Independent Baptist vs Southern Baptist Convention

The SBC and Independent Baptists have some differences - and this video attempts to explain them.

[@davidmoncibaiz7070]

As an Independent Baptist for many years and fairly familiar with the SBC, this video is right on the mark. I enjoy how the information is given without malice just laying out facts. Wonderfully done.

[@steveAllen0112]

I was raised IFB. Can confirm.

[@TheUSCommentator]

Feet Feet de la ty

[@ivanlee1087]

How do you think this guy knows so much about the cults parading as Christians? He even knows about real Christians. I think he is a front for some group.

[@lindajohnson4204]

@@ivanlee1087 He is IFB, but he has studied the other groups to understand them. Perhaps IFB's tendency to separate makes it susceptible to an attitude which he thought was unfair, and he thought finding out more information was in the interest of truth. I think he tries to be impartial to present the positions fairly, but his own beliefs are with the IFBs.

[@punishedgoy9131]

Come home to Rome brother

[@rchungus8502]

I'm got Baptist this year and my church is an Independent Baptist Church. I never felt more at home reading the word of GOD and hearing sermons that have changed my life and convicted me in ways that i cannot explain. I feel exited for the first time in my life wanting to share the Gosgel everyone. Great video!

[@__-tn6hw]

@MK Together# Wine is a subcategory of grape-juice lol

[@petermermilliod1545]

Saying wine is a sub category of grape juice is like saying houses are a subcategory of building materials

[@__-tn6hw]

@@petermermilliod1545 "Saying wine is a sub category of grape juice is like saying houses are a subcategory of building materials" Nah, more accurately (to make it congruent with my analogy) houses are a sub-category of buildings, not building materials. What makes these things sub-categories of the other is the distinction in form; Grape juice when fermented becomes wine, buildings when built for a family to live in are houses. I could also say your average pickles are a sub-category of a cucumber, and pencils are a sub-category of writing utensils.

[@petermermilliod1545]

What i was getting at is categories are more complex than their components. Wine is more complicated than grape juice (it consists of more parts and requires more time and effort), houses are more complicated than their components. I was trying to get at the idea that sub-catagory probably is the correct relationship between wine and grape juice.

[@__-tn6hw]

@@petermermilliod1545 "What i was getting at is categories are more complex than their components. Wine is more complicated than grape juice (it consists of more parts and requires more time and effort), houses are more complicated than their components." Sure, that "more complicated"-ness is what I would argue is what makes something a sub-category of something else. For example, I might have a shape, but what kind of shape? There are different shapes that have different forms of "more complicated"-ness based from the founding concept. A house is a specific type of building, not a specific set of building materials. "I was trying to get at the idea that sub-catagory probably is the correct relationship between wine and grape juice." Alright

[@IAmChadBroseph]

The video everyone was waiting for.

[@lannyfaulkner6697]

This is an excellent and accurate summary of our differences. I was in IFB Churches and Schools for about six years and have now been in SBC Churches and ministry for thirty-eight years. Having worked among both groups, I deeply appreciate your accurate and very helpful comments.

[@xxMegabeast35xx]

This is very accurate, I grew up in Independent Baptist Churches and Christian Schools and can say this is very accurate. I am thankful for my firm grounding in God's Word. I have since realized that much of the dogmatism is very harmful to the body of Christ as a whole. I still share many of the criticisms of the SBC, specifically the fear of liberalization and staunch opposition to Calvinism, but as I have grown older, I have come to understand you do not need to separate from everyone who dots their 'i's and crosses their 't's slightly differently than you. I grew up in more mild Independent Baptist Church's and love many of the wonderful people I know there, but I have heard of some pastor (never the pastors of the churches I attended) telling members out right that if you go to a Southern Baptist Church, do not even try to get them to send you a letter because they will not send a letter to a SBC church. So sad... I think we all could use a good dose of humility to say, "You know what, I am wrong sometimes, but have good intentions, other people probably are too."

[@ivanlee1087]

Are you a mason?

[@clarkjbunch]

I see a lot of independent Baptists saying this description is right on the money. I grew up in independent Baptist churches but have been SBC for the past 20 years - pastoring an SBC church for the past 7. The information in this video is clear, concise, informative and spot on. I could not have said it better myself. It may have been wordier, but not better.

[@Eccadairius]

Thanks for your video. I am going back to my Independent Baptist Church next week.

[@therealgingerbeardman]

Life-long independent Baptist, and I approve your message! If we (Independent Baptists) had a slogan it’d be “Leave us alone, we’re singing hymns, reading the Bible, and going home!”

[@philipnankabao9290]

More like we go for concert. pay. then go home..lol

[@therealgingerbeardman]

@@philipnankabao9290 we don’t have concerts or pass the plate.

[@mizzwright3976]

@@therealgingerbeardman Are you saying your church doesn’t take up tithes?

[@robertcallahan7153]

You forgot the semi-regular potlucks and covered dishes.

[@thewatcher4552]

With clean shaven, kjv bibles, with women wearing no pants

[@shshapiro7232]

We’ll done! I love the unbiased way in which you present these positions and, from my years of experience and study, I also find your detailed synopses to be very accurate. Please keep up the good work. BTW , I am an independent Baptist.

[@swaneeboyjr.9421]

You really are great!!!! I have learn so much from your videos. What I love about your presentations is that they are totally unbiased. They are not given in a way to make one group look bad and another group great. Thank you very much!

[@scygnius]

I hope you give yourself credit for the high-quality content you create. Whether speaking of Baptist church bodies, Anglicans in Catholicism, or Jehovah’s Witnesses vs. Christians, you do your homework well and lay out the information clearly and objectively. Thanks for all the knowledge you’ve disseminated to folk like me.

[@Mumsy_Soap]

New subscriber here. Wow you go over a lot of material. Thank you for the research and videos. Much appreciated. Praying for you.

[@heatherleee4jesus]

I love these videos. So well done and helpful. Thank you!

[@gracemember101]

Usually someone zeros in on a particular distinction and uses it to create a division that shouldn't exist. The two main essentials that exist are that Jesus is the Son of God and that He gave His life to make the only way possible to be reconciled to God. We are part of one body. Alas, you are spot on the ways we differ from each other.

[@frederickshedd655]

As member of a small IFB church I will say no we don’t believe in the universal church, however we do believe people in other churches and denominations may be a Christian depending on if they believe the gospel as taught in 1 Corinthians 15: 1-4. We are not super strict in church attire, but do insist on modesty and reverence to God. Our church has multiple races and ethnicities and we welcome anyone to come. The joke is as long as you can listen to the sermon you can stay. Problem is people don’t like it when the sermon pricks their heart; but that is exactly what the sermon is meant to do. I love listening to Ready to Harvest and all the efforts he puts into his research.

[@jackuber7358]

The duplicity of the SBC is demonstrated most eloquently with the "non-leadership" leadership assertion that the SBC is "not" hierarchical while the "cooperative program" clearly demonstrates to the contrary. And, where vast amounts of money coalesce so too does corruption, and this has been clearly demonstrated during the 2021 SBC convention. Maranatha!

[@ivanlee1087]

The southern Baptist are not Baptist.

[@sird2333]

@@ivanlee1087 Who is, then?

[@deespence8629]

Very accurate video! I am a southern Baptist and agree with what is presented in this video!❤️🙏✝️

[@loydjenkins2241]

I was in different IFB churches for about 25 years. Then a Missionary Baptist, associated with the Southern Baptist. You have captured the characteristics very well. And not in an emotional manner. Good job.

[@chuckoaks6756]

I have been a member of 2 independent fundamental baptist churches and can say that this is for the most part spot on. We can range from pastors having complete and total authority to voting congregations. Since vivid we have seen our church gain a multitude of visitors. Mainly because we still had services while others were shut down by the denomination. I guess that makes us independent fundimental stubborn Baptists.

[@chuckoaks6756]

* covid.

[@tomflinn9815]

Very informative breakdown of the differences. I grew up in a Southern Baptist Church.

[@WarmPotato]

Another fantastic video!!! My father was southern baptist!

[@trevorbarylske2204]

As a lifelong Southern Baptist, I can testify that this was highly accurate. Great work brother.

[@mychaelgriffin]

I grew up holiness movement and missionary Baptist church. The independent fundamental Baptist churches and missionary Baptist Churches believe that once saved always saved and and free will Baptist believe you can lose your salvation

[@Tallinguy]

He did a very good job at explaining the differences between the two. As a SBC Church member, He gave a good description as a to the SBC polity.

[@matiastolmo8936]

Thanks for the video that is what I was looking for

[@shamrock1961]

You've explained fully why I am no longer a Baptist. Excellent job on being fair and informative about this topic.

[@andrewnicholas9079]

What did you become

[@Perryshotter]

And why is that? There’s differences among all other denominations? So what difference does it make?

[@Austin8thGenTexan]

It's very interesting that lately many Southern Baptist churches in Texas have dropped the word "Baptist" from their formal names - in both urban and rural areas. 🤔

[@dear_totheheart]

Its bizarre but such a reality, good of you to notice...most seem to be becoming non-denomination or at least vague, you'd never know if they were even Baptist or not anymore. I wonder why - unless they are trying to distance themselves specifically from being Baptist or associated with it? Seems to be the case For me, I've become very disillusioned and frustrated with how vague and watered down the SBC and similar denominations are and in how they are teaching and approaching Scripture so I am looking for a more liturgical and traditional expression yet I still dearly hope the best for the SBC

[@ivanlee1087]

They should have never used them in the first place.

[@andrewpearson1903]

They're doing what Baptists do best, which is diffusing their worldview. Ask your evangelical and nondenom friends what they believe about a specific point of doctrine, and you'll get ten different answers; but talk for long enough to a sufficient number and you'll perceive that, almost to a man, they have the same preferences, attachments, scruples, expectations, assumptions -- all inherited (and diluted along the way) from Baptist-ism. Only us Catholics are better at forming our laypeople's religious instincts and worldview, and at creating the wider culture's understanding of what "real Christianity" is, than Baptists are.

[@moose2021]

Excellent video. Not being either an Independent Baptist or a Southern Baptist, I listened to (roughly) the first half of the video and wondered why they don't just combine, due to often having very similar practices and beliefs. The second half of the video highlighted the differences more, though, and some of them are pretty big. I now understand why they haven't combined and why they're not the same.

[@johnsyler8580]

There are some deep divisions between SBC and independent Baptist churches not addressed here. I have belonged to both.

[@johnsyler8580]

I might add that some independent Baptist churches border on being a cult. Look up domestic and sexual abuse connected with IBC congregations and pastors. This authoritarian attitude and rigid conformity is dangerous.

[@wtk6069]

It really comes down to the independent churches being mostly of Scots-Irish descent, who are culturally very suspicious of bureaucracy, while the SBC, at least historically, was mostly of English descent and more culturally agreeable to bureaucracy.

[@calebfielding6352]

Independent baptist church came out of the SBC. I know several men who have pastored both IFB and SBC churches.

[@jasonmillwood2893]

Makes me thankful to be IFB even more! 🙏🏼

[@bobbytutton3270]

Jason - I am an independent Fundamental Southern Baptist!

[@johncantrell9993]

I think the summary statement that "Most Southern Baptists agree with Independent Baptists but the Independent Baptists view fellowship with them as a form of compromise." Is absolutely accurate. I live in the Rural South and there are plenty of SBC Churches that agree doctrinally with my IFB Church but we don't fellowship with them because we are very much separatist by nature.

[@roberteaston6413]

I live in Canada. There is a perception in Canada that Independent Baptists in the USA are so fiercely nationalistic that they have a romanticized uncritical view of American history. It is one thing for Americans to believe that the USA is the greatest country in the world but certainly men such as Thomas Paine, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson were not godly men.

[@johncantrell9993]

@@roberteaston6413 not sure how what you said relates to my comment.

[@roberteaston6413]

@@johncantrell9993 Independent fundamentalist Baptists believe in separation. They do not fellowship with liberals and unsaved people in liberal churches. Yet they praise men such as George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Paine. I have even read some fundamentalist Baptists praise Washington as a great Christian man when he was probably a deist.

[@reedermh]

The agreement is generally on main points of doctrine (Biblical authority, the Trinity, the Person of Jesus). The differing is on cooperation with other churches via denominational structures.

[@ivanlee1087]

@@roberteaston6413 No they don't. Sbc does.

[@frankmckinley1254]

Have not seen anyone do a break down on these two types of Baptist. Thanks.

[@frankmckinley1254]

You do a pretty good break down on the issues.

[@GermanShepherd1983]

As someone who has faithfully attended a Baptist Church and has joined can honestly say that having the church being autonomous is the best thing. We can concentrate on hearing and preaching God's word and loving Jesus. No governmental body above us.

[@Hillbillygreasemonkey]

Grew up SBC. My dad took his church out of the convention. I went to an SBC seminary and have stayed in the convention over 20 years now. Your material is wonderfully researched, and informative. Well done, sir

[@garybryson1900]

I attend an Independent Baptist Church. The pastor is anti-Calvinist and I assume most of the congregation is. I am a Calvinist, but I don't discuss it with the pastor and I don't want to get into any arguments with fellow church-goers over it, so I keep quiet about my beliefs on that.

[@SethBass83]

Does it affect your worship? I left an IFB because I went kind of “cage-stage”, but looking back I wonder if I made the right decision. We were close with the people there.

[@godwingodgift1638]

Me too

[@zadokmotorfreight2423]

Great job on this!

[@barrett5540]

Excellent. Thank You.

[@michiganabigail]

Thank you for explaining these differences so well! I’m not a Baptist, but I so appreciate your unbiased descriptions of these churches!

[@ReadyToHarvest]

Glad you like the videos, Thanks for watching!

[@farashahanem]

Can you please do a video on the differences between Independent Baptist churches and Landmark Missionary Baptist churches (American Baptist Association)?

[@kianafarr6602]

Spent 18 years/ grew up in an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church - KJV only, women only wore dresses or skirts, no contemporary Christian music, men in charge of everything in the church (men’s only church meetings), etc …. I think you summarized this nicely.

[@danjackson1802]

The way it was meant to be. hail the patriarchy baby.

[@jhancock1575]

Well done presentation. In the area I live, IFB churches tend to adhere to a more strict dress code and hair code for men and women. ie, very short hair for men, long hair for women, dresses only for women (no pants). The SBC teaches clothing modesty but leaves more wiggle room - there are no hard rules on what exactly one should wear or the length of hair. Of course, your experience may vary depending on where you live or the church you attend.

[@almostlivechannelkjlw-42pr4]

You do a good job in your research sir thank you.

[@jed-henrywitkowski6470]

My late grandfather was a Doctor of Theology, whose initial higher education was at one of the oldest colleges West of Mississippi and an ordained Methodist Minister. He found favor with the Lord as well as the United Methodist Church. He was allowed to be a Minister at an upscale church in California, however, he declined and chose to be a Minster at a poor church.

[@Adnilas]

This is exactly the video I wanted and I didn’t even know it yet. Thanks Ready To Harvest (:

[@flarefoxgaming5767]

Excellent!

[@deion312]

Loving these videos.

[@aliceharper707]

I was raised in the southern Baptist Church. I went to college for a music degree hoping that I would be able to be a minister of music. I don't know what I was thinking. Once I did graduate with my music degree, I was told that, as a woman, I could not be a minister of music, but it would be okay if I led the children's choir. That did not go over well with me and I subsequently eventually went back to school to be a doctor and that's what I'm doing now. 14:12

[@NoahBuie]

great video!

[@borisvandruff7532]

This video speaks to a problem with polity in some Southern Baptist churches. A pastor friend of mine was ousted yesterday in a very close vote (a margin of less than five people). He claimed that there were many people voting who did not attend regularly or give, and it would have been enough to sway the vote. Do independent Baptist churches allow this?

[@bobbytutton3270]

YES! Part of the problem is that churches (both SBC and IFB) do not purge their membership roles.

[@__-tn6hw]

Some do, some don't. The church I am apart of right now most likely would not allow that.

[@news_internationale2035]

Could you cover what the Liberty Church Network is if you haven't already?

[@jeffreygerfen2784]

I go to an Independent Free Baptist Church. our Pastor uses the NKJV and is not opposed to the congregation using what ever version they are comfortable with. My wife and I came from the Calvary Chapel as did others I came to know in our Church. They are very welcoming to any and all and very family and children oriented.

[@duranbailiff5337]

I was raised in the SBC in the South when it was much more down to earth and biblical in theology. In the early 80's I moved over to the KJVO IFB camp. Having worshipped on both sides, I can see error and truth across the board concerning the spectrum of the Baptist faith. Fundamentalism started out right on target (1920's), but slowly drifted into (sometimes) extreme and often radical ideology. The rank and file IFB congregants are decent and reasonable/tolerant people, but the spread between the open-minded and the Steven Anderson cultists is vast. I have known several KJV Onlyists that were incredibly hateful and domineering, who prefer to see everyone else as hopelessly lost. It would be nice to find something in the middle of the Baptist range and that is accepting of the Reformed believers (like myself). The universal church is broad, and you don't have to be just like me to be a child of God.

[@klintonricherson2596]

Pretty accurate. Just have started watching you so do not know if you have a video on it or not. This video came from the view point of IFB churches who left the SBC. Because you were comparing IFB and SBC this was appropriate. I would like to know your understanding of the group of the IFB who never came out of the SBC. I would also be interesting how you would label those in some of the larger fellowships such as GARBC and BBM and others.

[@nicholasholiday941]

SBC: Hierarchy is hierarchy by any name. Call it what you want, but if a large body is defining what it is orthodox they are going beyond congregational agreement on doctrine regardless of the degree to which they do it. It may not be an episcopal structure but it certainly has those overtones. I don't think it is entirely a bad thing; it limits the degree to which an individual pastor can go awry even if it lacks the technical authority to censure or remove him. SBC has powerful influence over its members.

[@discipletravis814]

Excited to see some of your research on Seventh day adventists in the near future! I have a friend whom is a part of that movement, I am in disagreement with that movement myself.

[@Brucev7]

There are Doctrinal issues with the SDA

[@discipletravis814]

@@Brucev7 Absolutely.

[@ericespinoza373]

@@Brucev7 any that you can mention?

[@Brucev7]

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[@Brucev7]

@@ericespinoza373 *Truth About Seventh-Day Adventist "Truth?": A False Gospel of Imperfect Law Keeping to Earn Heaven* CAnswersTV kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXbWimSpp62MgMU

[@catinaclaytor3245]

Would love a video about the non-denominational Church's

[@Kyle-vb3fz]

I just graduated from an IFB Bible college, and I volunteer leading in music ministry in an SBC church. We are shockingly similar in doctrine to IFB churches in doctrine. My church, however isn’t KJV only like the college/seminary is.

[@craignobles8285]

Is there a video on missionary baptists or free will baptists?

[@Mission-bw5np]

Great overview.

[@ersinc9080]

Well done young man

[@daveking3054]

There are many variations of Independent Baptists, would I be correct in assuming that you were describing Independent Fundamental Baptists?

[@ReadyToHarvest]

The description would include those that call themselves Independent Fundamental Baptist, Unaffiliated Baptist, and those who are Independent Baptist and reject the Fundamentalist 'movement'. There are very few Independent Baptists in the USA that would not fall into one of those categories.

[@derektan2971]

What's about Conservative Baptist (CBAmerica) ?

[@justinfiorenzio7112]

Saddleback Church here in Orange county CALIFORNIA, has S. Baptist background

[@fingerzfrienemy2226]

this i been prayn bout; yet, what if they pledge the flag in the sanctuary? this was sbc... (i would love your God given wisdom. i still need a house of God to worship publicly.) thank you. ps: thank y'all for your publication...

[@Alexandr_Kamardin]

Can you include subtitles in Russian for the video?

[@justinfiorenzio7112]

The Crosspointe of Anaheim, in Orange county CALIFORNIA, also has S.B.C roors

[@bobbytutton3270]

Our Director of Missions has said that often Southern Baptists are more independent than IFB!-- Joshua did mention that SBC does believe in the local church atutomony, however, local associations, as well as a State Convention can remove a local church from fellowship if the the local or State believes that the local church has went "too far out of bounds" Not saying it happens often, but it can.

[@derektan2971]

What's about Sovereign Grace Landmark Independent Baptist ?

[@PreacherJimC]

Great explanation, I am an SBC Pastor. I am a reformed, cessationist, Pretrib. Dr. Molher and I agree on most theological interpretations. I also have concerns with some of the things I hear coming out of the convention. There has been talking of Dr. Molher becoming the next President of the SBC.

[@johndunn678]

The vote on CRT at the 2019 convention (resolution 9) was the final straw for me. The independent sounds closer to where I am, except the KJ only part.

[@gregb6469]

@@johndunn678 -- There is a serious effort being made in the SBC to repeal Resolution 9 at the next Convention.

[@Brucev7]

@@chriscravens8318 Bad

[@Brucev7]

@@gregb6469 They just met in Nashville. There are problems. Wokeness.

[@gregb6469]

@@Brucev7 -- The serious attempt was made, but the SBC Deep State blew it off and elected a borderline apostate as president.

[@hbrws813]

Well done.

[@Hegstuffing]

Is the Independent Baptist Church & Independent Fundamental Baptist Church one and the same?

[@truthisbeautiful7492]

What difference is there between a fellowship group or a convention?

[@jrpeet]

Helpful

[@mychaelgriffin]

I grew up in both COGIC and missionary Baptist church but I hold more too independent Pentecostal Holiness trinitarian church

[@Dani-dg4ut]

I’m sure the membership in the SBC has diminished greatly since their recent conventions and exposed their ‘wokeness’.

[@yana1955]

What about Primitive Baptists and Freewill Baptists?

[@adrianjackson1586]

I want to watch this video but for some reason you’ve disabled closed captions in English.

[@robertreaves3182]

I am a Southern Baptist. Each church is autonomous, but to increase effectiveness to spread the Gospel we cooperate with other churches. We meet together one time a year. And we have local associations. Our focus is Jesus. I find independent Baptists to be rigid and do not believe anyone else is saved.

[@waitstill7091]

In Acts 15:21, James instructed the early followers of Jesus to listen to the laws of Moses be taught in the Synagogues. When have you ever heard of a Baptist church meeting together to learn the Torah from an orthodox Rabbis?

[@wrightdjohn]

Just a quick comment. In some parts of the country, the SBC is very much Landmarkist in their views. Kentucky, Tennesee, and Arkansas being states where it is still a fairly strong force.

[@georgefredericks2699]

One correction: Some churches signed agreements with various state Baptist associations under the SBC that if the church would disband or change denomination then the property would go into the hands of the SBC. This is not mandatory. I do not know how many churches in the SBC agreed to this . The only reason I know this is because a church in my local association went through this. My church does not have this clause in its governing papers. One other thing, Landmark Baptist a strong on local church only and closed communion.

[@reedermh]

This was common during the 1970's when charismatic groups were infiltrating and taking over SBC churches (such as Shady Grove Baptist in Grand Prairie TX, which became charismatic and is now part of Gateway Church).

[@noelhausler2911]

So the SB have gone from 16 million to 14 million and only part of those attend.

[@CommonSense858]

Well Done

[@briannemorse2464]

Missionary Baptist consider themselves to be independent also but we do have associations if other like minded churches.

[@DavidOatney]

Since Joshua teaches at an independent Baptist institution, I am curious how many of his students are being newly exposed to differences between independent Baptists and other Baptists, between independent Baptists themselves (I live in a small Southern town with multiple independent Baptist churches, so I know there can be differences from congregation to congregation, and very often are), and between independent Baptist churches and other Christian denominations, creeds, groupings, or ecclesial communities?

[@ReadyToHarvest]

I originally made this series of Independent Baptist vs. Series to use in the Christian Denominations class. Actually, if I wouldn't have taught that class then this channel probably would not exist! Students come from around the US with a somewhat diverse experience in Baptist churches too. Classes on Baptist distictives clarify even more the spectrum of beliefs.

[@DavidOatney]

@@ReadyToHarvest the Lord works in mysterious ways his wonders to perform... What has been the student reaction to these videos?

[@ReadyToHarvest]

Well, it's a class. Some students are very interested to learn something new, and others just want to get through it. On the whole, everyone learns a lot of new stuff. Most students are already familiar with key points of Catholicism, generic Evangelicalism, and Baptist theology, and those who have backgrounds in other areas of course know that too. Most know very little about Eastern Orthodox other than what they learned in High School religion class, probably haven't even heard of Oriental Orthodox, and some students come in unable to identify any core beliefs of various major Protestant groups. It all varies based on the background. We've had students that grew up in many denominations.

[@DavidOatney]

@@ReadyToHarvest I'd love to be a fly on the wall in your class!

[@steveAllen0112]

@@ReadyToHarvest Curious which college you teach at? I graduated GSBC '06. Funny you should mention Eastern Orthodox: I had never heard of it, either, and at that time GSBC didn't have a course that went in depth on the differences between denominations. We did have a "World Religions" class (or something like that), which used "Kingdom of the Cults" as its textbook. But I don't recall Orthodoxy having come up at all. (Spoiler: I've been Orthodox for 11 years now. :) ) Not to pump up your ego too much, but these videos are most excellent, and I think your students are/will be well served by them. Straightforward and balanced, best I can tell. Good job!

[@michaelshannon6558]

The individual church autonomy in the SBC ended last year when the convention expelled Saddleback Church from the convention due to them ordaining females into the ministry.

[@ReadyToHarvest]

I wouldn't say that, the SBC has expelled churches for years and years. Churches are still autonomous. They can do whatever they like - even ordain women - but the SBC can also expel the congregations. In other denominations where congregations are not autonomous, the denomination can defrock the pastor and take the property if the church does not comply, but in the SBC, they can't do that.

[@majafleur9646]

I spent $59,000 at a SBC seminary to gaun a graduate degree but as a female, cannot be hired for anything but a children's ministry position. I'm now reinvesting in an M. Div with another denomination to pursue that call.

[@mugglescakesniffer3943]

What is the difference? Their recipes for fried chicken?

[@robertkinslow8953]

Is there a difference in belief between Baptist and Southern Baptist?

[@ReadyToHarvest]

Hello Robert. Every Baptist is of some type or another. So there's independent Baptists, Southern Baptists, Free Will Baptists, General Baptists, Reformed Baptists, etc. So when you refer to this 'generic' Baptist with no modifier, they don't really exist. Churches often have just the word "Baptist" in their name, but they actually fit into one of these categories.

[@Veretax]

I would argue that while there may be local church polity in the SBC, hiring decisions may run through the staff (pastors), with little real input from the lay people.

[@Yallquietendown]

Primitive Baptist also do closed communion and rebaptize

[@helpslipfrank50]

If we only have fellowship with those with whom we completely theologically agree, we will soon find ourselves sitting in a room all alone.

[@waitstill7091]

In Acts 15:21, we learn the early followers of Jesus were instructed to listen to the laws of Moses be taught in the Synagogues.

[@nickwilliams737]

My grandfather was a former sbc pastor when he was they held closed communion and the sbc ownd the church so when the church and he left the sbc said they owned the church and the had to leave

[@reedermh]

There may have been a deed restriction added to the property along the way. During the 1970's charismatic groups were taking over SBC churches; in response SBC churches added deed restrictions stating that if the congregation ceased being SBC then the local SBC association (or sometimes a state convention) would get the property. Also if they borrowed money from an SBC entity, that was often part of the mortgage (only when the mortgage was paid off would the restriction be removed).

[@nickwilliams737]

@@reedermh possibility but then again that was back in the mid to early 60's when all this happened to him so eh he hold so grudges. So what is is

[@bkskaksngaggasksksksksi3387]

Ready To Harvest do you know what kind of church win worleys was?

[@ReadyToHarvest]

They call themselves a "Non-Denominational New Testament church" - Here's the channel of the church he pastored. Hegewisch Baptist: kzbin.info

[@bkskaksngaggasksksksksi3387]

@@ReadyToHarvest Thank you so much for replying.

[@anarchorepublican5954]

8:38.... The Separation Baptist Churches

[@tomcisneros5965]

I used to be IFB. To me it was alot of legalism. Remined me of pentecostal apostolic church i used to go to.

[@anunpopularstance]

I am part of an independent baptist church and do believe it is typically the closest to scripture based worship I've seen. My father is a Nazarene minister so I do believe others can still be saved and worship regardless of denomination however they tend to be to progressive imo. Most other churches. (Sbc included) tend to worry more about not offending the people as opposed to obeying God at least in my experience. This is why it's so vital everyone read God's word daily AND take context into account so they won't be deceived....like Catholics.

[@BeachsideHank]

"...take context into account..." If the words are truly inerrant, then context is irrelevant as *every word would tell.*

[@anunpopularstance]

@@BeachsideHank inerrant doesn't mean context is irrelevant. Many people love to quote Bible verses without taking into account the entirety of the passage. And example would be claiming God says not to judge. That was my point. God's word is inerrant but we are instructed to actually read it and not simply pick excerpts that fit our agenda and/or allow us to justify sin.

[@ericespinoza373]

Isnt the big difference that Southern Baptists and Independent Baptist have a different interpretation of what the saving gospel is. Specifically the role of repentance.

[@ReadyToHarvest]

There are people with both views on repentance from both Independent Baptists and Southern Baptists. Most Independent Baptists and Southern Baptists would view those in the other group as not teaching damnable heresy., e.g. that those who follow their teachings can be saved.

[@derektan2971]

There's a number of IFB churches became Reformed Baptist ? What is Reformed Baptist that attracted so many Independent Baptist ?

[@ReadyToHarvest]

I don't think there are many non-Calvinist IFB churches that have become Calvinist. It does happen, normally when a younger pastor becomes Calvinist himself and then steers the church in that direction.

[@reedermh]

Many of them were former SBC churches which hired a pastor who hid his Calvinist leanings. The usual pattern is secretly introduce Calvinism, those who opposed it usually left on their own, excommunicate anyone else who didn't leave but didn't agree. Jordan Hall of Protestia (formerly Pulpit and Pen) is a leader in the ex-SBC Reformed Baptist movement.

[@patmacken5130]

This was the closest I could find to a " What is the..." for independent Baptist.....maybe that sould be done before comparing any denomination to another?

[@thewatcher4552]

None of the differences matter eternally. I attend a IBC, but also attend SBC Seminary so I get the best of both workds! 😂

[@classicchristianliterature]

Eschatology is huge in Independent Baptist churches - I would imagine all are dispensationalists

[@ReadyToHarvest]

Not all, and there are even some hardline anti-dispensationalists like Steven Anderson. But you are right that the vast majority are dispensational.

[@classicchristianliterature]

@@ReadyToHarvest Doesn't he fall under an even more exclusive group the "new" independent fundamental baptists. I think they are anti- repentance too from what I have seen. He has some kind of "repentance black list" website.

[@ReadyToHarvest]

@@classicchristianliterature Sure, the New IFB is a subset in itself, but the churches are still Independent Baptist. At least they claim the title.

[@jamesreed5678]

@@ReadyToHarvest What were Independent Baptist churches a century ago before they knew of Dispensationalism? What do modern Baptists think most Baptists through history were?

[@corychartier7961]

Good job without taking a side.