Real crime - Crocodile tears (with working sound) S02E03

This documentary has already been posted on KZbin, but all versions I've found have sound only playing on the left side (I think) and not on the right. So... I fixed it. Video quality's not very good, but I didn't rip it so don't blame me. :)
In this documentary, they talk about criminals how've tried to fool the world with their crocodile tears. It's the third episode in the second series of "Real crime" and was broadcast on the 7th of May 2002.

[@Alvildus]

If someone killed my spouse/child/parent/sibling, and the killer got only 6 years...I might take the law into my own hands. That's just sickening.

[@namasteme]

Alvildus yes and mabey ill get 10 years , so i would take it ion my hands , i would fucking make him suffer so bad as well

[@savannaking9833]

Alvildus I completely agree,cus at this point it would be the only way to get it..

[@christinasimons8361]

Oh absolutely, me too! What a slap in the face, 6 years for murder. Not only has the family lost someone they loved very much, but now they have to face the realization that the life of their loved one is only worth 6 years to the judicial system. People go to prison for LIFE for far lesser crimes.

[@ncredbird3998]

Me too, but I can say I think I wouldn't even let it fall to the courts to punish the murderer, if just give them what torment they put my family through, kill them the same way they killed my family member. Court would rather work out deals and then force me to pay for life care of the very person that murdered my loved one. A person that murdered with intent just doesn't deserve the right to life or go for an appeal as they don't afford those choices to the murdered.

[@tonistark4169]

Alvildus in reviewing and seeing murder cases from England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 whether on our INVESTIGATION DISCOVERY & other true crime stories, I find that England seems the most “lenient” in the sentences of the worst homicides. 🤦🏼‍♀️🙅🏼‍♀️. Why? Seems like sentences between Henry VIII and current laws need to imposed. The US doesn’t mess around. Murder I or capital murder carries a death sentence or life without parole. Smh

[@mikewilliam5315]

I stumbled on these Real Crime documentaries and now I'm hooked. Wish they had a show like this in the USA. There are too many "reality" shows and gossip shows in the US. Thank you for downloading

[@gc4982]

Mike William Read ann rule books

[@Zzoarqg]

G c Love Ann Rule..

[@drewbranch7700]

I stumbled on these crime documentaries as well,but you may want to try watching the ID channel and “SNAPPED” on oxygen channel -State side. I reckon you would like their real crime documentaries .

[@CountryGirl.64]

Drew Branch A&E also. Escape and the Justice Channels are also great ones. HLN

[@QueenE31]

I know what you mean. In the USA you get life for drug offences, especially in Texas.

[@brali1717]

2 days after she’s gone missing the mistress moves in? What if she comes back.. oh yeah, he definitely knew she wasn’t coming back, so did the mistress

[@jackschmidt2911]

So that country doesn't have accessory to murder?

[@rottenheavenly6245]

The mistress planned the killing with him....should have been jailed too

[@aletaimmonen1371]

TRUE

[@jameskid81]

imagine killing someone then moving your mistress in the next week, come on are you serious? Youd wait at least a year wouldnt you, but hey ho alas he got caught and got a 6, be out in 3 or 4 crazy

[@465marko]

@@jameskid81 Reminds of the one where the mom gets shot (by the dad) and the dad calls 911, and you can hear the son on the phone saying to his dad "oh no, oh god etc Are you going to remarry?" Literally as his mum is dying. Nothing suspicious about that whatsoever lol... I think it was a ThatChapter video.

[@EdinburghMayhem]

After that taped conversation I don't know how they didn't connect Karen. She plainly knows all about it; is suggesting he should have asked her and then says where the body is! It's absurd! If she knew the woman was dead then at the very least, LEAST, she's ipeding or hiding knowledge of a crime.

[@theSpiritofTamzin]

Agreed...

[@rayyanmahameru8804]

Agree

[@juliecooper3989]

His new wife knew what he had done and she should be in jail with him.

[@patriciatreslove146]

6 years for murder, that isn't justice, also the second wife isn't charged with anything when she clearly knew he had killed his wife.

[@susiepoo51]

And she said “ Our” fingerprints were all over that bag

[@TheShmoo123]

It sounds like these 2 deserved each other. I can’t believe the side piece, he ended up marrying after they got rid of his wife, was looking for a man who would murder the Mother of his own children!

[@itsjustnopinionok]

Yeah, the desperation of the 2nd wife to knowingly marry a man she knew had murdered his first wife. She even implicated herself to the crime. She is as sick a person as he is.

[@IwasBlueb4]

exactly

[@Jedstop]

It wasn’t 6 years for murder it was 6 years for manslaughter.

[@peaceandhonesty3516]

I hate when they say that these murderers went to prison for 'life' when we know full well life does not mean life.

[@Jolenesmart1980]

25 years max out in ten ish

[@fionahamilton7231]

The UK justice system in a joke you have yo murder 10 people for a full life term

[@dreasmom2789]

@@fionahamilton7231 i know. This is why i wonder why the murder rate is lower there then the US. Could it be because of the guns laws are different?

[@varrjames186]

@@dreasmom2789 I'm sure that guns are the main factor why there are more killings in the US than the UK. I live in Australia and since they tightened up the gun laws after a mass shooting at Port Arthur in Tasmania there has been a huge decrease in gun related deaths. Even if the USA brought in the same strict gun laws, it would take many decades to clean the streets of them.

[@Nettledust]

Actually, it is a life sentence which means that when released from prison, they are only ever out on licence and can be returned to prison at any time. I recommend you read Life After Life by Tony Parker.

[@Yellowbulma]

wait he just turned 8 and he was on a bus for 6 hours and no one was worried before that?

[@MargaritaMagdalena]

The first guy actually tried the "it's a prank bro" trick on the police 😂😂😂

[@CatScreenTime]

I know Margarita that was funny. It’s a sort of thing a 10-year-old would say to their parent.

[@raventhorgon2065]

6 years 😳 WTF that is EXTREMELY DISRESPECTFUL TOWARDS THE DECEASED WIFE AND HER FAMILY.

[@SuperTonyony]

Disrespect, yes, but how about we lock him up and keep him from doing it again, more importantly.

[@lesleythornton1811]

Terrible

[@mummybunny331]

So wrong .Her life was worth so much more...In bed with the Lodger ...What a complete Shite !!

[@tradeladder146]

She should have been given 650 years like in The U.S. The Land of The Free-Dumb. LOL.

[@geslinam9703]

@@tradeladder146 not even always justice in the US. Not everyone gets the sentence they deserve

[@IreneRheinoRheinberger]

6 years for killing your wife and his second wife new about it and doesn't get charged. This is laughable.

[@MrV1r00zz]

Especially when they legit get A FULL CONFESSION from the actual killer its sickening

[@mandymandy1524]

I swear he nodded yes, when he was asked if he had killed her!!

[@tinamcleod3928]

I agree 10000%. That’s how much her life was worth to a court., absolute joke !

[@elizabethmenegon8057]

The second one 8 years...

[@MarceloRomero360]

You summed it up beautifully- This is laughable👍

[@lesleythornton1811]

Still can't get over 'what do you think?'

[@finisher2024]

The justice system is a failure and pathetic.

[@s0rella777]

I'll never understand why people do these things. Just get a divorce and getting visitation with your kids instead of murdering your wife. And 6 years is an insult to the victims family.

[@Kdeakin2615]

Get the insurance unfortunately

[@lesleythornton1811]

Or they are psychopaths or narcotic sociopaths. I don't think that guy got much insurance did he? Apologies I see so many cases. The father killed his daughter because of control and maybe because of his affair, but probably more about losing control

[@laylah150]

@@lesleythornton1811 yeah fathers (and family) are more likely to kill their daughters than their male offspring. it's definitely about control and in a lot of cases honour/respect and how others view them

[@monicdavis6150]

Money and pure evil.

[@tauresattauresa7137]

Greed for money.

[@kishannaconandoyle1907]

Jamie family's pains bring me to tears. Poor boy, poor family. Who kills an innocent soul like a child is a monster, he doesnt deserve any compassion.

[@frelnc]

I don't understand how his second wife wasn't tried as well. She literally admitted her involvement in the phone conversation.

[@slenjamiah]

Mary Kay Thompson money talks

[@EdinburghMayhem]

I thought it was incredibly obvious she certainly knew all about it.

[@hauntboy]

Yes, I thought that too. She gave indication that she didn't know about it at the time he did it, only after. But surely that makes her involved by way of perverting the course of justice?

[@simonw1313]

Mary Kay Thompson - thought so too. Accessory after the fact?

[@Skindoggiedog]

She's female. Females are barely ever held responsible for their actions.

[@nirmalkumargurung7628]

when the reporter asked Roger did you killed your wife, his expression and attitude said it all.. the monster got only 6years, the second wife should be jailed too..

[@CraftingMyWorld]

Thanks for uploading this version and fixing the sound. I had tried listening to the other uploads with the sound on the left side but it was annoying - so I did a search and found your version. Appreciate it very much!

[@matariki3638]

When asked had he killed his wife, the look on his face said it all.

[@jayfurjill]

I swear he nodded when asked that. Made me shudder.

[@wrens4365]

@@jayfurjill That's what I noticed at first.

[@faithnurse5591]

Sspsps

[@angelogandolfo4174]

@@wrens4365 Yes me too; makes me shudder again, just thinking back.

[@ermac6466]

His reply "what do u think" is more of an inquiry on how well his acting is.

[@miap6844]

Flemming, the man who killed his daughter - what a horrific case. To hear of a father murdering his daughter, let alone is such a severe manner, is beyond devastating.

[@BarryJSilva]

Must have been one hell of an argument!

[@sandisandii2033]

Another Chris Watts...

[@ashleywhiting2141]

I live in the town where this tragic murder occurred, and nearby at brooksbank school there is a plaque dedicated to her memory

[@sweetfaith2011]

Why in the world would someone that's convicted of murder not be locked up forever and someone convicted of homicide get 6 and 8 years in prison? The justice system in the UK is horrible!

[@1physics]

Yeh i bet the highly qualified, experienced legal experts in the uk have never asked themselves that.... - and you don't sound like you want an answer but maybe its so that we don't fill our prisons with people who aren't dangerous to society (even murderers can change) and they don't want suspects with nothing to lose killing witnesses, police, other prisoners etc etc because they have no hope left. I think we are ok in the uk thanks 😊

[@sweetfaith2011]

@@1physics Yea ok, tell that to the victims and their loved ones. I'm so grateful to live in the USA in a state with the death penalty. Unlike you I don't support rapists and murderers, but will stand up for the innocent whose lives are ruined by these monsters.

[@andreabrava6899]

I am confused. Homicide is devided into Murder Manslaughter Justifieble Manslaughter

[@claireanderson4642]

I agree. In my local town, 2 thugs beat an innocent young lad to death because he challenged them for queue jumping. One got 'life' the other got 6 years for manslaughter and was out in 3.

[@elsanille5349]

@@1physics Don't think that you understand. Have you actually followed up??

[@jamesr1703]

I watch these programs so that I remain jaded about how evil most humans are and it keeps me safe and alive.

[@Vindsus86]

Most humans are good. Or try to be.

[@rebeccalavoy6655]

@@Vindsus86 ...There are too many bad one's out there. I have had many close calls, not due to any fault of my own.

[@steph7139]

Me too 100%!

[@gordonaliasme1104]

@@steph7139 You can't hide from death...it is like a thief in the night😬

[@steph7139]

@@gordonaliasme1104There’s no relation at all between the fact that we’re all going to die someday and wanting to be careful and protective...

[@leedummett6054]

they held a party after Vickers was released. no one holds a party if there child is missing.

[@Jhizzle2495]

what do you mean

[@IwasBlueb4]

she is weird too...maybe having an affair with the bus dr

[@janthomson7697]

A strange reaction.

[@lizatanzawa7910]

"...No evidence of involvement of his current wife...." WHAT?!? In the wiretap she was reaming him out about gloves, fingerprints, hiding the body! How could they let her walk free!

[@lesleythornton1811]

Absolutely

[@lesleythornton1811]

I really don't know. Unbelievable

[@m.j.mbrooks1859]

Did anyone else see that nod at 6:44?

[@chelleyd4020]

M.J.M Brooks yes I did, was like when patsy Ramsey was asked if she thought jonbenet was taken by an intruder? And as she shook her head her husband answered yes!

[@Kat-em7dp]

M.J.M Brooks

[@alvinjones670]

M.J.M Brooks I SAW IT!!!

[@Skindoggiedog]

You're not very good at reading people. It wasn't a nod. It was an attempt to appear offended at the question, with a slight 'taken aback' reaction combined with an 'I'm offended' exhaling of breath.

[@rubypits2541]

cristina aguillera

[@Annalyse74]

SIX BLOODY YEARS 😡😡😡😡😡😡.. and what about his second wife 'perverting the course of justice' SURELY

[@laurarules3642]

a bit more female privilege hahaha

[@lesleythornton1811]

Definitely should, whenever she found out after

[@bahamasoapmama]

How can you sleep soundly at night next to a man who killed his wife?

[@Fluffimuff]

bahamasoapmama maybe she put him up to it. But I agree, how would anyone want to be with a murderer?

[@m.j.mbrooks1859]

bahamasoapmama more to the point, if he killed his first wife after having an affair, whose to say he'd just be satisfied with her and wouldn't stray from a marriage a second time?

[@paganwitchchild9850]

Some sluts will do anything.

[@tinamcleod3928]

Pagan Witchchild WELL said !!

[@MrConan89]

How could Myra Hindley consort with Ian Brady in all the crimes, etc.?

[@nach0vidal]

Poor child Jamie. May god bless you little angel.

[@neverwhere1391]

6 years is farcical! How could it be Manslaughter??! He already had wife #2 lined up and she was so cold in that bugged recording, she has to have been involved.

[@lesleythornton1811]

Agreed

[@Nemshee]

Because they had nothing to prove it was murder you dunce.

[@luciad5988]

Who the hell would marry someone who murdered their spouse to be with you??

[@mattb6704]

It’s kind of flattering in a weird way...

[@roberts8524]

Beats a bunch of red roses and a box of inferior chocolates?

[@simonpitt8145]

@@roberts8524 LOL. I shouldn't have laughed at that but just couldn't help it.

[@khangelwakhathi508]

Right thats insane!!!

[@balisandra94]

Probably a similarly fucked in the head individual

[@1974Asha]

When hes asked did you kill her. JUST before he answers he nods his head. Micro -expression. He answered yes without meaning to

[@tracycollins1327]

GUILTY THEN ...

[@harryklotter7652]

He was guilty indeed but I could nod like that because I'd been waiting for that question and it would be a nod of "there it is". Don't we all know by now that Police first suspects spouses anyway?

[@isabelbell559]

Tracy Collins j

[@Skindoggiedog]

You're not very good at reading people. It wasn't a nod. It was an attempt to appear offended at the question, with a slight 'taken aback' reaction combined with an 'I'm offended' exhaling of breath.

[@trixeylabelle8801]

Andrea Sims I noticed him do that tiny kinda half a nod aswell, I think he suddenly realized it himself and mibe that's why it was such a quick tiny nod of guilt that he had to stop ?

[@blancabonazzibonaca9145]

Six years? Is that all her life was worth? I hope the new wife knows she is next.

[@Zzoarqg]

+Blanca Bonazzi Bonaca That disgusting woman Karen, the new wife should be charged with something as well, maybe just for being such a disgusting person.

[@blancabonazzibonaca9145]

I agree. Well again, there is Karma, she could be next.

[@Zzoarqg]

Blanca Bonazzi Bonaca LOL! And Karma does not discriminate, you are so right she has it coming.

[@blancabonazzibonaca9145]

yolanda cuevas That's right!

[@Skindoggiedog]

He won't kill her. I'll bet you any amount of money. How can you be so old yet know so little about how the world works?

[@georginahadjisavva9330]

British law us laughable, six years for murder a real deterrent.

[@xenazon9731]

The death penalty is no deterrent. We have it, and the states with capital punishment have much more violent crime than those without it. So what would YOU suggest?

[@mindrolling24]

True. If the death penalty were a deterrent then their would be lower rates of violent crime in states that had it than those that do not but it isn't the case.

[@umedavk2011]

+ Georgina, I could not agree more. A ludicrous sentence for a man who murdered his wife after twice cheating on her. A life sentence - which he would have got in the US - would have been just.

[@cynthiaschlosser9713]

I am so glad that I read this before I got into this video..it would have pissed me off to no end to see what transpired..

[@umedavk2011]

+ Zena A great question which has never been successfully answered. It is true that the death sentence is no deterrent to other would-be killers; the best you can say about it is that THAT particular killer won't kill again ! To that extent we are protecting society from him/her. My only problem with the death sentence is that we have killed the wrong person so many times, it is scary. Also, many other prisoners, after long periods on death row, have been set free on new evidence. So the death sentence is not the way to go IMHO. In my view a life sentence for 1st degree murder should be mandatory. Also, prison is hell for most inmates. I've heard hardened criminals come out and say that they would rather die than go back in to that jungle of survival. For other degrees of murder, depending on the circumstances, a suitable LONG sentence would be more effective. Once you execute a guy, that's it - he doesn't suffer anymore. But prison would be torture for years. Whatever the case, you will never get a perfect system of crime and punishment.

[@natashaw476]

This is so horrific, poor Jamie may he rest in peace. Hope his evil killer burns in hell. The poor boy, only just turned 8 how was he riding a bus all day alone? So sad.

[@ProkofNY]

Bob’s daughter has the most astonishing eyes.

[@sarahjaneclarke6614]

Moving in his lover after two days, now that is cold blooded after he killed his wife!!!!

[@oldishandwoke-ish1181]

Can't understand a woman wanting such a man. Us women have a massive capacity for self-delusion 😣

[@nolasyeila6261]

Liars often answer a question with a question instead of a denial.

[@notthedoctor8621]

No, non liars answer questions with questions as well. His issue, like many menes arrogance and tried to belittle the interviewer

[@kimberleyjane2338]

Nola, I suspect because it gives them time to pose and think. I never correct a liar because they just get better at it.

[@mollycleary6439]

@@notthedoctor8621 p

[@anamikaaudra2868]

I also answer a insulting/rude question with a question of my own. And not because i need to lie, but because they are being presumptuous and overstepping their boundaries. What you mentioned is a misconception

[@inaayatsingh8794]

It’s called deflection....also if u notice his head nodded yes as soon as the question was asked...behavioural science ...

[@NekoInk13]

*Hint* If you are ever asked to take out life insurance by your spouse....do not do it! xD

[@hardy2175]

@@SB-dx7kb insurance sales person, huh

[@laurarules3642]

@@SB-dx7kb haha

[@paulbrennan4163]

​@@SB-dx7kb Very rare???? What do you base that comment on?

[@uncannyvalley2113]

@@SB-dx7kb it's more common to get killed by someone you know than by a stranger

[@paulbrennan4163]

@Richard Wagner OK, fair enough, it looks like I missunderstood the comment. I thought he meant that when someone is murdered then it is rarely the spouse. No need for the insult though.

[@MZ-xc3or]

6 years?! what kind of justice is that?! 😡

[@sinisterhayloz1691]

Sleep MyLove uk law is krazy when you compare life sentences in usa when u hear if men having over 800 900 yrs sounds silly wen we no thay r not gonna live that long bu uk thay can kill 3 people n get 3 life sentences that add up to 34 yrs thats not life. if 16 thay are still gonna a have a life after prison have kids get married n yeah 6 yrs is a joke that bitch he married shude have been done also

[@MrsLevinson175]

Unfortunately manslaughter carries a lighter sentence than murder 😣

[@jamesr1703]

The most heinous human monsters are those who harm and/or kill children. I regret having watched this show.

[@janthomson7697]

It is very sad.

[@sandycheeks5608]

when the reporter asks if he killed his wife he nods once... it is body language and this never lies

[@BabyDaks]

Totally

[@thetruthwillsetyoufree9209]

BL = BS

[@IwasBlueb4]

exactly

[@IwasBlueb4]

@Alexis N. nope...he nodded....that was his instant reaction

[@Jolenesmart1980]

@@IwasBlueb4 no if you scoff your head does not during that

[@jackieoman1221]

wow 6years or 8 years for killing your wife? Crazy !

[@tessgregory987]

Thank you for uploading all these old films.

[@NondescriptMammal]

I FEEL CHEATED, NOT ONE PERSON IN THIS SHOW WAS EATEN BY A CROCODILE

[@junkievideo]

lol

[@jacquiday7843]

Nondescript like it lol

[@wearelegion5533]

And the reward for the best KZbin comment goes to you :D

[@tiffanyelliott2498]

thats hilarious seriously thanks

[@HelenaVanCity]

Wow! I knew people were dumb, I just didn't realize how exactly dumb they were. Thanks for enlightening me, asshole, and the 109 morons who "liked" your meaningless shit of a comment.

[@suzannenichols6900]

You know if people really want to stop men from killing their wives they ought to stop giving them such light sentences for doing so. These sentences for MURDER are ridiculous.

[@vanessamartinez9110]

I agree with you

[@IanP1963]

The Wignall case smells just like the Helen Bailey murder, somebody finding love just after the death of a long standing partner, then being killed by the person they thought was their saviour and future happiness. Very tragic !!!!

[@Jolenesmart1980]

Ah yeah poor Helen and her dog too 😩😢😭🥺

[@ewechoober3355]

must have been an insurance policy involved. The daughter Debbie had the most beautiful blue eyes. I was hoping someone with such clear eyes wasn't the murderer.

[@IanP1963]

@@ewechoober3355 Who ?

[@This_handle_is_tak3n]

6 years, 8years for murdering your wife, your girlfriend? Does that court treat murder as a minor inconvenience.

[@blueeyes6852]

They just hate doing paperwork!

[@balisandra94]

Yeah, absolutely mind blowing

[@Girl-101]

Can’t believe that Linda’s dad killed her, I was, at first, certain it was her boyfriend and especially as he was so emotionless at the appeal, it just shows you!

[@maryharvey6909]

I don’t know if it’s a law in England or the reporter was just very professional, but I liked that he said he asked the policeman if it’s OK to ask pointed questions before the press conference.

[@mykingofkings646]

vickers says "whoever does something to a child "has" got to be sick not "is" sick like most innocent people would say, also he said "if the person has any respect then he would leave "the" child come home" he didn't say let Jamie come home extreme distancing language used, what that monster done to the poor family was disgusting.

[@coraynbell8991]

Problem is in the UK, life normally only means 15 years. Life should mean life!

[@scratchy1704]

Yep that's why criminals from all countries come here because of the silly law over here.Anyone can enter Britain

[@ellis7622]

Mp Cops lol way to not address what he said. that’s called “whataboutism”.

[@lorizen3482]

what a joke, he was jailed only for 6 years. He got away with the murder because 6 years are peanuts for such a horrific crime.

[@tradeladder146]

They had no Body FFS, wake up thats why 6 years.

[@christineaygin4330]

We had a milkman who was overly friendly with the neighborhood children. I got the invitation to “drive “ the milkfloat. He pressed into back of me as he was helping me steer. I felt So uncomfortable as soon as I saw my Mum I told her, she said NEVER go near again. This was the 60’s when people were not so aware, perhaps he was reported I don’t know

[@janthomson7697]

He had an ulterior motive.

[@Zictor]

Thank you for sorting the audio! Its so annoying wearing headphones and hearing everything on one side!

[@callycat6660]

Its amazing how these murderers can blatantly lie when interviewed by the press ...

[@tapsars7911]

The cases that shocked me the most are the ones of daughters being murdered by their fathers / families . Truly horrifying !!

[@clairelally3644]

I think any parent killing a child is shocking. The sex of the victim is irrelevant.

[@zombiechicken7114]

Linda's brothers stu's eyes during the appeal are clearly calling into question his fathers behaviour. He knew how Derek really was.

[@laylah150]

he seemed so shifty. and his eyes were darting all about the room. I thought he might have had something to do with it

[@AnyoneCanSee]

The case of the father should be shown to those that try and say how people should act in grief. I often see people saying someone isn't crying and must be guilty etc. I remember when I heard my mother had died, not crying or reacting emotionally. It was several weeks later that I cried a great deal alone and to myself. We all act differently to grief. People need to stop acting like they have some sort of special inside into human nature.

[@lalmgh]

My son died . the first two weeks I was in shock and denial I, I did not believe it had happened. Even though I had sat with his dead body , I did not cry. I was struck numb in my soul. I had the funeral to aarange , dealing wirh Funeral Home coroner en a lot of things to take care of. Day after the funeral I started crying nonstop and I really lost my mind and could not stop crying for months, now it has been 18 months since he died, half of me still believes that maybe he is not dead , it was only just a very bad dream . Sometines when I drive I see someone walking on the side of the road that looks like my son and I have a little piece of me thinks maybe he is still alive and that all has been a huge mistake.

[@blackclouds909]

I'm so sorry. 💜💜💜

[@sparker3090]

omg, how wicked & evil can a person be....that's chilling... to the Spooners, cannot imagine what you have gone through, I am so very sorry for your loss and his absolutely horrific end. Your story has me in tears, my heart breaks for you all. God bless ..RIP to your darling boy Jamie..xx..

[@lucyllewellyn2850]

the bus driver man acts just like ian huntly a slime ball trying 2 save his skin.

[@eilissmith8591]

Yeah he was trying to deflect guilt by acting like a hero, what a waste of good human organs.

[@IwasBlueb4]

mother is strange too

[@Jolenesmart1980]

@@IwasBlueb4 I always thought the mother might’ve had a fling with him but no way would she want to admit that now even to herself

[@kevinbernard9791]

6 years ? You kidding me 6 POXY YEARS ... and the lodger knew exactly what he was going to do .. this is absolutely disgusting JUSTICE

[@tanjacavalli885]

Well, I guess Justice really sets quite an example by punishing cold blooded murder with…6 years….

[@dcs002]

+Michael Stanley I want to live in a place where protecting the public comes before vengeance.

[@gunslingr45]

+Tanja Cavalli "Life" must mean 20 years then you reckon?

[@donnafassano163]

I need to win a trip over there for me and my ex husband. Maybe his mistress too ...

[@robyns.331]

In Norway we gave mass murderers of 77 people and 300+ injured 21 years in prison. (Anders Breivik) The prisons are like private holiday resorts and you can pretty much ask for stuff like a ps4 and they'll let you have it. Also, rapists and sexual abusers have their own island village as a prison, no gates or fences in sight, and you get your own lodge all to yourself lol

[@dcs002]

Yukilumamoon- I have a different perspective on Norway's system. The goal of Norway's corrections system is to treat people in a way that will make them into decent people when they are released. American prisons are miserable, violent, torture facilities that have become indoctrination centers for career criminals. People are so messed up when they are released that have very little hope of being "corrected" or "rehabilitated". I don't care what the prisoner deserves. I care about the outcomes, and I think Norway has a record of good outcomes. They have one of the lowest murder rates in the world, right? If it works, it works. The rest is just retribution, and that helps no one.

[@garymarshall3212]

The law system in the UK is a total piss take, the victims and their families have had no justice

[@zerlom]

Same in the Netherlands.

[@aminatatraore2653]

@@zerlom it’s worst in France

[@zerlom]

@@aminatatraore2653 I'm so sorry! Please hold on! ❤

[@jacobjay2892]

I live in th UK for last 20 years and I strongly agree. You can get away with anything in exchange for few years in prison. It leads to the situation that someone can kill your close one and in few years will laugh in your face on the street. Lack of capital punishment is smack in the victim's family face. I do understand that there is a lot of confusion about death penalty but this is basic justice. It was used by mankind for thousands years. The best seems to be biblical interpretation. You can only sentence someone to death by having two witnesses and lying witnesses are subject of the same punishment, death. If you are lying trying to push innocent person before execution squad, you deserve the same because effectively you are trying to murder this person. There is a lot of unclear situations where we are not sure and those cases should not be punished with capital punishment until there 101% proof of guilt. On the other side you have a very clear cases, victim's blood on hands of the murderer shouting loudly. In those cases it should be capital punishment. Recently a father in Russia killed his colleague caught red handed raping his daughter and he walked free. It was treated as necessary defence. I think that every father would do it. I cannot imagine this happening in the UK. You can land in jail for self defence and pay compensation to the offender. Sick world. Law gives you right to live and protect yours and family lives but takes away necessary tools to do so.

[@LOL-jd6un]

When he talks about the kids asking for their mum is absolutely heartbreaking.

[@starlingswallow]

Bobs daughters have the most _beautiful_ eyes! ♥️💕 I hate that they lost their father 😞😞😞

[@dinacox1971]

So little boy is on that bus for at least 6 hours and the parents don't miss him until it gets dark!!! Amazing!

[@briannepenney261]

That bus driver tho.... the sheer audacity!

[@Jolenesmart1980]

Yup I always thought the mum had an affair with him tbh

[@dianneohara1678]

Video quality is excellent....thanks very much for this.

[@MarceloRomero360]

My guess is the girlfriend wound up testifying against Kay in exchange for immunity.

[@RB-pq9ld]

16:10 the person in the backgrlund outside the Richard and Judy studio waving to get themselves on TV 😂

[@markokada7311]

I've been studying English for over a decade but have never come across this expression, Crocodile Tears, which means Tears of Sorrow that is insincere or simply LIE until I watched this crime doc..!!!. Even my teacher is unaware of it!!!. Among Japanese, Chinese & Korean I've studied, I find English the most difficult & complex but prodigiously intriguing language. And one of the reasons for that is arguably on account of the great disparity in cultures & the way of thinking?. English is not that tough one to learn for Europeans but they will have a heck of hard time in acquiring Japanese & Chinese!?,,Am I right?,,,,,Thanks to it, I now know what it means.,,,,From Tokyo,,,,(10/07/22)

[@Vindsus86]

Greetings from Sweden. A cousin of mine learned Chinese. I'd probably struggle to learn any of these languages though. Expressions equivalent to "crocodile tears" in other languages are probably difficult to learn because at least some of them are expressions that you grow up with, and they make sense because you grew up with them. For example, in Swedish "ropa inte 'hej' förrän du kommit över bäcken" ("don't shout 'hey' until you made it over the creek' or something) means that you shouldn't celebrate something prematurely. I don't know the origins of the expression, but I grew up with it, so it makes sense to me. If I told someone from an English-speaking country that they shouldn't shout "hey" before they made it over the creek, I doubt that it would make much sense to them. Things like that feel like the most difficult thing to learn when learning a new language, maybe.

[@markokada7311]

@@Vindsus86 Thanks for sharing your thought w/ me all the way from Sweden! It would seem to take for eons to master English language. Incidentally, my native tongue is Japanese, & so learning Chinese is not as difficult as English to me!).,,,,You have a great day however you spend your day & stay healthy for good in Sweden. Bye, Sayonara,,,,(06/13/24)

[@brendajerez2235]

Thank you very much for the upload!

[@k.jlmfharrington3437]

Poor little Jamie 😭❤️💔

[@two-toned9645]

Eight years for murder and mutilation of a corpse? In the States he would have gotten life without parole.

[@morganpettipas9198]

In Canada "life" is 25 years max it pisses me off. Not saying it happened in Canada but

[@alukuhito]

Yeah right. What makes you think that? The US is chock full of injustice.

[@two-toned9645]

@@alukuhito I say that because most states have a minimum of 25 years to life, or life without parole. Aggravating factors can hand down the death penalty. I don't know if mutilation of a corpse is an aggravating factor. What's your point anyway?

[@alukuhito]

@@two-toned9645 My point is that you're wrong. Derp. There are tons of light sentences in the USA. What an idiot you must be to think otherwise. Ever heard of OJ Simpson before? What about a college student rapist set free because if he went to jail it would ruin his potential? There are tons of examples.

[@two-toned9645]

@@alukuhito just because your hiding behind a keyboard doesn't mean you gotta be an asshole. Yes, your absolutely right. I'm just talking about the majority of the cases. I'm done here, have a nice day.

[@monicanath4859]

This is heartbreaking. My father has just passed away but spent a large portion of his life torturing and bashing me, for which the police arrested me twice. My father was accomplice to my brother who kicked me down the stairs, making me permanently disabled. To date the police have done nothing to protect me.

[@monicanath4859]

@@kevinbernard9791 I am so sorry that you condone domestic abuse. I really feel very sorry for you. May God help you.

[@monicanath4859]

Thank you to KZbin for removing this vile comment and making me feel safe again, here.

[@Jimmybarth]

There are good men in this world, but women see them as weak and ignore them, they prefer to be with the criminals and bad guys that hurt them. It's sad but it is hard wired in female nature.

[@fionagregory7040]

@@monicanath4859 god does not even exist do he will not do a thing.

[@fionagregory7040]

@@Jimmybarth who hurt you then diddums?

[@ruthieo54]

I hope the murdered souls can Rest In Peace and their families too. Very sad, very sickening to watch this.

[@SNP-1999]

I saw an interesting Australian video lately on the subject of "crocodile tear" murderers. An ex- FBI profiler reviewing the cases said that truly innocent people, those who are honestly grieving for a lost or missing loved one, are just too inconsolable to want to go on TV to do an appeal. It is the ones who crave going on TV that you have to watch. The guilty ones want to see themselves on TV, to see if their story sounds authentic, if their appeals seem honest and true. The guilty suspects will do anything to get on TV - it is part of their mindset to see if the media and the public have bought their story and have been convinced of their innocence. They also crave their ten minutes of fame !. Truly innocent people couldn't care less at that moment what anybody thinks, they are too wound up in grief and remorse, is what the profiler said. He further stated that a guilty person will often rub their eyes with the back of their hands, thereby concealing that they have no tears, or cover their face with their hands, acting as if sobbing their hearts out - in truth they are just laughing at the stupidity of the police and the public. How often have we actually witnessed these sick individuals in action ? They shed crocodile tears telling their loved one (the person who they have murdered !) to come home, or just to tell somebody that they are okay ! Those who make a media circus out of a tragedy are the ones who you should really have your sights on. They have often not only murdered the missing person, they want to get famous at the same time - the "Look at me, I am the true victim here !" kind of appeal for our sympathy and support (preferably financial !) drooling off their lying lips ! (Poor little Maddie's case comes immediately to mind, without implying anything of course, how could you think that of me - or them - or both ?). Interesting stuff to watch out for in the future the next time we see somebody come on TV making a heartbreaking appeal for our help - and our money - in finding a "beloved" person who has gone missing under mysterious circumstances. They could well be the actual murderers. P.S. There are always exceptions to the rule. Profiling works mainly on generalisation, working from statistics and at times may be wrong in their conclusion, having missed an important factor or some facts unknown to the police until much later. Being mainly right opposed to not often being totally wrong is the strength and value of good profiling in police work.

[@martmarriner6793]

Cool, crocodile tears can be heard dripping to the floor through both speakers now!! Life-changing.

[@markokada7311]

The detective Trevor Davis deserves a huge pat on the back for a job well done, for he did solve that 7 yr cold-case. If it were not for him, it might have remained as a cold-case possibly for good!? My highest kudos to the detective Davis.,,,,, (02/10/23)

[@blacklivesmatter4918]

The fact that he was involved with the family to that degree is disgusting!!! He destroyed that family from the inside out! I am in shock that he got away with so much!

[@southernbelladonna78]

That first story was so chilling. I mean how the Hell did he kill his poor wife if they are speaking about DNA possibly being found all over the walls and having to Hoover for bloody hours? Jesus it was terrible. And then they are pissed at the sister like she doesn't have the right to be upset about her murdered loved one. Fuck.

[@CARIBNATURALS]

Why was a child so young allowed to roam like that...Predators will always know the children who have responsible guardians....If you allow them to roam like stay dogs then this is the type of sad ending that will SOMETIMES happen.

[@jonnllonnle7692]

your comments was a carbon copy of what I was going to write....Yes, absolutely! Why oh why do some parents allow children to roam the streets. Very sad all round

[@S.Hitchcock]

Your right mate, my kids don't get to go out without me or my wife sitting on the front step watching them. And yet their is young ones hanging around the local shops on a night, pitch black outside, very frightening to think their parents are OK with this, probly in the house drinking and smoking dope.

[@naturegirl6701]

Debbie Mason Unfortunately,there are some families in the UK,who from a young age,allow their children to do whatever they please,from staying out late in parks to hanging around on streets,to riding on buses and trains..And it really is a tradedy waiting to happen...

[@savannaking9833]

I have to agree..I have 3kids.my youngest is 16..and I still don't let her "do whatever".I have to know at all times where u r ,what ur doing,& who with? of course,i drive my kids crazy,they think I watch too many cold cases..I prolly do but it's a scary world ,that's reality.

[@billfeld5883]

I love how the body language experts are always right after the fact, Monday morning quarterback ,they have never convicted anyone because an expert stood up and said he/she is lying on the day of the lie, even I can say oh I knew they were lying.

[@AVSgirl1985]

@Bill Feld check out The Behavior Panel ... body language experts who do an excellent analysis and breakdown of many different people's interviews..and a couple times they called it out BEFORE any arrest was made that a particular person was guilty... ...and shortly after that person would actually be arrested. There are 4 of them and each have very impressive backgrounds, like an army interrogater of many years and so on...

[@MrsLevinson175]

His face says it all when that journo asks if he killed his wife. Pure rage.

[@pauljordan4452]

Not so easy with autism to decipher that.

[@janthomson7697]

I always believed Sion Jenkins made a pass at Billie Jo and she pushed him away. He lost control.

[@starlingswallow]

I agree. His wife during the press conference looks like a skittish, guilty mouse of a woman. She looks like she's been abused 😡

[@geoffreystuttle8080]

41:39 Whoa! No wonder the bus driver felt right at home! reminds me of years ago when I had to sit on a leather couch and make conversation with some freak while waiting for him to weigh out the drugs.

[@loriepaix6391]

So, the sentence for killing your significant other is 6 - 8 years IF you get caught. Yeah, that seems fair.

[@wisequeens]

the sentences in every case are riduclous!!

[@karimmelikian934]

i don't really see how as many of them get life sentences. fair enough, doesn't mean life sentence in the way that the u.s. does, but it's still a long time

[@paulawilliams8168]

Ikr, absolute fucking joke. So angry.

[@elistae5536]

You can tell who is from the US. They want blood. They want revenge. They think that people ought to get six months for running a red. It's big business in the US. Never in the history of mankind has such a huge portion of any country been incarcerated as they are in the US. What's the end game? Why? Again, blood, revenge. They think it makes them safer. Ironic.

[@xenazon9731]

Well, not ALL of us. Frankly, I'm so tired of hearing calls for vengeance from my fellow citizens. We have the most draconian sentences here in the US. There are MANY Americans who think juveniles should be executed. We routinely execute the insane. Americans don't get it that without mercy there is no justice whatsoever. This isn't the US I grew up in. It just keeps getting worse and worse.

[@mindrolling24]

I love your attitude: so refreshing to see in an American right now! There are some truly awful people who commit unforgivable and horrific crimes but there have been many instances of innocent people (and the insane) being executed that it's not worth the risk of it ever happening again. Make prison awful for people who commit terrible crimes: shut down the commissary, make it no smoking, stop drugs getting in and make the prisoners WORK. Too many of them end up overweight and obese and they don't deserve to be able to just sit around and eat.

[@jameskirks170]

Those Brits are too polite to give anyone decent jail time

[@fishbonesinc]

Yeah that's how it works. Also did you know that if you walk off a cliff you don't fall unless you look down?

[@Jolenesmart1980]

@@fishbonesinc 🤣🤣👍

[@shubhisharma4261]

@@fishbonesinc 🤣🤣🤣

[@fionagregory7040]

We are brought up with good manners.

[@jaijai5250]

@james kinks, they’re not polite to everyone, I can assure you.

[@TheProHunting]

Thank you for providing the sound...

[@diannesouthport3896]

omg I bet the police had a party the night the bugged phone call happened!!........hahaha oh my water!

[@thanviriqbal737]

Lol

[@Jolenesmart1980]

I know some people are so thick or dumb as they say in the usa

[@johnoneill7947]

We need Joy We need Peace 🙏

[@womanhood9563]

6-7 years for murder one jail for life ppl get longer prison sentence for having drugs on them

[@Jimmybarth]

10 years now for a mistake on a covid travel form

[@mandyadler4536]

If you look at his body language, you'll see him nod when asked if he'd killed her.

[@mrmoralman1]

at 35:45 - Such a pretty child that looks so happy! What a waste of life

[@riverstone9005]

In the USA that first guy would have gotten a life sentence at least!

[@mrs.schmenkman]

Watch Fleming’s interview closely and you can catch his micro-expression that reveals duping. Any decent detective would catch that instantly.

[@lulu-iz7bv]

I can't watch these UK videos any more. The sentences for murder are laughable.

[@maureeningleston1501]

Ur right, serial killer around the world should come to the UK to commit their crimes, they'd probably just have to pay a fine.

[@fionagregory7040]

Well no one is forcing you.

[@fayemeek9426]

This was nearly 20 years ago, thats how its was then, its not much better now mind

[@lesleythornton1811]

The issue I have with UK sentencing is that sentencing is usually too lenient. I don't agree with the Death Penalty, but I think some people feel it should be reinstated as they feel that life sentences should be longer. It seems to go to from the ridiculous to the sublime. I think we should have 2st and 2and degree murder rather than Murder and manslaughter

[@tradeladder146]

Not all 35 years without Parole is common now, also whole Life Terms are given, the Murders in this Video are old.

[@biglwutang84]

I've watched this about 10 times. Its fascinating. It's also incredibly nostalgic as morbid as that may sound.

[@soiledskin]

Very well said, equally tragic and nostalgic.

[@gushutchinson8758]

They all have that Matt Handcock vibe in common