Are Lutherans and Anglicans the Same?

[@steveempire4625]

Wow, Joshua truly destroyed the commentator piece by piece but with the highest degree of Christian charity and respect.

[@_Palesa_M]

I like that about him 😂

[@rmoss42]

Dude dispatches deluded dissenters deftly, dispassionately, and in-depth, like a Vulcan 🖖

[@shirtless6934]

You have to get up awfully early in the morning to beat Joshua's research skills that is one thing I really enjoy about his videos the thoroughness of his research and presentation

[@AF-tv6uf]

He didn't even crack a smile or use a snide tone in any of the presentation. Just allowed the facts to speak for him. That's pure, distilled scholarship.

[@loriloristuff]

I wholeheartedly concur! Bravo, Joshua.

[@vogerbits2204]

Joshua, you're something else. This is the classiest video response I've seen to a snarky comment in a long time. You must be a fantastic professor.

[@Psychoveliatonet]

Opening with that comment was gold 😂 God bless

[@memesofconcord1]

No way! Dr. Jordan B. Cooper made it into a Ready to Harvest video! This makes me very happy! 😆

[@kjorlaug1]

Never insult someone who knows a sh*t ton more about a topic than you do. That's the lesson from this video 😂

[@williamgunderson7365]

If you ask me a lot of people on the internet still need to learn that lesson 😅

[@fashionkiller5052]

Absolutely- how embarrassing

[@josephnelson9739]

As an English member of the Lutheran Church in Great Britain we certainly are not the same as the church to England… we work together but there are still many theological differences

[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

I'm an American member of the Anglican Church and being told I was "well acktuallied" as a Lutheran really made me feel dumbfounded. When I'm not Lutheran. And infact Anglicanism is a via-media denomination between Catholicism and Reformed theology. Though we are neither reform and we are not Catholic either. Upper case Catholic I mean not lower case catholic.

[@josephnelson9739]

I’m not entirely sure what your comment has to do with mine given I made no such claim in my comment… all I am saying is that as a Lutheran, who is in the UK, we are not the same as the Church of England even if we are very close and work together

[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

@@josephnelson9739 i didn't say what you think. I mean yea I had the same reaction as you did to the video. I'm pretty much saying "I'm with you bro" but reverse

[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

@@josephnelson9739 sorry if you misunderstood me or if I didn't speak clearly

[@TimC1517]

Great to see Dr. Cooper shouted out in this video! His channel is an excellent resource for Confessional Lutheranism and philosophy more generally

[@AnglicanFish]

The difference between Anglican and Lutheran beliefs is that Anglicanism has more different beliefs within itself than it does without itself Anglicanism is hard to understand but don’t worry Anglicans don’t understand either

[@pipsheppard6747]

As an Anglican, I can confirm that last statement!

[@BoondockBrony]

@@pipsheppard6747 And even in the more conservative branches of Anglicanism, it's a big tent church regardless on how theological conservative they are. For example Young Anglican, a KZbinr on here doesn't use the filioque in his recitation of the Nicene Creed so he's more Eastern than Western Christianity in that regard.

[@nathaniellathy6559]

One Lutheran minister said Anglicans have more 💰 😂

[@JohnMinehan-lx9ts]

Anglicans (and the Orthodox Churches) are bigger on worshipping than trying to understand what G-d has said are Mysteries. Catholics and Lutherans believe that trying to understand these Mysteries is part of worship (even if it is impossible).

[@MarcillaSmith]

Lutherans are separated from full communion with the Holy See by heresy, whereas Anglicans are separated by schism only.

[@christianwalton7080]

Our guy really made another whole video respectfully destroying silly comments piece by piece lol

[@jatar6605]

As someone living in Ithaca, NY, that has gone to the same church as Jordan B Cooper, and has debated him back and forth on the exact issue of Lutheranism vs Anglicanism, it brings me immense joy to see him being referenced in this video

[@borisvandruff7532]

#IthacaIsGorges Also Jordan Cooper is awesome.

[@memeboi6017]

Wow that’s awesome!

[@ro6ti]

Cream rises to the top. Joshua and Dr. Cooper are two of my favorites.

[@Luredreier]

​@@ro6tiJordan B Cooper?

[@ro6ti]

@@Luredreier Dr. Jordan B. Cooper, if you really needed it spelled out.

[@yourneighborkevin]

Of all the KZbin channels about literally ANYTHING EVER, why would you pick the best researched, most information dense, most comprehensively detailed, and the bloody driest channel to leave a half-baked, presumptuous, sanctimonious comment on a video? I mean, this was a really amazingly put together dissection of ecumenical efforts among Lutherans and Anglicans. It’s imminently useful and easy to follow. Imagine having inspired that level of retort from someone, one that will be useful to other people for years to come. One that student will reference. Yeesh. And “driest” is not even a complaint, by the way. The main reason I subbed was because I detected no BS and I became convinced none would surface.

[@wizardmadnes8035]

Please do more videos on the different traditions in Continental Europe. Thank you

[@dest1239]

All I know is Jesus isn't divided up, instead the picture of wholeness. Great channel you have here, keep up the good content.

[@OlviMasta77]

Finnish viewer here. Loved hearing you talk about lutheranism and the nordic region! Porvoo is pronouced differently to what you said. The O vowel is pronouced the same throughout the word. And it sounds like the swedish Å vowel. Hard to explain. Anyways, Keep up the good work, Josh! Love your videos!

[@michaelseay9783]

So is it pronounced Poor-Vah ?

[@Anastas1786]

@@michaelseay9783 Por-voh.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

The Å is what in America is the "Long O"; bow, sew, row, tow or toe.

[@TurtleMarcus]

The only difference between "O" and "OO", is that "OO" is longer (that why there are two of 'em).

[@OlviMasta77]

"Porrrr-voh" is the closest I could think of writing. But if americans say "Porr-voe" we'd understand what place they are referring to. @@Anastas1786

[@kerry2112]

I'm still waiting for a collab between you and a graphic designer critiquing and explaining all these logos 🤣 Some are pretty, but others . . .

[@fatherstevek]

Well said, brother! BTW - I'm an Anglican priest in the orthodox ACNA, serving as a Pastor in an orthodox Lutheran church in the NALC. Similar to other ecumenical agreements around the world; the ACNA and the NALC are in communion with each other and are (obviously) open to sharing ordained ministers. Keep up the good and charitable work!

[@intelligencehistory6506]

Earliest I've been, always love your videos man, they're like little academic lectures in the span of ten minutes or less

[@litigioussociety4249]

I think it's a reality of any denomination that progressive churches or individuals are more similar to each other. By definition, a progressive church abandons or does not strictly hold to their traditional teachings, which is the very thing that separates denominations. Your video on the variations of Amish and Mennonites illustrated this quite clearly with the most progressive essentially not really having anything in common with the most conservative Amish.

[@gamerofedge8111]

Having gone to Anglican, United, Mennonite, Pentecostal, Baptist, Catholic and NonDenom churches(And having a lot of friends who go to a local ELCIC church), it's not an abandoning of traditional teachings that separates denominations, it's that no one can agree on what the traditional teachings are, and most have an intolerance for people who do not believe exactly what the majority believes. Also, my family is Mennonite, I've seen progressive mennonites wear prayer veils and conservative ones deny doctrines of Pacifism or even basic things like the Trinity, this man's channel aims to teach Church traditions as it is written in creeds and on paper, not how it is actually seen in real life.

[@litigioussociety4249]

@@gamerofedge8111 I think your use of the term traditional is not synonymous with orthodox as I am using it. That means the beliefs of the early church. Those churches that adopt views that are new are considered progressive or liberal. It often starts with allowing women pastors, or no longer using some long held confession.

[@gamerofedge8111]

@@litigioussociety4249 Except the early church had women in leadership positions, and even the early church was not unified in their beliefs, there were Jewish Christians, the Gnostic Christians and plenty of diversity between Scriptures as well, such as the scrolls discovered in the Dead Sea Scrolls, the only reason none of this is in the Church today is due to people ALTERING Church teachings and picking and choosing what we should and should not include, and if you think people didn't have biases that resulted in Pauline/Nicene Christianity becoming the dominant form I would highly suggest looking into the Early Church and the political climate at the time of it's inception.

[@litigioussociety4249]

@@gamerofedge8111 Just because heresies were preached and practiced in the early church doesn't make them any more valid in accordance with the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles. The heresies died out after the ecumenical councils filtered out the more radical beliefs. Oriental Orthodox was the onlt large difference until The Great Schism that caused Eastern Orthodox to split from Rome. The purpose of the gatherings was to determine mostly what was agreed upon, and a little bit what was not tolerable. The intolerance of heresies and heterodoxy really came to light with The Reformation, which is why even the Catholics had some reforming of themselves. Women occasionally ministering the Word in the New Testament is no foundation for the egalitarian view pushed by many today. The scriptures clearly teach a complimentarian view of sex in the church.

[@lawpreacher2000]

As a person who has been Lutheran, I have to fight the urge to feel hurt and betrayed by someone who Thinks that Lutheranism and Anglicanism is the same.

[@octavianpopescu4776]

It's kind of funny, since the founders of these churches weren't exactly friends. Henry VIII received the title of Defender of the Faith from the Pope after writing a book refuting Luther's beliefs and even after his break with Rome, he was still suspicious of Lutherans or any other Protestants who went too far in his eyes. One time he burned at the stake equally 3 Lutherans and 3 Catholics... just to be fair and hate everyone equally.

[@jhoughjr1]

Well they are European, how in touch can they be?

[@blynkers1411]

@@jhoughjr1 XD

[@minui8758]

@@jhoughjr1screw you. We gave you these denominations in the first place. Plus we don’t suffer the illusion that we are the best country in the world like many of your silly countrymen

[@danielkulju9836]

As an Anglican, I feel the same!

[@MrMomo182]

Queen Anne's Lutheran husband, Prince George of Denmark, legally still had to take C of E communion at least once a year.

[@-vz-]

wow the "EDIT: you're American" comment got me laughing so hard

[@1258-Eckhart]

Why? He is.

[@sameash3153]

​@1258-Eckhart Because the commenter intended to be patronizing with that statement, and it was read with grace and charitability.

[@1258-Eckhart]

@@sameash3153 How do you know? From which part of the statement are you deriving your interpretation? Turn it through 180° and you add to me in a comment "Oh, your German". I would simply think: "yep, true".

[@sameash3153]

@@1258-Eckhart You are ignoring the eye roll emoji and the accusation that he doesn't understand a subject that his channel revolves around. Those are what make the statement patronizing.

[@1258-Eckhart]

@@sameash3153 On the eye-roll emoji - ok, fair comment, I unfortunately can''t see them properly even with spectacles (and didn't hear Joshua's reading of it). On "not understanding" - disagree, that goes too far. The challenge was "incomplete review, what about Europe?". Joshua has a fantastic understanding of denominational Christianity - possibly unrivalled in the world - and I'm very sure the commentator was not questioning this.

[@jhendric98]

No other video on this network has ever better shown the difference between a researched and balanced argument; and a social media backhanded slight.

[@Michael29040]

Wanted to add the ELCA entered full communion with the Anglican Church of Canada last year and at the same time the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada entered full communion with The Episcopal Church.

[@AnglicanFish]

They’re also in full communion with the United Methodist Church and United Church of Christ. So yeah they are the same. They’re all just liberal progressive heretics.

[@mercster]

The trend amongst liberal denominations, especially in some pockets, is to merge closer together (made almost necessary by both dwindling member rolls and external social pressures these denominations value, for some reason), evident when two churches with quite different histories, like this, merge. As they value "broad strokes" and societal issues more than doctrinal ones, it makes sense for them to put aside past divergences... who cares, none of it really matters all that much, right? But for this commentor to both a) ascribe great importance to events in the last 30 years, in denominations in a limited geographical area with rapidly dwindling religious adherence, and then b) roll their eyes at you dismissively for being "American", is ridiculous. This person is apparently so far up their own rear end, they think their tiny little experience is all that matters, both historically and geographically.

[@johanvandersandt8904]

In short... You just got Lutherized with some Anglican sauce on top. 🤣 I always thought that they were similar but there are some distinct differences. Thank you for your videos and awesome church facts!

[@OlviMasta77]

LOL

[@toranshaw4029]

Indeed. While there may appear, to the outsider, to be many similarities between the two traditions, there is quite a difference between them.

[@ma-mo]

You lnow those decks of cards that help you learn to identify military aircraft, or songbirds, or whatever? If you could go ahead and do one for denominations, that'd be great.

[@ReadyToHarvest]

Not a bad idea

[@Anastas1786]

Be careful. If you drop the deck on your foot, you're going to break something.

[@franklinrobinson]

Wow, Joshua. Your level of research is impressive.

[@adamkotter6174]

I love how committed to scholarship and Christ-like charity Joshua is. Not a lot of people could take what looks like an insult to their self and to their country and then make a video that fairly represents the potential arguments in favor of the commenter.

[@jaredfry]

A simple Venn diagram suffices where an exposition delights. Thanks for the video.

[@loriloristuff]

Proving that in some instances, ya can't tell your Lutherans and Anglicans without a scorecard

[@haydenbernays8602]

You should do a video on the Reformed Episcopal Church (REC)! It was its own body, with REC churches in many countries, and in America it became a founding part of ACNA

[@mcnielentertainment]

Joshua is right on the "why i am not anglican" type of videos. Dr. Jordan B Cooper is the one Confessional Lutheran Scholar i watch on KZbin. Definitely worth checking his channel after this video. Not trying to spam, just helping inform some viewers of that channel.

[@BramptonAnglican]

Thank you for explaining its not the same. I have many Anglican and Lutheran family members I myself am Anglican. It’s definitely different

[@samotte8279]

Thanks for mentioning the differences between ELCA, LCMS, and WELS. It’s frustrating as a WELS member explains the difference between all of the church bodies.

[@asarender3846]

Thank you for your videos! Love them so much

[@realDonaldMcElvy]

As an Episcopalian, I can assure you that the Full Communion we have with the ELCA is not a Full Confusion of our heritage.

[@ro6ti]

Most ecumenism is just creative redefining of terms to be able to shake hands for a photo.

[@graysonmyers3137]

Exactly! Anglo catholic Episcopalian here… many of the Episcopalians I know weren’t very thrilled when the Episcopal church made the full communion with the ELCA… some were quite against it. Some were even angry. A common complaint I heard was that “ELCA doesn’t have apostolic succession and is very much off the deep end liberal.” Many outside of the church think we share the same theology because we both accept women’s ordination and gay marriage but that is certainly *not* the case. Episcopalians in America about 90% of the time have a much higher view of the sacraments and liturgy than the ELCA does. And when it comes to more “minor” things like the method of communion and the elements, there are many Episcopalians who find using plastic cups for the wine/blood of Christ sacrilegious.

[@FarmerBill-cl4rb]

I'm a conservative ELCA member, honestly my congregation is closer to the LCMS, I'm not thrilled with the Episcopalians myself

[@mj6493]

@@graysonmyers3137 As a member of the ELCA, I'm fine with the full communion arrangement with the Episcopal Church. Many in the ELCA were not though. They felt that requiring ordination at the hands of a bishop was unnecessarily restrictive. On that issue, we lost quite a few congregations to what is now the Lutheran Congregations in Mission for Christ. They were mostly Pietistic-oriented congregations of Norwegian heritage who were never comfortable with the idea of bishops to begin with. Yes, we are off the deep end liberal (God help us!), but so is the Episcopal Church, so we are a good match on that. Regarding the episcopate, the ELCA adopted apostolic succession at the hands of other Lutheran bishops who were already is apostolic succession as a condition of full communion with the Episcopal Church. So, all ELCA bishops are in apostolic succession. I'm not sure what that's worth though. Neither Rome, nor the East recognize our bishops, so it's mostly just between the ELCA and the Episcopal Church. I'd have to disagree with you on Episcopalians having a higher view of sacraments and liturgy, especially on the sacraments ordained of Christ. From the Augsburg Confession: Article IX. Of Baptism Of Baptism they teach that it is necessary to salvation, and that through Baptism is offered the grace of God, and that children are to be baptized who, being offered to God through Baptism, are received into God’s grace. Article X. Of the Lord’s Supper Of the Supper of the Lord they teach that the Body and Blood of Christ are truly present, and are distributed to those who eat the Supper of the Lord. Short of accepting the Roman doctrine of Transubstantiation, which the Anglican 39 Articles calls repugnant to the plain words of Scripture, I'm unclear how much higher a church could go on Holy Communion. The only time I've ever received communion in plastic cups was during COVID. I suspect protesters on that point have a very limited or localized experience in the Lutheran Church. It's not served that way around where I live.

[@DeFyYing]

​​@@graysonmyers3137Sure, Anglo-Catholics may have a higher view of the sacraments and liturgy, but not all Anglicans are Anglo-Catholics. Historically, Anglicanism was a Calvinist church, even participating in the Reformed Synod of Dort, and the liturgy was very plain and austere until the 19th century. Hell, even crucifixes were largely considered "popery" until the Oxford Movement, while Lutherans have always retained it along with general iconography

[@richardounjian9270]

As a Catholic, I think calculus is easier to understand! Hat's off to the host for keeping track...mind boggling

[@agricolon]

In addition to the Povoo Association, there is also the "Community of Evangelical Churches in Europe". Members include most of the Lutheran and Reformed churches in Europe, the Uniate churches that arose from amalgamations of these churches, and pre-Reformation churches such as the Waldensians. I (German Lutheran, EKD) attended a conference a few months ago as an observer. And felt this "inner-Protestant" encounter very much as an encounter on an equal footing. Speaking of which, what do you think of Taizé?

[@TestifyApologetics]

Commenter: Joshua is a naïve American. Joshua: Imma ruin this man's whole career.

[@joevsimp]

Having been to weddings and christenings in the CofE and den Danske Folkekirke they are definately similar but undoubtedly different, little things like clothing and when the congregation stands or sits

[@NikoFinn]

Fascinating. I am from Finland. Your pronunciation of Porvoo was close to correct lol.

[@nathanbeard513]

Wow! Please remind me never to have a disagreement with Joshua. 😊

[@TwilightDawn193]

My two most favorite denominations!

[@ericmorris6068]

welp.. that answers that. Excellent work Joshua.

[@TurtleMarcus]

I also feel it is very relevant to mention that the signers of the original Porvoo Statement were all national state churches (former or current).

[@LutheranIdentity-uj8yk]

An important difference between Anglicanism and Lutheranism is where one put one's focus: church community or confession. Due to the unique situation in Great Britain with both a strong Catholic remnant and active Puritans/Presbyterian groups, the doctrine became subordinate, and the ecclesiastical organization (the episcopate) became emphasized. In Scandinavia, and the Baltics, Lutheranism became more dominant, and the focus therefore became instead on defending the pure doctrine from outside influences. Apostolic succession was retained, but more as an afterthought - something natural that didn't need defending. The Porvoo communion is from a confessional Lutheran perspective a rather strange construction. To enter communion with a chruch who does not have a clearly declared view of the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, would be completely unthinkable from a historical perspective. This was the reason why it was not possible to reach an agreement with the radical reformers in the 1530s, for example. That apostolic succession would somehow trump this difference in doctrine is a very Anglican way of thinking, and shows if anything how influenced the Lutheran world has been by English and American, for lack of a better word, "cultural imperialism" for the last 150 years.

[@georgebernard5783]

There is a fourth international body of Lutherans that is worth mentioning, the Global Confessional and Missional Lutheran Forum, founded by the NALC. It’s much smaller than the other three but many members are also a part of the LWF (like the Ethiopian Evangelical Church Mekane Yesus), the ILC (such as the Evangelical Lutheran Church - Peru), or both (like the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Kenya)

[@pinkroses135]

Yeah in America the altar and pulpit fellowship thing with whos allowed to preach up there is a bigger deal

[@davidmehling4310]

Another reason people may perceive these church traditions as same is that they are both broadly similar to Roman Catholic as far as general theology, style of service, liturgy, and appearance of buildings. As other commentors have pointed out as well as yourself, there is variety within both on points of doctrine. The Anglican Church of North America split from the Episcopal Church and Anglican Church of Canada in opposition to same sex unions, ordination of gays, abortion, and in some diocese, ordination of women. In the small city where I live, the only ECLA church transfered to National Association of Lutheran Churches over the same issues several years ago

[@davidmehling4310]

On a personal note, I was raised Catholic, left it forty years ago, joined a Presbyterian (PCUSA) church several years after that, left that about twenty five years ago, then this year, started attending an Episcopal church

[@sbccave4015]

I would expect a passive aggressive comment like this from someone who lives in Europe.

[@IncredibleMD]

Damn, even the Porvoo Communion itself disagrees with that dude.

[@felixweinlinger]

All respect to you there was no hint of spit in your response to this comment. You answered with facts and facts only no personal comments only reason.

[@Kyle-vb3fz]

I’m American and was ELCA Lutheran before getting saved in an SBC church. We attend a Baptist fellowship, and my wife grew up Roman Catholic. Quite the combo.

[@rldittmann2629]

, I'm always impressed with your fair handed treatment and high high degree of accuracy.

[@logicaredux5205]

Mo Synod Lutherans be like: Groan!

[@br.m]

Something about this video made me feel like laying in bed listening to the radio hoping and waiting to hear if school is cancelled because of bad weather

[@sirschober3811]

You should do Laestadian Lutheranism

[@Loves_Garage]

Yes please

[@Konantealiajnkredojn]

I love your channel. 💙

[@panicbuyflax3461]

Would you consider one day doing a video on SSPX?

[@shaunyip2153]

Now that's how you school a snarky naysayer, but in a true Christian way.

[@ericbrown3247]

I appreciate your distinctions here. One distinction that you came close to mentioning, by bringing up the BCP, is that Lutherans are a confessional church...we confess that the three creeds, along with Luther's Small Catechism and the Augsburg Confession and its Apology, are true witnesses to the Gospel. The Anglucan communion is not a confessional Church, although their Articles of Religion found in the Book of Common Prayer takes on a somewhat similar role, and the BCP also contains a Catechism. Again, I really appreciate your careful and thoughtful distinctions in this video.

[@brianraftery7675]

Well said, you well-spoken American! Haters gonna hate - nice turning of the cheek.

[@JohnParks-zc1pn]

How dare the European question Joshua? Joshua is the best. I really appreciate his objective analyses of the various religious groups.

[@pjosip]

This Church splits and mergers have become like NBA draft

[@HatterTobias]

Wildest question I've seen today

[@neilstewart7437]

I am an Episcopalian (Anglican). Being in full Communion with another church does not make both churches the same. Your previous videos about Lutherans and Anglicans were correct to me. I do not see the teachings as the same. To me, apostolic succession is a big deal. Many Lutherans hold no importance to this and mostly have a very different traditional view toward the priesthood (holy orders).

[@RepublicofE]

As a Lutheran I frankly find it a little odd that apostolic succession seems (from the outside at least) to be almost the only thing Anglicans from across the Anglican spectrum agree and insist on. Especially when you consider the degree of latitude allowed on things like the Lord's Supper. Apostolic succession is important to Catholics and Eastern churches because without it they say you don't have a valid celebrant for the eucharist (or at least it's doubtful that you do). But with the majority of Anglican jurisdictions holding to a Reformed view of the Supper, I don't see how AS would be as important for celebrating mass.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

"To me, apostolic succession is a big deal" If only there were some apostles!

[@karpov7233]

Church of Sweden and Church of Finland has it in the same sense as Church of England. Maybe Church of Latvia has got it in recent years. Porvoo churches are episcopalian, but some does not want the succession, in Denmark it is considered a disease which means a Swedish bishop is not allowed to lay the hands of a Danish bishop electus.

[@karpov7233]

About Germany, they are not really Lutherans. Biggest body EKD is a mix of Lutheran and Reformed, has not bishops in the same sense. There are two Lutheran bodies in Germany, SELK being the somewhat bigger. They are not episcopalian like the Porvoo churches and more like the Missouri synod.

[@schnitzelsemmel]

in continental Europe there's the CPCE (communion of protestant churches in Europe) including most of the lutheran, reformed and methodist churches. Some Nordic Lutheran Churches cooperate, but are not a full member (Church of Sweden, Finnish Lutheran church), while others (Norway, Denmark) are both a member of Porvoo and the CPCE. This means there's lutheran churches that are in full communion only with the other Lutheran churches, some are in full communion with virtually all continental mainline protestnats, some are in communion mainly with the anglicans etc.... Would love a video on the CPCE and the Leuenberg concord.

[@DavidWesley]

An elegant and brotherly slapdown. For an American, anyway!🤣

[@kithutchinson2461]

I am Lutheran and my parents are Episcopalian. While there are many similarities between Lutheranism and Anglicanism, they are different strands of Christianity.

[@toddbu-WK7L]

Does anyone else's head explode when watching these videos? Joshua does great work, but I usually get lost in the first few minutes when he focuses on more than one denomination at a time.

[@pinkroses135]

😂 Sometimes I do have to back up a bit. He does a great job of cramming knowledge in a small video.

[@Zundfolge]

My head doesn't explode but I often find his videos a tremendous reinforcement of my "anti-denominational" attitudes.

[@residuejunkie4321]

🎯

[@toddbu-WK7L]

@@Zundfolge Amen to that. This whole notion that we get to pick who and who is not "Christian" based on our own preferences is disheartening. 1 John 4 (the entire chapter) makes it pretty clear that anyone who professes that Jesus is God Incarnate, come to save us from our sins, is a Christian no matter how hard one may try to prove otherwise.

[@octavianpopescu4776]

@@Zundfolge What do you mean by anti-denominational? What would be the alternative to denominations?

[@chaoticelement5046]

Wow, that commenter was a jerk. You were much more polite than I would've been haha

[@cooljams_jams]

Don't take an ounce of their crap, Josh. This was the politest smack down of the year.

[@johnmcluckie7401]

Many thanks for this helpful explanation. The only thing I would suggest by way of clarification is that the 'Anglican' churches not in communion with Canterbury in the territories covered by Porvoo are vanishingly small. Its also worth noting that the C of E has agreements with German and French Protestant churches (Meissen and Reuilly respectively, with the other British and Irish Anglicans also being signatories to the latter). Some of the churches in these agreements are Lutheran but they stop short of full communion.

[@Warwickensis]

We're small, but we exist! 😉

[@michaelwright2986]

As you point out, there is a question whether Anglicanism is the same church: and this has always been the case, since Henry VIII ("that prince of blessed memory" as the BCP called him) seems to have wanted the old church but without the Pope, whereas some of the clergy were very radical reformers.

[@jehl1963]

In the historical clontext, the overlap is clearer. The groups who merged generally can trace themselves back to "state churches".

[@specialteams28]

Right on. The Anglican and Lutheran churches or The Church of England and the church of Germany.

[@johnhouchins3156]

@@specialteams28 The modern confessional Lutheran churches are descendents of those Lutherans who could not in good conscience comply with the states' desire to make things "simpler". We still can't.

[@howaboutataste]

Do people from other countries not recognize American accents?

[@Anastas1786]

Apparently Europeans think we're all either genericized New Yorkers or stereotypical cowboys. Some of them might recognize the occasional Southern accent or maybe a strong Northern Midwestern (not that they could _place_ them; they're just broadly "American"), but unless they have an actual _interest_ in the country or actual British people standing by to compare to, standard "Newscaster's English" just seems to wash right over them and you can pass as just "not from around here" unless they check your passport or you have the gall to smile in public or expect people in the service industry to perform services for you.

[@charliep5139]

The commenter didnt know you were american? What did he think you were by your accent? Maybe Canadian but you'd have to have a really bad ear for accents to think that! Another great video. Dont worry about it. Haters gonna hate

[@enduser8410]

1:39 You can sense even Joshua is tired of the casual snobbishness coming from Europeans when discussing the US. Like, why did the commenter even have to bring up being American for?

[@SantaFe19484]

I never knew this question existed.

[@johnhouchins3156]

These explanations may help those outside the Lutheran faith to understand WHY there are some differences between the bodies that matter enough to hold to their doctrine than to participate in unionism. I would hope that any church body would hold to the truth before joining other bodies just to "get along.".

[@waynecorker9098]

A very thorough description of the differences. Here in Australia the primary difference is that Lutherans claim a confessional formulation. Anglicans especially the more liberal and progressive reject any confessional boundaries to membership. Sydney tries to set confessional interpretation of anglican formulae but the requirement of personal conversion to christ is not a shared by many anglicans outside Sydney. I understand that no Lutherans would accept this understanding. The interchangeable ministers is more about the pastoral ability of clergy to work in different contexts which reflects the vicar of bray tradition of anglican clergy. This means anglicans are baised to denial of difference with other christain traditions. So in discussions anglicans will talk to every one even seven day Adventists. The only limitation appears to be liberal progressive who do not wish to make concessions to socially conservative christains. If you are not woke we won't talk. In some ways it shows how the inherited definitions of christain dominations now fail to contain the diversity of faith and practice.

[@BlueHayterade]

Daaaaang, my man the religion professor rolling up with a savage take down. Hope the commenter loves Jesus, cause he just got crucified.

[@pipsheppard6747]

Still waiting on a video on the continuing Anglican movement in the US.

[@grumble2009]

Nicely explained!

[@GirolamoZanchi_is_cool]

And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13

[@GirolamoZanchi_is_cool]

“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16

[@GirolamoZanchi_is_cool]

Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. -Acts 3:19

[@johnroscoe2406]

Having fun are you?

[@lynnebee47]

St. Olaf’s Lutheran Church in Bear Lake, Ontario, Canada (established 1876) shares any available Lutheran or Anglican minister/pastor willing to provide services for this little congregation of 30 people.

[@TheBlackToedOne]

Sir, with all respect this is a trick question as it is impossible to answer. With currently over 40 different synods, "Lutherans" are not the same. The spectrum goes from conservative just this side of Catholicism to liberal to the point of ordaining women, condoning abortion, and performing same-sex marriages.

[@susanmolnar9606]

I love that I was brought up in an ELCA Lutheran Church. Jesus didn’t judge and loved all his children. Yay

[@mudbrick6083]

Just wanna say that the LCMS has had ecumenical talks with the ACNA Anglican Church but of course they have not come into fellowship because of the ACNA allowing women’s ordination and belief in the Real Presence in the Supper to be “nonessentials” 😂 Also, the WELS is not “more confessional” than the LCMS. They simply interpret the Lutheran Confessions differently than the LCMS. Which is funny and ironic but important as a correction.

[@jeffkardosjr.3825]

I wonder if it's possible for the Reformed Episcopal Church to fellowship separately with the LCMS. Since the REC is kind of like a denomination within a denomination and doesn't ordain women.

[@alonchboye5538]

Have you thought about doing a video on the Igreja Católica Apostolica Brasileira?

[@MrDaAsif]

My church growing up was ECLA and they would have the statement that all were welcome

[@Mazinga]

Sorry but why do you show a picture of a female pastor when talking about Lutherans. ELCA by definition is not Lutheran. They are apostates, neither lutheran nor christian.

[@VincentLancon]

Nice outro logo bro

[@aussiebloke51]

Without naming people or places, I know of one situation where Anglicans use a Lutheran Church for services but retain their own liturgy etc. A visiting Anglican priest will preside at an Anglican Eucharist for the Anglicans but on occasions a Bishop from the Lutheran Church, under the terms of the Porvoo agreement, has administered Confirmation when needed. In this situation at least, the Porvoo Agreement is more about mission than ecumenism. Both the Lutherans and the Anglican retain their heritage and identity, but work together when needed.

[@d.b.5070]

Thumbnail doesn’t show a Lutheran

[@DDCrp]

Ey yo that American dig was dirty

[@AmericanShia786]

I'd put my money on Ready to Harvest in any debate with a European Christian! Joshua wouldn't even do an eye roll after winning the debate. He's a true scholar.

[@Sir-Cyr_Rill-Nil-Mill]

Are American Home churches mostly invisible statistically?

[@ro6ti]

Yes, they're invisible because they're chicken and want to avoid persecution of any kind.

[@johnroscoe2406]

What an asinine, nasty comment that person made, and how much it says about you that you responded to it with grace and honesty.

[@davidbloomquist5385]

That was the most polite spanking of a self righteous European by an American I’ve seen in a while.

[@nschultz4714]

It’s complicated it’s a yes on some things and no on others. TEC and ELCA share many things in common eg seminary and acceptance of each other’s confirmations but more independent episcopal/Anglican denomination off shoots since the 1960s are absolutely independent. I counted 28 or so by 2020. So it is with the plethora of Lutheran denominations. I would expect 20 or so in North America alone. Had to correct a typo.