Reaction To Why Finland Has $100,000 Speeding Fines

Reaction To Why Finland Has $100,000 Speeding Fines
This is my reaction to Why Finland Has $100,000 Speeding Fines
In this video I react to an interesting documentary on Finland's interesting strategy on implementing fines for different crimes.
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[@penaarja]

This is sooo fine. If You earn miilions or More, wtf 500 euros mean To those peoples

[@GoofyGoober713]

And the buisness men start to hire drivers because it’s cheaper than the possibility of a ticket.

[@hazeman4755]

I support the day fine system. It's really unfair to have a fixed fine for everyone, because a rich person then doesn't have to care about all smaller offenses because they can easily pay their way out of them. I agree that it always sounds like the US Americans have all kinds of excuses why things wouldn't work there. Even if they have positive results from pilot programs, they never seem to fully adopt anything new. I don't know, but I suspect it's their ultra capitalist system that talks, someone is not making enough money out of some new policy so they won't adopt it.

[@bujin1977]

I've always said that fines should be proportional to income, as it is no incentive to someone who earns £1m a year to be fined £100, but to someone on minimum wage, £100 is a very significant amount of money. I certainly don't see the UK adopting this any time soon, certainly not while the current party are in charge. A party that is stacked full of very wealthy people who have no regard for the law are not going to want to introduce a system that would penalise them more when they get caught breaking it. On a related note, there was a good talk by Neil deGrasse Tyson about ten years ago about scientific scales. He asked the question of if he was walking down the street, what is the smallest denomination of coin he could see lying on the street that he would actually spend the time to bend down to pick up based on his salary. He decided that a quarter is probably the lowest denomination that he would pick up would be a quarter. He then scaled that up to Bill Gates, who was worth about $50bn at the time. Gates would probably not bend down to pick up anything less than $45,000. 😆

[@meverkko]

It's funny how the rich American people are against it "because then the poor could commit crimes with low fines". All just to maintain their ability to drive as they wish with no real fines that would even sting. The whole point of the day fine system is to make everyone pay a fine that stings and that way to prevent more crimes.

[@gytan2221]

Absolutely great system… wanna see this get implemented in my country

[@UltraCasualPenguin]

You get fines based on fixed rate up to certain point. For speeding that means you have to do criminal amount of speed (20+ km/h over). So basically day fines are used only when alternative is jail time.

[@finnishculturalchannel]

The fine system should prevent all people from speeding regardless of their income, because the crashes result to same consequences. The question is does a possible fine equally prevent a poor and wealthy person from speeding. A poor person might miss a meal and a wealthy person lose a chunk of money and lose an appetite as a result.

[@JariMattiK]

rich ppl cant do whatever they want here... it cost

[@Phantom.Gaming64]

Yeah, based on your income, that can determine how much you have to pay in fines if caught causing an felony. Bigger the income you have, more you have to pay.

[@Wezqu]

Fines are meant to be deterrent more than a punishment. It is indeed still both but what the fine is meant to accomplish is to prevent people from doing something that they would get a fine for. So if the amount of the fine does not scale it will cause it to not work. How it would deter someone from doing something if the fine is so small that its not even 1% of the persons income? This is once again the american view that fines are punishments when in Europe they are seen first as deterrents. The argument of america having more crime is just not even correct to bring up in this as it was shown that this system seems to lower crime. So I don't know why high crime would be somehow against this? Its just the excuse that american side always claims when anyone tries to bring up points how to fix things related to crime.

[@juhokaartoaho]

I think that on the example getting 47 day fines for going 10 mph over limit. When I was a student I think I got about 24 day fines for going 25 mph over the speed limit and because I wasn't basically earning any money as a student my my day fines were 6€ for every day fine. There could be something about it that it was my first offence and there were some circumstances that might have lightened it since after my fine there were some changes to that particular area with how the speed limits were set.

[@GolfinKunnanMestari]

If you have 26 dayfines or more and you can go to prison for week or so if you want and you dont have to pay anything, 1 day in prison equals 4 dayfines and you get 3-4 free meals per day and they even pay you little bit everyday :D I have a friend who served his 27 dayfines in a freaking 4-star hotel, he wasnt allowed to leave his hotelroom without a permission, true story, he sended me pictures when he was sentenced to stay in the hotel :D

[@ravenfin1916]

I still wonder about that map in time 6:13. East German, Jugoslavia, Czechoslovakia and the USSR. Not all speeding fines are daily fines. Fines for speeding below 20 km/h are the same for everyone. And once upon a time, the purpose of the daily fine was that if there was no money to pay, you had to spend that number of days in prison.

[@Wezqu]

Because that is the map of Europe in 1975 when West Germany implemented it. The modern Germany is the West Germany but yeah the video maker should have specified that it was West Germany and not Germany that implemented it in 1975.

[@joukokorhonen7920]

But in Finland we have databeses of incomes!

[@brothersofsnowhere9765]

If speeding is over 50% of limit then vehicle should confiscate too...

[@niklasholmlundful]

If the penalty for breaking the law is a fixed fine then its not a penalty, its just the price for breaking said law 😺😸

[@joukokorhonen7920]

If you want to break the law - you hva to pay!

[@Mr-Cane]

Biggest laught was when this Professor of Economics said "...Government is there to serve us...." Just his voice while hearing that. 😂 And the face, it was like: this is a bunch of nonsense and even crazy!! 🤣 9:47

[@vilkolaine5404]

there is a rule. you act agaist. you pay. simple as that

[@xYarbx]

Fully agree with the lowering of the fines since they were basically set to match the lowest nominator. This said I believe that speeding should not be a crime at all since there is no victim. How I would implement my system as dictator would be to increase the penalty for crashing, man slaughter and murder with vehicle as the weapon if the speed they were going was unreasonable. It's absolutely stupid to get a fine for not paying attention to your speed on open empty road at 2am. Because at that point only life I am endangering is my own assuming no other people are traveling with me.

[@jormakaarivainen]

The problem is that usa make money with imprisoned people and the rich buy policies as they see fit, that's why daily fines don't fit. I think the income-based fine system is the only correct one. If a millionaire gets a €50 speeding fine, he can wipe his ass with that, but if the fine is €100,000, maybe next time he will drive according to the speed limit (or hire a poor person to be his driver with food wages)

[@gregmarchegiani6656]

When I hear about “wealth redistribution” I shudder: I have to make money with my skills but then give more to that away in the name of equity while leeches play victim….no

[@gregmarchegiani6656]

I totally disagree: if I am dirt poor and drive drunk I should suffer a lesser penalty? Absolutely no way. Income has nothing to do with civility

[@hazeman4755]

You are of course entitled to your opinion, but did you think this through? So you think that it's fair that a person with a monthly income of 1000 euros and a person with a monthly income of 10000 euros both pay for example the same a fine of 500 euros for the same offense? The first one pays 50 % of his income and the second one 5 %, so who exactly suffers the lesser penalty? The wealthier of course. So to make it equal, either the poorer person should pay only 50 euros, or the wealthier 5000 euros. But we are of course talking about lesser crimes and offenses, where the sentence is a fine. If you drive severely intoxicated or drive for example 100 km/h over the speed limit, that will most likely get you a prison sentence and in that case your income doesn't affect how long you sit in prison (at least not in a proper constitutional state).

[@gregmarchegiani6656]

@@hazeman4755 I normally do not start discussions online but since you addressed me nicely I will return the favor and reiterate that yes, everything has a price, unfortunately even actions. Bad action, pay. Pay the fair amount. If I have lots of money and repeat the offense, things will get worse for me. Fines should be levied based on the severity of the violation, implying that poor people are not entitled to commit the same violation for a cheaper price. Basing anything on wealth is also an incentive for a citizen to hide (and rightfully so) his/her worth, just like in high fiscal pressure countries people displace wealth elsewhere, with negative impact on the overall economy. The Government is not our father, it should be small and possibly out of the way as much as possible. Let’s remember that this fair sensitive and equitable government is made by people just as greedy, selfish, lazy and heartless just as we are. Governments just take care of themselves, they don’t take care of citizens, and that’s the reason equity is a scam and equality is certainly - for me - a better way to go.

[@stormmoster]

So you think having to pay a weeks income is a lesser punishment if you are poor than if you are rich?

[@laupit]

Remember that the day fine system is an alternative to a jail sentence. Without it the poor guy and the rich guy would both sit the same number of days behind bars, losing out on doing work to make money during their sentence anyway.

[@gregmarchegiani6656]

@@laupit which is what I am saying. Offense related to punishment, directly, like it happens with jail time. Same goes for fines, as fines are punishments for offenses. Sorry but I do not support a variable monetary punishment system just like I do not support income taxes