Reading Logical Fallacies

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[@ex.hindu.now.atheist]

@MometrixAcademy I do not like the term 'logical fallacy'; it makes it sound like a fallacy that is (somehow) logical. I prefer saying something like 'fallacy-in-the-logic', or 'fallacious logic', or 'flawed logic'.

[@alittlelogic5914]

Training in logical fallacies should be a part of every school's curriculum.

[@lemuelhouston5397]

You just motivated me to include an introduction of logical fallacies before I dive into deductive reasoning and formal proofs in the Geometry classes I teach. This will be easily applicable to current events and give purpose to the skill of deductive reasoning. Thank you!

[@snozcocram]

This is taught in every college I attended.

[@UnknownDino]

@@snozcocram where do you live? That's great!

[@snozcocram]

Unknown Dino Went to school in Illinois, Los Angeles and one year in Florida. Studied in New York but never matriculated there.

[@alittlelogic5914]

@@UnknownDino I wasn't as clear as I could have been. I did mean elementary, middle, high school, and college. A requirement; part of the core curriculum. Americans truly need it. And as SnozcoCram mentioned, there's always a section of fallacies covered if one takes Logic I/Logic II at the college level. This is usually only required of Philosophy and Law students. But every student would be better prepared to navigate both their public and private lives as adults with an understanding of what a fallacy is and the familiarity with them to spot them at once. Have a great day all.

[@ernieengineer3462]

This is needed in our political discourse now more than ever

[@gowdsake7103]

@@geeeezussss That is a really really bad thing

[@johnjacobs6234]

I try to point out red herrings (since they're everywhere - no one will stay on topic), and it just gets annoyed. So I go watch KZbin videos or something.

[@bizmonkey007]

John Jacobs Whataboutism is also rampant. It’s a way to refute criticism without refuting anything, and it completely redirects the conversation as well.

[@therealbahamut]

Every twitter user on earth needs to see this daily. They need to be required to watch it IN FULL and be QUIZZED ON IT before they post a single tweet.

[@cheng-x10]

make this true

[@CgGoil]

This video should be mandatory to watch as the first video, when you get a Facebook account!!

[@arthousefilms]

Ha, yep!!

[@mjt5576]

Or even better, just quit Facebook.

[@emmanuel5566]

That was hilarious.. totally agree!

[@shreeramhegde]

😂😂

[@stacybautista9384]

Why the fuck yall arguing on Facebook

[@JaneyImaaniEmotionalAwareness]

I can’t believe they didn’t reach us about the logical fallacies at elementary school. I only learnt about this a couple years ago otherwise I could have avoided so many pointless conversations throughout the years 😊💕

[@MometrixAcademy]

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[@badboywit03]

I learned it in 6th grade in an extremely gifted class. I tried to teach others the fallacies in high school but they just couldn’t/wouldn’t grasp them. They’re not that hard either.

[@catalyst3713]

I've been an advocate for a standardized Introductory Philosophy course in primary school for years now.

[@RP_Williams]

Should probably wait til highschool, but yes.

[@justintime970]

Not to mention all of the posts you could have avoided making.....

[@timhallas4275]

My wife often uses the phrase "Lots of people agree with me". in order to win an argument. I don't know if this is a logical fallacy, but I usually defeat it by saying, "lots of people are wrong every day."

[@akshay4107]

Bandwagon Appeal falasy

[@glutamateglutamate5728]

you should say "lots of doesnt mean most of"...

[@timhallas4275]

@@glutamateglutamate5728 I like that one too. Thanks.

[@PianoDentist]

Yes bandwagon/argumentum ad populum. But can also come from an "argument from personal credulity" place. A typical response to said wife is: "Lots of people, in fact almost everybody, used to believe that the earth was flat. That doesn't mean we live on a flat earth". Of course this assumes Mrs Wife isn't a flat earther! :D

[@timhallas4275]

@@PianoDentist Not a flat Earther, but if enough people told her it was flat, she would argue with me that is must be. I find that people use the "lots of people agree with me" argument in place of knowledge..

[@GSpotter63]

Recognizing and understanding logical fallacies should be a requirement before graduating high school. This could help prevent millions of people from being conned into believing falsehoods. After studying how to recognize logical fallacies I can't watch a commercial or political news broadcast without catching at least a dozen of them.

[@Yellowbuzz-ug6of]

j but the only issue is that when inherent bias is tought in school still the fallacy fallacy will become extremely overused

[@torytronrud2413]

GSpotter63 It would also reduce the volume of twitter tweets by 50 pecent.

[@elrjames7799]

@GSpotter63. "conned into believing falsehoods". That's a tautology: conned, by definition is believing falsehoods.

[@GSpotter63]

@@elrjames7799 Ho yay... Lol Could have chosen my words a little better.... But I am sure the point was communicated just the same.

[@dolnick7]

This begs the question of whether our society actually wants citizens who think logically.

[@907FreedomFighter]

I wish KZbin would modify it’s algorithm and push videos like this, that focus on intellectual honesty, to the top of everyone’s feed! Especially the youth!! (to include college students) I’m very passionate about teaching this stuff to both of my daughters. I wish more parents in the world did the same. Intellectual honesty, logic and rational behavior is so important, and we need it now more than ever. Thank you for posting this video :-)

[@markmiller6402]

They should put this on every school curriculum, maybe then we’d get a generation of informed social media users

[@USSResolute]

They were for me. Not sure what course but probably English comp or literature and all in latin

[@Methuzala777]

​@@grantpiper1223 The subjects of study you mentioned in no way specifically address logical fallacy, or our tendency to lean into it without training. When in math did you learn about logical fallacies? Mathematical and algebraic logic, yes, but not rhetorical logical fallacy. Not being able to recognize logical fallacy and cognitive bias is an underlying problem with our ability to trust and communicate complex ideas and debate one another. Isaac Asimov once said “Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”. Whatever we are teaching, its not helping our population to navigate inflammatory promotion of prejudiced information, and arguments based upon the persuasive power of mere confidence. An instructor mentioning logical fallacies is not the same thing as a specific course on cognition. This is also true for exponential numbers. Without training, the average human has great difficulty accurately representing these concepts.

[@iqi616]

I think we covered this in English Language class but far too briefly to become a skill.

[@jakefinch5430]

​@@grantpiper1223 The irony. You fall for a logical fallacy trying to explain how you understand them. Teaching logical fallacy's are not on every school curriculum. You writing a wall of words about how your personal experiences with the curriculum resulted in you learning about them secondary to the actual studies, or merely as a part of a greater study, in no way addresses the fact that the direct teaching of logical fallacy's are not in the curriculum. The main fallacy you have fallen for wasn't actually explained in this video, but is most closely related to hasty generalisation. Where you take your own personal experience, then proceed to tell people that they are obviously wrong because you experienced different. That isn't the point, the point is, again, it isn't actually in the fucking curriculum.

[@jakefinch5430]

@@grantpiper1223 Dude, do you have a disability or something? I never requested that you show me anything, in fact my point was that your personal experiences are an invalid form of argument, which is quite the opposite from asking for even more anecdotes. Also don't apologise, you don't have to be sorry, but if you were half as well educated as you seem to think you are then you'd understand that and instead of sarcastically apologising you would learn from your blatant mistakes and move on.

[@mr.nobody9697]

Straw man and ad hominem run amok on social media.

[@bradmowreader5983]

An Amok was originally a Filipino spirit type of thing that parents warned their children about. You'd better be good or the amok will come get you. Then came the Japanese Occupation and the left-behinds. Some of these abandoned soldiers live wild in the jungles for decades and became manifestations of the spirits. They would raid Villages and lay booby traps which is where we' get the verb form to run amok. If there is a book called The amok that is a wonderful read if you can find it. I've read it twice

[@nmarbletoe8210]

@@bradmowreader5983 wow interesting etymology!

[@aussiecath]

In mainstream media it is appeal to emotion and false dichotomy

[@Koffent]

@@bradmowreader5983 That is incredibly interesting.

[@OldSchool1947]

Appeal to emotion...! Bandwagon??

[@brianarbenz1329]

Another tactic is fake martyrdom: “The people in this audience will probably gang up on me for saying this, but...” Or, on a wider scale, “My views got me censored on KZbin and boycotted by shoppers, therefore there must validity to my beliefs and courage on my part for daring to speak them.”

[@greghill00]

How many people actually state or imply that specifically though?

[@KasumiRINA]

@@greghill00 plenty. Whole conspiracy theory movements hinge on the fact that when people don't want to hear their asinine claims it's a "government cover-up"... >_>

[@alwaysdisputin9930]

_“The people in this audience will probably gang up on me for saying this, but...”_ Sometimes an audience does gang up on someone. Perhaps an example might be a Biden supporter criticising Trump in front of an audience of very loyal Trump supporters or vice versa. The Trump supporters might be saying e.g. "shut up you libtard communist" whilst at the same time you'd be saying "Fake martyr!"

[@budavargas]

“I’ll bet this video will be banned”, “be sure to check if you’re still subscribed”, “doctors hates her because of her diet”... you’re right

[@andypham6335]

Greg Hll People in the minority or unpopular opinion realm will sometime use this argument to make themselves look like they’re fighting for a better cause when in reality they’re not.

[@dane5167]

1. circular reasoning (restated rather than proven) 2. hasty generalization (sweeping statement without all the facts) 3. slippery slope (chain of negative things that will happen if..) 4. straw man (distorting someone's claim) 5. ad hominem (attack on personal character rather than the argument itself) 6. false dichotomy/either-or (narrowing argument to personal favor) 7. appeal to emotion (self-explanatory) 8. equivocation/doublespeak (making the argument misleading with words) 9. bandwagon appeal (peer pressure) 10. false analogy/weak analogy (comparing 2 things that not dissimilar as if they are similar)

[@Dr.RIZKING]

The fact this video has the most views in this channel shows how interested people are in knowing about arguments :) P.s:- I feel so intelligent after watchin this video☺️ Thank you random lady in KZbin 🤞

[@James225]

To all those commenting about how the same or similar fallacies have differing names: Certain fallacies do have multiple names, but the main thing is to understand the fundamental concept of the fallacy or the error in the argument. Then it doesn't matter what you call the fallacy since you understand why it's an error in logic.

[@andrewwhitman3094]

Sometimes fallacy helps us understand things that we can't grasp in its entirety. Fallacy can be a crutch until further development of an idea.

[@RP_Williams]

@@andrewwhitman3094 "Sometimes fallacy helps us understand things that we can't grasp in its entirety" - how? Can you give an example?

[@jimjimmy2179]

It doesn't need to be an error in logic . It can serve as a tool for deliberate manipulation. There are times where it's hard to clearly see it through even for critical thinking proffesors:). No offence people:)

[@James225]

William Springer decide to delete all of their comments. Bye William....you made a good choice. ;)

[@davidbgreensmith]

A good list but I think it suffers from not including "appeal to authority/tradition" - a key flaw in any critical reasoning process.

[@MometrixAcademy]

We'll keep that in mind for future videos.

[@sirriffsalot4158]

True, but to be honest that one is just so obvious that if you were to have any hope of surviving in a debate/discussion, you would have to be able to recognize that one on your own :P

[@righteousindignation8879]

97% of orators agree with this observation.

[@dannygjk]

There is nothing wrong with appeal to authority if when called on it you can back it up.

[@righteousindignation8879]

There is no logically sound reason to require an argument that amounts to "my position is correct because _x_ agrees with my position". If the information at hand sufficiently "backs" one's claim then all appeal to authority is naturally redundant.

[@seanpatterson1609]

This is one of the most educational, practical, and helpful videos that I have ever seen. This information should be taught in schools so that everyone understands how to have a rational, logical discourse with one another.

[@fernandoblanco3001]

This comment purports that if 'logical fallacy' information were taught in schools, it would then follow that EVERYONE taught would understand how to have rational, logical discourse with one another. Please expand on how you take into account every school grade and age, the intellectually challenged, emotionally disturbed students and more importantly, that after being taught 'logical fallacies', the guaranteed fact that rational discourse would follow.

[@KutWrite]

I'd add "appeal from authority" and "reductio ad absurdem," especially on social media.

[@peterhughes3461]

Isn't reductio ad absurdom (AKA. Arguments ad absurdum) a form of argument to prove a line a reasoning logical or illogical by taking it to it's full conclusion? I don't think it's a fallacy.

[@KutWrite]

@@peterhughes3461: It's a fallacy because you're changing the person's argument to a different one which is, itself absurd. E.g. I say "I don't favor tax-funded schools." You say "Oh, so you want kids to stay ignorant?"

[@auto1nfanticid3]

@@KutWrite what you are describing is called a straw man argument and it is described in this video.

[@KutWrite]

@@auto1nfanticid3: I can see why you'd say that. I meant to show that the opponent took the first man's position and exaggerated it to the point of absurdity. One could also say it includes the "false choice" fallacy as well. Often the fallacies are mixed, rather than purely one or another.

[@shaunk6822]

"Reductio ad absurdum" is reduction to absurdity. It's used in logic to prove a statement and is more commonly known as proof by contradiction. You'd negate the original statement and find a contradiction (or an absurdity), thus proving the original statement true. Not sure there is logical fallacy associated with it, at least not one google can easily find. But I stand to be corrected

[@RafaelReyesofficial]

This is golden information. You these are wrong when you encounter them, but without the knowledge you wouldn’t know otherwise how to refute them.

[@mike5556]

This would negate an awful lot of internet forum/comment entries!

[@BlueBaron3339]

Hence Logical Fallacy 11: everyone is entitled their opinion, substantiated or not.

[@bradster1708]

BlueBaron3339, I think that having an opinion falls under freedom of speech.

[@BlueBaron3339]

@@bradster1708 Agreed, Brad, with sensible limitations. It was interesting living in a country - Germany, in my case - where people interpret that basic human right differently. You'd better be able to back up what you say. Oh, you can have your opinion but, like religion, best keep it to yourself. Broadcasting an unfounded opinion is a burden you're imposing on other people. It's still your right but.... 😉

[@publiozinj4882]

A fallacious argument can still have a conclusion that's true. Look up the fallacy fallacy.

[@publiozinj4882]

@@BlueBaron3339 A fallacy is an argument based on a false premise. It's not negated if someone uses a fallacy in an argument.

[@aquacandela3705]

I finished a phycology class not long ago where a couple assignments talked about group think, appeal to authority, cognitive dissonance and more. One of the final assignments vaguely described events that occured in a particular medical journal and wanted our thoughts (supposedly); when I disagreed with the professor on this subject, and provided evidence he immediately began throwing one fallacy after another at me. When he couldn't refute my historical and medical data he started responding like a pharmaceutical advertisement, repeating slogans instead of having a genuine conversation (which the assignment was supposed to be). I thanked him for his brilliant teaching methods of both teaching and then demonstrating those fallacies.

[@stonystoner895]

We definitely need this required in high 🏫. I think it used to be called debate class. It would certainly help eliminate many false narratives out there that people believe in.

[@Globularmotif]

Every single advert (or commercial) deploys these techniques with aplomb. As do many KZbinrs and opinion writers in the media. Not to mention our politicians and public institutions. I wish I was taught this at school! Thank you so much for this video, invaluable information to arm ourselves against poorly reasoned ideology.

[@tpobrienjr]

I took a course "Introduction to logical discourse" my senior year in engineering school. It was as valuable as half of the engineering courses.

[@CraigHollabaugh]

These 10 should be a pocket guide. Thank you for the presentation and the excellent examples.

[@MometrixAcademy]

You're welcome! We also have great study materials on our website at www.mometrix.com.

[@ronkirk5099]

Understanding these fallacies is the bedrock of critical thinking and should be taught in High Schools so Americans are not so much duped by politicians.

[@charlesjones8674]

I like seeing how everyone desires for logical fallacies to be a part of a school's curriculum. Fortunately, as the Language Arts teacher, my 6th graders are learning how to recognize logical fallacies in writing and speech. I even perform a little skit to present each one to make it fun!

[@TheTobs50]

Most discourse in politics, business, education, religion, etc are dominated by fallacious "reasoning", or unreason. (This is an opinion statement, and not an argument.) Its actually a fascinating topic, and then we only touch upon the informal, practical side of the study of logic. I taught it for many years at university level, and remain astounded why high school students aren't trained in this line of critical thinking.

[@dynamic9016]

Great video and red herring is a common logical fallacy too.

[@MometrixAcademy]

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[@richardbambenek2601]

Logical fallacies are the bane of social media and prevent people from having an intelligent conversation.

[@seandearmond519]

Watching this video I realized why comedians tend to be skilled at taking apart arguments. Logical fallacies are a tool comedians often use to push a line of reasoning towards a deliberately absurd conclusion for the intent of a laugh. If someone is skilled at using a tool, it stands to reason that person would also be prone to recognize when, and how, someone else is using it.

[@Thrawnio]

I’m a 16yo and love debating with people. This is a fantastic video for me to gain knowledge from. Cheers!

[@AngelWhisperer]

Thanks for this video, I came up with a theoretical "claim" and didnt know what kind of fallacy it was until you explained the bandwagon appeal. Mind blown. Thanks!

[@MometrixAcademy]

You are welcome. We are glad you enjoyed it. Our website has other great study materials as well. It's www.mometrix.com!

[@einsamturm151]

It’s one thing to know and teach others about logic, but it’s quite another thing to apply it to one’s own beliefs. The issue lies in distinguishing between a valid argument and a sound argument.

[@bilalabdullah2414]

Why wasn't this taught in my school? Most of the arguments that I came across in my life were someway or another a logical fallacy... now i am ready to debate!!

[@seancurran6727]

What I'm ready for now is the coming election season!

[@glutamateglutamate5728]

watch Mohammed Hijab debates.

[@siggyretburns7523]

Logic taught in schools? Bite your tongue.

[@cheng-x10]

@@siggyretburns7523 It's taught in mine. One of my modules links this exact video.

[@siggyretburns7523]

@@cheng-x10 I was being facetious.

[@Raksasaification]

About 10 years ago i learnt this in academic argument, while also learning marketing - the promotion part of marketing. I never felt so torn. Now im working. I cant really call out others for being illogical. In fact, I'm deem too academic. Well...

[@paulotero5502]

Sounds like someone needs a midlife crisis...

[@RockstarFisheye]

Circular reasoning is also known as "Begging the question" just fyi

[@Vscustomprinting]

Which its not necessarily a fallacy.. you can beg the question without be fallacous, often I find it has to be used when people use antidebate tactics, and are generally intellectually dishonest

[@YosemiteOnMyMind]

One of my pet peeves is when someone says "that begs the question" without referring to something being fallacious then goes on to state a question. When someone does it on TV, I always yell "you mean 'that raises the question'" at the screen. I don't think they hear me.

[@Farweasel]

@@YosemiteOnMyMind Tsk. Shout *louder* David. Honestly, some folk ........

[@awol.oper8r]

I've also seen false dilemma be called a "black and white" fallacy

[@AndrewVelonis]

Not exactly. The two can certainly overlap; one can beg the question by using circular reasoning, but more commonly, begging the question is a means of issue avoidance

[@Rendezvous70]

This is brilliant. It should be shared with everyone. To many people believe things they shouldn't based on what other people want them to believe using these tactics

[@MometrixAcademy]

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[@SynthMusicWorld]

One of the best ways to learn about logical fallacies is to dive into any Facebook discussion. You'll find them all. The news media, too. Fox News, for instance, are big fans of appeals to authority, emotion and popularity.

[@kbb6279]

True! The US political environment provides multiple examples on a daily basis.

[@dkm016]

Intro to logic's, KZbin style. This was my most informative and fun class as most of my battles seem to fall into these categories...

[@JulieAnnStone]

Thank you for explaining these logical fallacies. I appreciate the concise, clear presentation... it helped us to grasp the different concepts.

[@philipswain4122]

An excellent discussion. Very clear and concise. I use these techniques to rebut fallacious arguments almost daily in my business-intellectual property law.

[@MometrixAcademy]

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[@Myndi78]

I did enjoy this video, and even sent it to a few people. I think it is an important and fascinating topic especially because I see people online use these fallacies on purpose as tools to try to "win" arguments. I think most people are quilty of using one or more of these logical fallacies regularly, especially in these times of both polarizing political views AND the use of socialmedia we are still adapting to. In the heat of the moment and when emotions run high, these are fallacies people often trap themselfs with. One little critique, and this is purely an editting issue - at the end of the video you play an outro audioclip, but it starts before the list of fallacies are through. I found it distracting and it would be more suited to some sort of outro speech like "thanks for watching, leave a like/share/sub" Its a tiny thing of course, but easy to avoid.

[@neuideas]

One of my favorite fallacies is the performative contradiction. If the act of asserting something detonates the assertion, I just get a warm spot in my heart, and I love to point it out.

[@chrisstott3508]

Beware the fallacy fallacy though, remember that conclusions supported by fallacious arguments are not necessarily incorrect. :)

[@bradmowreader5983]

That's actually a really good satirical comic formula. Monty Python comes to mind.

[@jaidev777]

true dat

[@europaeuropa3673]

That sounds dangerous..........maybe irrelevant arguments would be better.

[@squeakygiant]

A broken clock is correct twice a day

[@michaelwiegand451]

Or: just because you’re paranoid, that doesn’t mean someone isn’t trying to kill you!

[@zitens66]

1:00 Heard this in a courtroom. "The law applies to you because the law says that it applies to you."

[@dzxn3728]

As a rhetorician I find appeal to emotion ok as long as you combine pathos, ethos, and logos. Since we aren't robots.

[@akshay4107]

The point is not to accept an argument just because you FEEL it's right. But for making followers as a leader combining emotional appeal and logical reasoning is better.

[@streetscienceofficial8675]

Yoo forgot abot Mrongos Honey

[@joz411no8]

How much more relevant could this content be than for this very moment in time?

[@Babel2.0]

This is an excellent presentation I wish I had seen before I participated in debating.

[@RETVRNAVGVSTVS]

Great content for such a small channel. Keep up the grind

[@MometrixAcademy]

Many thanks! Glad you like our channel!

[@raphaelrehman]

Agreed

[@moose9906]

Slippery slope can be a logical fallacy if the premises of the argument do not logically follow nessessarily. However a slippery slope argument can be logically sound and factually true. It entirely depends of the construction of the argument.

[@moose9906]

@Steve Hayes Ok, there is a commonly quoted "Slipperly slope" fallacy about "safe injection sites and I present the fallacy first and then the properly constructed argument : A Sippery slope argument against safe injection sites might go like this: - Opening safe injection sites will lead to a catastrophic increase in drug abuse in the neighborhood. - More drug abuse inevitably leads to more crime, especially violent crime. -The neighborhood will be overrun with criminals and fall apart at the seams. This is a slippery slope because its premises and conclusions are too broad and describe inevitability rather than probability Reconstructed: - People addicted to heroin and other injectable drugs are at risk of serious disease from using dirty needles - Many of these same people would prefer to use clean needles and would frequent a "safe injection site". - Safe injection sites have been linked in studies to increased drug use in the affected neighborhoods - Crime statistics show that the need to support a highly additive drug addition has been causally linked as to a rise in theft related crimes. -Many theft related crimes are crimes of opportunity - Increasing the number of drug addicted people frequenting an area increases the chance that some of them will commit (Theft) crimes of opportunity to support their habit. - Establishing a "safe injection site" in a neighborhood will increase the risk of theft related crime in that neighborhood.

[@moose9906]

@Steve Hayes Slippery slope fallacy happens when the logic does not follow. The data is a separate issue. You can accept the logic of the argument without accepting a premise or multiple premises and it is still a logically valid argument. The question then is if it is true. For example the Kalam Cosmological argument states 1) Everything that begins to exist has a cause 2) the universe began to exist. Thus the universe had a cause. This is logically sound even if you don't accept the premise(s).

[@LachVan]

Moose no when the logic does not follow its a “non sequitur”

[@jmm1398]

A big thanks for this lecture, I need more of it please . the more I get older, the more I learns. keep up the good work.

[@9Ballr]

These are all what are known as "informal fallacies," where in order to detect that an argument/arguer commits the fallacy you have to look at the content of the argument, as opposed to just its logical form. There are also very common formal fallacies as well, though, where a deductive argument is invalid (i.e., where its conclusion is not logically guaranteed to be true even if all of its premises were true). For example, any argument with the following logical form is invalid: 1. If p, then q. 2. Not p. Therefore, not q.

[@seanp9277]

Yes, those were informal fallacies Another logical fallacy; If x, then y. y. Therefore x.

[@corytalton]

Excellent!! this should be taught in every school but the public schools won't teach this

[@Ouyak]

Seeing this gives me a huge amount of perspective of things; I'm going to think about this for myself.

[@khosiroyalhighness4965]

This channel is a gem, so glad to have discovered it. I have no doubt that my vocabulary and thinking skills will improve.

[@richdandanell2911]

The " argument from ignorance " is a fallacy that should be included in any list of fallacies . It's probably one of the most common ones used .

[@oraclerpg163]

So true. I taught critical thinking at university and most students weren't even aware of the positive and negative versions of this fallacy.

[@quintas66]

Leprechauns are real because they heave never been proven not to be real.

[@richdandanell2911]

@@quintas66 Seems logical ...... If you're a theist I mean . If you're not then no not at all .

[@richdandanell2911]

@Alchemica Blackwood Gee........ That was deep lol.........

[@richdandanell2911]

@UCLYhhxcJCS0ojyqaOvYVZnw What subject do you think I'm being ignorant about ? Please explain . And you are the one who was attempting to be clever in the first place . But instead it just turned out sounding silly . You asked Yeah , but how do you know the person arguing is actually ignorant ?. That would depend on the argument they're making on the particular subject . Once you know that , you can make an evaluation of the level of ignorance a person might have on the subject . Plus you don't necessarily have to be an expert to spot when someones showing ignorance about a subject . I myself have not claimed to know anything about you from your silly comment . I just sarcastically said it was "deep". You are the one making the text book " argument from ignorance " by claiming to know so much about me from a three word comment you got all butt hurt about . The supposed case you're trying to make has back fired . You should think things through before you write .

[@60-second-HACKS]

The best summary on the net. Thank you.

[@60-second-HACKS]

@@williamspringer9447 Thanks.

[@vetreferee]

Great job. This should be taught in Middle school.

[@enaxie]

it is now

[@lasvegasloner4621]

What's interesting to me is how types or styles of arguments become trendy. For example, false dichotomy and bandwagon appeal have been used against me more often the past five years, where as twenty years ago it seemed somebody was always using a hasty generalization to get what they wanted out of me. Not that I'm immure to using anything from the video-- I believe even when we mean well, these can be learned habits, unfortunately. It's fun to apply the list to the political world.

[@brettsh.2545]

Excellent video! I've used it in my Writing class at UC Merced this evening and it's been really well received. Thanks!

[@netanelweber6066]

Funny how college kids today don't know ANY of this and constantly use these types of arguments all the time. Astounding really!

[@ginagetscreative]

I hear fallacies from people of all ages and educational backgrounds. It isn't a "college kids today" issue so much as "people" issue.

[@soslothful]

Do you suggest "college kids" in the past knew logical fallacies and avoid using them?

[@cedricrenaud5657]

It's important to remember these fallacies with all the youtube drama going on right now. Also it's amazing to see how many people make these fallacies every day.

[@cedricrenaud5657]

@@williamspringer9447 could you clarify your statement please ? Not exactly sure of what you mean.

[@kayla1270]

Twitter would lose their minds over this video

[@dukesavage2552]

Straw man = slippery slope; slippery slope = straw man. This is circular reasoning, but you get my argument.

[@johoward2251]

Depending on your position in business “appeals to emotion” are generally accepted if you don’t use it very often, so that is a bit too ruthless. Remember humans are emotional & social creatures

[@grendelum]

Any good speaker will _”appeal to emotion”,_ the important thing is that your position does not depend on that alone.

[@Iamwrongbut]

Committing logical fallacies isn’t morally wrong, it’s just logically fallacious. Meaning, it simply doesn’t make your logical argument any stronger. For example, I could say “most death’s from car crashes are from drunk drivers” and cite relevant statistics. That would be a solid argument if backed up by the data. But if I then add pictures of people crying and yell out “think of the children you could murder if you drive drunk!!!” that may appeal to emotion, but it says nothing about the data or relevant conclusions from the data.

[@riskyfil8955]

I am creating a fallacy series for Risk the game and this is great n helps me come up with ideas. Thank you!

[@derz_22]

I love these types of videos and her way of explanation was perfect. She was direct, to the point and used very simplified examples. Great stuff :)

[@jackjones3657]

Great video! Every school kid should learn this early on. It would save them from a lot of falsehoods and their consequences.

[@BillPalmer]

Jack Jones exactly. The population needs to be critical thinkers

[@MometrixAcademy]

Thanks. Be sure to check out our website at www.mometrix.com if you ever need study materials for a standardized exam.

[@JJ8KK]

And the most important logical fallacy--that you didn't mention--is the *fallacy of composition,* a crucial fallacy that many, many theorists are guilty of, most especially those who profess to be experts in economic theory. You may want to consider giving that fallacy its very own moment in the spotlight...

[@MometrixAcademy]

We'll keep that in mind for future projects. Be sure to check out our website at www.mometrix.com.

[@garyha2650]

fallacy of composition -- "the error of assuming that what is true of a member of a group is true for the group as a whole." I had to look that up. Thanks. Yes our minds love to categorize and recognize patterns.

[@mothiurNCL]

Clear explanations with examples. Perhaps share links to downloadable worksheets and lesson plans would be even icing on the cake.

[@dearmartha]

I liked it except that the volume was lower than most of the videos I watch where people talk about subjects that teach me. Change your volume level and It will be perfect. I would like another video with more fallacies. Thanks

[@patrickkeyes5916]

This was very clearly explained and illustrated. Thanks.

[@MemphisMark61]

“Data is not the plural of anecdote.”

[@plopytop]

"Data is the plural of anecdote" was the original quote

[@jns8393]

@@plopytop Do you happen to know by whom?

[@siggyretburns7523]

Oh, is data fact?

[@jns8393]

@@siggyretburns7523 Normally, yes. Interpreting the data is another matter.

[@siggyretburns7523]

@@jns8393 No.its a joke. Database? (is that a base?) Disapoint? (Is this a point?) Etc...is Data fact?

[@dimakotme]

Great video. I realized that the video worked better for me without music, when I heard the music in the end and it distracted me from your point. Subscribed.

[@MometrixAcademy]

We are so glad you enjoyed it! We also have great study materials for specific exams on our website at www.mometrix.com!

[@ogivecrush]

I attended a small private high school where I was in a class called "Speech Activities" in which we were taught the rudiments of logic, including these fallacies. It's been good to know these in the course of my life, but it's also been highly discouraging to realize that most public discourse in American society is based on fallacious logic, which is to say, no logic at all. Logic can be thought of as a user's guide to the brain, and very few of us have any idea that such a thing exists.

[@potawatomi100]

Excellent video. Very well explained.

[@seanwelch71]

These lessons should be part of required education, every year, for every school age child, in my opinion.

[@Peakfreud]

Yep, it should also be made part of the user terms agreement and mandatory viewing before opening a Social Media Account.

[@SciHeartJourney]

This video was great. I was looking for someone to discuss the Red Herring fallacy. That's the one I see being used everyday.

[@breakmanradio2530]

How people should develop opinions on complex issues: Study Opposing viewpoints, utilize the principles of logic to evaluate the validity of the arguments, analyze the evidence, and come to a provisional conclusion. Your conclusion is provisional because it's subject to change based on further research and analysis. Develop an argument for your provisional conclusion. Then engage in debates, discussions, and dialectics in order to test the validity of your argument. Revise or replace your provisional conclusion based on what you learn from the discussions, debates, and dialectics. How people actually develop opinions on complex issues: Pick an ideology based on the influence of friends, family, authority figures, and the media. Then refer back to the fact that you're a "liberal" or "conservative" whenever you need to voice an opinion on an important issue. Do your best to repeat the talking points of some talking head on television: Tucker Carlson, Rachel Maddow, John Oliver, Sean Hannity, etc.

[@Daman-fs8sz]

My problem is no matter how much I look up, there are news on my side, and the other side, and they both made sense to me

[@kylethespatialist1077]

Breakman Radio This comment is hilariously true. You should add that most of their arguments contain some type of logical fallacy. When that fails they resort to pejoratives.

[@soapbox187]

This is an absolute constant in any social interaction. This day in age we see a lot of this in discussion. The issue lies in the fact that this is marginalized to the intellectual who is trained in proper debate. It is human nature to feel defensive and go down any of these routes but the trained person will supercede the narrative and stay true to the nature of the debate. Get rid of the self illusion and you will have fruitful discussions with anybody! 🤙🏽 Aloha

[@carultch]

What's the name of the "it's the current year" fallacy? Example: "We need to do X, because c'mon, it's 2020."

[@timelessmayonnaise1632]

Probably either "Guilt by Association" or "The Bandwagon" Fallacy

[@timelessmayonnaise1632]

Nevermind, it's actually "Argumentum ad Populum"

[@axelmgs5928]

Gosh, I hear this one all the time and I go nuts every time I hear it

[@martinmackey7191]

You did a nice job with this video. You defined precisely and gave great examples.

[@MometrixAcademy]

Thanks, we are glad you enjoyed it! Be sure to check out our website as well at www.mometrix.com.

[@CapitanTavish]

I’m wondering why there is no subject in low grade school or high, called “logic” in which you have to study those things, with exams, tests, quiz, interrogations and so on, I don’t get why seriously. We are truly raising generation over generations of people that can’t even understand if their statements themselves are true or wrong, how can they teach others and improve.. we desperately need a subject in logic and logic fallacies in school

[@jackkraken3888]

I actually don't know and this should be taught in schools. I think we all fall into these traps from time to time and it would help us greatly if we understood what the trap actually is.

[@CapitanTavish]

@@jackkraken3888 totally agreed. I guess it would need prepared teachers to properly teaching logic. I guess nowadays teachers are not so interested in proper education, and that’s very sad

[@rickl2834]

I enjoyed this video very much. With all the ways to demonstrate a poor way to construct an argument, is there a video that shows how to construct a good solid argument ? What do those principles look like I wonder.

[@celticprogeny1569]

Never let logic get in the way of a good argument.

[@sunofpeter2]

my soon to be ex lives by this

[@siggyretburns7523]

I totally disagree with that because...just because.

[@arthurloginov4722]

Logic is a condition for a good argument.

[@weirdstories5400]

Logic is the base for a good argument. Why do you believe that?

[@tripwire202]

​@@weirdstories5400Don't worry - I think it's satire. They don't believe logic isn't necessary, they just know that sadly the most convincing or "good" arguments aren't always the ones with sound logic behind them.

[@gopikrishna2327]

Very well explained. Best video on logical fallacies

[@markw5043]

Well, that covers nearly everything you see on Facebook.

[@lobstered_blue-lobster]

On everywhere really.

[@chadcoop9638]

This was a lesson on every argument I see being made on social media. Very interesting.

[@SimonASNG]

My favorite fallacy is the Fallacy Fallacy; Just because someone uses a logical fallacy in their argument, it doesn't mean they are wrong, it just means they are not good at arguing why they are right. Always keep that in mind. ;)

[@SimonASNG]

@@williamspringer9447 I suspect you are missing my point. I am simply saying that just because an argument is bad, it doesn't mean the conclusion isn't the truth. In your example, if someone said, "Man walked on the moon and I know because my imaginary friend told me." The argument would be bad (appeal to an authority that I do not think is believable), but the fact may still be true. I should not start to doubt that man walked on the moon just because someone with a bad argument thinks they did. If I didn't believe man walked on the moon, I shouldn't be more confident that they didn't because someone made a terrible argument against my congnitive bias.

[@SimonASNG]

@Your Majesty I hope you are joking ;) As an Aerospace Engineer who has worked at NASA and SpaceX, I have actually used lasers and pointed them at the mirrors astronauts left on the moon and measured the time it took light to bounce off them and return. I have zero doubt that people left those mirrors on the moon. ;)

[@Th0mat0]

@@SimonASNG I love how you proceeded to use a straw man in your argument. Just couldn’t help yourself can ya?

[@SimonASNG]

@@Th0mat0 What straw man? I used an example. An example is not a strawman. A strawman is when you misrepresent your opponents argument so that it is weak enough to be easily defeated rather than take on the actual argument. I didn't do that at all.

[@ValkyRiver]

I have to deal with Circular Reasoning, BandWagon Appeal, and False Analogy all the time in the “narrow-key piano” debate

[@cjcantay3904]

This video is very simple yet we learned a lot, we are from the Philippines. Thank you for the knowledge offered!💕 -Grade 11 STEM-MARITIME (SM11P07)

[@MometrixAcademy]

You're quite welcome!

[@Declan-pg8cg]

Nicely done. Relaxed precise and clear.

[@MometrixAcademy]

We are glad you enjoyed the video. Be sure to check out our website as well at www.mometrix.com.

[@andresmata4949]

Logical fallacies ? So that’s what the rules of advocacy journalism are !

[@theunisjansenvanvuuren7469]

Thank you. We all need this, not only students

[@haipengli4769]

By definition, something invisible is something you can't see

[@salomon109]

Haipeng Li which means what?

[@seancurran6727]

I see.

[@ericostmann684]

This should be taught in all public schools

[@ashurgeorge4604]

Every class I've taken calls these fallacies different things. :D

[@fierydragon1249]

@Crazy Jesse Weird flex, but ok.

[@andreas.9175]

I prefer to use the names that are used in Philosophy considering that Philosophy is where logic is studied the most in depth... but even in Philosophy there are some differences in what they're named.

[@jimjr4432]

I remember losing lots of arguments/discussions with my boss many years ago. I finally got a book on logic and argumentation and learned how I lost many of those arguments. He was the boss so I was hesitent to point out the many logical fallacies he used, but I at least knew why I lost so many of those 'discussions'.

[@ericscaillet2232]

But did you keep your job? 😒

[@jimjr4432]

@@ericscaillet2232 Yup. One corrects one's supervisor at one's risk of further employment so I did not.

[@jimmyknox3342]

I only keep myself around because I amuse me. If that relationship ends, I'm outta here!

[@lobstered_blue-lobster]

Rephrase that in *ENGLISH*

[@user-yx7tp2it8h]

Great 👍 Video! You explained everything clearly. It was easy to understand