then its ok? maaan, thats stupid af.

[@HansTheGeek]

@@jojojimysWe have independent courts here that determine if an action was legal.

[@Red_Phantom_269]

​@@jojojimyswe have a verry big problem with the nazis in us country. Us Courts says: the extreme right party ,,afd" can be described with the wordls nazi and fasicm, because it's not for make angry or becaue a person lie, its litally easy the truth, and so free to say. In the Past with the a#shole Hitler was all controlled what do you say. So have we tends to be the decision to say its ok, and its better as nothing to say. Wish us luck to figthing verses the modern nazis. the other europain countrys be are in the youngest past fallen ( as exemple italy). Hope we not. And hopely was the text good to read. I from German and me english is not the yellow of the egg😅

[@carstekoch]

​@@jojojimys Kind of. If you present it as a hypothetical to show off the differences between a legal and an illegal form of satire you can. If you just have it as a stand alone piece, it will very likely fail.

[@8mileshigh]

​@@jojojimysHow would you illustrate the difference between a legal and an illegal utterance if not by using examples ? If you frame it as examples that shouldn't be a problem. Context matters

[@bema1908]

Even the USA knew about Jan Böhmermann after his "Schmähgedicht". He also wanted to show, that in Germany satire has all freedoms and is not censored - in contrast to Turkey. He was sued for using a rather old law "Majestätsbeleidigung" (i.e. lèse-majesty). Böhmermann won and the old law was canceled afterwards.

[@gajustempus]

bear in mind, even in US television, almost half of the content would have been bleeped away (as was just done when quoting some points here on YT as well). So much for "land of the free" over there...

[@ilksral3815]

He though lost a cease and desist lawsuit against Erdoğan and isn't allowed tobrecite three quarters of his poem anymore.

[@ArneBab]

@@ilksral3815 Which funnily enough shows that what he said was factually correct. If Böhmermann had won completely, then his show would have given false information which would have been pretty bad satire ☺

[@freaktopianexile2083]

I think part of the point he made was also about the consequences - in Germany, legally you are not allowed to insult people, but technically you can, and the worst thing that happens is it gets taken to court, you're fined some money and, in cases of libel, you have to publicly retract your statement. I mean, let's be human, sometimes you *do* feel the need to do or say something that's technically and legally an insult. For instance, in driving school we were warned to react to other drivers' actions with the "windshield wipers"-gesture or tapping our finger to our forehead (both meaning "you're an idiot!" - and that's an insult), because theoretically you could get sued for insult as a consequence. Still, worst thing that happens here is a fincancial slap on the wrist, so if you don't mind the money then go ahead and vent some steam. You won't be spending any time in jail for it, you won't get any corporeal punishment in public and you're not risking your life if you're insulting someone with political power, as it is the case in some other places. So, in this case, it was an absolutely failsafe win for Böhmi before the show even aired. He got to have some fun by reading out this wonderfully poetical piece, then all hell broke loose and hilarious chaos ensued. A lot of people who didn't know his name before now do, and any legal consequences he had to have had anticipated were not worth the mention.

[@ArneBab]

@@freaktopianexile2083 you won’t be spending time in jail - except if you are poor.

[@pascalwolf6132]

A quick recommendation here, if you want to dive deeper in the freedom of speech and the artistic freedom in Germany: "Das ist alles von der Kunstfreiheit gedeckt" by Danger Dan. He and his team sat hours and hours with lawyers before releasing this song, as he wanted to point out and push the boundaries of what can or cannot be said.

[@walterottodr.1064]

This even ended up on the desk of Angela Merkel at the time. Erdogan tryed to force her to take actions against the poem and Böhmermann.

[@DevSolar]

...funny because the German Chancelor has no power whatsoever to do such a thing. Because Germany is not a dictatorship. ;-)

[@MusikCassette]

@@DevSolar not exactly true though. Erdogan did not just use German diffarmation laws. But an old law from the Bismark era, that was still on the books "insulting of a foreign leader". And in those cases that lawsuit needed the chancellors to go forward.

[@DevSolar]

@@MusikCassette You are a stickler for "exactly true", why not *be* exactly true? There were two paragraphs of German law at play here: - § 185 (Insult), - § 103 (Insulting Institutions and Representatives of Foreign States) Both of these are only persecuted if someone actually asks for it. Erdogan himself asked for persecution under § 185. § 103 (together with § 102 Attacking Institutions and Representatives of Foreign States, and § 104 Destroying Flags and Symbols of Foreign States) requires the Foreign State in question to have diplomatic relations with Germany, and (again) _ask for persecution_. All Merkel did here was confirming that such a request was filed by Turkey. She could neither _initiate_ persecution under § 103, nor could she _deny_ such persecution once it was requested. Again, the German Chancellor does not have that kind of power.

[@MusikCassette]

@@DevSolar she could have denied persecution under §102/103. That one is a question of Diplomacy. She did not have anything to say about persecution under §185.

[@gandalf_thegrey]

​@@DevSolaryou mention paragraphs but not what book they come from

[@MrFreezeYo]

I love that you are an intelligent young men. Your reactions really add something to the originals, also you are doing research before and even during your reactions - absolutely great, one can feel you really want to learn something new and you really enjoy german satire. Please keep going in this direction, your reactions get better and better.

[@ogochuwuku]

In the whole segment of the show before the actual poem he always mentioned, that THESE passages are so hard, that it is justified to be prosecuted by the justice. He wanted to show that there is a difference between satire (the song you listened to first for which the german ambassador in Turkey was called to talk to Erdogan) and actual hatespeech and harrassment.

[@jojojimys]

ok, so with ur logic i can say now somthing about ur mom, some realy discusting stuff and then i can tell "see, its hurts, right?!" and then it would be totall ok? thats just stupid ...

[@FutureChaosTV]

@@jojojimys Wrong. It is called freedom of arts and it has nothing to do with your private life. Also, Erdogan is a public figure on not a grandmother. He is a killer, a dictator and a mass murderer. He should be punished far worse than by some harmless poem!

[@FOG703]

@@jojojimysrelaxing comprehension of a tomato

[@MustYouHaveAUsername]

@@jojojimys Who gives a shit about what some stranger says about your mom? They have no idea who your mom is. It's literally the same as calling you a "meany poopyface". It's just words meant to manipulate you and it's up to you if you let them or not. If you take offence so easily than it's a you problem. It's all ego and false sense of honor and no brain. When random people insulted my mom in the past I just laughed at them because they are low IQ idiots. "Your mom" is literally an internet meme because it's such a stupid way to insult someone.

[@konstruktivismuskonstru9360]

@@jojojimys Your example doesn't fit. The tactic of Böhmermann is quite clever. Stating "X" might be illegal and pure hate speech. But formulating it as "I am not allowed to state X" is a different statement, because it now can be interpreted as an explanation, what you are not allowed to do.

[@redre4mer469]

The poem was to show the difference between freedom of speech and insulting criticism ("Schmähkritik" in german) wich is not allowed in germany because of the insulting in it. But Böhmermann has read this after he made clear the song from extra 3 was freedom of speech and his poem was an example for what is not allowed. Only because he made clear the poem will only be an example for something you can´t say freely (and he said in the poem twice, that such wording isn´t allowed) he was able read on tv. He got many death threats and had to "flee" in the USA for some time.

[@lockpickingparamedic2136]

After this "poem" Böhmermann got sued by Erdogan under the german Law of diffirmation of a forein leader. This § got erased after this. He was not allowed to repeat the poem.

[@Anson_AKB]

yes, there was a really ancient (100+ years old) law that was still valid, that was intended to protect royalty and other foreign leaders from any critical opinion. as a result of this poem, it was decided very quickly that such a law would no longer be appropriate when it protected only a specific group of people, and thus that law was completely removed from the law books. but it was also found that foreign leaders, just like every normal person anywhere in the world, has the right to go to courts in case of feeling insulted. and then it has to be decided by the court whether there is a real punishable insult, or whether there is enough context that makes it parody, satire, or any other kind of statement that is or isn't seen as insult.

[@Rezzatoni]

If Erdogan would have asked as a private person for criminal prosecution, Böhmermann most likely would have been convicted to some small punishment like a fine. But Erdogan insisted on being insulted as a state leader and refused to act as a normal person. This forced the german department of justice to decide wether or not the specific rule was still in line with our understanding of democracy and rule of law; it turned out it wasn't ...

[@TheRascalHasSpirit]

One pun somehow got lost in translation: The satirical song, which is based on a hit by Nena as many have pointed out already, actually goes "Erdowie, Erdowo, Erdowahn", with Wahn meaning madness. This is also more in line with the original song title. As for the complex legal background to the case, I recommend the KZbin channel WBS Legal, which has covered this subject in several videos.

[@Catzer111]

At the time, my school performed a play with several independent student groups. The subject should have been about fables and an fairy tales, so nothing political. My group and I decided to "misinterpret" the assignment and perform a political and satirical play titled "Erdogan's fairy tale: A democratic Turkey" in front of teachers and students, without their knowledge of it beforehand. When it was our turn, I played Erdogan making a deal with the devil (devil = goat 🤭) and of course, marrying and then killing the goat to become the devil himself. We even read Böhmermann's poem and our principal left the performance so he didn't have to punish us for reading an edgy poem you could be reported for. Most of the teachers were shocked, and almost everybody gave really negative feedback, calling it disgusting and distasteful. But I still see it as a very dark but passionate plea for democracy and human rights.

[@kintsoogee]

I think I found Böhmermann's successor!

[@MockUPie]

Some satire has its rightful place but easily turns into something purely primitive and distasteful when repeated by others. Sorry.

[@kintsoogee]

@@MockUPie While I don't disagree, I will say that satire is nothing but a form of art, so the ways it can be interpreted are endless! I've seen people who called Böhmermann's poem "too much" and "distasteful" and it's true! It truly was! But it was supposed to be!

[@JblackSupportTeam]

In your video you put the context right. Chronologically, the *extra 3* song came first. Erdogan complained. Thereafter, *Jan B.* highlighted why the song is completely legal in Germany and explained what would be illegal - the poem. Then Erdogan went mad. It's the Barbra Streisand effect as well ... Erdogan's reaction gave this piece even more publicity, internationally.

[@jojojimys]

it was just disgusting. its like rape someone and say "hey u see?! this is what u shouldnt do" stupid, fu cking stupid ...

[@sachmetmuller1298]

The satirical song, which has lyrics about Erdogan here, was not composed specifically for this purpose, but is originally a pop song by Nena (the one with the 99 red balloons) that is very well known in Germany and is called "Irgendwie, irgendwo, irgendwann" ("Somehow, somewhere, sometime") That then became "Erdowie, Erdowo, Erdowahn", and "Wahn" means "madness".

[@Xizile93]

They made an English version of the song actually, it's called "Anyplace, anywhere, anytime".

[@MRegah]

such a great satire stunt. AND: I highly recomomend everyone to watch the first Neo Magazin episode after the incident. It's a masterpiece of TV production and hitting really hard in the way it makes you dizzy and leaves you confused, representing all the mayham that followed the poem.

[@godmode8687]

You also have a link, a name or anything?

[@3VILTW1N]

The way the look on your face changed during the poem's first lines is just divine 🤣

[@Pfefferhaubitze]

The point was, that Turkish journalists were imprisoned for "Insulting the President". One of them was boss of Cum Hürriyet Can Dündar. And Jan Böhmermann brought an example, what would be "Insulting the President". This is not his mind, he distanced himself from this poem. The poem has the name "Smähkritik". Böhmermann did also some things, where I didn't fully agree, but this one was terrific. Really on the point. Erdogan defined when people write about corruption, this is "Insulting the President". Böhmermann showed, what would really be "Insulting the President". And he was absolutely right.

[@fizzycola123]

first of all, I love your content! It's nice seeing people realising that germans do have a funny bone in them. :D (well, sometimes) and this poem caused our former chancellor Angela Merkel to intervene and "apologize" for Jan Böhmermann. And this lawsuit gave a small dick energy-impression for many people. So Böhmermann was right :D

[@Sammler84]

Es ist so schön deine Freunde über uns deutsche zu sehen 😊

[@basslastig7456]

The poem is also in the archives of the German Bundestag. A member of parliament recited the entire poem, and thus the "Schmähgedicht" is part of the recent history of the Federal Republic.

[@chheinrich8486]

and the last words you can hear before the speaker is telling the poem is someone saying "this will be fun"🤣🤣🤣

[@Vemperor666]

I usually skip reaction KZbinrs, but I accidentaly stumbled upon one of your videos and even subscribed after bingewatching you a few hours, wich makes you the only reaction youtuber on my list. 😀I love the fact that you go deep into the material but don't make it a show about yourself only like most others - And I must confess I love that accent 😛 When you want to go deeper into Böhmermanns Material, I would suggest the "Homöopathie wirkt*" video mocking homeopathy, which is still completely legal and even sold in pharmacies here in Germany. I don't want to spoil more, but this is the one I loved most from Böhmi.

[@svenja491]

You should also check out a song from Danger Dan its called "Das ist alles von der Kunstfreiheit gedeckt", its a song about the freedom of art. The artist uses this song to call out a few people and encourages them to sue him because its all covered by the freedom of art. Jan Böhmerman also did a video about it.

[@KT-ml9mt]

Danger Dan's song is an excellent suggestion for your reaction Mert (imho)

[@LX00666]

I loved the way that the 2 guys created this conversation of what are the boundaries of free speech / arts while consistently showcasing what NOT to do. Jan was seriously in trouble after that but it was greatly set up in the show.

[@lilybliblablubb5023]

You may not have noticed this, but all extra 3 songs are based on popular songs, this one for example is based off of "Irgendwie, irgendwo, irgendwann" by Nena, both part of the lyrics and the whole melody have been taken from it because that's faster than making a new one, considering the show airs every week and production time is limited

[@Marc310380]

The Neo Magazin Royale featuring that poem was released on my 36th birthday :)

[@enemdisk6628]

German satire is savage man. Thanks for introducing me to this. Wow.

[@djmstern]

This poem just makes sense if you watch the full part of the episode and listen carefully what he says BEFORE and AFTER the poem. It was kind of ironic, because he wanted to point out what is legal in Germany (the song) and what isn’t (a „Schmähkritik“, like this clearly offensive poem).

[@NaiiFluur]

In the UK the spectator magazine reacted to Böhmermanns state affair by holding an "offensive poetry competition" which incidentally was won by a certain Boris Alexander de Pfeffel Johnson.

[@MarcLucksch]

Sachen gibt’s, die gibt’s nicht…

[@FutureChaosTV]

Which is no wonder since Big Butt Johnson's whole existence is offensive to anyone with half a brain!

[@kimiOfDieLinke]

Correctly depicted. Erdogan used a very old German paragraph (§103), which prohibits insulting majesties to sue Böhmermann. Böhmermann stated, that satire and free speech is protected by the law - both arguments were valid back then. However, the German Parliament scratched §103 in the poem's aftermath. The point Böhmermann tried to make was, that freedom of speech and protection of journalists should be granted by any real constitutional democracy and should have priority over a public figure feeling insulted.

[@amurtigress_mobile365]

On a side note, paragraph 103 was even abolished after this affair. It hasn't been invoked since 1949 if I remember correctly. So they did away with it

[@ArneBab]

Note that this poem is officially (decided by a German court) illegal to show without the proper context. The video of the poem you used excludes the introduction which says that the poem is intended to show what’s illegal. I hope that with the song before the poem and with reporting for a foreign audience, the context is strong enough. If you should get a strike on this, I would suggest not pressing it.

[@ArneBab]

The poem alone is not Satire by court decision. It is actually illegal in Germany to show this poem, because it is personal slander.

[@Tystros]

he doesn't have to care about what any German law or German court says, he's not German

[@ralfp8844]

​@@TystrosGood point. Better for him not to get too much attention by Erdogan and his busy bunch of concrete barons. Maybe they sue him in great britain.

[@ArneBab]

@@Tystros Assuming that he does not want to travel to Germany at some point. But naturally that only applies if he actually gets sued by German law. I’m not sure whether Erdogan (not being a German citizen) can sue a British person by German law now that the Insult Majesty paragraph is gone (thanks to Böhmermann).

[@ArneBab]

@@ralfp8844 I would worry that British rules on insulting a king could be harsher. But that said: it’s actually reporting on what someone in another country did - maybe that protects him.

[@hartpuckern]

Not only Böhmi. Look for some Extra 3 videos too. Amazingly funny and on point. Love that show.

[@BaDw0lf577]

The poem served exclusively to show Erdogan what is allowed in Germany (The extra3 song) and what is not. Its an example of what you can't say, so that Erdogan understand the difference between satire and insult. The satire behind it is more like reading the poem out loud (which would be forbidden) than the explicit content of it.

[@hschmidt79]

I really enjoyed watching your Face when the hard hits landed on little Erdo... 😂

[@dpunktgehpunkt5876]

6:45 :D :D Mert this was VERY FUNNY explained by your side at this point :D while you mentioned like even... "when erdogan was poking at germany for that satire, Böhmerman just set up for the final punch" :D this was like the poetry of verbal innihilation by the germans poets and thinkers :D (made by the german freedom of speech and arts to make that point clear again) after that Böhmermann just cleaned up his shoulders, smiled and set down again :D so true :D and such a funny imagination :D

[@sachenmachen2594]

And extra3 is a weekly show in NDR, the public TV station of northern Germany (part of the ARD)

[@fillipdavid2715]

If you are interested in the original song at the beginning, it's called "Irgendwie, irgendwo, irgendwann" by Nena. It's pretty catchy.

[@ChristianRosenhagen]

It's "Erdowie - Erdowo - Erdowahn" Wahn means crazy.

[@philburmeister3427]

More like delusion.

[@Quisl]

Btw its a cover of the song "NENA - Irgendwie · Irgendwo · Irgendwann" from year 1984

[@dasmaurerle4347]

One of the best examples to explain the Streisand effect. Erdogan officially contacted the German government to take legal action against him. I guess that's all one needs to know about the state of the free press in Turkey... The Song was 'Irgendwie Irgendwo Irgendwann' by Nena, btw😊

[@deniskramer3562]

I think that German satire always is a thing in the world. I remember a short film from the 80s, where Ayatollah Khomeni, the leader of Iran, was shown throwing sexy underwear to a big group of jubilant iranian women, which lead to a diplomatic crisis between Germany and Iran.

[@andreasfischer9158]

But thas was Dutch satire. Or Dutch/German (Rudi Carrell).

[@deniskramer3562]

@@andreasfischer9158 It was a German show. But yes, Rudi Carell was dutch.

[@TheGrizzle420]

You‘ve gotta watch the video of Böhmermann where he makes fun about Austria and former Austrian president Kurz! It‘s hilarious and so informative!

[@76driver]

If it would be informative you would know, that Kurz never was president. What you might know now, is what Böhmermann want's you to think. This is how Böhmermann works nowadays: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z4rNoISCmd-qj9ksi=83JM6Uyht_00kk3l

[@raistraw8629]

Yes, and he also insulted the people of the whole country of Austria, what a great guy.

[@76driver]

Sadly, insulting people is what Böhmermann gets paid for@@raistraw8629

[@ivomusician]

Jan Böhmerman is a treasure!

[@qualitaet01]

You should really have a look at the Varoufakis middle finger thing. He was taking a dig at fake and badly researched news. Very smart and very meta. One of his very best pieces to date.

[@tokiosoldier41]

I remember this stuff going through the media. The biggest part for me was that a president is so naive and reacting to it publicly 😂 I'm sure there are hundreds of very harsh poems about political leaders

[@pwrm8721]

Just thought about this situation again, coincidentally you just made a video about it, LOL!

[@Banis1234]

Yeeeess! 😂 Check out his other 'pranks' too! As always, loving your analyzes and fun watching you react to it. :D

[@Samcaracha]

The first song is a parody of Nena's (known for "99 red Balloons"): "Irgendwie, irgendwo, irgendwann", translates to "Anyplace, anywhere, anytime".

[@svenlohse4840]

Ich schaue mir jede Sendung von Böhmermann an also empfehle ich dir mehr davon zu zeigen

[@fluffymarshmallow2881]

Hey there! They song they used to do this parody is by a very successful German singer called "Nena"😊 The og name is "irgendwie, irgendwo, irgendwann" if you would like to check it out. Nena also did a collab version of this song with the British singer Kim Wilde, that version is half German half English and the beats are more electronic, unlike the 80s version🙈 Go check it out if you would like to! Edit: personally, I like the collab version better because I prefer those beats and it sounds like a smoother production to me🫣 Gotta admit that the English lyrics aren't that great though🤕

[@tillsiebenvier8766]

Original kzbin.info/www/bejne/pX6rfZ6ZmJ58b8U +Kin Wilde kzbin.info/www/bejne/omnCaaKbfNyZpLM

[@Thraim.]

That poem started an international incident, but through a strong showing of the judicial system, it was laid to rest. PS: He mentions how you're not allowed to say these things multiple times during the poem. I don't know why those parts were left untranslated. Straight insults are not allowed in Germany.

[@mariahohenocker8215]

I realy enjoy your reactions😊 maybe you can react to other songs from jan böhmermann? I think yu would like die versandsoldaten.

[@MayorofPainsvilleDAN]

extra3 is actually the oldest still running satire show in Germany. It is aired on NDR and the ARD/Das Erste (The First german program) both public owned TV stations.

[@alicemilne1444]

One thing that is important here is that there is a sizable minority in Germany of German-born Turks who have voting rights in Turkey. A fair number of German Turks are more conservative than the majority of Turks in Turkey, and Erdoğan has tried to hold campaign speeches in Germany to get the German Turks on his side. At the time Böhmermann and Extra3 were broadcasting, a prominent German-Turkish journalist was in prison in Turkey.

[@SE86]

Do you know that joke about the Turkish prison library? The one where the librarian says: “I’m sorry, we do not have that book available. But if you’re interested, we do have the author.”

[@Attirbful]

the song is based on Nena’s “Irgendwie, irgendwo, irgendwann” from 1984 which she released again as the duet “Anyplace, anywhere, anytime” with Kim Wilde in 2002.

[@Timbuk24]

I like your pronunciation of Erdo-one👍😁 Well, it was a one minute Blitzkrieg

[@3VILTW1N]

Maybe you're interested in one more clip from heute show, look up "Lutz van der Horst verkauft den Briten Schmuggelware" - no subtitles needed! 😎

[@normanroscher7545]

Well, the poem was part of a "discussion" of freedom of press, and shown to be a "hypothetical example of what would not be okay to do." While there where some whiners, most Germans had a good laugh about it and fully supported Bömermann, when Erdogan actually sued him. He won in court by the way and was cleared of all charges.

[@l.c.899]

The original Song is from Nena, its called: irgendwie, irgendwo, irgendwann

[@BS-eh1zf]

Oh you got a doctored video here. The poem was commented in the show with the hint that they'll show what is not covered by freedom of speech in comparison to the extra3 song. Those comments were (badly) cut out. - You hear it also in his voice. That's not original.

[@Cocachin123]

Böhmermann and his team also made a lot of really good music videos parodying various genres that often have a whole lot of cultural references packed into the lyrics. Especially the videos under his musical alter ego POL1Z1STENS0HN. You'd basically need cultural footnotes for just about every line of some of these songs.

[@madelapi]

Definetely love Jan Böhmermann! His show is now called ZDF Magazin Royale, he moved to Prime Time at one of the main german TV channels :) Love love love him

[@Rrljaxa]

It was polarizing back then. Like Erdogan is himself. There is a big amount of people who adore him, many from Türkiye, most people were shocked by the news about his actions and had the feeling, he was more ruling germany than Merkel was. And then the poem came. Böhmermann was a little show back then, as aired very late, so it was only for a small group of people, who watched him. Next day everyone knew his name. Erdogan asked for a trial and to deliver him to the Türkiye, just like a present and a sign of loyality. First we thought, that this ought to be a joke, as in the Türkiye there were groups of people, which burnt strawdolls with Merkels face and she never reacted on that or asked for forbidness. It was back then, when she said, that it was Böhmermanns fault and if he had to go to the court, she wouldn't stand in the way. So it was a time, when you suddenly didn't feel safe anymore, until he was spoken safe & sound... and didn't stop doing his show as he did before.

[@Matetho93]

Your face! 😂😂😂 So shocked. British politeness meets german hardcore satire 😂

[@lordvader7624]

Your speaking of the "Ö" is very good. I know that this ist very hard for non german speakers.

[@donmeles7711]

I always wanted to recap on these contexts as I missed all of this. Thanks!

[@Herr_Damit]

Song is Nena: Irgenwie, Irgendwo, Irgendwann. Very nostalgic. Same one who made "99 Luftballons". Extra3 has songs every week now, they are pretty good. Böhmermann did some really good reports on German trash-TV, that was the reason I started watching him.

[@muellerhans]

When Erdogan (Erdowahn, heh) was outraged about the extra 3 song, extra 3 re-showed the song at the beginning of their next show but with turkish subtitles.

[@TomTomson81]

You know Nena's hit 99 balloons? Her song (irgendwie irgendwo irgendwann) somehow, somewhere, at some point, was her second greatest. That was also the basis for the Erdogan song.

[@five-peace]

This always also reminds me of the song "Das ist alles von der Kunstfreiheit gedeckt" (it's all covered by artistic freedom) from Danger Dan lol

[@heinwein421]

German Satire is and was allways get to the bottom and rip it apart 😂😂❤

[@TheYasmineFlower]

One thing to know is that extra3 songs are based on popular songs, using the same music but writing lyrics to comment on current events in Germany. The Erdogan song, for example, is based on Irgendwie, Irgendwo, Irgendwann by Nena, which also has a half-English version with Kim Wilde called Anyplace, Anywhere, Anytime. You could make some videos reacting to the extra3 songs, they have a large collection!

[@NSA.Monitored.Device]

Germany has a large Turkish diaspora and of course some of them were enraged. But their status is not comparable to minorities in the UK, because of the deep rooting German racism they are still treated as second class citizen. So when they complain when being treated unequally or being insulted, usually the first reaction (from mid to right wing parties) is to question their "true nationality" and "recommend" them to think twice "where they really belong", killing the debate with whataboutism.

[@ArneBab]

The actual video *with* the required context is NEO MAGAZIN ROYALE vom 31.03.2016

[@yeetyeet7070]

Böhmermanns statement on his own channel afterwards is even better than the satire, he also sings the song from monty python's life of brian in it :')

[@soliw1638]

Extra 3 is great, they usually focus on local topics/issues, but their “realer Irrsinn“ segments are great for probably anyone 😂

[@feuerkugelfischyt7109]

long not watched that one, was fun to see again :D

[@oleplanthafer7034]

Deliberately waaaaay over the top, with few credible statements. Just to show "we can, if we want to". 🍾🍻

[@titnicmclaible8183]

Hello there. ErdoWAHN. Sounds like ErdoGAN. But it's a pun. It means something like ErdoINSANE. Greetings.

[@jkb2016]

Extra 3 is quite close to heute show. They share some writing staff and therefore, occasionally, jokes. Chrisrian Ehring, casually guest on hs, is presenter of Extra 3. A notable standard routine of X3 is "Realer Irrsinn" (real madness) where they expose nonsensical beureaucratic regulations and interview people who have to suffer them =).

[@thomaskruck4474]

This was a genius coup by Jan Böhmermann. I would also say that he had quite some influence on Austria by his satire about the former chancellor Sebastian Kurz (showing how Kurz is pushing Austria on a track to autocracy). Böhmermann's impact is now demonstrated again by ex BSI president Schönbohm who is suing Böhmermann because of incorrect claims. As if a satire show was the news! Böhmermann will use this, you can bet!

[@GerHanssen]

I appreciate your pronunciation, especially of the German words. They are so correct.

[@Giesing-tp9dj]

You should react to "be deutsch" by jan böhmermann 😃

[@WieTHE0]

I loved how EVERY Comedian stood up for him saying that personaly they think this poem is tasteless and terrible but in the context and under the rules of Satire it MUST be allowed.

[@gastonkawitzke3272]

Erdogan was pissed. He considered chancellor Angela Merkel to sentence him. And that is the point he(böhmermann) wa ted to reach. Freedom of speech...

[@H4hT53]

Your face when Böhmi started going is just...priceless.

[@jorgemayerhof5684]

I watched this scene several times too 🙂

[@Kiyuja]

Extra3 is kind of a big deal in the satire space. They are famous for uncovering insane stories, mostly of failure throughout Germany in their Format "Realer Irrsinn" (real insanity), they also cover songs in a satiric manner, as you just saw. Extra3 is THE show that got me hooked on political satire, soon to be followed by Volker Pispers. Huge recommendation

[@understandingnothing2445]

This poem is not about the poem itself. It's about what is allowed to say and what is not and in what context. It's not about the content of the poem's words at all, the poem just isn't good either. But, of course, the conflict, the affront to Erdogan, is deliberately chosen. You have to watch the whole show. Jan Böhmermann uses this example to show what can be said legally if it is only put forward in a certain context. The whole thing is also a big criticism of German politics, which kowtows to Erdogan, for example when he complained about this song you have listen to.

[@haenselw]

hello, first of all thumbs up for your channel. it's a pleasure to watch as a german. the original song is called "irgenwie, irgendwo, irgendwann" and is by the band "nena" from 1984. you can listen to it, it sounded like you liked it. greetings

[@waynehampson9569]

Nena was more than a band. Gabriele Susanne Kerner had the nickname since she was three.

[@CoL_Drake]

oh yes xD böhmerman was once on a swedish or norwegian talkshow talking about it xD getting angry about it was the best erdogan could have ever done xD and yes he got a court case because it was illegal in germany to flame foreign leaders by an VERY OLD law from i dont know german empire or whatever xD we got rid of the law since xD

[@mizapf]

The origin of the Extra 3 song is Nena's "Irgendwie, irgendwo, irgendwann" (Somehow, somewhere, sometime) from 1984, and since Erdoğan sounds a bit like "Erdowan", they coined this cover as "Erdowie - Erdowo - Erdowan".

[@uberdenwolken4564]

Whole Germany loved it. :)