ReactOS - The Open Source Windows alternative

[@KalosLikesComputers]

If you ever feel like you're taking too long to complete your projects just remember that ReactOS has been in Alpha since 1998.

[@ex-itguy]

Exactly 🤣

[@fsturmat]

hits too close to home, dude

[@ohaia23]

Hurd?

[@sadravin1]

It's not windows, or Linux. It is somewhere in the middle. I like the idea. They don't have many devs, and making an OS from scratch is a huge undertaking. Mad respect.

[@idcrafter-cgi]

it's even harder due to it needing to work like windows does but that some drivers just work is a lot of work.

[@ex-itguy]

I agree. I believe that anyone who has even looked at Windows' source code is banned from the project so it's all reverse engineering.

[@milasudril]

@@idcrafter-cgi Yes, application compatibility is one thing. Full driver compatibility is a different story. For full application compatibility, you may need your own kernel though. As an example, Windows has enforced file locks, Linux doesn't.

[@0015v]

ReactOS is considered Windows-like or DOS-like though

[@ex-itguy]

@@0015v Windows-like specifically. There's no DOS involved.

[@Postal2Dude]

Good video! I was the one that added the NVIDIA driver to the application manager. Glad to see it works for you

[@ex-itguy]

Awesome! Many thanks for doing so! Having a proper video driver makes the whole experience a lot better. :)

[@Julenuri]

The first ever well done ReactOS video I have looked in to. :DDDDDDD Congratulations, really informative and curious to have Nvidia drivers actually working. No jokes, I am inside of the ReactOS team and... Looks impresive that the Net built in drivers worked and Graphical drivers too. There are few things to comment: The most recent Nvidia drivers have a bug that drops the FPS near to zero, somehow... The old version used to work better. Audio drivers shouldn't work with the current code and needs a refactory, but we are improving slowly that situation, (now audio works under VMs and some old hardware with the AC'97 driver). I hope you had fun testing the OS.

[@ex-itguy]

Thank you so much! Awesome to have an actual dev check in! The nvidia driver works quite well, the artifacts could be because of this card, they were absent in the GT930. I hope sound gets fixed soon, that's quite a big part of the whole experience. I did notice sound working in a VM indeed! I did have to reinstall quite a few times because of lockups that made me have to reset the machine and leaving the OS in a limb. That happened with basic things like unplugging a usb stick (unmounting didn't work so...) All in all I'd love to see some progress on this. Is there anything we n00bs can do to help?

[@Postal2Dude]

There is no NVIDIA driver that can work well in reactos, it's just that they dont support 3D acceleration yet, only 2d for now

[@Julenuri]

@@Postal2Dude That is not 100% true. 3D accel is supported partially and buggy. This is why ogl-gears or videogames as Simpsons Hit and Run are working.

[@Julenuri]

@@ex-itguy Sorry for the long text. Your experience is really similar that the one that everybody suffered recently under ReactOS. You have faced some bugs that in videogames we would call "soft locks" (like beating Pokemon with an only Magikarp). For example: 1. Driver that installs other .dll or .sys, or even registry entries that are not compatible with ReactOS. 2. Random MM/CC bugs that can corrupt the Filesystem. Both situations can be fixed manually (time and a lot of effort), but for the common user are implying you to redo the ReactOS full setup (fast solution). Okkay, being fair, there is some OLD version of the Nvidia drivers that currently working nicely. But after some code, the drivers are working insanely slow. USB stack needs the last thing: The hot unplugging to be supported. And some support with the low level formatting tools (and tools like Rufus and that to work). You are a good tester, you could help to point better where some bugs are failing. That will help to polish ReactOS. Also you can help with translations, as tutorial maker, reactos appmanager database maintainer, etc

[@ex-itguy]

@Julenuri I don't think I can find the time to really participate, but a little testing and bugreporting I could surely do. I'll also make a post about this, maybe some people see it and chime in. It would be great to see this project thrive! :)

[@SenileOtaku]

There has been occasions where ReactOS could have gotten a lot more development support if more companies knew about it (and weren't, in general, cowards). When companies were scrambling because they knew WindowsXP was going out of support in 12-18 months (yes, companies did have that much time to plan migrations) they could have put some support an resources behind ReactOS to make it a functional replacement for XP, especially for those embedded and control systems. They probably spent a lot MORE having to rework their systems for MSWin7 (in those situations where they *could*) than it would have cost to bring ROS up to speed. The same situation came up again at the EOL for MSWin7, and again they could have made ReactOS a functional replacement for the underlying OS on those systems (with the added advantage they could pare it down to only what was needed, without the bloat). These are the same companies who will whine about MSWin10 going EOL, but will chicken out, open their nearly-empty wallets, and bend over once again for Microsoft and the HW vendors.

[@Compact-Disc_700mb]

React OS is such a cool project with so much potential, sadly from what I heard they have some internal issues which is why the main version on the site is so old. Hopefully they sort it out and keep improving soon. Awesome video!

[@ex-itguy]

Thanks! I hope they'll get it sorted soon. I'd love to see this as a viable alternative for the OS from Redmond.

[@Compact-Disc_700mb]

@@ex-itguy Yeah that would be awesome! They seem to have a solid base but it just needs a bit more work.

[@JuanGarcia-lh1gv]

I heard they recently resolved that issue and have plans to release a new version. I think the original problem was that the person in charge didn't want to release a new version with too many known bugs and regressions.

[@Compact-Disc_700mb]

@@JuanGarcia-lh1gv Ah nice!

[@TalmidAndy]

This is still a work in progress and really only good for experimenting and hobbyists. The lack of development and community support means that this will not be usable as a daily driver for the foreseeable future.

[@ex-itguy]

True. But you can help! (think Uncle Sam image haha)

[@ambigousBarrel]

I really like the concept of ReactOS! Must be frustrating to reverse engineer something like Windows! Coming from someone who is more successful with hardware than software I completely understand why they are taking a while getting this together! I wouldn't know where to start!

[@ex-itguy]

same!

[@ex-itguy]

What do you think about ReactOS? I think it's pretty cool to have an open-source Windows-alternative around!

[@WilliamHollinger2019]

Nice for people who suffer with mental health issues.

[@test-rj2vl]

It's fun project but for practicality Linux + Wine is better as you get the stability some popular linux such as Debian + same ability to run windows programs. Since Wine and ReactOS devs share code with each other there wouldn't be any significant differences between them in terms of windows compatibility. I tried some classic gaming and with Warcraft 2 my sound became buggy after few minutes but with real Win XP it was fine.

[@ex-itguy]

@@WilliamHollinger2019 hahaha yeah you'll feel refreshed after a session or two!

[@ex-itguy]

@@test-rj2vl Linux has way better hardware compatibility and most Windows-stuff works fine with either Wine or Proton indeed.

[@test-rj2vl]

@@ex-itguy But still even with Linux's better hardware support I wish there were more Wine developers. It feels like they haven't done anything in last 15-20 years. Yes, Proton is something but it seems to be rather hack than proper solution. I would like to see base version of Wine to be where Proton is. In addition I would like to see it support latest .NET, MS Office, Photoshop, etc so that Linux would be actual Windows competitor for end-user and not like Gimp is your new Photoshop now. If Wine was there right now, MS wouldn't be doing anti-consumer things like Recall that you cant even uninstall and that is dependency for explorer because if Wine was decent way more people could switch to Linux.

[@LeeLmao]

No idea how i found you but its an awesome video! will subscribe and keep my eyes open for more videos. Love from Germany!

[@ex-itguy]

Awesome! Thanks you dear neighbour! Love from the Netherlands! 😃

[@ErdrickHero]

Correction: ReactOS is anything but complete.

[@ex-itguy]

That's kinda what the video shows, doesn't it?

[@ErdrickHero]

@@ex-itguy 0:05 "It's a *complete* Windows compatible operating system."

[@ex-itguy]

@@ErdrickHero Ah right, I guess I could have said that I'm anther way haha

[@Azuretxzs]

Lets go! new Ex-It guy video! Awesome vid man enjoyed it!

[@ex-itguy]

Thanks! Glad you liked it!

[@bigmango202]

This would actually be a good os for the windows 10 refugees if only the devs had the resources to make it more up to date

[@ex-itguy]

Indeed! Let's get more people in and get it going! 😁

[@Winnetou17]

Unfortunately, realitically, by the time Windows 10 goes out of support, ReactOS will be nowhere near complete or usable. It's also not targetting to repelace such a new Windows version. They got slowed a lot already by moving the goal post to support more recent Windows versions than initially planned (I think Windows server 2003 is the current goal), including 64 bit support.

[@timothyt.82]

If the developers can hone in on this OS, this could be a great alternative to Windows. We can leave Ubuntu for MacOS users who have left the apple garden walls behind. Although, if I'm being honest, making anything from Microsoft work outside Windows is a tall order.

[@ex-itguy]

They've been working on this for over two decades, so don't hold your breath on it. 😅 But it sure would be cool to see you go further.

[@TechnoMinded-qp5in]

With AI taking over the Internet I almost mistook it for AI I am glad you're using your real voice and I am speaking to real people this AI generation sucks man.

[@ex-itguy]

Thanks! Being a voice actor I can't say I'm happy with all the ai stuff haha My voice doesn't sound too good these weeks thanks to some virus though, but it'll have to do. :)

[@YuNherd]

i really hope it goes out of the alpha-beta stage and will be a good release OS

[@ex-itguy]

That would be great indeed!

[@beingfamousisretarded]

Yep, it would, but it could take YEARS if not *DECADES* for that to happen.

[@ex-itguy]

Sad but true

[@Rxke]

I groaned at 'people with back problems' :)

[@ex-itguy]

Hehe, that includes me ;)

[@98SE]

@@ex-itguy I remember and have used the old NT installer hundreds of times throughout my life and I'm only 21. 😢

[@ex-itguy]

@98SE haha well that's quite similar to the 70s albums in my cd cabinet I guess ;)

[@MarcinKralka]

Great video! Instant subscribe 😁

[@ex-itguy]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@YasuRolled]

i fukin loved intro music

[@Aeduo]

I'm impressed the nvidia drivers worked. Although that's probably a configuration they specifically assured worked because of how ubiquitous the hardware is, but it still had to be a lot of work to get that working.

[@ex-itguy]

Since it's all reverse engineering, I can only imagine how much work that has been.

[@voteDC]

That is an interesting point. I could have two or more drives on a single IDE but only one at a time on Sata. I wonder why?

[@ex-itguy]

IDE can have two max, but only one at a time can "talk", so the dvd drive and harddisk constantly have to wait for each other. SCSI didn't have that issue but SAS is way faster than the old SCSI bus.

[@voteDC]

@@ex-itguy Thanks for the correction. It's still weird that we've gone back a bit.

[@JasperTedVidalTale]

10:35 Is that the sound of the IBM PC Speaker?

[@ex-itguy]

yep, all the sound I got without soundcard drivers :)

[@JasperTedVidalTale]

​@@ex-itguyAs a Fanboy/Hardcore Fan of the IBM PC Speaker. This doom source port is interesting because it plays the music instead of sound effects

[@ex-itguy]

I thought that was interesting as well indeed!

[@JasperTedVidalTale]

@@ex-itguy I need to check out the music. How did you set it to run to the IBM PC Speaker?

[@ex-itguy]

I didn't, everything I did to run it is in the video. :)

[@UncommonKnowledge587]

Looks like jumping in a time machine and going back to the early 2000s. It's a shame it's so flaky but it's a huge undertaking. I hope MS don't sue them.

[@ex-itguy]

I would like to think that after a few decades MS should be aware of this project haha. But they make very sure not to use any actual Windows code, so I don't think there is anything to sue about.

[@honahwikeepa2115]

Plug and pray 🤣😂

[@ex-itguy]

Haha, that was an actual term used to describe Windows 9x plug & play features back then. ;)

[@82levy5]

Sorry for saying, but that PC it's much more usable with a Windows XP.

[@ex-itguy]

Don't be, you're right about that. But XP is old and unsafe to connect to the internet whilst ReactOS is at least still maintained. For now it's mostly for hobbyists though.

[@AlphanPeter]

Made. DVD Setup did not work blue of death computer froze ?

[@ex-itguy]

Annoyingly it just doesn't work on all systems. I had the same on a core2quad machine.

[@tibo5078]

Leuke video! Ik denk persoonlijk dat ReactOS nog een lange weg heeft te gaan, maar het is wel een leuk project! Hoewel er iets niet klopt in deze video... De gpu driver dat werkt op ReactOS zonder dat het hele systeem crasht??? Kan niet 😂

[@ex-itguy]

Hahaha, ja daar was ik ook verbaasd over. Gelukkig crashte hij wel bij een andere driver 🤣 Was je blij met het IDE stuk? Speciaal voor jou gedaan omdat je laatst zei bij elke video wel iets te leren. 😄

[@tibo5078]

@ex-itguy Dat IDE stuk wist ik inderdaad nog niet, daar was ik blij mee :) Ik wist wel wat het was en ik heb nog een laptop IDE schijf liggen maar ik wist niet dat je 2 schijven met èèn kabel kon gebruiken door èèn op master te zetten en èèn op slayer met een stukje plastiek!

[@ex-itguy]

Kijk, toch weer wat gewonnen haha! Laptop ide is 44 pins, ipv 40. Daar gaat ook voeding door.

[@tibo5078]

@@ex-itguy Ik wist niet dat laptop IDE 44 pins heeft ipv 40, wel dat voeding daar ook door gaat! Ik heb weer wat geleerd vandaag :)

[@ex-itguy]

Nou nou een weetje dan: wat ik deed, de harddisk en dvd speler op dezelfde kabel, is niet ideaal qua performance omdat maar 1 apparaat tegelijk kan 'praten' over IDE. Dus als je een cd in de drive stopt dan vertraagd dat de harde schijf. In oudere systemen zou je daarom dus de speler en harddisk niet op dezelfde poort zetten, maar die optie had ik hier niet. Ik denk dat ik er een sata ssd in ga hangen. Voor de video was dit wel even leuk echter. :)

[@nolo9079]

god i remember playing with this in the early 2000's and 20 + years later its still nowhere near a good experince.

[@ex-itguy]

I was hoping for some more progress indeed haha, I never had any luck installing drivers so getting the Nvidia drivers working was kinda nice. 😄

[@SRSpawn]

I remember installing ReactOS on a spare Pentium III machine and playing around with it in the mid 2000's, I know I got bored with it pretty quickly, the OS felt too much like a demo type with not much going on. Things I did like was it looked similar to windows 98 and ran fast, so didn't need a suped up PC to run it.

[@the_cra]

My PC from 2009 is too new for ReactOS. 😅

[@ex-itguy]

Yeah to be honest I think I got lucky with this machine. The installer wouldn't boot on a core2quad machine. :)

[@AbuelitoMunchnutz]

Fast mention on this one, but You should definitely not be using a Packard Bell machine for ANY kind of OS testing ... They used their own proprietary hardware on the boards, and it cause tons of problems with drivers back in the older Windows days. They were great games machines with rel Windows, but only when You went to the actual PBell support site & downloaded the board drivers & overlays for installation right after the initial Windows install itself. Anything without the custom drivers at the board level would just not run the hardware correctly, & it didn't support the current DirectX or slot tech properly. G'Luck!!!

[@ex-itguy]

It worked quite well though. ;)

[@bertvantol9669]

GREAT - THANKS !! What is the memory usage ?? I have here an old DELL Dimension 2400 with Pentium 1 Core CPU and 1 GB RAM. Want to give a working system to poor people so they have a computer. Can you help me out ?? You can answer me in Dutch ....

[@ex-itguy]

Oof, don't give anyone a system with ReactOS at this point. It's really not ready. Depending on their needs Haiku might be nice (I have a video on that too), or simply a Linux distro, but you might want a bit more memory to run a decent distro.

[@bertvantol9669]

@@ex-itguy Thanks

[@bertvantol9669]

At the moment I run MiniOS x86 on the DELL Dimension, and it runs quite well. Maybe interesting to make a KZbin movie from that ??

[@ex-itguy]

Seems yet another small Linux distro. Looks nice though, I'll check it out. Thanks!

[@kingofgamer1102]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@VladiFx]

I really like alternative oses. Reacos is very interesting! But common guys... at least a few common hardware support! :( :(

[@joshsadowski8869]

"Big, fat hands"

[@ex-itguy]

Hey, no fat shaming please! 😄

[@icollided]

michaelsoft binbows

[@ex-itguy]

There actually was a game called Winblows 98, I used to have that one in the late 90s 😄

[@notamusician1234]

I might try this on a VM one day or a A1181 MacBook

[@aytviewer2421]

How did you know that I had back problems?

[@ex-itguy]

😆

[@paulwarner5395]

Thanx for the video. I installed on of the nitely builds on a VM and it ran fine with sound though couldn't get the screen resolution to go to 16x9 on 4x3. Couldn't do much with it not even surf the net.

[@ex-itguy]

Interesting. I installed it in a VirtualBox VM about a week ago and it works just fine. No 16x9 resolution indeed because it's using a generic vesa driver, but browsing works quite well.

[@paulwarner5395]

@@ex-itguy Was this based on the old Lindows program??

[@ex-itguy]

@@paulwarner5395 No, that's a Linux distro that I believe is still around under the Linspire name. :)

[@JoePCP]

I think I'll stick to Windows 7 works fine on any PC I own. Too many "Oh I guess that doesn't work!"

[@ex-itguy]

As long as you're not doing a lot of internet stuff on it, you're probably fine. :)

[@schnitzelsamy]

Pentium 4 is a 64-bit processor

[@ex-itguy]

This one indeed is, the first ones weren't though. But I guess you're referring to the fact I downloaded the 32 bit variant of ReactOS? The 64 bit build simply didn't work.

[@iamperplexed4695]

Tell me it has access to the Windows Hardware driver catalogue including compatability.

[@ex-itguy]

Sadly, no. You can try to install XP/2000 drivers but most will fail.

[@emmanuelgaille3523]

I think the disk cradle is missing, at the bottom of the front face, where you can see two tabs with two holes... Or these two tabs were used directly to screw the disk... I Own a packard Bell mini-tower from this era, in which the - now SSD - drive is screwed vertically in the front.

[@ex-itguy]

That's what I thought at first, but 3.5" disk just fits there without a cradle. It just wasn't an option to put the ide disk there. But a disk with dead sectors should be destroyed anyway. This video is meant for people who destroy perfectly fine disks.

[@leanderthal-z]

How worth it is it these days? I tried it like 10 years ago, but it crashed all the time.

[@ex-itguy]

About the same, but they seem to be making some steps lately.

[@arduinoguru7233]

ReactOS gone too much far ahead on this new release, way better than it was before, they done really great jib improve user experience

[@ex-itguy]

Let's hope they can keep going like this :)

[@DimasFajar-ns4vb]

yeah people have different needs and reactOS is enough for me sometimes i mean reactOS is amazing let me guess its new linux distro with new or latest linux apps or its not that vintage like mandrake linux which is no available update or no longer supported or no new version released or they change it or giving it new names like mandriva

[@ex-itguy]

It's not Linux, it's a true Windows compatible OS. Mandrake/Mandriva is still around as OpenMandriva by the way, or the Mageia fork.

[@DimasFajar-ns4vb]

@ex-itguy i dont study it tech a lot sir but telco engineering introduce it a little

[@blu3h4t]

can this run path of exile?:D

[@ex-itguy]

I have no idea 😄

[@ewenchan1239]

I still run Windows XP 32-bit via a VM running on my Proxmox server. I don't use it for games or anything like this though, but this is interesting as it is DEFINITELY a throw back to either Win95/Win98(SE)/Win2k era. I can imagine just how blazing fast it'd be though if your gave it some really modern hardware.

[@ex-itguy]

It's a bit hit or miss on hardware though, I guess I got lucky with this Pentium 4. the installer wouldn't run on a core2quad machine. On my P3 laptop I can't get any drivers in without crashing. Haven't tried it on anything really modern though. :)

[@ewenchan1239]

@@ex-itguy Oh really??? I didn't know that. That's good to know. Thank you. I appreciate that.

[@kairu_b]

Interesting

[@laylasmart]

Can it work with the latest pc and laptops? When I tried to install Win 10 on a new laptop that came with Win 11, the NVME wasn't recognized and when I tried to use the official external driver, after installing Win 10, every time I restarted the computer I got the blue screen of death. Also, is it 64bit?

[@ex-itguy]

I wouldn't expect it to work well. At this moment ReactOS is cool to try and fiddle with. It's absolutely not ready to daily drive. There is a 64 bit build indeed.

[@laylasmart]

@@ex-itguy How about revision OS?

[@ex-itguy]

@@laylasmart That's basically a stripped-down version of Windows, isn't it? No idea.

[@laylasmart]

@@ex-itguy It seems so. Is there any there any other software like react OS that can run natively Windows third party software? I simply had enough with Windows nonsense especially with that copilot AI in Recall spyware. Linux is an option, but most third party software do not have Linux version, and it is unknown if Linux can run free third party portable software of Windows.

[@ex-itguy]

@laylasmart Linux is currently your best bet. A lot of Windows software runs quite well with wine/proton nowadays.

[@samuelbanya]

Might as well just use Hotdog Linux with a better package manager

[@ex-itguy]

Never heard of that, looks like a fun distro. This isn't Linux though.

[@mz7315]

I would recommend Linux mint cinnamon for daily use (word documents, Firefox browsing, movies, music etc) and Bazzite for gaming. Bazzite comes with pre-installed software (Linux proton and Linux wine) which ensures maximum compatibility with windows games. This only true for single player games (The Last of us part 1, cyberpunk 2077, black myth wukong, etc) because they don't have anti cheat. You could install the software yourself on mint, but this is tricky and Bazzite Handle's this for you. Do a dual boot of these OS's and You'll have an easy experience. The GUI means you never have to use the terminal except to fix something.

[@ex-itguy]

I know, but this time I wanted to make a video about ReactOS ;)

[@AlmeuP5Dro]

Made in Russia ? Does it have persistence mode ? If I would install it on my PC , can it boot with Secure Boot activated in BIOS ?

[@idcrafter-cgi]

a BIOS will not have any kind of Secure Boot, only a UEFi has Secure Boot which ReactOS does not really support.

[@ex-itguy]

Originally it was a Russian project, but it's not anymore. The foundation lies in Germany. I believe the 64 bit build can do UEFI but I'm not sure about secure boot.

[@AlmeuP5Dro]

@@idcrafter-cgi OK, correct, Respect. I am a newbie ... So most of the "normal" pc users may have heard about BIOS battery by now, but I haven't seen may of them saying about UEFI battery 😁. Never-mid the polemic ... I downloaded ReactOS live cd ( abt 700-800 mB ) put in VirtualBox, with enabled UEFI 🙂- then disabled ... The surprise was that after booting the live cd iso , is not having any web browser ?!!

[@1976oswald]

looks like win 98

[@ex-itguy]

2000 actually, but the interface is almost the same indeed.

[@hariranormal5584]

Try SerenityOS Apparently it's a totally fresh OS that's UNIX-like even, not even directly using GNU or other normal elements used by Linux systems

[@ex-itguy]

Sounds interesting! I think I've seen it at one point and thought it was Linux. I've put it on my list of things to check out, thanks!

[@Winnetou17]

@@ex-itguy It's a completely from scratch OS started by Andreas Kling to help him with depression. Serenity OS is meant to look and behave like Windows 9x, of course with some modern features. And I think for executables it uses ELF format, the same that Linux has. Unfortunately Andreas has steppted down from the project, so he can focus fully on Ladybird (initially the browser for Serenity OS). Can't blame him, he's a browser developer at heart, but that leaves SerenityOS in the hands of the community, which makes me fear that it will slowly fade away, without the presentations that Andreas did and the way he managed to gather people interested in the project (devs or just potential users). I also wish to see Serenity OS becoming actually useful.

[@ex-itguy]

​@@Winnetou17I'll make sure to check it out! It sure sounds interesting!

[@manuell3505]

Reality: nobody uses it because nothing of it works. It's not "compatible" at all.

[@ex-itguy]

Sadly, this is the truth. But, they seem to be making some big steps lately!

[@manuell3505]

@@ex-itguy It's based on the Win 2003NT-kernel. The Win32 API substitution is a poor Wine implementation. This thing has always been a anti-MS meme OS with no practical application.

[@johndrippergaming]

This is the most unstable os I have ever used its still in alpha 😂

[@ex-itguy]

It's not that bad, I only had to reinstall 5 times before I had enough footage for this video 🤣

[@betag24cn]

this thing is a joke, of you try to use it, it disintegrates itself after using it for a couple minutes, if you instal it it will mess up the partition eventually it is a joke tbh, it has been abandoned basically for like a decade, forget it

[@ex-itguy]

I never had it mess up partitions. Filesystem issues after crashes, yes. But it's not abandoned at all, it's just that progress is slow.

[@Winnetou17]

With this BS attitude you ARE contributing to it actually getting abandoned (which, btw, the daily commits totally invalidate that). Instead of having a low effort braindead take, can you maybe help ? Or at least be constructive ? It is indeed still in a very rough spot, it is progressing very slowly, it might be never useful to you, but even in these cases it pisses me off to extreme amounts the amount of downplay some do for absolutely no reason.

[@pelunew]