Reading While Black: A Conversation with Dr. Esau McCaulley

If you heard someone use the word “Black biblical interpretation”, would you have any idea what they meant by it? We didn’t until we had a chat with Esau about it and we soon realized it’s a practice the entire church would greatly benefit from.
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[@wayNAY87]

Topic ideas for future episodes/seasons: 1. Equally yoked/unequally yoked friendships 2. The commodification of pastors (pastors being the “face” of the “brand” for churches, so to speak) 3. Impact of social media on the church 4. Communication in marriage 5. Raising children in a culture that is increasingly hostile to God

[@rhymeaddict]

Witnessing in the Workplace

[@Bvbydollgames]

That last one is really good !

[@DesireeYeboah]

So good!

[@gdnewsgdfashion]

I also think a conversations around new age spirituality and Christianity. Does the Bible affirm or deny new age spiritual practices.

[@abelebenezer5028]

No. 5! 💥

[@theimpossiblethespian6974]

A conversation I was not expecting. But a conversation I needed to hear. As a white Woman, it didn’t click right away, but when you mentioned reading the Bible from a woman’s perspective, The light came on. Cuz it’s amazing looking at the Bible from a woman’s perspective. I’ve also started looking at it from a Jewish standpoint to help me understand scripture better, Even though I’m not Jewish. But if I’m honest, there are a lot more black people surrounding me today than Jews. And I need to read from their perspective too, cuz 1. It’s going to enlighten God even more 2. This is meeting them where we are at and diversity won’t actually happen until we come together and see how God has touched their lives in a way that I will probably never completely understand, but I can see the beauty and rejoice along with them because God is so Good to us ALL!

[@marciaoppong]

I feel similarly, but I’m black lol. Conversation I didn’t know I needed to hear!

[@jld4870]

I am studying Hebrews through Ariel college. I wanted to get a messianic Jewish perspective. I too am a white woman who has no idea what it is like to be discriminated against. Just started listening to this so don’t have input yet on the discussion…but am SO looking forward to it. 👆🏼

[@melissa51828]

Nice

[@whitestone4805]

Scripture is an ancient Near East Hebraic text, it must be understood and interpreted in light of that fact and seen firstly through that lens for a person to even begin to understand the narrative and it’s implications and grasp all the typology and threads correctly. Then the application to particular groups or cultures will stand on a firm foundation. Example: Social Justice movement. If you are a follower of Yeshua then you don’t need an adjective in front of the word justice. You are simply called to be just in all your relationships and dealings. Why? because the chosen people (The Jews) are commanded by God in the Torah to be just and shown how. So forming a new ideology around justice (SJW) is irrelevant and redundant.

[@elizabethbillingsley5534]

I am doing the same thing!

[@siyamazindwandwe7522]

"If you think what is normal is what you do in majority culture & The unity means everyone adjusting to you, then that's not unity it's colonization "💪

[@Lakergyrl73]

When he said that, I had to Selah! 🙇🏾‍♀️

[@kaylabarjon8732]

@@Lakergyrl73 right!

[@awakenedlife777]

THAT part. Epigenetics is a thing. Just as black folks deal with the aftershock of enslavement, white folks deal with the aftershock of enslaving. That shows up in MANY,many different ways including masked colonizing in religious and educational spaces🤷🏾‍♀️

[@leslieanderson4292]

This is the one!

[@meloshotz]

@@awakenedlife777 Yes!

[@daniellestephenson8077]

“We all need each other to discern the mind of Christ.” Whew 😅 I already know I’m gonna be listening to this over and over because this group is great. Thank you so much for this conversation.

[@happynosee]

Wow. As an Asian American constantly trying to relearn and unlearn, I found this video very insightful and informational. Thank you so much for sharing!

[@vantafire]

You are brave. Thank You❤❤❤

[@joabphilosophy2138]

I've never seen Jackie physically express so much interest and enjoyment in what a guest was saying this season as much as she has shown this gentleman. 👏🏾

[@larondaminto2016]

It's hard to push the emotion and tears down. Many of these very topics are the reason I separated from a congregation that I cared deeply about but came in conflict with during the height of 2020's racial conflicts and protests. I've been unable to connect to a church since due to my own personal trauma and trust issues. This podcast was so validating and I'm grateful to the Holy Spirit. My heart is full to know God does care just like I thought He did. Please pray that God will heal my entire family and lead us to a place of worship and community. 🙏🏽

[@Babyshoes777]

Same same

[@nonyabiness]

Trust God, forgive the people

[@PlayChordsToday]

I know what I am going to say is going to be unpopular. I love being black. I have a black wife, with black kids, black parents, a black owned business and so on. But as i mature in my faith, I realized that my faith can't be in my suffering, gender, ethnicity etc... Not that those things are not important to me, but none of those things can save me. The only way for all regardless of color is through Jesus Christ, so ultimately I am going to follow Paul the Apostles lead who also suffered and place my Identity in Christ because that's where my salvation rests now and eternally. The only worry i have with this video is, Christianity or salvation can't be defined or relegated to a small segment of people. Christianity and salvation is for all people. We all fall short, we blacks are sinners too. We kill, we murder, we enslave, we lie, we cheat, we steal, we conquer, we kidnap, we belittle, we destroy, we burn, we mutilate, we have homosexuality, infidelity, all manner of sexual sin, witchcraft, we have suffered, we have caused suffering, we rape, we set ourselves above other people, we exhibit pride, we worship idles, we have fallen short of Gods standard. Just like every other man and woman who ever lived regardless of race or ethnicity with the exception of Jesus christ. We are not special, we can't save ourselves, we can't earn salvation, we deserve hell just like everyone else, we are not better than others, we are not worse than others, for we all fall short. None of us make to heaven expect through Jesus Christ. *Side note, I have been studying history a lot lately, and found that the horrible things that happened to slaves fro Africa in the Americas is not unique. The vikings enslaved and killed murdered other Europeans, the Khans other Chinese, African nations against African nations, there are millions of people who have been kidnapped and are forced to work as sex slaves even today . Millions of Africans have been killed by Africans, Millions of Europeans have been killed by Europeans, same with Chinese, middle Easterners, etcetera... The suffering our ancestors went through was unspeakable but not unique. Some of the Europeans and African countries warring against each other did not even bother to enslave, they just murdered millions of people not on the other side. Ultimately it is not a skin issue it is a sin issue.... hence why I believe each and everyone of us needs Jesus Christ.

[@U_neekliss]

Ditto everything you said. I have been redeeming my education in history as well and what I think is a lot of what they said can be summed up as framing the Bible from a position of trauma/victimization. My gender (woman) is not the same as blackness. Handling finances is not the same as my blackness. God created me as a woman, blackness was created by man and also distinctly in modern America. Also, I reject the idea that I need to see someone that "looks like me" do whatever I aim to pursue. I don't remember that being a major thing in the 90s. I could watch the Cosby's, fresh prince of Bel air, and Clarissa explains it all, Sabrina the teenage witch, etc (pretty sure I'm showing my age) and it wasn't a big deal to me. Back then, we could relate to any of the characters that had similar circumstances as me regardless of their race.

[@jevitadowell403]

THISSSSSSSSSSS THO ! 🙌🏽 They should have had YOU on as the guest because you spitting FACTS ! As a black woman I 100% AGREE! Our race won’t save us & God is NOT a respecter of MAN ! We gotta be very careful within this subject & constantly take heed to our spirit as to not sin against God while simultaneously pointing out the same sins of others.

[@sander.n]

I'm going to say it like this... its fine that's its a sin issue and that we "ALL SIN" and "WE ALL NEED JESUS" but for me (my opinion) it's like you leave compassion out of it and you just reduce it to "we all do it" "We not unique" i'm pretty sure that you won't approach a woman who got rape and say "your situation is not unique other people got rape" I just think that he brings an idea that you can see through scripture thing that can relate to you, you're surroundings or culture that other cannot.... he did say this: "Different cultures bring different insights, as long as we're committed to the authority of scripture we can then judge according to what the text says and see if this insight is actually good or bad" Nothing in the video said that black people are the only one that's going to be save

[@wilishascaife9772]

@@sander.nYeah. I think the point was missed n the comments above. Thanks.

[@billmarshall268]

What she said was good. people out here that push all this propaganda would never Do a public discussion with you.

[@gregbradshaw1622]

When Rev. Dr. McCaulley called out how we American White Christians respect distinct cultural white theologies but not American Black theology I realized I need to start reading more American Black Christian work and listening to more American Black Christian speakers because they have much to teach about the liberation found in Christ. Thank you for this interview!

[@billmarshall268]

Do you realize what he said is extremely ridiculous? You can't lump all of white christians into one group. He doesn't know what they read? He's based in that off of assumption.

[@trayfor]

"Different cultures bring different insights, as long as we're committed to the authority of scripture we can then judge according to what the text says and see if this insight is actually good or bad" - Dr. Esau 💥

[@graesha]

I need to stop watching KZbin so I reduce the number of books I think I should buy 😭, I have his book in my cart. Can’t wait to read it

[@deborahriley7355]

I had been sitting in the pews as a born from above Jewish believer for 20 years. A precious black pastor came into our life, my husband's and mine, and through our friendship, he and his wife contributed so much that only the black culture could. He was elderly when we met him and we had a close connection with him for 20 years. We came to understand and empathize and have compassion for and admiration for what they'd been through because of color. He also helped me to realize that this thing we call Christianity is really Biblical Judaism as opposed to Rabbinical Judaism I identified with this discussion with Dr Esau McCauley because, as a Jew, I'd been led to believe I was now a Gentile and had nothing to contribute. When Brother Ben and sister Sylvia Mitchell came into my life, they honored my identity, as we also did theirs. So if Dr. McCauley speaks again with you, I'd love for him to expound on the contributions he sees that are needful to the body of Messiah from the black culture.

[@VoxQuest]

Dr McCaulley!!! Yes! God made me African on purpose; and my redeemed culture has its incomparable contribution to make to the Body of Christ!!! Preach It!!!

[@rodericklhsheriagh]

Such an important conversation! And such truth. The nations (ethnicities) are represented throughout the Bible. White culture Christians seem to think "all nations" is just a cute phrase in the Bible.

[@sharonmbabazi7481]

Jackie and Perrys facial expressions are Gold.

[@potentialcaroozin2385]

AMEN! Christianity is intersectional, I’m a white hispanic/white passing? And growing up in a church in Coney Island, you could feel Gods love through the sharing of culture, American black people, Puerto Ricans black people, brown skinned Hondurans, white hispanics, etc etc. And it was never because we DIDNT share our cultural differences. Of course, sharing ethnicity helped to relate, but we also shared class, and most importantly, our passion for Christ. I related with a lot on this podcast, it was so easy to empathize, especially after moving from Brooklyn to a rural town in the south of VA. Now I *understand* why I, despite being white passing, felt so alienated from that church. They didn’t *know* any other ethnicities, or cultures, or how to contextualize the Bible, much less in a biblical way. This isn’t a Christian verse, but I’m beginning to understand, “never attribute malice to what could be explained as incompetence.” This podcast is gift from GOD. It is relevant to problems in the church right now, it speaks to many people. It is the crux of what biblical evangelism should be. Thank you, God bless your ministry.

[@ConcreteRose22]

What church? I grew up in Coney Island too. Maybe we crossed paths lol

[@tamaramichelle4326]

The problem with non black Christian’s is that they do not want to admit the black body has been devalued … because we can’t agree on that we can’t move forward with true healing! 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@billmarshall268]

Do you have a bible verse to back that one? It sounds like you have a problem with forgiveness. The only way you could get true healing.Is through the gospel.

[@k08188]

I’m 5 mins in and I already know I gotta watch this twice. This is to good

[@beautifultones7155]

This was so so good! I feel like I need to listen more than once. I got goosebumps 🙌🏾 and wanted to throw my shoe in agreement so many times!

[@Babyshoes777]

Same! I also bought the book, it’s even better than this podcast. Go bless yourself with it if you haven’t already 💕

[@katgunter9119]

​@@Babyshoes777 9🎉

[@lauren4610]

AMEN!!!!! HE WILL WIPE EVEY TEAR AWAY… HE WILL WIPE AWAY.. E V E R Y TEAR. Thank you Father. I can’t wait to see you Jesus.. I’m tired of the hate and the fear , here on earth.

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

Our identity is in Christ alone, not our race, gender or sexuality only Jesus Christ. Galatians 2:20 👑 "I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me."

[@latanyayarbrough5362]

I enjoyed this conversation and will listen to it again! There should be a part 2.

[@andrexmfful]

🔥🔥🔥🔥 so thoughtful and so helpful both for my personal life and for ministry in my specific context! Thank you! 🙏🙏🙏💙

[@awakenedlife777]

My God, I Absolutely ADORED this episode🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 We need to have THESE types of conversations 💪🏾💪🏾

[@poet9981]

Just ordered Reading While Black and Josef Johnson Hair and the Holy Spirit. This interview was dope and I’ll be watching it a second time.

[@tottitaylor4834]

Need a part two pleaseeeeee!!!!!

[@Lakergyrl73]

This conversation is so good! I can listen to y’all talk all day. I bought Esau’s book when it 1st dropped & gifted it to a few of my Black & White Pastor friends. Also, I have Josey Johnson’s Hair & the Holy Spirit. Lent is on its way! 🤗🙌🏾🖤✊🏾

[@elaineyd2133]

This. Was. So. Good!!! “An ecosystem of black writers”👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 Love these each week!!!

[@ifeoluwajezreel]

Thank you for having Dr. Esau McCaulley, this was really insightful.

[@nouhrme7928]

It’s awesome. It’s really just necessary to address anything that could be a stumbling block to a fellow believer’s faith even if it is uncomfortable or you feel like it doesn’t directly concern you.

[@ivycrockron840]

This is a very valuable discussion.

[@CharMeezy21]

Not me yelling, “Take it there, take it there” 🤣👏🏾

[@desireé-s-lucas]

Both Jackie's and Preston's expressions throughout this...😄 but love the book and the conversation

[@pressia07]

I could listen to this another three hours and still want more thank u for this interview!!

[@envisionss]

Wowww!!! All the snaps 🫰🏾 all the claps 👏🏾 This conversation was amazing! Dr. Esau was dropping too many gems, Lord. Ima have to rewatch a few times and pick up those books!!

[@hell2joy517]

Wow... Just wow! Did not see this insightful conversation conversation coming by the title. I know I'm late to the party, but this book is in my shopping cart! I am really taking in love with these Perry People! They don't miss! And I'm pulling up EVERYTHING with Prof. Esau's name on it! AMEN 2X💯💯✝️💯💯

[@babe1love1]

So many GEMS in this conversation. It can be it's own Bible Study!

[@kimberlysnell2822]

"I want my daughter to see people who look like her following Jesus". 😍 These past couple of years i felt led to implement more culture into our library for our family to read. We had books by Ben Carson,on Fredrick Douglas, and Martin Luther King Jr. but i wanted us to expand even more. i've been grateful for biblical teachings of Thabiti Anyabwile and John Onwuchekwa as well as podcast such as this, Let's Talk, and Knowing Faith. Have read both of Jackie's books, gone through Jude (and now the teen study with our daughter) and Dahati Lewis' Among Wolves and Advocate. Jasmine Holmes' book Carved in Ebony for young readers arrived last week and i'm reading it before passing it along = ) It's exciting to hear Preston is working on one as well! Your discussions have been insightful. i hope it encourages you to know there are brothers and sisters in Christ who want to learn from you and see more clearly.

[@noble604]

I’ve just taken it for granted that THE Lord of ALL Justice will right every wrong and WILL handle with righteousness and honor EACH AND EVERY monstrosiy of wickedness “Black” people have had to endure here on earth. Not one “tiny” little misdeed has escaped His eye; not one “small” dishonoring, disparaging word has eluded His ear. He KNOWS what has gone on and it WILL be recompensed. We’re talking about THE Lord of Righteousness. There IS nothing unjust in Him. I know He will DO IT because this is His nature and He cannot be otherwise. Therefore, I don’t get caught up in fleeting conversation about man’s “opinions.” My focus is on THE Faithful One... THE One who will do it. HE WILL.

[@sw9868]

Yesssss and Aaaamen!!!

[@jevitadowell403]

Amen! God is not a respecter of person. There is no “WHITE CHIRCH” there is no “BLACK CHURCH” ……just the body of Christ. God will judge ALL in the end for every deed done in the body, good or bad.

[@DDJones-yi1pm]

I have thoroughly enjoyed this discussion!! Thank you!

[@sweeteverythings]

Wow. Thank you, my consciousness has been raised through this conversation. I’m going to find your books, sir 👏👏👏

[@abelebenezer5028]

Man! This conversation blessed me richly!

[@rhondaclark5391]

I absolutely love this brother and this discussion . I had not heard of this book but I will definitely be purchasing it .

[@autumngatlin]

Allll facts! So happy this was addressed because it’s the most agitating thing about being a black Christian.

[@Lakergyrl73]

I agree 100%!

[@mramirez5239]

I now have a new WTP episode to listen to and a couple new books to buy. Wonderful cast. Thank you

[@jenniolson2207]

Amen! This was so good ! I am blessed and excited to have learned more on this subject. It makes sense that we have different redemptive stories… As the body of Christ we need to see this, black,yellow, white ect….listen to each others stories, read Dr Esau’s book! Thanks for doing this one its super important! I grew up in a multicultural setting I don’t understand where everyone is coming from,but I care! I believe i care about this because God has work for me to do .. to educate myself and others, pray and ask the Holy Spirit to empower me to speak up for all his people. Lets seek knowledge and understanding and have conversations about what we learn saints and Aints! God is good and all the time God is good!😊 For real, Jenni

[@marquittamone]

Excited for the Atlanta show. I’d love to hear “Gold” and “Home”

[@nnennaitanyi8156]

Loving the consistency guys!

[@vo9176]

Mercy - this took me back to my first Black Studies class in college, except with Jesus!!! Love him, will definitely buy all the books . Thank you Perry's. BTW, loving the intro music and the videos 💜💜💜

[@rosejacob2017]

This is such an important topic. So relevant.

[@ayanajones718]

My God!!!!! If I had a handkerchief I would have threw it at my phone in hopes that’d it hit Brotha, Doctor, Reverend, Professor Esau in between the lenses of his spectacles. Lol The wisdom and truth communicated on this episode was 🔥

[@daschuhow]

Me too!!

[@dxgable]

I love this comment lol 😂.

[@PeaceChiillax]

12:30 Yaass a redeem black culture for the purpose of Christ🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@PeaceChiillax]

Can we also say a redeemed African culture for the purpose of Christ? 🙌🏾

[@agirlnamedkeith]

@@PeaceChiillax I think it’s implied. They said that because they can confidently speak from an African American perspective.

[@latanyayarbrough5362]

Thoroughly enjoyed this discussion!

[@elijahperry3454]

I knew I recognized that name. Just graduated from Wheaton so Ive heard of Dr. McCaulley on campus, glad to see him on the show!

[@stassyroze9198]

I appreciate the heck out of this episode. All the subject matter on point 👍🏾

[@allegraacuff9723]

Man when The Perry are looking like Billy Madison in a Kindergarten class, you know the talk is good. Never ever seen both of y’all soooooooooo engaged at the same time. Beautiful… This talk is fire tho!!

[@Jefe2024]

Mind blown. Excellent conversation!

[@stephanieflowers2783]

I purchased the book this weekend and cannot wait to start it!!

[@japeriawilliams4470]

DR. EASU IS INCREDIBLEEEEE

[@swatkasham5509]

This was SO good!!!

[@barbarasmith1110]

Hi I enjoy listening to your channel and podcasts I am 62 yrs old I thank the LORD for you two and your gifts you testimonies etc and the guest This topic is interesting in that blacks and Christianity is being discussed I view my self as a Christian who is black my culture and traditions are not null and void because I Identify as a Christian first this notion is part of my liberty and freedom while in the earth it helps me to move fwd in life I believe our character and imitating Christ is what gives many from all walks of life unity without losing heritage I think God tells us to lay down traditions and keep his commands and imitate Christ That’s our new Identity Instead people will say you’re different or you must be a believer instead of your black Any way keep writing keep speaking keep sharing b/c God created you and he’s glorified in your gifts and he’s using the info to illuminate who he is and what he says a believer is since he created all nations

[@calvinberry01]

11:33 is a powerful statement Dr. Esau just made. He just answered my question in my head…. Got it…….

[@TheKurtLyon]

This is a fantastic conversation. Thank you for sharing this.

[@asf12.30]

A redeemed black culture is a gift to the body of Christ ❤ we need each other. Love this!

[@Deshon_Holmes]

I wish this conversation was longer

[@iSpeakFaith]

Straight FIRE 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥!!! THANK YOU, Perry's for doing this interview. How enlightening and liberating this has been for me. Glory to God!!! 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@beEmboldened-y9j]

Thank you for defining terms for me ("securing the bag") 😂. Great episode! ❤

[@AnimalLover2400]

Well "black" culture is not the same everywhere, the cultural "norms" are not the same, which is why a lot of Caribbean people, Afro-Latinos and African immigrants oftentimes aren't accepted into the African-American community.

[@Babyshoes777]

All of us are apart of chattel slavery, many of us have similar histories, it just depended on where the boats dropped you off. The only divisions are by the uneducated. Read his book, it’s healing.

[@AnimalLover2400]

@@Babyshoes777 I believe our unique cultures should be recognized and celebrated, and not lumped together into one. Each group in the diaspora has their own beatifully unique culture. It is white Americans who have tried to erase that and forced people of color into one group/category as a monolith. We need to embrace the fact that each group in the diaspora has their own culture, as God intended.

[@HeyJoEllen]

Yes, as a Black American, I believe every culture within the black diaspora should be recognized for its differences and not be lumped together.

[@k.h.a.l.i.l.]

speaking as a latino, a lot of latinos just starting embracing their blkness like last week. it isn't just that we weren't/ aren't accepted into african american communities, it's also that many for decades have rejected their blackness. im glad to see things changing though.

[@AnimalLover2400]

@@k.h.a.l.i.l. I am talking mainly about latinos like amara la negra who visibly look majority african, and could easily be "mistaken" for african-american before opening their mouth, although yes I do understand that even then, many afro-latinos still reject their african heritage.

[@WhenGraceCalled]

Come on colonization. “I’m black on purpose.” Whew! 🙌🏽

[@yomingeleza3297]

This was so good.

[@cecilydavis9562]

I’m running around my house!!!! GLORY!!!! 🙌🏾🙌🏾💕🙌🏾🙌🏾💪🏾🤎

[@lisasweeney6509]

Thank you, sir! You are 100 % CORRECT!

[@sentym5758]

He speaks so fast 😅😅, grateful for this content ❤❤.

[@2012praise]

PERRYS PLEASE COME START A CHURCH IN COLORADO SPRINGS. As a biracial woman I greatly appreciate the insight in this video that we need each other and that everyone notices different important things in scripture. Thank you for faithfully considering scripture and bringing it to us!!!!

[@mandyy5647]

This was too good! Y’all def have to bring him back

[@phyllisbelieves8148]

This is good dialogue!

[@stassyroze9198]

I am so blessed and convicted by this segment 🧐

[@Dawn-xf6bh]

Excellent conversation! As an African-American doctoral candidate wresting with the same issues of being used of God to create Holy space where our human and Spiritual culture perfectly coexist, I am grateful for this work and your support of it. Keep serving, Jackie and Preston, as Our Mighty Lord leads. Thank you ;-)

[@veronaaustin6974]

Love this conversation

[@lisataylor3544]

Really good interview!!!

[@allaboutthewilliams]

Maaaaan this was soooo ON POINT! I really hope I can comment this… My husband wrote “ONE is NOT One” -Reconciled and Racist-- Talking about this very thing! Let’s talk about this y’all!!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@chronicledaily9440]

Excellent podcast ❤

[@maryprice8458]

Loved what you said Esau about Christ's rejection of the evil done to black people by resurrecting them! God's response to Cain murdering his brother was Genesis 4:10 "And He said, “What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood cries out to Me from the ground." Even in death the Lord hears the cries of the oppressed and violated! Justice will be served praise God!! As an incredibly scared little white girl I was lovingly taken in by my neighbors who were of mixed race. I was so incredibly blessed by their family and culture and finally felt a freedom from my social anxiety that was crippling at the time. I felt sort of rescued by the black culture in many ways so this video just warms my heart!

[@daschuhow]

So precious, you received a God given gift.

[@maryprice8458]

@@daschuhow Absolutely! I can't thank God enough for how he used His church to minister and protect me!

[@authoranitadavis1205]

This was such a great convo and made me buy Esau's book.

[@elizabethbillingsley5534]

Loving this! We have to talk about the hurt before we heal. Alot of people don't want to do this b/c they are afraid. We have to put off fear in this nation so we can deal the hurt of racism so we can heal. No repentence, no justice, no peace, no healing. This is where we are. I hope we will choose repentence so we can heal.

[@ezek7]

I learned so much from all three of them, Prof Esau is really deeps & intelligent. Love the chemistry in the Perry's, Preston seem so pleasant, he was not talking loudly:)

[@patriciaharris6422]

This was SO necessary. periodT

[@battleready5890]

I will also say that black people have definitely contributed to the toxicity of this necessary conversation. That was addressed during this episode. All peoples nations and tongues should embrace that the Bible consisted of ALL peoples nations and tongues and take responsibility for how WE have corrupted the beauty of that. I have a very light completion and I am a “black” woman. Many friends have called me the white girl for years and I’ve also been called racially ambiguous. How can you be racially ambiguous when there is only one race? Our language matters. There is a tremendous amount of ignorance across the spectrum.

[@joabphilosophy2138]

3:17-7:04 the man could have started passing a collection plate right here! The truth!

[@Peace_2Yah]

This was so good man

[@NorthPhilly-zr7xc]

Facts good brother from christ I need to get his book

[@LauryneAmanda]

This was so encouraging for me

[@laseximexi]

17:52 Jackie’s smile. Also Dr. Esaú: how nearly are your listers Me: 🤓 yes I replayed this section! Come on!!!👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@marygaither7916]

You can tell he a professor he can talk and talk 😂 imma have to watch this about 5 times over and over

[@Msbmaxey8]

I was actually thinking about this the other day. What do I want to look like in eternity? I know I will be black, but will I still be looking like my overweight self, do I need to lose weight now so I will look better in eternity? Yes, I know I will be totally healthy. Then I say to myself, who cares??? You will be with God. 😄😄😄

[@saraharmstrong8742]

As an aged woman Viewing this even a year later is an eye opener got to view again never really considered.

[@shinelightministries1719]

Too good!! Thanks family

[@yayitscourtneyy]

I’m just going to sit here and cry for a few moments.

[@Babyshoes777]

I did too.

[@malambongwenya9617]

My facial expressions were similar to Jackie's cause the truth shared here

[@rebeccahayhurst442]

As a white sister, this conversation was very helpful to me in how Esau explained how important it is for a persons culture and race to be represented in theology. Sadly, there is so much talk about not being woke within the conservative christian white community that shuts down thoughtful and biblical conversations like this. Unfortunately talking about race or gender, is viewed suspiciously by a certain parts of the body of Christ. Its associated with liberal politics and a lot of the body of Christ has become politicized. Esau really did touch on an important point about the color blind idea, which I remember was really popular growing up in the 80s. On the surface it seems like it solves the problem or divides with race, but I thought Esau explained it so well that the idea of being color blind ignores the reality of race and culture that forms all of us and is a part of who we are. It was really insightful the cultural nuances that a while person would not think about and how as a body of Christ, the diversity in how God made us and our experiences should be thought of as a strength and not something that is bad. It honestly breaks my heart the lack of love or humility, with negative racial views, that is still shown to African Americans and my brothers and sisters. Conversations like this are so helpful and the whole church needs to watch it. Jackie and Perry’s daughters noticing that this Bible had an illustration of what her hair looked like , was really touching.

[@AshleyMechell]

Just ordered his book!!!!