Reading Sonneiko's side of the story

[@cloudstrife6621]

"Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it." -Mike Tyson

[@Aciel_Yu]

Social media has made y'all way too comfortable quoting tough guys, and feeling like you are one of them.

[@HatiKeseorangan]

@@Aciel_Yu they all hypocrite.. thats all... They are saint like snowfailko, never toxic in their life... U should believe it... 🤣

[@xunjin8897]

Can I be honest? This toxicity should be refrained, this is escalating quickly when the problem that pro players are given the card "be a jerk, it's ok". It's time for DotA to learn to be a better place. I'm tired of games where toxicity is the norm.

[@HatiKeseorangan]

i am ok... its because thats is funny and no one takes so individual, that's just a game toxic, he not toxic to your parents or racist... u see how bzm toxic each other with queen and ammar...

[@tokemotoke1728]

You need safe space?

[@weaselsdawg]

@@tokemotoke1728 feels like orgs that have sponsors should try and get some amount of professionalism from the people representing them, maybe thats just me though. aint hard to be an adult

[@iwanmengerikan]

jadi toxic sekarang udah dinormalisasi sekarang mas? ayolahh​@@HatiKeseorangan

[@sperglordsama412]

@@HatiKeseorangan its fine to be toxic, but don't run coward when other try to hurt you. And don't use what happen in game stay in game, because other may not thinking like that. It is what it is, back up your words.

[@chad63]

ammar kept teasing and sending out provoking messages even after sonneiko confronted him about his toxic behaviour. he asked for it and nearly got it, especially when the players you insult have the potential to meet you on lans. i hope next time he gets it. ps. just wanna see some lan action🤣

[@HatiKeseorangan]

@@chad63 so u can change to MLBB or find any game have rules like a library? What a hypocrite... Dead brain msg in PUBLIC GAME make u feel so personal attack and find any ppl to punch... May I ask u? U are saint which is never typings anything toxic during play dota to your enemy ? 🤔

[@chad63]

yes im a saint. get it? no you wont. coz youre also brain dead lmao. now go punch your screen

[@Draco-w3x]

So surprise guys, the entirety of team Falcons are toxic? who would have thought. Biggest keyboard warriors in Malr1ne, ATF, Skitter. Not to mention Cr1t who actually physically assaulted Notail?! But it`s always nice to see Biased Gorgc take the side of his boys who he has platformed countless times on his stream. Also I advise everyone not to get baited into Gorgc`s constant drama baiting persona for views, how many times when teams start actually winning does he all of a sudden want to develop a clout chasing relationship with them? He did it with Team secret, he did it with OG, he did it with Gaimin, and also Falcons. That`s just a short list off the top of my head. Gorgc been a clout demon.

[@mikarosete602]

Typical bully. Victim retaliated. Bully cries then goes to his friends for support

[@poi7603]

This. Honestly, sonneiko story made more sense because skitter is likely that will insitigate fight. The only weird thing for me is that ATF is muslim. How is he this toxic? I played with a lot of muslims but his toxicity is far beyond what i experienced

[@HatiKeseorangan]

@@poi7603 bro, brain death on PUG game... And u do violence during international tournament... This pub game holly normal daily life toxic is normal... No one care it's just a game, just go mute them and play better...

[@poi7603]

@@HatiKeseoranganthat only applies to people you wont see irl. Try to trashtalk someone you would see in person and let see how would that go. Besides, if sonneikos story is to be believe. ATF repeated all his trashtalk and doesnt seems to be caring at all. People were killed in much less reason than that.

[@zepahhuman]

Lowkey sonneiko try to save ATF from really get wasted by other people affected from trashtaslk behavior

[@poi7603]

@@zepahhuman this. Toxic behavior is kind of normal in dota but ATF is on another level. There are other toxic players but only ATF is celebrated when he fails. Goes to show how a lot of players despise him.

[@kevinyudiutama9242]

The original story that we hear is Ammar call Sonneiko 'braindead' and thats all. But the DM show he insulted him much worse. So ammar did under-represent his action 3 months ago. Showing people screenshot of their failing career is much worse than just simply calling people 'braindead'. Not sure why there is no mention of this from Falcon side initially.

[@alhadidputra7349]

Amar the Keyboard Warrior

[@HoriXzon]

This kid cant stop being toxic in game and thinks they will not take account for it irl. This should be a lesson to stop being toxic.

[@j_jr]

I played a game for many years called Lineage 2. There's this guy called dvp from Russia (you can watch videos of him on KZbin), he encountered one of his rivals on a event, things got rough pretty quickly and he punched the guy, dude hit his head against the ground and died after and the boy called dvp went to jail for many years. If Valve and the companies doesnt do nothing about the behavior of his players, I see something like this happening in some time.

[@Agent86th]

2 people are socially awkward and misunderstanding. Both doesn't know how to approach the other.

[@anginribut123]

dont touch other people next time

[@pieroirribarren7003]

All these actors, distracting us while we wait for act 4, nice strategy icefrog

[@SanityDrop]

Truly a mastermind

[@Alex-kf4zf]

Didn't they say that he threatened him physically on Twitter? Because i didn't see that in the screenshots... First lie told seems to be from ATF and Falcons

[@dbzandriod17pro98]

Sonieko put his hands on ammar shoulder and then he said u know what u called me. Thats a psychical

[@bunkersloco9559]

Who would take a photo at the time of the incident lol, especially a fast paced aggression like that.

[@dbzandriod17pro98]

@@bunkersloco9559 they have photo they have proof bro

[@weisoongooi4374]

Sonneiko in message: "I hope you tell me the same to my face", "don't even think that apologise will help you", "you don't have brother i will teach you how to be human" Also Sonneiko statement: "i was honestly surprised. I thought he might explain himself and apologise", " i just wanted to talk" LOL

[@avrm8030]

No matter how hard people, Gorp and Dendi defend Sonneiko, he already damaged his image. I listened to gorp exprience about him on stream. Sonneiko approached Gorp in stockholm afterparty. He reminded gorp about how gorp blamed him in pubs because Sonneiko was smurfing. Gorp said he didnt remember. Maybe he is a good guy, but his action and his behaviour, holding grudges ?

[@rain3013]

Not at all. Proper minded players would respond different way than Ammar when Sonneiko asked him "Do u remember what you call me?". At least say "My bad man that was just some heat from losing pub" or if you don't feel bad at least act friendly back without saying much and the conflict is solved. Not actually doubling down in front of their face like what Ammar did. Falcons is just bunch of arrogant kids got their ego inflated because they were winning tournaments and look down on others.

[@zepahhuman]

​@@rain3013agree

[@lowerkey4445]

you're delusional, putting your arm around the shoulder of someone you're not friendly with, and hoping to get a friendly response? asking question like "you remember why we had this conflict?" and hoping for an apology? sounds like someone trying to assert dominance to me And even then I think ammar gave a straight answer, "I did, you're braindead", I mean isn't that kind of sonneiko asking the question and here's the answer type of situation I can guarantee you 100% that gesture were meant to threat not to be friendly, friendly gesture would be to approach with a smile, asking for handshake, and ask nicely "hey can we talk?", not coming from the back and suddenly putting arms around the shoulder, it looked more like sonneiko wanted to choke hold ammar, no matter how you see it

[@ElSenseii17]

@@lowerkey4445your arguement is nonsense. He is a PRO player and they play in LAN before. He is a pro player and should act like one

[@ElSenseii17]

@@lowerkey4445respect begets respect. Everyone has its own limitation. If you’re being toxic online or offline, then you should prepare also for consequences for your action as not everyone can understand such misbehavior

[@swanhtet2482]

toxic meets tilted

[@pradp8210]

You fight trashtalk with trashtalk, or just become a BETTER player than your enemy. Wanna make ATF shut up his mouth? Want to give him a lesson? Do it by beating him in the GAME. The guy always shut up and take the lose when his team got stomped by other team. As a pro player, you literally get paid to play the fucking game. Prove your worth by destroying your enemy in the GAME. I'm not even like how ATF trashtalk, but he is clearly the better player and if you can't defeat him, fucking get better then. You can trashtalk to ATF all you want after you defeat him in the game, and a lot of people probably will even cheer you on this.

[@HatiKeseorangan]

u not like him, u mute him... ez... why need bother so much?

[@HatiKeseorangan]

agree... i also see queen toxic but and call ppl brain death.. or animal... some of them voice voilance like rtz... puppey say they are beast or animal... but in the end that's not so personal its because u can get this on every game on every different ppl... so why are u feel ppl chat brain death only special msg for u? and start msg to punch your face? holly snowfeiko...

[@tuckerwillexposeyou]

NOPE. It's not about just the game it's about the disrespect. The thing is a lot of you kids are so comfortable running your mouth and acting tough online and can't back it up in real life.

[@Willus-f9c]

@@tuckerwillexposeyou wdym? back it up in real life? Trash talk in game is trashtralk in game why does it have to be dealt it in real life? Trashtalking in game (Adults or young) has been there ever since, what's the connection?

[@ateski3477]

U have a great point, but there is such thing called Meta Gaming, he can call him bad,trasn IG and etc related to it, but calling him braindead is personal and out of game provocation so I see why someone would lash out to it.

[@whermit94]

PGL issued their verdict for a reason, this is written professionally, most probably by avulus PR. im sure this was to downplay what sonneiko did and shift blame

[@chibigaynor5252]

Called braindead and then crying and threathening, such a weak minded person. I thought dota player get called braindead every day. If its racist stuff or smth then i would understand.

[@turarbekanuarbek]

What is the difference between braindead and racial slur then? The smallest minority on earth is the individual

[@HatiKeseorangan]

agree... i also see queen toxic but and call ppl brain death.. or animal... some of them voice voilance like rtz... puppey say they are beast or animal... but in the end that's not so personal its because u can get this on every game on every different ppl... so why are u feel ppl chat brain death only special msg for u? and start msg to punch your face? holly snowfeiko...

[@anginribut123]

agree, and there is muted button in dota btw

[@OatDrip777]

the problem is they know each other and on a big league playing against each other and met irl. meanwhile you been called by pub player that you dont even know and probably will never going to met irl. there is a big differences.

[@SummerC]

Gorgc is clearly biased skiter and ammar are his friends

[@haragull_1995]

what happens when a mannerless object meets an easily-tiltable object?

[@Zer-us4wq]

Sonneiko is a gigachad. Primary sch friend, nicest guy in the class. But not to be mess with, he sent class bully 2 teeth out of his face

[@SummerC]

Ammar and gabbi all talk cant fight 😂😂

[@Guzuuuu]

Reap the wind sow the whirlwind. In the world of grown ups, words have consequences. Any person with dignity and self respect who gets insulted stands up for himself. True champions are not arrogant. Thats why this Ammar guy will never be a champ.

[@RISE_BEFORE_YOU_GREECE]

Im Muslim Too But In This Case Is Not About It But Im In Sonneiko Side This Ammar Toxic Cant Be Accept Anymore Sorry For ATF FANGAY 😊 But Sonneiko Wanted To Beat Ammar Is Not True,, Cmon Dude You Are Not A Women,, Grab/Embrace Or Whatever It Its To Him Like That I Don't Think Its Threat ,, Cmon You Growing As Men Ammar Your words Deserve It

[@anginribut123]

there is a mute button in dota if you are so fragile just because you are called braindead

[@rosemi719]

​@@anginribut123 I mean Ammar is fragile too tho IRL 😂😂😂

[@rosemi719]

​@@anginribut123it's just hands on a shoulder nothing harmed has been than 😊 why is he crying 😂😂😂

[@tokemotoke1728]

Triggered by the word "brainrot" lol. Sonneko should have shook hands if his intentions was to make peace. But putting your arms around someone when you just had beef is just straight passive agression to intimate the other

[@anginribut123]

agree, dont touch other people who not your close friend, and there is muted button in dota

[@cmpunk7493]

you are brainrot

[@zepahhuman]

I think sonneiko will learn from this mistake. Atf will continue to entertain us😂

[@ElSenseii17]

We all have our own limits. So dont expect everyone to be okay with toxicity. You cannot normalize toxicity. It makes more sense that he is a PRO player and he should act like one

[@sherumov6472]

why he should shook hands if ammar was insulting him? brainrot is that you can say anything online without any consequences in real life

[@ragberkotobuki41]

Well, its hard to sympathise with Ammar, I bet he is a good guy, but overall he acts like a child and that all "drama" couldve been avoided by Ammar shutting his mouth in a first place. Ngl if he wouldve gotten hit by some upset players that he insulted, I wouldn`t be surprised and wouldn`t be sorry for him. Just grow up man....

[@irvynenorellbayot8865]

remember when kuku said something against the chinese in a pub game? a lot of pro's (including notail) said that hate speech (or something like that) should not be tolerated.

[@NatureFx-7]

This proves that some people can't just back up what they say in game and IRL haha what a hypocrite. So what if someone sometimes plays bad? do you have any right to tell them they're braindead? You can just stfu and play the game as it is. Idiots just can't back their word up. Well, if you look like that you really can't fight IRL. All chats no actions can't even stand up for himself what a hypocrite.

[@rogercoello6801]

It is an online videogame.

[@bunkersloco9559]

Meh a personal story like this got distorted a lot, i rather see the CCTV. But at least i know that he isn't as friendly as what he said.

[@anginribut123]

next time you approach someone with good intentions, don't touch them, just talk to them.

[@cornflakes3071]

no without touching them, they wont feel the degree and seriousness you are trying to tell them. talk is cheap. lets cut the b$

[@qwerykk1410]

​@@cornflakes3071well be prepared to get eliminated or fined afterwards and don't be a bich about it on social media.

[@Zer-us4wq]

Like what ATF said, brain-dead...

[@jedediahjehoshaphat]

​@@cornflakes3071 Still though, depending on the circumstances, any bad faith actor can conflate touching someone as a misdemeanor battery. Also in certain custom, touching someone can be a rude or condescending gesture. So I would personally discourage it.

[@RemakePondation]

​@@cornflakes3071u think touching people is ok when you don't even friends with them? Weirdo

[@emmanuelnatividad7130]

i think toxicity should be stay in game and be friends after and stop trashtalking after game, i always tell ez game to tease enemy ingame but after game i always tell gg nc game in post game or when we secure win.

[@theemperor6540]

its fine because you dont know your opponent, nothing to be mad at. but this one is in the friendlist, and i thought that should mean something.

[@celthric38]

Ok I have been reading this drama for couple of days. So first off, BM or toxicity in games should not be tolerated but people will do it anyway. People also shouldn’t be physical with others because they insulted you. Ammar should really chill with the BMs and harsh words specially he is a Pro. Sonneiko on the other-hand didn’t handle this well IMO. Looking at the DMs, he further engaged with Ammar instead of just letting it go after the game (like we usually do on any game) and he also says he will teach him good manners and some threats. 🤷

[@abcwow2400]

The way Ammar behaves is honestly beyond immature bro acts like a 12 yr old

[@weeman2873]

He is 19, 2 years ago he is still legally a child, sonneiko is 30 years old

[@abcwow2400]

@@weeman2873 sonneiko specified he is a muslim i dont know how things work in ur societies but when a muslim brother approaches another they dont mean any harm and when he tried to better the relations with spoiled brat instead of mending he incited him. sonneiko is a better man than me as i wouldve showed him how to respect.

[@cottonbud1945]

Ammar the keyboard warrior

[@bertgo305]

To be honest Ammar had it coming. stop poking the lion bro if don't want to be pounced.

[@dbzandriod17pro98]

Ammar said it on a game about 3 months ago . Sonieko started violence so thats is not a answer

[@rosemi719]

W sonneiko trashtalk irl 😂

[@OHOHOHCOME]

Best thing to do is to ignore him. Ammar is already suffering from a bad life as evident in his behavior. No need to get pulled into it.

[@anginribut123]

yes there is muted button in dota

[@H4554ni]

2:01 the fun part🤣

[@rosemi719]

Atleast Filipino shop cafe players can back up there trashtalk irl 😂

[@wzy1653]

🔥🔥

[@randhika5636]

stay in school kids

[@Cassey5312]

Team Keyboard Warrior 1. Skiter 2. Quinn 3. ATF 4. 5.

[@azansubhie1826]

every profesionall sport in the world curse each other on the arena. they super competitive and hate to lose. that what game entertaining to watch. in some sport especially esport, the boundy is physical. but in some other the boundry is nothing. esport is the sofest one, but this dude ask for less than a curse 😅

[@krnzzang84]

Ok let’s go boxing tourney

[@Brrrrman666]

puppey said this game is psychological trashtalk is meant to be in this game to break ur mental shit, dota at its finest Trashtalking on the big stages HAHA

[@theemperor6540]

tbh you shouldve talk about act iv more and less about dramas

[@enrievekeenearanas5853]

Putting your arms around someone is assault.

[@nucreb1232]

Sonneiko wouldn't last a day in SEA 😂

[@pizzzz8378]

The one thing sonneiko and ammar is both muslims... It doesnt make sense😂😂😂

[@210psd]

cool 😎

[@JohnWu90863]

NOW I KNOW WHY SONNEIKO IS BRAINDEAD. THAT GUY TOOK SERIOUSLY THE PUBLIC TRASH TALK. THE TRASH TALK ALWAYS HAPPEN IN EVERY COMPETITION & SPORTS. JUST WIN THE MATCH THEN TRASH TALK BACK, NOT USING THREATEN OR PHYSICAL BRAWL TO SILENT THAT TRASH TALKER. THAT IS ALL. THANK YOU.

[@ElSenseii17]

So does that mean that if I beat you, I am entitled to bully and say sht about you? Are you in your right mind?

[@JohnWu90863]

@@ElSenseii17 wat de hell are u talking. Wat beat, wat bully, wat sht. Do u understand English? Let me brief it for u. Trash talker is common, if u can't handle then go working in company. Even working in company also has trash talker. All U have to do just prove that trash talker. NOT USING PHYSICAL OR THREAT THE TRASH TALKER. DO U UNDERSTAND?

[@HatiKeseorangan]

Sunneiko very pro on play victims... 😅 why u touch ppl like that sunneiko after u msg ppl like that, that msg really not friendly and seems seriously treated... this is why ammar not feel to apologise its because he know u come for a rude idiology... 😂 sunneiko oh sunneiko u proved u own self is a wrong and false...

[@turarbekanuarbek]

Rude ideology, kekl Jerk off dude

[@Mayhamsdead]

R.I.P. English.

[@adnauseam4435]

Damn, dude. I needed extra brain to understand you have just said.

[@kudalumping6621]

Ngomong apa sih bang

[@AmyFirstwing]

mending naikin mmr bang

[@gqqq69]

should’ve RKO’ed atf when you got the chance 😂