I give you permission to go for 400kW Marty. Also respect to Scotty for praising the tuning effort of the previous tuner.
@Jonjims15325 жыл бұрын
Yes. So many tuners are so quick to shit on every other tuner.
@rokero1715 жыл бұрын
Not only praising the other tuner, but the other ECU as well, such a nice guy.
@ItzFitzyFitz5 жыл бұрын
2.4L
@boostedone13675 жыл бұрын
Kindness lasts forever
@gtrlife29415 жыл бұрын
Hit up Jimmy @ evolution racing spares
@NathanJones-lz9gh5 жыл бұрын
Guys you are SO CLOSE to 3 million subscribers! And you truly deserve every single one. The effort, time, money, work, blood, sweat, soy sauce, love, and whatever Cheryl adds to mix, really makes this the best car channel I have ever seen.
@NathanJones-lz9gh5 жыл бұрын
MCM liked my comment!!!! This is a good day.
@markm00005 жыл бұрын
Nathan Jones and they never sold out. Just incredible raw effort and perseverance.
@Hebdomad75 жыл бұрын
3 down 97 to go! Let's go MCM!
@costabraaapa79945 жыл бұрын
A- effin- MENN!!
@BarryMahcockiner5 жыл бұрын
I legitimately can't understand how they're not 10mil+
@mawe425 жыл бұрын
Love it when Scotty is on, he's such a likeable dude!
@sebastiend.53355 жыл бұрын
He is the best! Friendly giant.
@BanzaiYaris5 жыл бұрын
I want to see 400kw in the Evo then slowly upping the Golf power to see how many KW it needs to be faster than the Evo. Old vs New!
@lucasrustt5 жыл бұрын
oh damn that's a good idea
@fukkinkana5 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see 400kw evo vs 400kw golf. Because they're very different cars in terms of how they work. The golf is a bit of a dark horse. It's not really supposed to be as good as an evo, but it has a bunch of things going for it that can bridge the gap. Modern technology, dsg, but it's a haldex. Where the evo has a center diff and ayc. I think the dsg will alone would put the golf ahead of the evo.
@BanzaiYaris5 жыл бұрын
@@fukkinkana that's why 400vs400 would be boring. Everyone knows the golf would win. Especially in the dry. Question is, how many kw does it need to be faster
@jdubayou94985 жыл бұрын
The golf is a beast when tinkered with
@fukkinkana5 жыл бұрын
@@BanzaiYaris ok. We know the golf would win, but by how much. Where does it succeed and where does it fall behind? 400vs400 would be more of a testiment to how far technology has actually come within the last 10 years. Like the dsg has pretty much proven itself already so that kinda takes away from what i wanted to see, but i want power to not be a factor in this comparison. I wanna know if the 10 year difference really means anything. Because you'll (we the consumers) find a way to make power no matter what you drive. But the chassis development, suspension geometry (we can change components and stiffen our suspension, even widen our base, but we can't really redesign it on our own) , electronic controls, whatever other new innovations cars have, isn't really something that we average joes have control over you know what i mean.
@NuggetGarage5 жыл бұрын
Yes, Needs #400KW? Moog in the back seat like KZbin comments....
@liamcooper52025 жыл бұрын
#1000kw? Go hard or go home
@c0rse5 жыл бұрын
Maahh..
@NSPOOL5 жыл бұрын
400+ KW Evo 400+ KW Golf R See which ones makes the power for less money See which one wins more races off the dyno
@chrisoh66275 жыл бұрын
Five hundred kw 2.2L
@1one3_Racing5 жыл бұрын
And when are you guys going to crack 250?
@BkSMedia5 жыл бұрын
New intro only means one thing. NEW SEASON! #450KW?
@Seiferisthebest5 жыл бұрын
And the beginning of the new song makes me think a bit to smog from the dug dugs
@kevinvines18465 жыл бұрын
I love the videos with Scotty. His calm and sensible tech talk always seems to keep you guys in check...until you brought in the 9 and mentioned 400kw. Gonna be epic
@alfonsoalonzo5 жыл бұрын
Exactly ut seems like they may have to hold him back this time lol
@SiMBol105 жыл бұрын
400kW sounds expensive and a little overkill. So absolutely go for it!
@alexcorona5 жыл бұрын
360WHP....."why does it feel slow then?"- Marty 😂
@K4rt80y5 жыл бұрын
Red painted calipers add 25kw.
@bobroberts23715 жыл бұрын
The shape of the power curve matters, if all of the power is in a narrow RPM band, the car will need many gears / shifting to keep the engine making power. This kind of engine is a real pain to drive on the street. Peak numbers are about useless on the street.
@mrcaboosevg60895 жыл бұрын
He has a point, i've been in powerful cars that feel like shit
@nepaleseman10105 жыл бұрын
360 WHP on a Evo IX should equate to roughly 440bhp flywheel. However far technology has come on this Evo with this power, should destroy the Golf R. Does not make sense, unless this Evo has 360 bhp flywheel then it would make more sense.
@kd40005 жыл бұрын
@@nepaleseman1010 makes sense because the Golf has a much flatter torque curve, peak power means nothing in terms of driveability
@funkstrong5 жыл бұрын
You can tell Tuning Fork instantly loved this thing.
@alfonsoalonzo5 жыл бұрын
Probably because its the nicest "old" car they've brought him lol
@jonsmith99815 жыл бұрын
I like how he recognised and complimented the general quality of the vehicle and was very clear the tune was done by someone who is an excellent tuner.
@alfonsoalonzo5 жыл бұрын
*chuckling * I think we need to start talking about the excuses on the race track LMAO cant believe he went there
@Kevhoe5 жыл бұрын
Marty is a subpar driver at best, just being honest. The video of his Evo 10 vs. Moog’s WRX featured some very subpar driving as well.
@alfonsoalonzo5 жыл бұрын
@@Kevhoe like they both say quite a bit there not professionals lol but they have some experience with cars in general and ill chalk up some of the battle him not being familiar with the car yet and the the technological gap between the cars
@BrodeyDoverosx5 жыл бұрын
Hard to say about driving without being there and feeling what the car wants to do. I tend to agree with you and I’ve podiumed at Canadian nationals twice so I’m not talking out of my ass.
@alfonsoalonzo5 жыл бұрын
@@BrodeyDoverosx totally get it each car is different and handles accordingly but i was just laughing at the tuning fork's jab at his lack of excuses to really lose lol
@soloq66905 жыл бұрын
I mean some of the lines he took during the track battle were really bad
@Skwisgar23225 жыл бұрын
"Today on MCM, Moog just bought a new bicycle and we're gonna put a Haltech Elite on it!"
@axelbostrom36065 жыл бұрын
Put an elite in the tofu
@Askarissupercars5 жыл бұрын
Absolutely loved the dynamic between everyone just chilling in the car talking things over. And I loved how everyone was truly excited by the outcome of the dyno test and the prospect of the where it is heading. Fantastic video guys
@wolfwarren63765 жыл бұрын
Askarissupercars I kinda wish they’d have a show on MCM2 maybe where they just have either Scotty or Benny (or both!) in the car and talking cars while on a drive. Kinda like when they had Miles in the back of the Mini after that was done.
@lintonhart98145 жыл бұрын
Such an authentic interaction between the guys it’s a great episode 👍
@lee1978good5 жыл бұрын
#500kw Scotty's already done 400. Give it a crack!
@nottodaybuddy3705 жыл бұрын
There are EVO's out there on E85 with 720whp/540wkw, so it's possible. Will Marty do it and then take on Benny's Barra? Only time will tell, yet I bloody well hope that for once, just once, MCM go full send mode!
@wobblysauce5 жыл бұрын
@@nottodaybuddy370 Only spending some coin...
@lee1978good5 жыл бұрын
@@nottodaybuddy370 I hope so too! 😎
@liamcooper52025 жыл бұрын
#1000kw. Go hard or go home
@lee1978good5 жыл бұрын
@@liamcooper5202 hahaha I don't think MCM is willing to go that far. 500kw is just above what Marty wants though so they might be able to coax a bit more out of it 😎
@BigKazPL5 жыл бұрын
I like the Golf but the Blue on the Evo is stunning. BEAUTY
@IPpQI5 жыл бұрын
You will need #420kW if you really want to smoke him!
@Kimulstein5 жыл бұрын
Haha! I see what u did there ;)
@kenvanpassen92475 жыл бұрын
Don't think those 2 follow the #420Lifestyle.... but funny nonetheless :)
@fredderf5515 жыл бұрын
@@kenvanpassen9247 Moog smokes pot. His been stoned in countless episodes.
@danielchirvasuta60815 жыл бұрын
@@fredderf551 oh God Ive never noticed... I so want this to be true hahahaha
@kenvanpassen92475 жыл бұрын
@@fredderf551 Huh... Never noticed...Nice :)
@Benza18695 жыл бұрын
*first dyno pulls reads 269kw* “Why’s it feel slow then” Dead 😂
@bobroberts23715 жыл бұрын
Shape ofpower curve matters. An engine with a wide power band but less HP can out run an engine with high numbers over a very small RPM range.
@haimmynz19035 жыл бұрын
I hear by give you permission for #400kW! with anti-lag and flames
@1one3_Racing5 жыл бұрын
Scott looks under the bonnet and says "I see a cool air intake. It's got a nos fogger system and a T4 turbo, Dom. I see an AIC controller. It has direct port nitrous injection. Should make 250+"
@donthitmeimwoozy5 жыл бұрын
And a standalone fool maneegment sistem... Not a bad way to make shit investments.
@pauloluna66395 жыл бұрын
damn this guy knows a lot of jessy said in fast and furious
@DJStrangeAl5 жыл бұрын
He's a LEGEND
@UncleScoob5 жыл бұрын
Way to be a toolbag, go back to Facebook with that shit
@StavTech5 жыл бұрын
You got me at 'rally anti-lag'. Looking forward to this.
@Renee_R3435 жыл бұрын
Yas, I'm more excited for the anti-lag than the 400Kw, which I ofcourse approve aswell.
@funnycar19895 жыл бұрын
You are not the only one :)
@CharlieDB965 жыл бұрын
+
@mikeswanson65435 жыл бұрын
Yeah, you guys should do #270 kw and do rally inspired builds like antilag, close ratios maybe, play with diffs, adjustable height, awesome mudflaps and underbody skid protection then do rally cross test. More acceleration and handling rather than max power etc etc would it be more fun? After all, the possible lack of cam sensor tells you how down low power and acceleration can affect things even if the peak power is there.
@mikeswanson65435 жыл бұрын
#HowmuchrallycanyouDD
@moldingpro72085 жыл бұрын
The rubber hand in the handshake has me cracking up and I can't get it out of my head! Thanks!
@ReviveAndDrive-mk15 жыл бұрын
Haha same 😂
@styleroid225 жыл бұрын
Had to rewind it back several times to triple check I actually saw what I saw🤣🤣
@countrylife59525 жыл бұрын
I kept wondering why it zooms in on the handshakes
@TheActualCaveman5 жыл бұрын
Holy shit i laughed so hard at that handshake bit!
@scungeworm5 жыл бұрын
Cheeky Russell Coight reference haha
@Sayntavian5 жыл бұрын
That's like some classic Russell Coight right there
@aussieguy10125 жыл бұрын
Ahhh I was wondering what that reference was. I lost my shit haha.
@TonysTechAndCars5 жыл бұрын
You have poor humor
@martinkadlec60705 жыл бұрын
Moog is basically KZbin comments in nutshell. Anti-lag, please do it. #400kw?
@tammurney30535 жыл бұрын
#400kw +1
@JainZar15 жыл бұрын
Ohhh yes, 400kw /w Anti-lag and a sequential gearbox. Would be awesome!
@rimmersbryggeri5 жыл бұрын
@@JainZar1 Why not a dual clutch mitsubishi one liek the ones they used to put in the outlanders? LOL
@BigBoyLies5 жыл бұрын
pretty sure ALS is illegal in Au
@pavelhk795 жыл бұрын
Moog is on coke :D a pretty clean batch tho :D
@Yesidoplaytheguitar5 жыл бұрын
Scotty is such a great guy. Gets 2 jokers in with a different brand of ECU, let's them on the dyno, and even congratulates the original tuner! What a legend!
@splodge20055 жыл бұрын
I sit here in the UK and wait patiently for every new episode. I love the fact that you've slowly worked your way up to the real Evo. Moog is spot on with the tech V power statement. Quiet exhaust, stealth fit big block and go for #400kw plus some more. Keep up the good work, oh and how about a world tour??
@abhidyudimitrov80125 жыл бұрын
jonathan schofield Y. E. S.
@bostedtap83995 жыл бұрын
Like the new intro guys. Great content and video. Thanks for sharing and best regards from the UK.
@alexanderblake57805 жыл бұрын
New intro is MAAAAD
@Zeik755 жыл бұрын
The new intro prompted me to like this video.
@filipprucnal5 жыл бұрын
Scotty sounds very excited about this one! Can't wait to see what this turns into #400kwquestionmark
@STAG1625 жыл бұрын
intro looks quality guys, great work =)
@TripleJ855 жыл бұрын
A handshake Russell Coight would be proud of
@TG222225 жыл бұрын
Really wish they would've used a genuine Russel Coight handshake
@SharpTurnStudios5 жыл бұрын
That handshake clip @3:06 will be seared into my heart and my mind for decades to come.
@Alex-dz2et5 жыл бұрын
haha 17:32 onwards Moog is lost in thought about trackracing supergramps with tooevo. I recognise that face of faux interest in the discussion - i do it myself in meetings. lol
@freikinpoptarts5 жыл бұрын
"im bored. I wish I was in my golf. my legs hurt. super gramps would get demolished. marty should sell it and get a nissan"
@MasterSyke5 жыл бұрын
2.2L 4G would be an awesome build, big $$$ though. would love to see AL get in on it as well for the banter.
@HHCHunterYTC5 жыл бұрын
@MightyCarMods Pls Get Al & Woody in to build a 2.4 Stroker 4G64 with EVO 9 Mivec Head
@thedarkgreenvanman5 жыл бұрын
Scotty is such a boss, you can tell he really really knows his stuff
@RenchRanch5 жыл бұрын
#450kw!!! Gotta get Scotty to push his Evo skills! 2.4L
@jackw35085 жыл бұрын
Awesome new intro, love how you keep the original feel every update!
@TheTechGiantYouTube5 жыл бұрын
What i love about Evo's is that they look fast when they are stood still !
@aaronbehiels22325 жыл бұрын
😂 “270 at the wheels! Why does it feel slow then “ 😂 love your vids boys always been a big fan! Inspired me to start my own channel!
@tharealsmurf25375 жыл бұрын
Loving that All Aussie Adventures ref at 3:06 haha
@TheVeyron6235 жыл бұрын
Same XD
@Beijzer5 жыл бұрын
Brilliance
@WHITEMUTTZ15 жыл бұрын
Yo had to pause it, that new intro is sick! Love the colour scheme and the length is great!! Haven't gone away with the OG little electronic voice at the end!! Legends!
@pauljohnson73825 жыл бұрын
Tuning Fork!...The Gentle Giant of Dyno Tuning Goodness! ✌👌
@trentadams46795 жыл бұрын
I'm a massive Scotty fan.. such a geek in a tower of a body
@andy10565 жыл бұрын
He is the Wizard of Oz.
@pauljohnson73825 жыл бұрын
@@andy1056- Perfect! Great call!
@Wyd45 жыл бұрын
HAHAH buys 270kw daily. Upgrades it to 400kw weekender Buys new Daily! :D:D
@damstachizz5 жыл бұрын
Then sell the weekender because it's costing too much money now that it keeps breaking, and do it all again a few months later The cycle of mod life
@brunoraoni5 жыл бұрын
@@damstachizz Buys daily, mods the daily, buys new daily, gets bored or find new modded car too expensive, sells it, gets bored with daily, starts to mod daily again... and soo the cycle continous.
@szczerzo5 жыл бұрын
Rinse and repeat until you make a daily nugget that make 1000kW
@AliErfurt5 жыл бұрын
Scotty is such a nice, calm and polite guy. its always awesome to see him.
@mattnorman99305 жыл бұрын
Great video guys. I laugh because there is so much internet disapproval for the Golf R and the RS3 platform yet none of these people have actually driven or been in one before. They are so surprisingly capable and genuinely fast. Just because some older Jap cars quote to have big ATW Kw numbers doesn't necessarily mean it can beat say a RS3 or golf R. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said it could come down to just technology. The Lauch control fuction these cars have are just incredible especially paired with a DSG. Keep up the good work! Keen to see this Evo build.
@Kevhoe5 жыл бұрын
The DSG is THE thing that gave Moog such a big advantage. He was out-braking and killing Marty at corner exit, all made possible by the DSG. The difficulty of hard braking in a manual transmission car with proper rev-match downshifting is a very overlooked skill.
@xanevans44725 жыл бұрын
Should swap cars to eliminate them driver issues. Marty the in Golf R, Moog in the Evo .
@nicoxis5 жыл бұрын
pro drivers on both
@gbr84635 жыл бұрын
If they gonna send it for real, otherwise waste of internet...
@TheCloudhopper5 жыл бұрын
Tuning Fork next to Moog always looks like Gandalf standing next to Frodo :-D
@zogworth5 жыл бұрын
And M&M are tall as it is.
@kiyoponnn5 жыл бұрын
@@zogworth How tall are they?
@zogworth5 жыл бұрын
@@kiyoponnn they've said previously like 6'2" Which is not like giant but is pretty tall. kzbin.info/www/bejne/naHFhaKkjriBmLM&t=350
@shawnf_ltd99375 жыл бұрын
I stop what I was doing and clicked hella fast ,to watch two of my favorite KZbinrs ,great video guys ..
@eumoria5 жыл бұрын
I love the Irongav cameo at 0:27. Another amazing intro by that dude. What a champion.
@aamirsuhail23615 жыл бұрын
Hands down one of the best car videos out there. One of the best I've seen in a long time and especially from MCM. Doesn't matter what the car puts out or will put out in the future. 3 blokes just going on endlessly about this stuff is classic material. Cheers guys!
@Numbang5 жыл бұрын
love the Russell Coight Hand Shack lol good job guys.
@Channel_605 жыл бұрын
It's all in that DSG.
@davespooney84725 жыл бұрын
Nickk IRL - and 10+ years of turbo/timing/compression tech.
@polyscient5 жыл бұрын
Some are asking in the comments whether Moog's car has DSG (dual clutch Direct Shift Gearbox). It does. At 7;50 in the Evo vs Golf video you can see the paddle shifters. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZ7Fd35of6iNerc
@andydoogz5 жыл бұрын
100% bang on the money mate!
@tigamilla25945 жыл бұрын
And the great torque curve of the golf
@Channel_605 жыл бұрын
@@tigamilla2594 which it stays in 100% on the time thanks to the dsg
@jeffsloane86285 жыл бұрын
Love that these guys are legit, humble, funny and actually build awesome cars and produce great videos.
@eNeRGizer99Nick5 жыл бұрын
So Moog has the Golf. Marty has the RS Focus.. Maybe a pressie for Turning Fork... 🤔🤔🤔
@1080sucks5 жыл бұрын
Tiida?
@kirmanila.rocque54095 жыл бұрын
You might be on to something here man. And a blue one too...
@Paldasan5 жыл бұрын
Mario yes, Moog owns the focus but the golf is his current daily driver whilst the focus is being worked on
@JustinTurner0005 жыл бұрын
that would be really awesome of them if they gave him that car, after its all done
@Paldasan5 жыл бұрын
@Mario it makes sense, it just happens to be incorrect. Easy mistake to make though. I can't remember half the cars they've owned. No biggy.
@numinous47895 жыл бұрын
Yes, 400kw would be amazing! Cool new intro. What's up with Moog trying to close down the vid quickly and climbing out, did he have to use the restroom? LOL
@cars38005 жыл бұрын
maby he left the oven on
@thingsivedone8055 жыл бұрын
2.2L 11k rpm 450Kw Evo #450islife #ifnotwhynot. Also, Marty... That Evo is super sexy!
@drakegrossman58535 жыл бұрын
Shout out from Texas been watching for years now.
@dustypeterson40585 жыл бұрын
Even though I know you guys were just joking and being sarcastic with all the fighting, it's still all heartwearming when you're having fun and being good bros
@Will-Xaru5 жыл бұрын
I only just realized how massive Scotty is, Marty & Moog are by no means short and he absolutely dwarfs them. 😂
@zogworth5 жыл бұрын
Him in the mini was hilarious
@Pheatan5 жыл бұрын
Just seeing him taller than the bonnet propped up really show how tall he is
@knobrush5 жыл бұрын
Next to Scotty, they're Mighty Car Midgets
@XBullitt16X5 жыл бұрын
yah, scot is huge haha, looked really goofy when he drove the mini, his knees were up to the steering wheel lol.
@billnalder10175 жыл бұрын
That Dyno Shop is nicer than my living room...just sayin'
@xandercraw5 жыл бұрын
I love it, mood sitting in the back Getting all excited like a kid with a new toy When he realises that super gramps and TooEvo can have a track day together 😀✌️✌️
@Crypt_Thief5 жыл бұрын
Instead of "Will this fit my Honda?", we'll get "Will this fit my Golf?" 😆
@TomDavis46235 жыл бұрын
my love for Scotty doubled when he said "anti-lag"
@allanmurray6475 жыл бұрын
I do NOT give you permission to go to 400kw Marty. I give permission to go to 500kw.
@shinythings75 жыл бұрын
You guys should give it to tuning fork as a thank you for everything has has done over the years for you guys. IDK what goes on behind the scenes with arrangements for you to get into their shop, but he looks so happy sitting in the car.
@MrWilliam.Stewart5 жыл бұрын
Being a VAG, it could be outputting well over 50 times the claimed output.
@malinamalinowsky38745 жыл бұрын
Casey Stoner what? 😂
@AnttiBrax5 жыл бұрын
@@malinamalinowsky3874 Emissions, mate.
@klegolas40885 жыл бұрын
lol
@MikeOxlong99.95 жыл бұрын
Price of a blue evo9 just went up 1000% MCM tax + JDM tax
@kermitthefrog36855 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, so has the price of the golf R which i was searching for as the vid released
@michaelnavarro18775 жыл бұрын
Glad to see the old TF was back in the vlogs. The guy is gold.
@nickwild75 жыл бұрын
Fix the sensor issues and get your low down torque back and run the 2 cars back on the track. Get your exit speed back and you'll dog that VW all day. Then you can see if you wanna do a 250 vs 400kw
@nickwild75 жыл бұрын
@@ozzy8031 yeah but 400kw with its low down power back may just blow the doors off a 250kw VW and then theres no real battle. I guess I should have said run it back with the cars being fixed then do the big boy shootout. More content for them as well lol
@veryrancid31285 жыл бұрын
yeah but moog willl get a killer tan from the vag check engine light
@grudepc9015 жыл бұрын
Try to clean injectors, you said it was driven on only ethanol for few years
@LuanCristianThums5 жыл бұрын
it's always a possibility with ethanol but as long as it was driven constantly (never set for more than a week or so) they should probably be fine, specially since power curve seemed fine on the dyno
@LuanCristianThums5 жыл бұрын
@@ozzy8031 that's why I added "if" before my sentence
@horvik_for_faen5 жыл бұрын
Thums i dont see the if
@LuanCristianThums5 жыл бұрын
why am I getting shit for this comment my dudes? I said: it IS a possibility but AS LONG as the car didn't sit it should PROBABLY be fine, and then I gave my reasoning as to why I'd suspect they are indeed fine
@horvik_for_faen5 жыл бұрын
Thums you didnt say "if" in that sentence
@cluamica5 жыл бұрын
New OpeningGraphics are really nice guys - well done!
@Ballacha5 жыл бұрын
I don’t have time to go back and watch the video of their race (wouldn’t know how they performed off camera anyway). But I suspect mah boy wasn’t staying in boost all the time. The effect of dropping out of boost is devastating for engines with a low compression ratio and high boost, like 4g63 (tuning it only makes the problem worse btw). Golf R however, has a higher compression ratio and lower boost pressure. So it’s easier for casual drivers to drive it fast since you can basically drop the rpm to 2,500 a few times in a race and not be penalised heavily in lap time.
@paulcooper71785 жыл бұрын
The golfs compression ratio is only slightly higher, both stock. So its not the static compression ratio that is the difference. Its far more likely the fact the golfs got a smaller punchier turbo, which is boosting harder lower down and then decreases higher up. Also with a far more modern variable timing on the exhaust the golf can spool the turbo quicker. The golf also has shorter gearing due to the 7 speed box vs the 6 in the evo. Then factor in the more modern suspension and traction control it's not surprising that the golf can keep up because there's only the straight where the evo can put its high range power down.
@Ballacha5 жыл бұрын
audrey mini I actually don’t know much about 4g63 and gen7 golf r. I know my 4b11t has a compression ratio of 9:1 and my housemate’s gen6 golf r has compression ratio of 9.5:1. This “0.5” difference might be more significant than you think. Because 10.5:1 naturally aspirated engines can run on #91 but 12:1 NA engines need to run on #98, already skipping #95, just within three 0.5 increments. Different VVT technology can play a part in there I agree. You also mentioned the turbo setup in golf make it way easier to stay in boost than that in Evo. However I doubt the “suspension and traction control” on an part-time 4wd is superior to a full-time 4wd with aftermarket suspension. Perhaps the golf just had better tyre on idk.
@paulcooper71785 жыл бұрын
Having performed a lot of testing, the difference between 9-9.6 which is the difference of the two engines isn't significant to cause the dramatic change whereas the stock golf turbo Vs the aftermarket "big" turbo on the Evo definitely is. But also the static compression ratio is pretty irrelevant due the the variable cam profiles. If the cam is set to keep the intake valve open for longer then the dynamic compression ratio is significantly lower. Likewise if you put a racy cam in with a large overlap the dynamic ratio is decreased as the valves are both open during the initial stage of compression, so the static compression ratio is pretty pointless comparing two different engines. A diesel engine has a huge compression ratio so with that logic should be incredible but without boost they're pretty dire. The golf has the ability to control the wheel speeds far more accurately than the Evo, so it should be able to turn quicker and maintain mid corner grip better. The Evo is using technology a decade before the golf, and don't forget it's been a prolific decade for computer controlled cars. The Evo had a fresh set of pretty good road tyres on so unless the golf had some semi slicks I don't think the tyres really come into it, as they usually put bridgestone re00*'s on their cars so I don't know why this time would be any different.
@paulcooper71785 жыл бұрын
Also regarding the need for higher octane fuels, the more air is compressed the harder it is to compress so the difference between 9 and 9.5 is very different than between 11 and 11.5.
@MrSamooska5 жыл бұрын
I will be extremely disappointed if this thing doesnt end up rapid firing flames out the back. #400Kw+ANTILAG
And then you grow up and realize just how stupid that looks unless you're at the track.
@CharlieDB965 жыл бұрын
+
@briansamuel56705 жыл бұрын
So good to see an Evo being worked on. Wow my dream car!
@the_time_chambers_edge5 жыл бұрын
Scotty has already done 400KW so we need a MCM first 500kw beast! Upgrade everythinggggggggg 💪 but keep the look standard
@AristotelisMitsiou5 жыл бұрын
Awesome new intro. How old was the previous one, 2 years? Aged really well!
@ggepp5 жыл бұрын
By far one of the best episodes. Just 3 mates sitting in a car talking shop. And great info! Loved it! #450?
@randyranderson16215 жыл бұрын
"Eleventy" 😂😂😂 #450kw, an evo needs 600hp and your mate Charles Lam sells a stock location turbo capable of that. He should have sold you it when you bought the new exhaust off him.
@whatevermechanics5 жыл бұрын
Hx40 works 😅
@randyranderson16215 жыл бұрын
@@whatevermechanics this was the turbo I was suggesting, fits under a Tomei stock style manifold with heat shield for the stealth look. www.lamspeedracing.com/products/forced-performance-fp-zero-ball-bearing-stock-frame-turbocharger-for-the-evolution-4-9
@Fuzion1805 жыл бұрын
Such a sweet evo! LOVE that blue, so darn clean
@AtrociousNightmare5 жыл бұрын
AWESOME new intro/graphics! Really captures you guys. Excited for this evo and for when you two act so bromancely
@Novur5 жыл бұрын
"Why's it feel slow then?" BECAUSE YOU SHORT-SHIFT LIKE A FIEND, MARTY.
@jonahyoung66695 жыл бұрын
thank you!
@rogue58615 жыл бұрын
Probably afraid to break it with the engine light on.
@themichaelvortex47845 жыл бұрын
Shiny, new intro! #400kw? Love that idea. Great episode, thank you!👍🏼🤘🏼😎✌🏼
@danielashworth52815 жыл бұрын
I love how Moog is so off topic lol it adds flavor. Makes you guys different than the normal "mod" channels. Martin and Moog complement each other well.
@Czechbound5 жыл бұрын
I liked the old INTRO MUSIC more. So many car shows use too much "crunchy" guitar sounds. Prefer the 80's pop feel of most of the M2M music
@_Professor_Oak5 жыл бұрын
All their intros have had guitar/drums in them?
@stevengooden79115 жыл бұрын
I see what you mean, but appreciate their evolution (pun intended!) and they don’t change the intro very often, so I’m sure it’ll be a matter of time before you get into it!
@Czechbound5 жыл бұрын
@@_Professor_Oak The previous one was a little bit more "mild techno". For me, the music on MCM helps to differentiate it a bit. Every car fix/ mod/ tune troupe on KZbin seem to use crunchy guitar, yet every garage I've ever been in, the guys listen to the local pop channel on the radio in the shop. I love that MCM are always developing ( though I hope Fanking never goes away ), but if you're watching lots of car mod videos from different channels, the guitar crunch can get a bit old. Love your KZbin nick "Televised Chaos" - very cool !
@ToreDL875 жыл бұрын
So cam sensor it is then, not giving you proper response throughout the rev-range meaning it'll feel like a dog when racing at the track. Fix that = Problem solved.
@tmenzella4 жыл бұрын
In England you guys would be called (LtoR) Colin, Aaron and Dave. Love the channel guys.
@danieledwards10815 жыл бұрын
Hahaha... Just saw the Russell Coight handshake reference 🤣🤣 too funny
@flat4life8005 жыл бұрын
Anti lag and #469kw because the first pull was 269kw
@Mike-Oxlong935 жыл бұрын
Dont normally buy merch but you guys definitely deserve the money. Ordered a few items for a birthday present to myself. :D
@TheCompyshop5 жыл бұрын
Please tune the Golf! I'd love to see power mods done to that thing. They are properly quick with mods
@Peylix5 жыл бұрын
If Marty goes for 400kw. You know Moog will go BT for the R. APR's Stage 3+ puts 500whp down, which is only 36hp less than a 400kw (536hp) Evo. lol That gen 3 TSI is crazy.
@Dont-come-at-me-245 жыл бұрын
Even a stage 1 map and a box map would keep the Evo behind.. DSG box is great on these. Based on looks alone Evo wins hands down.
@TheCompyshop5 жыл бұрын
Satveer Degun I prefer the looks of the Golf personally lol
@Lyxess5 жыл бұрын
@@TheCompyshop To me its just a boring Golf but to each their own ofcourse!
@robinmaes585 жыл бұрын
I know a guy who daily’s a 400 whp golf :p
@guusbouwmans56675 жыл бұрын
Try saying health check at Haltech as quick as you can 10 times.
@jonnpele5 жыл бұрын
Nope
@titanninjawarrior5 жыл бұрын
Moog is spot on! Please do 2evo vs super gramps at the track!! The area under the curve of supergramps' 3.6r turbo motor would do well to counter its weight and size disadvantage.
Love to see tuning fork in the vid. He really has so much knowledge about these cars.
@v5000a5 жыл бұрын
My guess would be that the biggest factor is the dsg on the golf, 7-speed and very fast vs a 6-speed manual.
@theint73605 жыл бұрын
#650HP Smooth out current spec and do a vs Gramps on the track then full send 650HP!
@lukeburdo5 жыл бұрын
New intro is BEAST!
@chriskun325 жыл бұрын
Set your standards higher Marty, go for 450 or 500 Kw. Hope y'all have a great day.
@BaldBogey5 жыл бұрын
I need to get used the to KW thing. I'm sat here with my calculator converting the numbers everytime they mention a power figure 😂 At least the dyno showed the HP figure lol
@baronvonteuchter14124 жыл бұрын
Just add a third mate 👍
@Nickelmatt5 жыл бұрын
New Intro Alert! That evo looks pretty dope tho!
@jordanwya5 жыл бұрын
The reason it might feel slow is because it is the 6 speed, I have a 5 speed evo 8 and the gearing is much better in terms of how hard pulls feel