⭐️ Reading Feminist Retellings of the Iliad || Vlog || Collaboration with

[@MsJaytee1975]

I haven’t read The Iliad, if I needed a reminder of what was happening when I was reading A Thousand Ships and The Silence of the Girls, I watched Overly Sarcastic Productions channel, they have videos on The Trojan War, The Iliad, Iphigenia, The Odyssey, The Orestia, and lots more.

[@PageswithPaige]

Ohh! That sounds like a great channel, I'll check that out since I think I need a different version to consume the narrative in. Thank you so much!

[@StarsAndEmbers]

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[@MrRorosuri]

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[@traceyanderson7489]

I really enjoyed watching this, and seeing your thoughts on the way you read the books. I have to admit I’m not a critical reader, I look at reading as an enjoyable experience rather than taking text apart and analysing it for the most part. That’s why I like experiments like this one. I did really like seeing the small discussion with Ash, I’d love to see more of the two of you do something like that as well.

[@PageswithPaige]

Oh thank you Tracey!!! See I'm the same so it's hard when I actually want to and I'm like *brain cells trying to fire*. I am very happy you liked the discussion with Ash. That's what we are hoping to get our Chaos Chats to sorta embody, just a random thought and going off on a tangent with it! Hopefully we can articulate ourselves well when live

[@Mari8i]

Love the video.

[@PageswithPaige]

Thank you so much!!

[@DarkLord-iz7vk]

I really liked reading Natalie Haynes' One Thousand Ships although I agree it will mean more to those already familiar with the Ancient sources she uses, which seem to be mainly Homer's Iliad and Odyssey, Virgil's Aeneid, fragments of other, partly lost, epics, Aeschylus' play Agamemnon (about his murder by Clytemnestra) and Euripides' plays Trojan Women, Hecuba and Andromache, which are all about the fate of the elite women of Troy after the fall of their city, when they have been reduced to slavery. I also agree 'One Thousand Ships' does jump about quite a lot in the timescale and between characters, some of whom appear just for a chapter, while others recur. I was OK with that, but some reviewers found it confusing. It is surprising that Helen of Troy only has a small part in the book. The authoress Natalie Haynes said in an interview that she intended to give Helen a larger role, but somehow it just did not 'work' when Ms Haynes tried writing Helen. 37 mins commenting on Iliad Book 2 'I don't really know the impact on women and looking at from a female perspective as there isn't any. It's basically arguments between men' True there are no female points of view in Book 2, but one line does relate to the impact of the war in women. Nestor's speech chiding the Greek army for wanting to give up without going home, circa line 355 of the original, that no man should think of going home until he has slept with a Trojan's wife as 'payment' for the sufferings of/over (original language is ambiguous) Helen. So Nestor is promising the Greek army that if they capture Troy they will all get to have sex with a Trojan's wife (or, strictly, widow, as we can assume the Greeks will have killed her Trojan husband), and this will either be seen as a kind of revenge on the Trojans ('paying back') for stealing and sleeping with a Greek King's wife Helen, or sex as 'payment', compensation, for the Greek warriors for all they have suffered in the war. 'Paying back' is often used by Homer to mean taking revenge so more likely it means the former. Either way, there is no suggestion that the Trojan women's consent will be required.

[@bookreviewswithzoe]

I was looking for retellings for Bookemon, might end up reading some of these books.

[@PageswithPaige]

Ooooooooo yeah!!!