31 logical fallacies in 8 minutes

[@JillBearup]

I trimmed the start of unnecessary fluff, and therefore: new timestamps! 0:19 Fallacy of Composition 0:29 Fallacy of Division 0:39 The Gambler's Fallacy 0:47 Tu Quoque (Who Are You To Talk?) 1:06 Strawman 1:19 Ad hominem 1:35 Genetic Fallacy Correction: 1:43 Important clarification: fallacious appeal to authority is when you assume someone’s claims about [bacon] are valid in spite of the fact that they are in fact a [cheese] expert. However, it is also a fallacy to assume that just because someone is an expert on [bacon] that they will always be factually accurate when talking about [bacon], especially if they do not provide evidence. 1:43 Fallacious Appeal To Authority 2:02 Red Herring 2:21 Appeal to Emotion 2:35 Appeal to Popularity (Bandwagon) 2:39 Appeal to Tradition 2:43 Appeal to Nature 2:51 Appeal to Ignorance 3:03 Begging the Question 3:19 Equivocation 3:37 False Dichotomy (Black or White) 3:47 Middle Ground Fallacy 3:56 Decision Point Fallacy (Sorites Paradox) 4:16 Slippery Slope Fallacy 4:33 Hasty Generalisations (Anecdotes) 4:52 Faulty Analogy 5:01 Burden of Proof 5:30 Affirming the Consequent 5:57 Denying the Antecedent 6:09 Moving the Goalposts 6:22 False Cause (and Texas Sharpshooter) 6:41 Loaded Question 6:48 No True Scotsman 6:57 Personal Incredulity 7:05 The Fallacy Fallacy

[@user-nm9fk7cb4b]

You missed one; 3:36 “Eejit”

[@gamealholik]

your example of strawman is not very good mainly because there is virtualy no one advocating for less petroleum products(plastics,etc) which is what i assume you meant where as people in the current climate would prob assume you are misinformed and actually meant to say oil production which Joe Bidens administration has actively been preventing but at the time you made the video it was prob a pretty good example

[@gamealholik]

as an addition at the time of posting this gas is like 5 and half buck closing on 6

[@violettracey]

Thanks for the clarification!

[@fluffyvoid2619]

I would love to be a “cheese expert”

[@jacobopstad5483]

I have a personal one I call the "hindsight fallacy." When people make mistakes, others will sometimes attack them for not knowing something that is obvious only in the present. "Why did you go bungee-jumping if the cord was frayed?"

[@bloxer9563]

A very good one, I find this common in conversations I observe, or participate in...

[@imaramblins]

Yup. Which can lead to the fallacy of "piling on," or making it seem like strength in numbers makes the person/ people that much more "wrong." Hey, someone found a weak argument against this person / people due to hindsight, etc... let's all pile on about just how wrong that is, or how wrong they've been about other things...

[@angadsingh9314]

Yess. There was a video of a lion opening a car door and people were bashing the family for not locking the doors. As if it's trivial that lions can and will use their mouths to systematically open the car door...

[@jacobopstad5483]

@@angadsingh9314 That's an excellent example!

[@Thukai-Operater]

Please describe this again with a unique example sir

[@RedAgent14]

I remember learning about these sorts of fallacies in my rhetoric class, and then the next unit was "now that we know the different types of fallacies, here's where we learn how to use them to sound persuasive"

[@avivastudios2311]

Wait, so you learned how to be an evil politician?

[@jorgitoislamico4224]

​@@avivastudios2311 Eristics my dude

[@_jpg]

​@@avivastudios2311 That's obviously a loaded question, indicating that there are actually good politicians

[@steveconrad8857]

@tedagent - it’s the same way in the legal field. They teach about the constitution but all the teacher ways to get around it in America.

[@DipayanPyne94]

​@@_jpg Not really. There are good politicians. It just depends on what we mean by good ...

[@TheYuvimon]

The fallacy fallacy is so important and so often forgotten. Just because you discover a fallacy in someones reasoning, it doesn't necessarily invalidates their point, it only means that the reasoning they used to arrive at their conclusion is flawed.

[@j.f.fisher5318]

It doesn't mean they are wrong. It means we can't _rely_ on their being right and should reject their ideas until the re-evaluate their position using rigorous logic. What you are proposing has literally gotten people killed in the real world and is utterly disastrous thinking.

[@TheYuvimon]

@@j.f.fisher5318 ... What?

[@TheYuvimon]

@@j.f.fisher5318 would you be so kind as to elaborate what I was proposing, that would be so utterly disastrous?

[@TKA-s7]

It does in a sense invalidate their point LMFAO. The very concept of a dialectic is to propose logically valid and or consistent point, so if someone's argument is predicated on a fallacy, that invalidates their argument, however, it doesnt make their conclusion or point actually incorrect

[@norah6954]

yeah, you can make some mistakes in a math problem and still get the right answer. Buuut, that usually involves going back, inspecting all of the steps along the way and then maybe solving it again

[@antalwahlers3574]

I heard there was once an interview with Frank Zappa. The interviewer was this vietnam vet who lost a leg in the war and was notorious for giving guests a hard time. First thing he said was "I guess your long hair makes you a girl." . Zappa instantly replied: "I guess your wooden leg makes you a table."

[@NavJordaan]

what a legend

[@Demetri450]

Yes! Making something out of nothing to push your narrative! Self righteous people do this all the time!

[@atharvakarawade9054]

ahaha this is genius

[@magnusprime962]

Somehow I think that would've impressed the interviewer rather than bothered him.

[@mesheepooh2278]

😂😂😂😂🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@TryMyMartini]

This actually a list of 31 reasons why it's pointless to engage in an argument on reddit.

[@lostchild2003]

Or Facebook

[@lostchild2003]

Or Twitter

[@lostchild2003]

Or KZbin

[@asmith7876]

Thumbs up to everyone above! LOL

[@blacksheep9144]

Bahahahaha that and the incels

[@boboloko]

Winning a debate is not the same thing as being correct. It only means that you are more persuasive.

[@bensmith9253]

sophistry

[@MrBizteck]

Yes !! I have a work collague with very extreme views politically he is a marvellous debater but 80% of the stuff he comes out with is shite. But weve givin up debating him because he just spins arguments on their heads.

[@UncleMerlin]

Being correct only aids your point

[@vartebugge]

Sadly, this is often true

[@boboloko]

​@@UncleMerlin Sometimes

[@MyRegularNameWasTaken]

My favorite (least favorite?) fallacy is absolutely Relative Privation. "You can't be sad about that, other people have it worse."

[@andrewjohnson6716]

Yes, good call!

[@briancaster2876]

I know I'm late here, I totally agree with you and that's the same thing as saying "You can't be happy about that, other people have it better." Which, I think most people would agree, is a ridiculous thing to say.

[@randomobserver8168]

A favorite of my mother's generation [born in WW2] and earlier ones. I'm not sure it's a true logical fallacy, though- they know perfectly well you can still be sad, sick, angry, or whatever, they're just telling you to get some perspective and maybe realize your sh*t isn't that bad. Whether or not I find it annoying will vary from context, but the corrective can actually be useful. If I AM irritated, I usually resort to Calvin [from Calvin and Hobbes] "Yeah, well lots of other people have it a lot better, too!". In effect, there's effectively and should be a human right to complain, but there's a corresponding human right for the next person to call time and tell the complainer to shut up.

[@IRS-Avoider]

There is a whole song by AJR discussing this and why it's stupid

[@IRS-Avoider]

It's called The World's Smallest Violin and it's really good

[@AlejandroPerez-mg3fc]

This is why I stopped debating with people in general. People will tell you that "they are great debaters" and that "they always leave their opponent speechless" and then will mindlessly start spamming fallacies with zero regurosity. Suddenly, when I ask for rigutosity, they don't wanna debate anymore.

[@VerumOccultum]

It seems to me that people (including myself) don't know almost anything. We navigate reality with our schemas and concepts but when the real substantial knowledge is very little! Just my experience. I think that natural wisdom is a different thing, if you know what I mean :)

[@VerumOccultum]

When we are put on the spot and questioned for our real knowledge, it can often fall short. I'm speaking of myself of course....

[@cristoferchanimak]

What is “regurosity “? You spelled it two different ways and I can’t find either of them in any online dictionary.

[@adweita990]

@@cristoferchanimak same

[@adweita990]

@@cristoferchanimak i think they meant "rigorosity". rigorousness ig. like validity of each step.

[@funwithcoding2818]

The big takeaway from this for me is that pirates can be used to fight global warming

[@steemlenn8797]

Pirate parties all over the world have stated that for years, but they always get ignored, together with all the other brilliant solutions they offer.

[@jonathans1759]

FSM. KANSAS BOARD OF EDUCATION. Pastafarianism. 👍

[@JohnTrustworthy]

International shipping is a big source of carbon emissions so I guess you are right.

[@willowweedsYT]

My takeaway is that I should eat cake

[@ReeseAugust]

Well, my goal in life is to become a pirate, so wish me luck fighting global warming! (I am 100% serious that I want to be a pirate.)

[@dahawk8574]

1:56 - Appeal To Authority There is a GAPING HOLE in the explanation given here. The fallacy also applies to experts who are presenting an argument that is well within their field of expertise. This version of this fallacy can be encapsulated as: "I am an expert on this topic, therefore there is absolutely no way that my view can be in error." It is logically unsound, because quite obviously there are many ways that experts can be absolutely mistaken about some aspect of their view of something within their field. And the most blatant example would be when two experts are debating a topic within their field, and they disagree with each other.

[@aaroncope1833]

Absolutely right. An appeal to authority doesn't have to do with your source being an expert in the relevant subject or not; it's about referring to someone that is seen as an expert in the place of evidence or reason. Darwin is considered an expert or authority on evolution but if you say "Evolution is real. Charles Darwin, the most famous and relevant scientist that studied that subject says so." The evidence of evolution is evidence of evolution: fossil record, micro-biology, observable micro-evolution, anatomy, etc. If you are going to cite an expert then the reasons why they have a certain opinion and the accompanying data are more relevant and helpful than some schmuck's opinion, even if they're a credentialed schmuck.

[@LyubomirIko]

Continental drift theory is such case. But it is more complicated than that, because although the premise was correct not the proposed process (centrifugal force of the Earth's rotation). So it was rediculed for many years in geology field. Also the case with Newton's Gravity worth mentioning - although it was proven wrong - it is still widely used - becouse accurate enough... This means truth sometimes can be... unnecessary complex?

[@dahawk8574]

There is another layer on this type of fallacy which deserves to be called out as a subset. And this is when an argument is presented as having the VAST majority of scientists supporting it. This is NOT how science works. One single person can hold a view while thousands hold the standard understanding, yet this fails to disprove the one person. Science is not a democracy. For example, when Darwin came up with evolution, he was in an extremely slim minority. Before that idea gained traction, we can imagine that there were those who presented the argument that almost everyone believes this one thing, while Darwin is way out at the fringe. Well as it turns out, Darwin was on to something. Every great idea, it is said, begins as a blasphemy. The most notable example for our current age is Global Warming (AGW). It FAILS to prove the theory just because many many people with PhDs support it. And an extremely common argument you will hear is that almost all scientists support it.

[@IamGrimalkin]

I think the thing about appeal to authority is that, if you have to appeal to an authority on a topic, you probably aren't qualified to debate that topic in the first place. You should know the arguments that experts make on that topic, so you can bring them up directly. Expert witnesses are brought up in the court of law, but a lawyer can debate the arguments the expert is making in the cross-examination, if they have the chops for it.

[@snap-off5383]

@lurocp8 In courts the expert testimony establishes the credentials for the expert to discuss the facts and evidence of the case intelligently. Expert testimony is NEVER used to establish truth or falsehood of a prosecutorial or defense argument. i.e. there are no instructions to the jurors from the judge that they will accept testimony of an expert as incontrovertible due to credentials. Logical fallacies ABOUND in courtrooms. That's why you hire a lawyer.

[@mitzarella.6318]

0:33 Fallacy of Composition 0:42 Fallacy of Division 0:52 The Gambler's Fallacy 1:00 Tu Quoque (Who Are You To Talk?) 1:19 Strawman 1:32 Ad hominem 1:49 Genetic Fallacy 1:56 Fallacious Appeal To Authority 2:15 Red Herring 2:34 Appeal to Emotion 2:48 Appeal to Popularity (Bandwagon) 2:52 Appeal to Tradition 2:56 Appeal to Nature 3:04 Appeal to Ignorance 3:16 Begging the Question 3:32 Equivocation 3:50 False Dichotomy (Black or White) 4:00 Middle Ground Fallacy 4:09 Decision Point Fallacy (Sorites Paradox) 4:29 Slippery Slope Fallacy 4:46 Hasty Generalisations (Anecdotes) 5:05 Faulty Analogy 5:14 Burden of Proof 5:43 Affirming the Consequent 6:10 Denying the Antecedent 6:22 Moving the Goalposts 6:35 False Cause (and Texas Sharpshooter) 6:54 Loaded Question 7:01 No True Scotsman 7:10 Personal Incredulity 7:18 The Fallacy Fallacy

[@aishwaryadevirajavel7846]

thank you. this comment is underrated

[@giasharie274]

AISHWARYA DEVI RAJAVEL Indeed

[@theturtle9724]

Gia Sharie Indee

[@magicblaze1553]

this was already in the description

[@Someone-ct2ck]

thanks

[@insertwittynamehere8947]

My personal favourite is probably the one most used by politicians when challenged in interviews, we'll call it "The Consensus Fallacy". I'll guarantee that you've heard it and it's very easy to identify as it's preceded by the phrases "Of course, everybody knows...", "everyone agrees....", "experts say....". The purpose of the statement is to subconsciously deceive the challenger or disagreeing listener into believing they are either alone or uneducated in their view, thus question their own viewpoint on the subject in question. It is of course entirely false, there is no way that the speaker could know the views of everybody or even every expert (and what defines that and which experts precisely).

[@josephstone4842]

When you said “I know that a horse is a mammal and a frog is an amphibian, even though frogs lay eggs and so do some…” I thought you were going to say “and so do some horses” and I panicked

[@Raycheetah]

Seahorses lay eggs. =^[.]^=

[@lemonstealinghorsdoeuvre]

Therefore all seahorses are -frogs- I mean -mammals- er... confusing.

[@kingoreo7050]

Periods..?

[@lemonstealinghorsdoeuvre]

@@kingoreo7050 ellipsis, actually

[@Nanbread-bw7nq]

are we sure there are no egg-laying horses though? have we checked all the horses? xD

[@TheWhiskyDelta]

One very important thing to remember about fallacies. Pointing out a fallacy is not unto itself a counter-argument, it merely exposes a potential flaw in some part of what the other person has said. Critically even with a fallacy an argument can still be generally valid if the fallacy is removed; for example hyperbole and exaggeration removed from an argument can still leave a completely valid argument.

[@TheOmegaXicor]

I think that was her last point...

[@archapmangcmg]

@@TheOmegaXicor Literally, yes, you're right, the fallacy fallacy. Just because the method is wrong, the conclusion may be correct or incorrect. The problem with fallacies isn't that they ensure you're wrong. It's that they make your thinking unreliable and therefore usually wrong. (Since there are more incorrect conclusions than correct ones, etc.) And literally, a fallacious argument cannot be valid. By definition, it's invalid. It may have the correct conclusion but you should junk the argument and look for a valid one.

[@Caseytify]

But usually someone who commits basic fallacial reasoning frequently doesn't _have_ a valid argument. It's hard to take someone seriously when all their online comments lead with read herrings, tu quoqe, or appeals to authoritiy.

[@archapmangcmg]

@@Caseytify Agreed. Fallacies are a strong indicator that the person using them doesn't have anything worth listening to but not a guarantee that they're wrong. Such people may get things right by coincidence, rare but possible. Worth remembering that valid arguments may still be entirely wrong, because the premises are wrong but the form is correct, while sound arguments must be correct.

[@TheWhiskyDelta]

@@Caseytify The issue is that the internet has lead to an era of absurd pedantry, where people will try hard to find any basis that someone is technically wrong, with the explicit intent of invalidating what they have said regardless of relevance. In my own merely anecdotal cases I've rarely seen someone call out a fallacy by name for any other reason. Aside from that any form of hyperbole or straw man is an area to be careful about, because often even if the exaggeration is removed the point remains. People love to add emphasis.

[@zsantschi]

"Whataboutism" has become very popular lately. Example: Prosecutor says, "This man murdered 2 people." ... The defense says, "What about this other man who murdered 2 more people?"

[@pathfinder1273]

zsantschi Could that be the ad hominem fallacy she mentioned? It seems similar to me.

[@someguy6601]

...Except I've only seen "whataboutism" used in situations where it's actually relevant. For example: A: I can't believe C murdered two people! What a horrible person, murder is an unthinkable act! It's NEVER justified, I don't care that his victims bullied him! B: A, you murdered three people, and you said after you were arrested that it was justified because you were bullied by them. A: WHATABOUTISM!

[@manjulanilsson6011]

@@pathfinder1273 ad hominem is when you discard someone arguments based of that person's character. Example: If the serial killer Ted bundy would've said that the earth is round and you claiming that the argument about the earth being round is false bc Ted was a serial killer.

[@pathfinder1273]

@@someguy6601 I would say that is more hypocrisy or self-righteousness than whataboutism.

[@pathfinder1273]

@@manjulanilsson6011 Ah, good point, thank you.

[@jvondd]

I don't know if there's a name for it, but I call it the Scrooge fallacy. (I guess it could also be called the Grinch fallacy.) It's when an assumption is made about or judgement is passed on someone or something based on past events without regard for any changes that have taken place. Example: Person A says, "I can't trust Person B because he's an alcoholic," despite the fact that Person B has been sober for over a decade. I'm actually a little surprised by how often I encounter people making this fallacy.

[@Bird_Dog00]

aka. the "once a criminal, always a criminal" fallacy. aka. the self-fullfilling prophecy fallacy.

[@WordOfYah]

⁠@@Bird_Dog00iCareful with that. If we define a criminal as someone who has committed a crime, then this hypothetical Scrooge fallacy wouldn’t apply because the criminal offense was still committed regardless of time served or their personal growth. You are, by identity, the same person who committed a crime regardless of if you would do it again or not. Obviously, this entire objection would no longer be valid if ‘criminal’ were to be defined as somebody who has not yet been punished for a crime committed. By this definition, once this criminal has been justly punished, they are no longer a criminal because they do not fulfill the condition that is part of the definition. The term ‘Criminal’ thus probably isn’t the best comparison to the hypothetical fallacy above, as ‘alcoholic’ infers somebody that is suffering from a condition that can end (alcoholism) once the addiction is overcome. ‘Criminal’, as most would likely define it, is simply somebody who does an illegal act, a crime. Time itself would have to never have ever existed in the first place for the crime to have never taken place, thus negating the label ‘criminal’. Actions, rather than a condition such as a disease / addiction, do not forfeit their subsequent labels because they objectively occurred at a point in time regardless of the persons current state, whereas conditions can fundamentally end by definition. Alcoholic, by the likely definition, infers a present and temporal tense that is subject to change, however criminal may not. However, just as the ‘criminal’ comparison is fulfilled once the term is properly defined, likewise can ‘alcoholic’ be defined as somebody who just drinks (action instead of condition) rather than suffering from alcoholism and this entire argument totally falls apart 😂 Then I’d be probably be straw-manning LOL It is very apparent that ultimately everything depends on the definition, but it could be argued that definitions depend on the societal context and the way they are generally perceived or interpreted, which itself can end up changing depending on shifts within the culture, movements, and beliefs of society? Man, philosophy is complicated 😂

[@Bird_Dog00]

@@WordOfYah err... not sure how to react to this wall of text. I'm guessing you are overthinking what I wrote. "Once a criminal, always a criminal" refers to the belief held by some, that if someone has commited a criminal act - regardless of wheter they've been convicted and punished or not - they will always commit more criminal acts in the future and are thus are not to be trusted and should be kept away from society as much as possible. It is a self-fullfilling profecy, since shunning such a person will place them in a position where they are much more likely to reoffend and thus seemingly confirm the prejudice.

[@1987MartinT]

I deliberately make this fallacy if people have hurt me. I'll assume that they are just as shit as they were back then, even if other people say that the people who hurt me have improved since then, if I haven't personally seen the improvement. The people who hurt me have to specifically prove to me personally that they are better. Otherwise, I will insistently see them as the same pieces of shit.

[@RRembrandt]

Isn't this also ad hominem?

[@RetroRobotRadio]

What I found interesting was that I took an advertising class and the logic back to back. Ends up all the fallacies in the logic class are nearly the same as advertising techniques in the advertising class. For instance: The logic class will point out the falsehood of bandwagoning, where the advertising class teaches you to tell people to join the bandwagon!

[@TheNefastor]

Well duh ! That's like saying the demolition class teaches you the exact opposite of the construction class 😁

[@determinedhelicopter2948]

@@TheNefastor Well, not the exact opposite, both have similar concepts, demolition is more or less tearing something down safely, so both might tell you fire safety

[@TheNefastor]

@@determinedhelicopter2948 what do you mean, "safely" ? 😉

[@Halo_Legend]

Yes, because marketing and everyone involved are literal satans and should be ostracised from society.

[@aionicthunder]

@@TheNefastor Reducing the risk as much as physically/logistically possible

[@mantis8326]

When I was younger, I use to argue with people in hoping to find truth. It didn't matter to me if I ended up being wrong. But as I got older I started to realize a lot of people don't argue to find truth. They just argue to be right

[@HeroGuy3]

The complete opposite happens a fair bit too and is equally as frustrating. People just conceding their point immediately upon being challenged to avoid the argument. I want to know how they got to that conclusion! But instead of reasoning it out to me all I get is "No, you're right, forget I said anything." At least its over quickly I guess

[@sbcd7808]

@@HeroGuy3 Oh its so frustrating when you want someone to explain their opinions and they just refuse and concede that they were wrong. Like no im not saying you are necessarily wrong I just want to know how to reached the conclusion.

[@0000song0000]

btw, is it a fallacy or just a "flaw" that a lot of people these days feel offended when you point out a mistake/suggest-them-an-improvement? "you pointed out my error, ergo you must hate me" (i ain't sure if it's a variant of the black/white mentality or just not understanding the process of growth)

[@Melecie]

@@HeroGuy3 i feel called out and i'm not sure how to feel

[@Halo_Legend]

Cool story, realised that already, without the Hollywood involved.

[@catiedoesit]

Critical thinking should be incorporated into public education. The amount of people who don't understand this stuff is astonishing.

[@ursulajoni15]

Yes! During my first year of college the University was going to required everybody to take an English 101 that h heavily focused on making good arguments and it was honestly one of the most useful classes I've ever taken. People talk about learning how to fill out job applications and do your taxes in a class but I think even more important than that is teaching people how to make a good argument because a lot of other adulting skills wouldn't necessarily benefit from a classroom setting but learning to argue logically definitely would.

[@BertleMcGertle]

Governments don't want critical thinking citizens.

[@ekpurdy]

Who are you to question the experts in public education (see what I did there)?

[@victorhugobravo709]

catiedoesit great idea

[@Nancy20012]

catiedoesit public education is specifically formed to stop people from developing critical thinking. If it was teaching logic then people ,as adults, wouldn't be thinking fallaciously to the extent that they are.

[@thelookofdisapproval8234]

this stuff should be taught in school

[@kensmith5694]

Yes, plus: Civics so people know how the government happens etc. The math of percentages even though 63% of all statistics quoted on the internet are just made up numbers and that is 130% true.

[@gabrielleshapiro2451]

Just take debate or a debate club

[@alicekaspersen5478]

At one time it was, but the course was very unpopular, except for philosophy fans, so it was replaced by "modern rhetoric," which is not nearly as rigorous, allowing many members of the education community to pawn off on unsuspecting students.

[@alicekaspersen5478]

Should read, "pawn off on unsuspecting students their political and social wishes and theories. (Why the ending was omitted I don't know).

[@thisdaringyoungmanonthefly1066]

It is. At least to us.

[@scooobydoo27]

Let's not forget the "last word" fallacy -- if I get the last word, it means that I was right (at least in my own mind). I'm not sure the internet could survive without this one.

[@Thukai-Operater]

Bray watt's brother you are because he uses the same sur name

[@comradewindowsill4253]

@@handsomerat5926 Or sometimes people are just done arguing with fools. Can’t really tell that from ones own perspective.

[@comradewindowsill4253]

@@handsomerat5926 Unfortunately the most convincing argument against basic etiquette is to converse with a fool.

[@comradewindowsill4253]

@@handsomerat5926 It was just the shortest way I could think to phrase it. All it meant was that talking to people who are incapable of or unwilling to correcting their logic inspires one to rudeness very quickly. After a while, you give up having a civilized conversation, and either leave without further comment or descend into angry ranting.

[@comradewindowsill4253]

@@handsomerat5926 Fair enough.

[@stephentroyer3831]

Wow. Having grown up surrounded by fallacy laden arguments, I thought I had found clever ways to avoid them. Turns out many of the clever ways are just different fallacies.

[@commander8625]

I've actually just embraced the fallacies that I do know... except for the straw man. By using them, I can accomplish a few things. First, I can be prepared for how I think the other person would (or should contest my points). Second, if I use enough of them, my opponents will get overwhelmed and not be able to properly contest my point, if they choose to contest it at all at that point. In casual conversations, a lot of people just jokingly say that I'm right and move on.

[@willysbakery6878]

they will get worse. he who increases knowledge increases sorrow.

[@72-bit]

dude everyone has grown up with fallacy laden arguments😂

[@hiddenharmonicssystemforwi4484]

@@commander8625 Isn’t that gish galloping?

[@orbracha25]

@@hiddenharmonicssystemforwi4484 it is, this is textbook Gish galloping

[@Dancin9lady]

Literally the 7 year old boy I nanny for every day using almost all of these on a regular basis. It's so hard to have an actual conversation with him that doesn't devolve into nonsense within minutes 😭

[@SIC647]

Go with it: Say "And then what happens? And then what?" Let him run with it. Or do it yourself and one-up him, make it a game: "If an ostrich is a T-rex, then it is also an space alien, because it is in the future from 66 mio. years ago, and the dinosaur is riding in a spaceship." He will likely either think it is fun, or he will roll-eyes and tell you how things actually are (instead of you struggling to tell him that same). Kids often do it, because: 1. They aren't quite sure of how the world actually works, 2. If they are bright but haven't learned logic yet, or are demand resistant 3. because it gives them a lot of interaction "all attention is good attention" and it is fun to discuss ridiculous things with people, and 4. Some just have a wild imagination.

[@Paul-dv4dr]

You should have met my parents...

[@bl00dyyt33th]

It’s a child, bro dawg doesn’t even know there’s letters in math yet

[@southerncross4956]

i understand, he lives across the street from me.

[@NavJordaan]

i have that with my mom, huh, she must secretly be a seven year old boy

[@ambrosiasax6879]

"Never argue with idiots in public. Bystanders can't tell the difference." Mark Twain

[@RandyandPetraJ]

Never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience!

[@tippyandfriend]

Unless they can.

[@naveenthomas9931]

Okay when did Mark Twain become the wisecrack with a whole new set of quotes no ones heard before.

[@versioncity1]

@@naveenthomas9931 His 'quotes' are generally pretty well known due to their wit and pragmatic insight.

[@versioncity1]

@Drew Peacock Thanks for that insight, it had never occurred to me before that a famous quote from someone was famous because it was more than the every day, the pragmatic, the mundane. Have you got any other pearls of wisdom and knowledge that you'd like to share with the group?

[@Pixane13]

One of my favourites I don't think was mentioned here (I have a very short attention span and bad memory so I might of just missed it, timestamp please if I did.) Is the Sunk Cost Fallacy. Basically if you've put money or time (or another limited resource) into something then you should finish it. "My project has been proven to be too difficult to finish in the time I have been alloted, but since I used up half of my deadline already I should try to finish it anyway instead of finding a new solution which also fits my requirements or stopping."

[@JenamDrag0n]

I dislike this fallacy because it keeps people miserable like staying in a job or relationship that's killing them on the inside, but they don't want to leave because they've invested so much time and energy into it already.

[@cheesemakerkeesee395]

So another words you mean the government, lol

[@cheesemakerkeesee395]

I swear that's how it is, though the government's justification bailing out the post office was literally because they said it wasn't working properly, and " fellow Americans have paid into it too much to let it down "

[@andrewjohnson6716]

Good call! It's too bad she missed that one since it's so common, especially in board rooms and commitee meetings.

[@grahamstrouse1165]

This is one the main justifications for most of the United States major military acquisition projects.

[@KingsleyIII]

I've noticed it's impossible to argue with people who say "prove me wrong." They're usually so married to their viewpoint that no matter how convincing your evidence to the contrary is, they can't see their viewpoint's faults, or choose to ignore them. "Prove me wrong" more so means "Good luck changing my mind."

[@shahid8545]

Cognitive dissonance.

[@Fair_Gravity]

It is frustrating in our current political atmosphere when you hide "prove me wrong" behind #changemymind.... Most of the time someone will say something outrageous and expect others to object and defend their position on the matter. But ya know, trolls be trolling.

[@mohannair2493]

Confirmation Bias

[@Zethneralith]

This reminds me of a few discussions I've had with flat-Earthers recently. They were mostly civil conversations, and I did enjoy them, but they did make it quite evident that the degree to which some people are convinced of a thing does largely determine whether it's possible for their mind to change, regardless of new information. No proof is proof enough because of some other misunderstanding. One of the conversations did boil down to "If space is real, there should be tons of real pictures of Earth from up there. Since there aren't, I cannot believe it." It didn't matter what else was said. A tad frustrating, but very interesting as far as human behavior is concerned.

[@MrHestichs]

It's so silly because the burden of providing proof to your argument is one you should carry yourself. Not force onto someone else. If you can't prove your point then it is invalid.

[@walkingexistentialdread8520]

I am just working on a thesis about fallacies and this video made me incredibly happy. You've done a great job here.

[@billyz5088]

“Never argue with stupid people - they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” -- Mark Twain

[@leeknivek]

you don't really need to argue with them, you simply need to make them speak to their intentions.

[@cv4809]

This is an example of appeal to authority fallacy, just because mark twain said it, doesn't make it true

[@leeknivek]

@@cv4809 thanks, we never really understood what a quote was.

[@dtkedtyjrtyj]

He just said that because he didn't want people to argue with him.

[@arnerademacker]

@@dtkedtyjrtyj Did it work?

[@WhiteFox8792]

I've always been a fan of the sunk cost fallacy. Learning about it has actually saved me a lot of time that I would have otherwise wasted.

[@NotChicoAndPico]

I totally abuse the sunken cost fallacy to have people stay longer in the casino I work in.

[@wastrelperv]

@@Squeekysquid It isn't always insidious though. It has its moments.

[@wastrelperv]

@@Squeekysquid All good.

[@Detson404]

This is a hard one to apply sometimes. It’s only fallacious if it’s actually worth it to abandon your current strategy and that’s difficult to measure in a lot of situations.

[@jasonmultin4781]

This is the best response to people that say, "Never give up." In my opinion, if you take piano lessons once a week and practice 10 hours a day everyday, but still play the piano poorly, then you should quit. You spent too much time, energy, and money into something and you aren't getting a good return on investment. If people say that you already spent so much time practicing and it would be a waste to quit now, you can tell them that they are using the sunk cost logical fallacy.

[@gary0044187]

the republicans promised to end crime, yet there still is crime! the democrats promised to end poverty, yet there still is poverty! odin promised to end frost giants, where are the frost giants? vote odin 2022!

[@John-doe955]

Finally, a political party I can get behind!

[@ControlledWrinkles]

Check out Ragnarok on Netflix.

[@unholycrusader69]

@Popocot Popocot _arrrrrrr, off to the pirate bay we go, matey_

[@evangoodman9658]

Is odin running for congress?

[@arbington]

Nah I’ll vote for the Loki Party.

[@kylerussell1942]

Years late to this one, but I wanted to say I enjoy your content and this video was excellent. This should be played on Day 1 of every school debate class.

[@umopepisdn.]

I wish everyone knew these fallacies before engaging in debates. I've also found that taking courses in statistics and psychology seem to have helped me make stronger arguments.

[@pd4165]

Never debate - the Gish-gallop is real. The better debater wins, not the facts.

[@DaBeezKneez]

Fake news! Thats my response to all your perfectly logical argument.

[@adjudicator4766]

@Solitaire and left wingers

[@adjudicator4766]

@Solitaire that’s a fallacy lol

[@ViolosD2I]

@Sentinel Those who do have something to say are not true ones! ;)

[@MarkHarrisonBNE]

So love this video :) The loaded question: In the military, there is the "Are we keeping you awake son?" (something I frequently was on the receiving end of, because I have a low boredom tolerance threshold) for which the answers yes and no are going to land you in deeper trouble. I developed a response that utterly confounded my inquisitors: "Only just, sir".

[@FenrirWolfganger]

I now have the answer to that question. Of course they can still kill you after but if they do then they were going to anyway.

[@veniankween130]

I’m using that next time on my teachers

[@solarprogeny6736]

why is it that every time i hear anything about the military it sounds like the people you work for hate you

[@MarkHarrisonBNE]

@@solarprogeny6736 Cos you're not stupid? 😝 Mostly it is a bit like pack animals where the alpha in the pack never lets an opportunity go by to assert dominance. Those people are the worst leaders. They're insecure and actually afraid of everyone else beneath them, with good reason.

[@MarkHarrisonBNE]

@@veniankween130 Do let us know how that goes :)

[@kjustkses]

Fallacy fallacy is still my favorite. Just because something sounds fallacious doesn’t necessarily make it wrong.

[@puckry9686]

The incredulity fallacy is related too

[@stevenwhite3.1415]

Yes. The fallacy fallacy doesnt imply one is wrong. It implies they simply talk to hear themselves talk

[@williamspringer9447]

Da Koos ••• My favorite logical fallacy is the questionable or false premise. All of the great State sponsored lies rely upon this fallacy . For example, nine out of ten Americans still believe that man walked on the Moon, even though there is zero reliable evidence that it ever happened. It's very hard to properly support a lie with reliable evidence .The Moon landing hoax was only possible because the science of classical logic hasn't been taught in our State controlled public schools for more than a century. The Underground History of American Education by John Gatto

[@alanmacification]

@@williamspringer9447 There is no evidence of the lunar landingsthat you'll accept due to your personal emotional investment as being seen as an intellectual even though you have done none of the work , or received any education that would qualify you as an " intellectual ". Where do you think those Saturn 5 rockets were going with all that fuel. Why would they engage in that " hoax ". Hundreds of thousands of people were involved in the moon landings and not one has ever broken ranks? When you say the moon lands are a hoax, you just sound stupid. All six landing sites and decent stages are visible from the lunar orbiter. But you probably don't find that " reliable ".

[@imranhaziq4956]

Hard to imagine people still believe that we didn't go to the moon.But thats life there's always a surprise at every turn.

[@clarinethro1695]

As a fan of fallacies, I think everyone can learn something from this

[@echognomecal6742]

I see whatcha did there.

[@frazebean5117]

Ohh so you're basically a person who loves to proves others wrong yeah? Since you lovvveee fallacies. (I'm joking)

[@IPutFishInAWashingMachine]

You're saying you want starving children in Africa to die? Why would you want that? Clearly because you stole a candy bar in 4th grade. We can't trust you because you did that now can we? Experts say that petty thieves aren't good people, and my emotions say the same and therefore you are wrong.

[@NavJordaan]

oh so you think everyone should be mandated to watch this video? what about the soldiers who are fighting for their motherland or other people who keep society running, do you think they have time for that????? why do you want society to collapse?????!?!??

[@San-lh8us]

@@IPutFishInAWashingMachinewell, of course, if the starving children in africe die, they will no longer be starving, thus solving the starvation problem for them

[@anthonyfaiell3263]

I enjoy most all fallacies, but one of my favorites is probably the fallacy fallacy. Mainly because it covers the ass of all the other fallacies. I feel it is the backbone of the fallacy framework. . Just because someone is using a fallacy, doesnt automatically make their argument wrong. . I believe this one is so important because it helps define what a fallacy truly is. Many people I have talked to about fallacies think fallacies are "incorrect statements" or "falsehoods." Which in a way, they are. But not fully. A fallacy is laser focused on your method of argument, not the argument itself. Oftentimes if I call someone out on a fallacy, they think I am disagreeing with their argument, when in fact, I am simply disagreeing with their reasoning. . A super simple example of this would be "The sky is blue because the president says it is." Obviously that is an argument from authority fallacy, making their reasoning invalid... but that doesnt change the fact that the sky is still blue.

[@gabrielborjas7923]

Preach

[@MnyFrNthng]

"because someone is using a fallacy, doesnt automatically make their argument wrong. " Yes, that makes the argument wrong (invalid). That just means that it does not make "the conclusion" wrong. Conclusion and argument are two different things. Equivocation fallacy. ;-) Ex: John is tall. John is human. Tony is human so Tony is tall. Well, Tony may in fact be tall but that does not make this argument valid at all. It is still a bullshit argument. Because argument and conclusion are different things.

[@dylanschang6386]

But how can you separate an argument from its logical fallacies? Like I’m not hating I just don’t understand, it the reasoning is flawed, doesn’t that make the premise invalid? Maybe up to discresion and “severity” of the fallacy?

[@anthonyfaiell3263]

@@dylanschang6386 I gave one example in my original post. But to maybe take a different approach, in mathematics, someone may be able to find the answer to simple problems, while not understanding the proper method of reaching that answer. Obviously with more complex problems later on, this can come back to bite them. Similar can be said about the fallacy fallacy. Someone may have reached the right conclusions. While not working that conclusion out themselves with proper logic. . This is common among children. A child could argue that the sun sets in the west... with their reasoning being that their parents said so.

[@MnyFrNthng]

@@anthonyfaiell3263 Again. Conclusion and argument are two different things. Since conclusion is correct. The argument does not become valid at all.

[@otterwoods8881]

This video sums up what its like talking to my parents

[@davidkippy101]

Why do I have to do this? Because I said so.

[@suzbone]

@@davidkippy101 as aggravating as the "because I said so" of childhood is, it's a cake walk compared to dealing with delusional/conspiracy-nut parents for multiple decades until they pass away :(

[@Inertia888]

ahahh.. yup! and my favorite one " because it's just the way it is" it's the way it was, and there fore it should be the way it is.

[@feartheghus]

Why do so many people think their parents are idiots and that they know everything? I am not saying this because you prove it to be true I’m just asking because your comment inspired the thought and reminded me of it.

[@ziggerwebdesign1704]

I feel the same about your parents.

[@nathanwebb263]

Yeah, but Gambler's Fallacy has been bad logic for so long it's bound to pay off sometime!

[@tomd.9097]

@@countdamoney8128 it wouldn't matter either way, it's still 50/50

[@jamesonrosen1773]

@@countdamoney8128 the law of averages is only a way to predict possible outcomes. Even if you get 15 heads in a row that says nothing about the possible outcomes as the math doesnt change.

[@commandercaptain4664]

Ultimate Gambler's Fallacy - C-3PO: The odds of successfully navigating an asteroid field is approximately 3,720:1! Han: Never tell me the odds!

[@jeanf6295]

@@countdamoney8128 nope because you are dealing with conditional probabilities : "what is the odd of the coin falling on head if the previous 15 toss ended in a head ?" is not the same question as "what is the odd of the coin falling 16 times on heads ?". In fact it would be more rational to put it on heads, the coin tosses could be biased.

[@jeanf6295]

​@@countdamoney8128 For a fair game, The probability of getting heads at the 16th throw is 1/2, no matter what the previous sequence was. The full sequence of 16 heads has the same (low) probability of occurring than the full sequence of 15 head followed by a tail (one in 65536). But at this point, with the limited information available, the initial assumption that the game is fair becomes quite unlikely : assuming trows remain independents, the more heads you get the more you should play heads.

[@KatherineNicholson-r3v]

Taking a class in critical thinking, and this just explained these fallacies for me better than my text books and letters did.

[@illbeinyourdreams5259]

Well 23 thousand likes can't be wrong

[@woodronald1758]

@@optimisticwhovian1726 And who are you, someone with 0 likes, to say that Hitler would have gotten thousands of likes. Therefore he wouldn't have gotten thousands of likes!

[@thedolphin5428]

Is that a drole attempt at a logical fallacy? 23,000 people can definitely be wrong about something, anything.

[@optimisticwhovian1726]

lol Do you wana try that sentence again dipshit cos I know what's 0 at the moment, your sense. @@woodronald1758

[@xeronimo1586]

"It is naively assumed that the fact that the majority of people share certain ideas or feelings proves the validity of these ideas and feelings. Nothing is further from the truth. Consensual validation as such has no bearing whatsoever on reason or mental health. Just as there is a folie à deux there is a folie à millions. The fact that millions of people share the same vices does not make these vices virtues, the fact that they share so many errors does not make the errors to be truths, and the fact that millions of people share the same mental pathology does not make these people sane." - Erich Fromm

[@sachinjoseph]

I see what you did there ;-) Ad populum! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

[@SGWeber]

There's also the appeal to being unique: "Stand out from the crowd by buying this product!" or "Everyone else believes it so it must be wrong!"

[@simonhumby323]

And the appeal to gender insecurity - this is what proper men/women do/look like etc. I've got a feeling there are or will be LGBQT examples too.

[@Nana-wi4gi]

@@simonhumby323 What... that's not a fallacy?

[@RasmusVJS]

@@Nana-wi4gi Really it's kinda a variant of the No True Scotsman fallacy. "No true man/woman would do/look like that."

[@chrono-glitchwaterlily8776]

@@Nana-wi4gi it's basically the opposite from the op from what I'm understanding. The need to fit in, per se

[@thenumbertwo9136]

Ive nicknamed that one the 'not like other girls' fallacy

[@la1649]

In my opinion, You said the the key sentence... “It is good to point at what it is that makes meaningful discussions impossible” I appreciate that wording very much because you did not say point at who. Love that! Just one word makes a big difference.

[@RandyKaplanMusic]

Yep. She avoided the ad hominem fallacy there!

[@cmm5542]

I love fallacies. Or, more accurately, I love finding, exploring, and tabulating them like this! I read my first logic book in high school, A Rulebook for Arguments, and I learned MUCH more about good argumentation from the Appendix on fallacies in the back than I did from the rest of the book or even my collegiate logic classes. This was a fun reminder of that, thanks Jill. After all, you have to be able to spot a bad argument before you can make a good one yourself! Or, 'if you only read one newspaper, read the enemy's.' Or . . . something like that, anyway. 😁

[@avivastudios2311]

That's a good quote. Know any other good videos about fallacies?

[@cmm5542]

@@avivastudios2311 I haven't really looked - they tend to pop up in my recommended viewing from time to time now that I've watched this one! 😄

[@kylewashburn5840]

Good lord I hope you're talking about participating in actual debate. BecUse if this is about online arguements... then this is sooooo sad.

[@devincory9695]

Things I've learned today: 1. My flat has tiny doors. 2. Zog The Great is infallible. 3. 2+2 = 4.5 4. I am a ghost. 5. If it's not barking it's not a dog.

[@stm7810]

honestly, you being a ghost doesn't hurt anyone so sure be a ghost, I'll respect that

[@blindleader42]

I'm happy that the youtube community is finally getting some education.

[@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable]

2. That depends on how many men thinks it's 4.5 and how many women thinks it. We should rely on the minority really, so the womens choice should matter more.

[@emmys6457]

@@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable I'm not like saying this to be anti-feminist or anything (because people on the internet assume lots of things, and I'm like 100% feminist)... but why should the minority opinion matter more than the majority unless we know for a fact the majority is stupid (most men I've met don't think 2+2 = 4.5).

[@williamspringer9447]

Devin Cory ••• (1) It hard to lie to people who have been taught to effectively use the science of classical logic to understand real-world deceptive arguments. (2)The State used lies to control the population . (3) State controlled public schools haven't taught the science of classical logic for more than a century.

[@twoninety]

"Take this belladonna. It's VERY natural."

[@Rognik]

I've always wanted to use this whenever people praise all-natural products. Yeah, well so are many poisons.

[@twoninety]

@@Rognik Yup.

[@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394]

It doesn't get more natural than arsenic, lead or mercury.

[@twoninety]

@@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394 Or poison hemlock.

[@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394]

@@twoninety Elements are fundamental particles... yer hemlock and belladonna poisons are molecules that required metabolic processes.

[@lhotse1716]

This video should be a part of the terms and conditions for using social media.

[@wirelesmike73]

I was going to say: "But... How will the trolls have any fun?" But, then I was like: "Naaah. They know exactly what they're doing." -_^

[@KuZiMeiChuan]

There would be no people left. Good idea.

[@tristanmoller9498]

Then no one would watch it

[@milpy1257]

Except some fallacies are pretty finicky. Someone who doesn't understand the debate could easily call for a Strawman when what they're doing is a Steelman. It's better to let YT videos and the debaters themselves to point the fallacies out.

[@KuZiMeiChuan]

@@milpy1257 I disagree. Why should we leave the responsibility of thinking to anyone else?

[@DMvodkard]

Great examples. I’m a mathematician, and couldn’t help but think back to this concept: If A -> B, then -B -> -A. Yet there are a large subset of people that think: If A -> B, then -A -> -B Again, good job and great effort!

[@42roadsforman]

My favorite equivocation joke is from 'Office Space' "Looks like you've been missing a lot of work lately." " I wouldn't say I've been 'missing' it, Bob. "

[@zhou_sei]

punny

[@janlarsen7138]

"How many people work here?" "About half"

[@brinx8634]

@@janlarsen7138 "How many dead people are in that graveyard?".........

[@josephmanno4514]

Thank you, Jill, for noting the distinction between Appeal to Authority and Fallacious Appeal to Authority. Even some logicians fail to differentiate the two on occasion.

[@brinckau]

I think it's always a fallacy. But it's a formal fallacy, not an informal fallacy (see Wikipedia). If I'm an 8 year-old and say that Einstein was wrong about relativity, then formally, being an 8 year-old versus Einstein doesn't prove that I'm wrong. But informally, everybody knows that I'm wrong. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

[@friedrice207]

@@pashadyne 1:57 she mentions it right here :)

[@friedrice207]

@@pashadyne click the timestamp.

[@friedrice207]

@@pashadyne I did. That's how I found it. :)

[@friedrice207]

​@@pashadyne she only mentioned "fallacious appeal to authority" by name but basic comprehension skills that we all learn as children allow you to read between the lines, appealing to an authority on a subject (e.g. what a doctor says about a medical issue) is one thing, what makes it fallacious is when you appeal to an authority on a subject that is completely different to the topic on hand, e.g. what a doctor says about music theory. although she did not use the words "appeal to authority" precisely the only place in this section where she makes a distinction is alluding to the fact that it is reasonable to defer to someone who is an authority on a particular subject, therefore utilizing basic comprehension we can assess this is what OP was referring to when they praised Jill for making a distinction. i entered this discussion trying to be completely civil, giving you a timestamp in case you missed something, but i have to say i really do not appreciate your condescending tone.

[@blcrlink3d138]

It’s scandalous how “logic” isn’t yet a subject taught in school to kids.

[@williamjenkins4913]

Kids brains are not done growing. They literally can't handle most critical thinking.

[@fecomate2542]

It is.

[@blcrlink3d138]

@@williamjenkins4913 they can be taught. Like you teach them music and chess in early age. Same as logic

[@juanausensi499]

Because the world runs on appeal to emotion.

[@moniquemoen7125]

Here, in the US, critical thinking is generally taught in the home, or not at all it seems. Sigh.

[@magnusprime962]

Just wanted to comment that my college is using this video as a resource for Critical Thinking courses. As a long-time fan of the channel, this made me happy. Cheers!

[@colt4667]

If a convicted bank robber tells you not to rob banks that is still good advice.

[@colt4667]

@Chris Jones I never thought of that.

[@The268170]

I recommend against robbin' a bank.

[@The268170]

@Chris Jones build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a night. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. Heh.

[@Xiph1980]

Are you really going to take advice from a convicted criminal??

[@The268170]

@@Xiph1980 dont be a bigot

[@pRahvi0]

My favourite is the misusing of words because of the nearly endless comedy it can provide. E.g. in one episode of _The new adventures of Winnie The Pooh,_ the title character gets jailed for breaking the law of gravity.

[@AndrewD8Red]

This video is a public service. I've referenced this video many times while arguing with random dudebros, flat earthers and antivaxxers. You're doing your part to make the world a better place.

[@mboehmer]

Great content! I world love 31 follow-up videos, one deep dive per fallacy. So that I can really learn them by heart. Ideally, those videos would include some exercise to think for ourselfs. There was no time for that in this video, but it would greatly increase the learning experience in deep dive videos!

[@zzanatos2001]

When I was a very low-ranking member of the military, I was attending a seminar about management and leadership. Halfway through the lecture, I raised my hand to ask a question about some of the speaker's assertions. In response, the instructor condescendingly asked, "Who are YOU to question me about management theory?" I replied, "Well since you asked - I recently completed a masters degree in management at Park University, so I think I know a little about it." (Then the audience immediately burst into laughter.) He was attempting a fallacious appeal to authority, but I trumped him with my own fallacious appeal to authority.

[@funkyflames7430]

Ah yes, the good old my fallacy is bigger than your fallacy.

[@solar0wind]

@@funkyflames7430 Sometimes you have to beat people with their own weapons. E.g. yesterday my boyfriend conplained about me using an English word in a sentence in our language and he said "We have such a beautiful language. Why do you have to use English words??". Afterwards, he went gaming and talked to friends on Discord and gamer language is full of English words in I guess all languages. So I memorised all the words derived from other languages (mostly English of course) that he used to tell him later. Also, I told him about all the normal words in our language that are actually derived from e.g. Latin that he used. Yeah, maybe childish, but now he probably learnt quite a bit about our language and hopefully will refrain from calling me out when I use English words in the future.

[@yunarukami14]

@@solar0wind Do you happen to be Greek, btw?

[@solar0wind]

@@yunarukami14 No, but the first two letters are the same😂 I'm German. We have language purists as well😅

[@yunarukami14]

@@solar0wind Oh, Germany is one of my favourite countries. Cheers! A friend from Indonesia

[@WRLO56]

One of my favourite - or least favourite - is the "no argument argument", in which you simply state a surprising/shocking fact in such a way that it makes your side look noble and virtuous, while making the other side appear the embodiment of evil. Example: "In the recent war between Fantasia and Narnia, 3000 Narnian children were killed by Fantasian rockets, while only 50 Fantasian children died from Narnian gunfire. Implied conclusion: "Good lord, those poor Narnians! Those Fantasians are horrible baby-killing monsters!" Alternative explanation: Fantasians moved their children out of the contested areas, and installed bomb shelters in all schools and daycare centres; while the Narnians used their own children as human shields and child soldiers.

[@SaimaTheGreat]

Holy shit. This is why the whole picture is so important

[@eidiazcas]

Cherry picking

[@benzenefire]

👌👌👌

[@jarahfluxman20]

You're really trying to lather on the Israel Palestine thing here

[@WRLO56]

@@jarahfluxman20 Well, you're the one who made that connection. So obviously, there's some truth to my point, then.

[@robertlehnert4148]

Chronological Snobbery (Opposite of Appeal to Tradition): Something is more valid because it is modern, newer.

[@giasharie274]

This one should have been included as well

[@feanorofsunspear2320]

chronological snobbery is newer and therefore more valid

[@robertlehnert4148]

@@feanorofsunspear2320 if newer, more recent is ALL you got, it's still a fallacy.

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

That's just a non-sequitur, we don't really need to get more specific than that.

[@robertlehnert4148]

@@dontmisunderstand6041 Ok, Chronological Snobbery is newer, is more valid just because it's newer, hence a fallacy, gotcha

[@abimusic3]

Here’s one: The sunk costs fallacy. It essentially means that say “I’ve waited in this 4 hour long queue for 2 hours, I can’t leave now but a 2 hour long queue is too long to join” or “ooh look that bread has been reduced from €6 to €4. That must mean it’s cheap!” But the €4 bread is to expensive if not reduced from something else.

[@alexbeltran9525]

Ha! Reminds me of *insert political party* !

[@aaronshan51]

take a shot everytime a politician uses a logical fallacy during a debate

[@michaelstuart1325]

Aaron Shan but I don’t want to die!

[@aaronjones1666]

Damn Whigs

[@IncrediPaulAZ]

@@aaronshan51 we'll be wasted in minutes lol!

[@shevek5185]

Ben Shapiro

[@holdtightandpretenditsapla9604]

"Yoga teachers are not dietitians. Therefore, I should eat cake." I don't know, this logic seems very sound to me...

[@RogerCRocha]

HoldTightAndPretendItsAPlan 🤣

[@macleadg]

HoldTightAndPretendItsAPlan Clearly wrong. You should not eat cake. You should send it to me to eat it on your behalf.

[@grumpyoldman3458]

I need to think about that ... ... while I eat this cake.

[@purplepeopleperson3815]

@@grumpyoldman3458 Here, have my piece of cake too, so you can think about it longer, lol. While you're doing that I will be baking a second cake.

[@grumpyoldman3458]

@@purplepeopleperson3815 Thanks.

[@HollywoodF1]

This video gave me flashbacks to many frustrating conversations. Particular people's faces kept popping into my head.

[@thegreattotemaster]

Same.

[@KevinWMoor]

I absolutely adore KZbin when it throws up a channel I'm not expecting. I'm very grateful for the recommendation of this video!

[@ShudowWolf]

"Here, take this belladonna, it's very natural!" Me: "What's 'belladonna'?" *Googling occurs* 'Atropa belladonna, commonly known as belladonna or deadly nightshade, is a poisonous perennial herbaceous plant in the nightshade family Solanaceae...' "Oh noes..."

[@truckwarrior5944]

You saved me a few seconds there, thanks!

[@robertnett9793]

Well... it has a medical use in certain quantities. At least back in the day, when they cured fevers with mercury and such :D

[@texmjm5018]

Hey Jill, I thought this was great! As a long time Christian, I can see how many (er... maybe all) occur within my own life. I can be bettter! Thanks for helping me on my journey.

[@pd4165]

As a long term atheist, I can see how many occur within my own life. I want that comma to DIE. But it would dilute mine intention.

[@kingofcards9]

God bless you.

[@jasonmartin4775]

Logic! Why don't they teach logic at these schools?

[@naejimba]

Because then you can use it to critique the very government who steals money from the people to pay for those schools, and they rely heavily on fallacies like appeal to emotion, guilt by association, appeal to tradition, etc.

[@pineapplepenumbra]

Also, the voters would then see through the "arguments" that politicians try to bamboozle the public with.

[@edd542]

Because then politicians can't control your emotions.

[@zandromex8985]

I´m actually studying logic rith now. I´m Spanish btw

[@SebastianTurkalj]

They do in Croatia

[@jakegallagher5788]

I had to pause and rewind this video countless times because every fallacy presented made me stop and think, losing focus on the next one. Super good video

[@delux420]

Title: 31 logical fallacies in 3 minutes Alternative Title: *Every type of crazy uncle in 3 minutes*

[@borucharnold9406]

Or one super uncle in 3 minutes.

[@ozen3348]

It's 8 minutes

[@zzzcocopepe]

Twitter and reddit in three minutes

[@borucharnold9406]

@@zzzcocopepe I don't see many fallacies on Reddit. People there usually just say you're wrong and downvote you. That's not a logical fallacy, it's saying shut up and conform to the hive mind.

[@zzzcocopepe]

@@borucharnold9406 lol don't be contradictory

[@scooobydoo27]

I disliked this video, because it says “fallacies in 8 minutes”, but it’s really 8 minutes AND 10 seconds, so you can’t trust anything that’s in it.

[@outofcontextallen3408]

LMAO

[@sirkennymchiphop]

There’s a fallacy in your observation: the fallacies she presented were all stated within 8 minutes. The last portion of the video was promotional information. So the title of the video is accurate. 😄

[@scooobydoo27]

@@sirkennymchiphop Oh, so now you're saying that I'm spreading a falsehood and that little children are going to grow up to tell lies, become delinquents, and democracy will be dead. Is that what you're saying?

[@mistresstlc8201]

Roflmao! (Yes I literally lol'd...)

[@bella-bee]

Some of those fallacies made me think we need lessons in spotting hyperbole

[@bobbobbly7900]

"even a clock that's stopped is right twice a day" ...a clock that's one minute slow is never right

[@stm7810]

but they're close and any decent human being can compensate for the slight inaccuracy.

[@deivisony]

Well. Actually time & space get faster every time the time passes, by the relativity theory it will get slow until it resets and get perfeclty balanced has all thing in nature should be.

[@muhammaddaffamarbun2889]

Well move few kilometers to the west, and now it's always right.

[@ryanconaway4777]

Deivison Carvalho time and space get faster every time time passes...? What

[@bobbobbly7900]

@@stm7810 dear oh dear oh dear ..must be tough to have no sense of humour

[@mechamacabre8962]

The sayings 'when arguing with a fool, first make sure you don't have the same opinion' and 'before disagreeing with someone, walk a mile in their shoes' (forgive me if I butchered those) come to mind, which are good to keep in mind when it comes to fallacies, after all, an arguement is like a window, a different view from each side

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

I always walk a mile in the shoes of those I disagree with, because when they get angry, they're one mile away and shoeless😊.

[@grumpyoldman3458]

"Something must be done. This is something. Therefore this must be done"

[@allenjenkins7947]

Explained in an episode of "Yes Minister" as the "My dog is a cat" fallacy. "All cats have four legs. My dog has four legs. Therefore my dog is a cat."

[@EladLerner]

There's the inverse to the appeal to authority - Bad Person did A Thing, there for A Thing is bad. Example - The murderer played a video game before the shooting, so we should ban video games!

[@JorWat25]

I think that's known as 'Reductio ad Hitlerum' en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum

[@digitaljanus]

I think that's "post hoc, ergo proptor hoc", i.e. correlation does not equal causation. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc

[@dragonballjiujitsu]

The murderer use a gun, well guns are evil and we must ban the evil magical object. We have no guns now. The murderer used a knife. We must ban these evil knives!

[@ekpurdy]

That's the Genetic Fallacy.

[@ashleyb7335]

Haha! I use that a lot. My mom told me to have a bath. I said No i won't because Hitler used to bath too and I'm not going to follow him.

[@marleee.2174]

“The law of gravity can be repealed” *starts to float*

[@PhilJonesIII]

I imagine that could be fun, for about 15 minutes.

[@ronumpleby3517]

One evening Rene Descartes went to relax at a local tavern. The tender approached and said, "Ah, good evening Monsieur Descartes! Shall I serve you the usual drink?". Descartes replied, "I think not.", and promptly vanished.

[@hillaryclinton2415]

Law of man vs law of nature. One is established, one just is.

[@jamesfloyd1864]

@@ronumpleby3517 "therefore" ...

[@porcudracului]

@@ronumpleby3517 no reply to the best joke? Surely, they're joking. Sorry for calling you Shirley. Here's another one: What do you call a school superintendent without any subordinates? A man without principals.

[@mrchaotiq]

I had an acquaintence post a video of a nurse talking talking about why the Covid vaccines were bad (clearly an appeal to authority) I pointed out that there are Doctors who are also in the medical field who disagree with her. All sorts of idiocy ensued after that and I was called every name under the sun, goal posts were shifted, strawmen erected, it was pretty entertaining to see an adult that couldn't be challenged without having a literal tantrum.

[@persephoneves]

The whole lockdown and vaccine campaign were a treasure trove of logical fallacies heaped upon us: appeal to authority, moving the goalpost, false cause, tu quoque...We all need these lessons to protect us from the authorities so hopefully they don't pull the wool over our eyes again.

[@chrisanderson7820]

Middle ground fallacy is my favourite, gets used by people in business every day to avoid confrontation and it always makes you seem like the bad guy because ... "you're being unreasonable or argumentative". You then have to go back over the whole argument from the start to show you aren't being unreasonable, just right.

[@jasonkinzie8835]

People who reject view points because they are too radical are guilty of this fallacy.

[@shuruktigarajeswaran9852]

@@jasonkinzie8835 yea I see this a lot from centrists lol

[@jamiedorsey4167]

As a moderate who does get accused of this at times. I'm often coming more from a pragmatic, democratic perspective rather than a truth perspective. Maybe the radical idea has merit or is more true, but in the end we all have to agree on a solution rather than the people with the right ideas imposing them on everyone else. Also, radicals need to check out the false dichotomy fallacy.

[@jasonkinzie8835]

@jamiedorsey4167 Fair enough. My point is that any idea on the so called political spectrum should be judged by its merits and not where it is on this spectrum. A spectrum which itself is subject to historical circumstance. (And therefore not objective in an ahistorical sense.).

[@tafazzi-on-discord]

That's what murder apologists always try to use against those that want to protect the life of children.

[@rockwallaby550]

in the American presidential debates-- their should be both fact checking and fallacy referees

[@sunshinelynee5488]

👏 👏 👏 👏

[@joee7850]

Go look in the mirror.

[@rockwallaby550]

@@joee7850 what's your meaning?

[@joee7850]

@@rockwallaby550 It's the responsibility of the voter to decide for themselves which candidate is their best choice. I assume you would want unbiased referees. How would they be chosen when it's damn near impossible to decide on Supreme Court Justices who are unbiased?

[@psinjo]

once you learn about the fallacies / learn to identify them I guarantee, you will never be able to watch a high class political debate again. Some people liked trump, some people didn't, honestly I never got that far, because he used so many logical fallacies I could barely even keep track of what he said (not saying his opponents didn't as well)

[@liamgriffin218]

One of my favourite things to say when someone mentions that "Oh, well we do it because of tradition!" is "Tradition is just succumbing to peer pressure from dead people."

[@csmith8503]

Much like "consensus", except for living people on a bandwagon.

[@johnnemeth6913]

I consider tradition to be the epitome of intellectual laziness. Some traditions may have been correct in their time, but not in the modern world. Other traditions were never correct. This doesn't mean all traditions are bad. Traditions need to be evaluated in context. In other words, don't do something simply because it is a tradition, do something because it is a good tradition. Doing something simply because it is a tradition is bad and is an extremely bad argument.

[@jonmichaelgalindo]

Tradition is inherently good. It's the collection of every good idea that has survived the test of time. E.g. marriage (which is the first tradition that comes to mind). Reasonable Person: "Marriage is a tradition we need to preserve. Statistics show that a child with two parents is more likely to have a better life by every social, economic, and health metric." Anti-marriage Anti-traditionalist: "That's outdated, elitist tradition spoon-fed to you by..." (Rambles on about how tradition is evil.) Do you disagree? Did I just misunderstand your point somehow? Tradition is (with _very_ rare exceptions) good for good reasons. Saying something is tradition is akin to saying, "We already know exactly how this works and what its consequences are."

[@marconarvaez9871]

Then again, going against tradition doesn't necessarily mean you're right either.

[@timothydonlan9112]

The issue with tradition is that sometimes the tradition is there for a reason. Arbitrarily dismissing tradition because of the alleged logical fallacy may result in unintended consequences. One needs to very careful about why the tradition is there in the first place.

[@WilburJaywright]

I think a classic example of Tu Quoque is when a sibling says “You’re not dad, [therefore I can not listen to you without consequence, and so you should just leave me alone].” Honoring your parents isn’t the only reason you should do what they say, for example if they’re telling you to look both ways.

[@nobodyoimport]

the red herring / appeal to emotion are me when i'm trying to convince people the fictional villains i stan aren't that bad

[@save_bandit]

lmaoo same. “but... they had a traumatic childhood” 🥺🥺

[@mustafaal-nidawi2838]

@@save_bandit PLSS SAMEEE I won’t stop tho 😍😍🤷🏻

[@tasneemahmed5821]

Having gone through trauma or any kind of mental illness doesn't excuse you making it everyone's problem. It absolutely bafflrs me how someone can justify bullying because the bully had problems at home. Just because your parents are hitting you or are getting a divorce doesn't give you the right to terrorize and ruin the life of a child. The same argument goes with villains. Oh and it doesn't make you special to like villains by the way or that you "understand" them.

[@save_bandit]

@@tasneemahmed5821 1:19

[@realmothchu]

@@tasneemahmed5821 u must be fun at parties

[@blushmuffin5259]

I hate the Strawman fallacy...because my S.O. uses this all the time, because he thinks its funny...it's not: "I'm not a can of Camila Cabello." "So what you're saying is that you don't want to support Latin artists."

[@alexsmith2910]

Yeah, he's not as funny as he thinks he is.

[@KatRocksLOL]

dump him lmao

[@daymi7300]

@@alexsmith2910 that's what happens when you've been a bad boy

[@MrShyguyRS]

Ok but who doesn't like Camila Cabello???

[@tacohammer7023]

That's actually a non sequitur and a strawman. Double whammie

[@jamarcusbonquaviustoiletro8520]

imagine you’re in 3rd grade and someone asks you “does ur mom know ur gay” and you whip out that “well actually, johnathan, that question is a loaded question fallacy, when you ask a question with an assumption built in that will make me look bad regardless of my answer”

[@commandercaptain4664]

*Doogie Howser has entered the chat*

[@ADAJ342]

If you say shit like that you're practically asking to get bullied.

[@薇vern]

@@ADAJ342 I think if you say it with the right tone you can get them to fear you

[@ADAJ342]

@@薇vern , sure but there are much easier and more effective ways to do so.

[@anarnarqelion4403]

@@ADAJ342 I think it depends on whether or not the others can follow you. If they can, you just looked smart and called the other out on his dumb BS. If they can't, you're a stuck up nerd and everyone thinks "what?"

[@Maninawig]

I love how you used a dog refference for red herring, as the term derrives from using the red pickled herring meat to try and distract training hound dogs so they learn not to lose a scent.

[@yeetusselfdefeetus4566]

"take this belladonna, its very natural" *dies of laughter* ... *and then dies of poisoning*

[@jmagana166]

Yeetus Self Defeetus 🤣

[@dodododododododo8216]

Self destructivus

[@jlupus8804]

YOLO: You Only Die Twice

[@metaparalysis3441]

here take some glowy frog poison

[@pd4165]

'dies laughing' would be a more efficient, and pointed, use of words.

[@OHYS]

Everyone should be forced to complete a test on this topic before being allowed comment on KZbin. Edit 2 years later: obviously this would be a bad idea idk why i commented this

[@shanerooney7288]

Okay. But only if the test is written in Swahili

[@rickh3714]

Isn't the whole point of YT the inane comment - corrected!

[@user-ff1ws1sf2u]

nice appealing to authority there, as though the viewing of a video on fallacies should be allowed to dictate whether a person can comment or not on youtube.

[@mccrazy6021]

"...being allowed comment on KZbin."

[@TimothySielbeck]

*WHAT!* And ruin the entertainment value of comments? *_NEVER!!!_*

[@theZakasol]

my gosh this comment section is rather charming compared to the rest of youtube I think ill stay a while and have some tea and biscuits.

[@wirelesmike73]

Same =)

[@Steve-h-v]

Same here it's a shame this stuff wasn't taught in school. Instead of being taught the Prussian education / mimicry system using the servile and utilitarian arts. I wish I was taught the liberal arts instead. So I have been teaching myself for the last year about logical fallacies and sophistry and a bit of NLP but all I have is a few PDFs from universities. Can anyone point me to any good resources please on logical fallacy and maybe some stuff on syllogism and enthymemes thank you

[@kenwalter3892]

So you can't have tea and biscuits if the comment section isn't charming?

[@ancbi]

@@kenwalter3892 that's an 'I-remembered-contrapostive-rule-but-use-it-wrong' fallacy.

[@eonstar]

+steve h v I would say it's taught, but not emphasized much.

[@42roadsforman]

I like videos about critical thinking Jill. I know your whole channel has changed however it would be nice to see you completely deep dive into critical thinking. I love this stuff. And you're really good at it

[@junimo-hexed]

Here is one that I've seen in real life. "You're homophobic because you don't like guys in croptops. Gay guys wear croptops so not liking gay guys in croptops makes you homophobic." Straw man, black and white, no true Scotsman, etc.

[@junimo-hexed]

@@TomorrowWeLive homophobia is real. It is a bad thing.

[@CreativeUsernameEh]

@@TomorrowWeLive You're kidding, right?

[@Nana-wi4gi]

@@junimo-hexed Oh look you attracted a homophobe

[@Nana-wi4gi]

Also- not liking guys in crop tops can be homophobic DEPENDING on your reasoning. If you just don't think it looks good obviously that's fine. But if you think it's a sign of the impending destruction of western society, there's probably something a little deeper there lol

[@mushroom_e]

I'd say it could be an indication of whether or not a person is homophobic, based on the largely overlapping Venn diagram of homophobes and people who think men shouldn't wear crop tops edit: grammar

[@nicolevose3066]

7:09 My favorite argument that I have ever heard is the one that went like this: Person 1: People usually base their world view on logic, facts are a great way to convince people. Person 2: Would you like to read this article, I recently saw on Face Book that says otherwise, that human beings are naturally predisposed to cognitive dissonance and that proving someone wrong usually makes them more positive that they are right. Person 1: Even if you showed me a study, I still wouldn't believe that.

[@virtuallyreal5849]

It took me a minute to get the joke because I wasn't sure who the speakers were, but that is really funny.

[@shokvalu8819]

Some of the world's most beautiful irony.

[@SingingSealRiana]

OK, this IS hilarious

[@uoabigaillevey]

'a study' is only evidence for or against a position.. but is it enough to prove or disprove the position? Studies can be flawed. It should take multiple studies that come to the same conclusion or show significantly similar end results/data to actually prove or disprove a position. A single study can be used as a compelling argument, however, if the source of the study is reputable and not biased in it's methodology.

[@TheWorstThingEver]

I hope to one day employ every one of these tactics in a single argument.

[@AmaranthOriginal]

I hear if you do, you automatically win the argument.

[@wirelesmike73]

I hope I never have to meet you. lol

[@BertleMcGertle]

A Green so do you plan on being the next Bill Maher or Sean Hannity?

[@RIckSanchez-xb9qe]

you should join any group on facebook! my dopamine levels have been high since Ive been using these fallacies

[@unclekanethetiberiummain1994]

Amaranth And also cause a singularity, deleting you, your opponent and everything in 3240 meters radius.

[@graflovespeep2487]

My favorite is the Slippery Slope fallacy, because everytime someone asks 'Where are we gonna stop?', the answer is always somewhere.

[@SingingSealRiana]

Yeah, but somewhere IS Not very specific and I rather Not start then go way to far when IT comes to Things Like childabuse, pushing peoples bounderies, discrimination and coming Up with justifications to treat someone thats a Bit different Like subhuman. There are some slippery slopes where escalation IS proven to BE very likely and very detramental

[@danielwarren7110]

yeah like the saying " always find my keys in the last place i look" well of course you are not going to continue looking for your keys once you have found them it is always in the last place you look --- is one of the saying i hate the most

[@appiedellah]

Don't know why I got this recommended but thanks youtube

[@eckdavid2472]

I`m deeply mistrustful of Google and facebook and the other tech companies, but damn I get some good videos recommended to me sometimes.

[@chrisstar969]

Abdellah Id Abdellah: false.

[@MariposaRedimida]

@@eckdavid2472 It's based on your history, they're figuring out what you'd click on.

[@emilandreasson9670]

Same tbh

[@oscarwahlberg1837]

same

[@b.carson8202]

You have successfully managed to point out EVERY flat-earth arguement.

[@7_red24]

5:14

[@grendelum]

But muh laws of perspective...

[@obergssin]

And all our water came from melting comets ...?

[@georgepantzikis7988]

@@obergssin Of course not. The Great and Powerful Water Bucket™ blessed us with His gift of water. Praise be to Him

[@robo3007]

Also every climate change denying, creationist, anti-vax or pro-gun argument.

[@Alexo1954]

I liked the one about Zorg the Great and the book written by him which must be true because it was written by Zorg who reckons everything in the book is true because.... Isn't this the solid basis for a lot of the world's religions?

[@DrunkenUFOPilot]

But... but.. I have The Great Book of The Great Ymdvxi and on page 18 it says: "The Great Ymdvxi is great and always right and beyond question and thou shalt not trust anything written by Zorg who is a braggart and a liar." Now what should I believe?? :(

[@Alexo1954]

@@DrunkenUFOPilot Ha ha ha, indeed!

[@PatrickKQ4HBD]

You'd be right, except for the nagging problem of specific predictions about the future that came to be fulfilled. If Ymdvxi said 700 years ago that a meteor will land at (your address), and then it did, you'd either be inclined to believe, or nothing could ever possibly persuade you.

[@datfisheboi6519]

Patrick Poe For every one prophecy that was kinda vaguely fulfilled, there are like three or four that weren’t. And that wouldn’t prove literally everything in the Bible was true even if it did get many things right.

[@xCorvus7x]

@@PatrickKQ4HBD A truthful prophecy only tells you that there is/might be something. _What_ that is, has yet to be discovered by a closer look, further investigation. And for the record, for a prophecy to count, it must be somehow demonstrated to be uttered before the fact it foretold.

[@shanelepono4482]

I've watched a few of these videos, I just stumbled upon them recently. I like how you guys always do the fallacy fallacy last.

[@AgentThursday]

I was convinced that pirates prevented global warming. You’ve destroyed my worldview.

[@commandercaptain4664]

Well, they used to live in AntRRRRRRRRRRtica.

[@tjfrye11]

@@commandercaptain4664 also the arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrctic

[@AgentThursday]

@@commandercaptain4664 Yaarrrrrrr

[@LunaKeller]

I was looking for my fellow pastafarians in the comments 😂 Good to see you

[@papyrus9761]

She's not an expert on global warming, therefore you cannot trust her data

[@davidodonovan1699]

"I am a ghost." I saw a talk show interview possibly 2 decades ago, of people that claimed that they where vampires, and a critic of them that offered them a contract: The critic has a check of I think it was ten thousand US dollars or maybe ten million US dollars, to anyone claiming tk be a vampire, if they could take a direct gunshot to the head, get up, and then take the check...because it was an ordinary bullet to the head, vampires being able to apparently take unlimited damage, and not a stake in the heart or direct sunlight or anything like that. The contract obviously clearing the critic from all legal liability incase of the alleged vampires death from being shot in the head. None of the alleged vampires took up the challenge if I remember correctly.

[@allenjenkins7947]

Some excellent opportunities for shifting the goalposts here "But it was daylight." "The bullets were jacketed and the jackets may have contained silver." "It wasn't a full moon." or "It was too cloudy. "

[@hotlaser]

Reminds me of James Randi's One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge...

[@allenjenkins7947]

@@hotlaser I think his money is pretty safe.

[@Tokmurok]

@@allenjenkins7947 just go vampire hunting. Smh.

[@xingcat]

I find it very hard to believe there are 31 whole fallacies that can be explained in just 8 minutes. I mean, I'm an expert in fish farming, therefore I cannot believe that you, someone who talks about movies on KZbin, could know them. I mean, if that were the case, obviously, you think the world should be ruled by KZbin reviewers, and you can see how much that makes me sad, so you should stop. :)

[@EladLerner]

What?! A real Jill fan would never write such nonsense! It is long been known that almost all of the channel's subscribers aren't you, and since I believe that you are wrong, and I am not you, I'm in the right to say that you wrote nonsense.

[@xingcat]

You know, because you disagree with me, you must be the most evil person in the world.

[@EladLerner]

xingcat How can I be evil if I don't kick puppies?

[@JillBearup]

I love you guys.

[@Phimue]

There are no good comments on KZbin, so this is not KZbin.

[@amos083]

Pointing out logic fallacies has its own risks. I once had a continuous argument with a religious type. His arguments were often like "if A then B" where neither A nor B were true, and the logic by which B follows from A was also faulty. But when I tried to answer like "Even if A is true, B doesn't follow" his reply would be like "Here! You admit that A is true!"

[@andrewclarkehomeimprovement]

But absence of evidence is not evidence of absence....maybe. Your friend's argument is Boolean in nature. If A is true and B is true then A and B are true etc etc. If Elephants are grey and battleships are grey, then elephants must be battleships and battleships of course are elephants, everyone knows that.

[@autolykos9822]

So, basically the hattrick of being wrong :) I find "proves too much" to be a good way to point out bad premises or arguments (show that the same premise and argument can also "prove" absurd conclusions). But that probably only works when the audience has at least a basic understanding of formal logic...

[@veniankween130]

I feel this so hard. I tried to create a debate club in the eighth grade, but it got disbanded immediately because the only people that joined were some boys that didn’t take it seriously and they all would only take the same side (straight up refused to debate the other side). I ended up being the only one on the other side, arguing with 7 other people, all of which doing this exact thing

[@scribblecloud]

you cant argue with stupid

[@tafazzi-on-discord]

We're in luck that no logical fallacy is to be found in Aquinas argument from efficient causality for the existance of God!