Real Pilot Story: Engine Failure in IMC

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@ZILOGz80VIDEOS
@ZILOGz80VIDEOS 5 жыл бұрын
That "ifr cancellation received" gave me a little giggle
@jaycee330
@jaycee330 4 жыл бұрын
Me too!
@whiskeybravo91
@whiskeybravo91 3 жыл бұрын
I busted out laughing ahahahaha, oh my goodness glad he made it down safely
@astralchemistry8732
@astralchemistry8732 2 жыл бұрын
@@whiskeybravo91 As we would say in Germany: "Stirbt ein Bediensteter während einer Dienstreise, so ist damit die Dienstreise beendet." which translates to: If an officer dies during a business trip, the business trip is ended.
@sludge4125
@sludge4125 2 жыл бұрын
@@astralchemistry8732 And if the pilot is on the clock, immediately change that.
@deanfowlkes
@deanfowlkes 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, that “IFR cancelled” was sooooo, unsatisfying. I would have had to go full Samual L on that controller. I SAID I’M ALIVE, MFer!!
@RobertHollander
@RobertHollander 5 жыл бұрын
I realize you were narrating so you had to make it alive but... I got so wrapped up in the story I found myself thinking, "I hope he makes it." Great job.
@MarieInnes
@MarieInnes 4 жыл бұрын
Me too
@obsoleteprofessor2034
@obsoleteprofessor2034 2 жыл бұрын
I went through mechanic school. I remember my instructor say he'd rather be flying an engine on its last 100 hours than its first 100 hours. The old engine has already proven itself.
@piloto2412
@piloto2412 Жыл бұрын
Thats great advice
@thefreedomguyuk
@thefreedomguyuk 5 ай бұрын
Did he ever mention the term MTBF ??
@obsoleteprofessor2034
@obsoleteprofessor2034 5 ай бұрын
@@thefreedomguyuk No...just general statistical experience. Did mention that lots of (mechanical) failures happened at throttle change.
@lazaglider
@lazaglider 5 жыл бұрын
I'm glad the biggest relief here was that the engine was still in warranty.
@mwp1088
@mwp1088 Жыл бұрын
Spoken like a true airplane owner lol
@nicknav09
@nicknav09 10 жыл бұрын
"Potomac! 116SV made it on the Ground alive". "116SV roger IFR cancellation is received." lol
@ThreeTwoVictor
@ThreeTwoVictor 10 жыл бұрын
I like how he had to clarify that was the Emergency. Was he not paying attention to the callsign? lol
@mmichaeldonavon
@mmichaeldonavon 10 жыл бұрын
What a let down that was!
@StevenSwaks
@StevenSwaks 9 жыл бұрын
+Nick Navarro I thought about it. That was cold!
@mikerossscuba
@mikerossscuba 7 жыл бұрын
"What did you expect? An engraved plaque?!" (Jus' messin' 'round. Glad you made it in one piece.) I'd would have loved to hear the conversation with the overhaul A&P.
@Dr.TJ_Eckleburg
@Dr.TJ_Eckleburg 7 жыл бұрын
"Yeah great job kid, what do you want a medal?"
@Quasihamster
@Quasihamster 7 жыл бұрын
Alternate ending: "I' ve ditched in a lake, I'm sinking, the doors won't open!" "IFR Cancellation received, thanks." (Hangs up)
@tntkop
@tntkop 6 жыл бұрын
When you land in the water, do you still have to chock the wheels when you come to a stop? Asking for a friend.
@tfilter6
@tfilter6 6 жыл бұрын
@@tntkop No, setting the emergency brake should be sufficient. If the aircraft is upside down, then you can use the chocks without getting them wet. It's nice we can m make jokes about this one, even the aircraft survived.
@tntkop
@tntkop 6 жыл бұрын
C Jorgenson Definitely. In law enforcement, we make more jokes about the mishaps than we do non-eventful incidents. One time we were joking about an incident where I was on scene. A rookie asked me if the officer was getting pissed. I told him: no, because we all know where to draw the line. He then asked why we keep joking about it. I told him: even though we kid him about it, it keeps us talking about what occurred. That particular incident occurred several years prior, and I told him: the simple fact that we are STILL joking about it, means it’s STILL in our minds, which means that officers like you who weren’t even cops when that incident occurred, are STILL learning from it. Moreover, the officers involved were the biggest jokesters about what occurred. About a year later, that very rookie had a similar situation and he said he flashed back to this day. He came up to me and said: Now I get it. Mission accomplished. Smooth flying everyone! PS - The incident involved their response to a suspicious package after a business received a bomb threat, and I command our Bomb Squad. No one was injured in the incident and the suspicious package turned out to be a very realistic looking hoax device.
@aerialexplorer772
@aerialexplorer772 5 жыл бұрын
Any landing you can swim away from, is a good one..
@NaomiCurtis
@NaomiCurtis 5 жыл бұрын
@@tntkop in medicine it's the same. PTSD even in small doses can occur to others not directly involved such as happened on 9/11. This is our way of helping keep relevant information without the fear, dread, etc of the actual event.nit shows how long some of these events can affect us that we still make lol comments.
@phillipmckie4913
@phillipmckie4913 8 жыл бұрын
It is important no matter what to holler for help. Mayday is a million dollar word. The FAA will never fine a Pilot who ever uses the power of declaring an emergency and later finds out that one was not imminent. In this case there was an emergency and all deviations from the FARs are valid. Good job buddy you lived to fly another day and took the time to share your story with others. Well done!
@mikerossscuba
@mikerossscuba 7 жыл бұрын
Good to know.
@homefront3162
@homefront3162 7 жыл бұрын
PHILLIP MC KIE I keep seeing that in these videos, failure to simply state "Emergency" engine failure, cannot maintain altitude... boom Now everyones interested
@bluehornet6752
@bluehornet6752 5 жыл бұрын
Actually, that's not quite true. FAR 91.3(b) reads that you can deviate from the regulations to the extent required to meet the emergency. _FAR 91.3 (b) In an in-flight emergency requiring immediate action, the pilot in command may deviate from any rule of this part to the extent required to meet that emergency._ Good point about calling "May Day" first and asking questions later, especially when alone in a single-engine aircraft, in IMC, and not all that high above the ground. He did a very good job, under the circumstances. I've been alone in a similar situation, with a rough-running engine. This is why I now will no longer practice instrument approaches (with or without a student) in low IFR conditions (< 500 feet and/or < 1 mile vis) in a single-engine aircraft: too much riding on that one engine to tempt fate by remaining in conditions that low for that long.
@duckslayer92
@duckslayer92 3 жыл бұрын
@@bluehornet6752 isn't that basically what he said?
@janreznak881
@janreznak881 5 жыл бұрын
Me: Declaring an emergency, engine failure. ATC: what do you need? Me: Glider practice.....
@BrettonFerguson
@BrettonFerguson 5 жыл бұрын
Lessons Learned: #1 Don't use the same mechanic who did you engine overhaul 200 hours before this happened.
@bluehornet6752
@bluehornet6752 5 жыл бұрын
I would like to know more about said overhaul, that's for sure. Still though, if the engine was still under warranty at 200 hours, you'd almost think that it had to have been a substantial enough shop that they don't routinely have to repair engines under warranty. Also, 200 hours is a fair bit of time to have on an overhaul. I would expect something drastic to rear its ugly head before that point. I wonder what the prior inspections (annual, 100-hour, oil analysis, etc) found after the engine was placed back into service following the overhaul?
@michaelmccarthy4615
@michaelmccarthy4615 4 жыл бұрын
the engine would lose oil through the bent/broken pushrod tubes... Theres more to this story not being told.
@raymondfrye5017
@raymondfrye5017 4 жыл бұрын
@@michaelmccarthy4615 I agree. Something is hidden here.
@michaeldose2041
@michaeldose2041 4 жыл бұрын
@@michaelmccarthy4615 Exactly correct. It is exceedingly rare for a valve to 'stick' in it's guide. There is something else likely going on here. Possibly a broken valve spring leading to a valve contacting a piston leading to a bent, 'stuck' valve and bent push rods. Or a valve guide coming loose. Lost oil was an effect not the cause. Just a guess, but I don't buy the stuck valve, especially 200 hours after an overhaul.
@michaelmccarthy4615
@michaelmccarthy4615 4 жыл бұрын
The engine shaking/low rpm was due to one or more "dead" cylinders. He lost oil outside visable on the cowling due to valve train failure which bent the push rod tubes. Likely: The valve train was not properly assembled, checked, adjusted, correct parts, etc. Valve train set up is more complicated on split case light alloy engines.
@MyTube4Utoo
@MyTube4Utoo 5 жыл бұрын
I looked through most of the comments and was pleased to not see a bunch of, *"well, he should have done this, or, I would have done that."*
@briansmobile1
@briansmobile1 7 жыл бұрын
Great work aviate, navagate, communicate! Thanks for the lessons too!
@slehar
@slehar 5 жыл бұрын
"What is the nature of your emergency?" - "I'm getting a lot of shaking". Too ambiguous! I HAVE SEVERE ENGINE FAILURE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LONGER IT IS GOING TO RUN! Vector me direct to the nearest available airport.
@bobbecka
@bobbecka 2 жыл бұрын
Have you ever been in an emergency situation? Yes, maybe ambiguous but he flew the plane and end of the day got to go home
@mizzyroro
@mizzyroro 10 жыл бұрын
One more mistake according to the transmissions you shared, when asked what was the nature of your emergency, you said you were getting a horrible shake but failed to mention you were not able to maintain altitude. This would be part of "over communicate" and would give atc a clearer picture of your situation.
@planewire2153
@planewire2153 7 жыл бұрын
Mizzy Roro He should have said he was dealing with an engine failure
@tfilter6
@tfilter6 6 жыл бұрын
You know, when you are in these situations, the brain doesn't work as efficiently or as logically as normal. That's one reason we practice emergencies so that we don't have to figure out exactly what to do, we just do what we trained for and practiced. Of course, every emergency has its own unique 'features" which make it something we have not exactly prepared to deal with, so we try to do the best we can. And, when you are knowing that the outcome may not be anywhere near to good, regardless of what you do, that makes the brain even less likely to perform normally. He did a great job, and I thank him for sharing so that the rest of us may be better prepared if the same situation happens to us.
@TechOut
@TechOut 6 жыл бұрын
Eli Smith he may not have known at the time the engine itself was the issue. He is narrating after the fact and knew the cause. He may not have when talking to ATC
@Eruthian
@Eruthian 5 жыл бұрын
He was under heavy stressmthat`s why he missed that part I guess.
@GhostRider351
@GhostRider351 5 жыл бұрын
he did state he could not mantain
@kentd4762
@kentd4762 2 жыл бұрын
I know this is an old video, but great job and thank you for sharing your experience with the rest of us. I hope you've had an uneventful flying career ever since.
@MalachiWhite-tw7hl
@MalachiWhite-tw7hl 9 ай бұрын
This same aircraft suffered another engine failure several years later and crashed. No one harmed but I believe the airplane was totalled. A cursed ship.
@AVMamfortas
@AVMamfortas 10 жыл бұрын
Many, many thanks for such an honest self-appraisal and description of the incident. You do yourself credit and a great service to others.
@homefront3162
@homefront3162 7 жыл бұрын
A.M. Fortas Thats a rotor pilot thing...
@kentd4762
@kentd4762 2 жыл бұрын
Agree!
@TheRotorhound
@TheRotorhound 5 жыл бұрын
I am an experienced pilot with commercial rating in singles and twins, helicopter, glider and seaplanes. I don't care what the comments are that are negative but you did a great job and lived to tell about it. When the shit hits the fan there are always people that criticise but you walked away from an engine failure unharmed and that's what counts.
@ShuRugal
@ShuRugal 5 жыл бұрын
"IFR Cancellation received." lol, what a wiseacre.
@UltimaA380
@UltimaA380 2 жыл бұрын
I flew this plane in September of 21, oil pressure was on the high end of the green but we flew without issues. The next renter had an engine failure landing in a field, fairly sure its totaled now.
@crufflerdoug
@crufflerdoug 10 жыл бұрын
Oh sh-t oh dear. Well done by the pilot, and many thanks to him and ASI for telling this story.
@GoodLifeMedicine
@GoodLifeMedicine 4 жыл бұрын
You sound like an excellent pilot. Great job, my man!
@BuckVertrillion
@BuckVertrillion 4 жыл бұрын
Unless you’ve ever experienced a real emergency in which every action taken had to be near perfect or it would definitely cost you your life, you can’t begin to understand how difficult it is to maintain calm and rational thought. And THAT is why we practice such emergency procedures.
@Mikinct
@Mikinct Жыл бұрын
Agrees Thing is how many pilots simulate a practice pull throttle back in real IMC on short approach at low altitude? My best guess is 1%. Same for not to many pilots flying g light twins pull power back immediately after take off near vmc speeds. Many tines during most "practice" we're expecting it. Real like we seldom have that luxury, the surprise hits fast. When one practices ILS approach 4 miles out at maybe 1500ft & actually loose an engine in IMC. Not sure if most GA planes can even glide safely onto runway if any near field obstacles are within line if runway.
@donnelljamison2381
@donnelljamison2381 3 жыл бұрын
Great job finally a video where someone survives
@ChristopherMilnevcm
@ChristopherMilnevcm 7 жыл бұрын
I am not a pilot. But I find these stories of failures in equipment, judgement, and planning to be useful in life on the ground as well. How people overcome these problems, keep their cool as did those in this particular story, and apply experience to prevent future repetitions is equally useful. I have spent a lot of time with computer flight simulators and flying games to understand SOME of the jargon, which helps. Thanks Air Safety Institute for this AMAZING channel.
@papafoxtrott
@papafoxtrott 10 жыл бұрын
WOW MAN! My heart was thumping watching your video! Congratulations on your safe landing! I am just training for the PPL and that one made me shiver.... Many happy landings!!
@Whatheonearth
@Whatheonearth 4 жыл бұрын
I'll be forever grateful for getting my glider licence before my PPL. The automatic skills I learned there are extremely helpful for emergencies, and for helping me be comfortable with an off field landing should it be needed
@glennshaw5718
@glennshaw5718 Жыл бұрын
PPL is a British term. In the US it is a Private Pilot Certificate.
@pnzrldr
@pnzrldr 9 ай бұрын
Very nice to listen to an emergency that was survived, and that carries usable lessons learned for the pilot. So many accident reports are otherwise.
@flytheater
@flytheater 11 жыл бұрын
Great video. This is an experience you dont learn in text books. Great job. Glad you made it out ok.
@chrisreevesC180
@chrisreevesC180 4 жыл бұрын
I learned to fly the Blackhawk in the Army with him, shortly after this incident. A good dude who I still stay in contact with often.
@veanwhitcher7867
@veanwhitcher7867 2 жыл бұрын
I would still call this flight skillful, you performed very well under extreme pressure and your voice sounded as if your nerves were calm and your mind functioning
@kevinwiegard1697
@kevinwiegard1697 10 жыл бұрын
Under those conditions you acted very well. I know how split second decisions aren't always the best, however yours seem to work (which overall is the most important thing). You can dissect a flight many ways with...I should have done this or should have done that... but with so many human and mechanical factors the main goal is to get safely on the ground. Every pilot and controller should know their equipment and themselves.
@Jack_quelle
@Jack_quelle 6 жыл бұрын
Wow I just found this video, this exact event happened to me last week. I was flying in IMC when are engine started extremely shaking, we ran the engine roughness checklist and realized nothing was working we immediately declared and emergency and landed at the closest airport.the problem ended up being to stuck valves on cylinder 1 and 4 culinders
@MyTube4Utoo
@MyTube4Utoo 5 жыл бұрын
Good, quick decisions saves lives. I'm glad to be able to hear this story from the pilot himself. Much respect Mr. Shapiro! There are far too many, *"case studies."*
@bboystance1670
@bboystance1670 4 жыл бұрын
Well Robert, glad you're still with us!
@ChrisCoombes
@ChrisCoombes 5 жыл бұрын
Well done - always things one might have done differently but you kept your head.
@kealilasok14
@kealilasok14 3 жыл бұрын
Good clear, assertive communication with ATC!
@radioace318la
@radioace318la 2 жыл бұрын
Good call. Great airmanship young man. That interstate must have looked so very tempting. Cheers from Louisiana.
@petermendoza1170
@petermendoza1170 5 жыл бұрын
Great job! Under the circumstances and stress you may have forgotten that by raising flaps immediately upon touchdown would have kept her on the ground and shorten the roll with more effective breaking. But you made it.God bless you.
@michaelengland7228
@michaelengland7228 3 жыл бұрын
You did well with the narration too. So pleased you were so calm best wishes to you and mom, dad and family.
@johnmeye
@johnmeye 7 жыл бұрын
Amazing story. Great job retelling it.
@jonathanmoore9661
@jonathanmoore9661 3 жыл бұрын
Nice work man. I’m glad you are ok.
@sreetips
@sreetips 5 жыл бұрын
This happened to me over CHS during instrument training. My instructor and I had just finished the ILS to 15 and did a touch and go to do another approach. The ceiling was 900 overcast. As we claimed into imc conditions and arriving at 1600 feet the engine began to caugh and sputter with backfiring. Adding power made it worse. I was terrified. I wanted to land at Charleston and get on the ground! My instructor Chris was as calm as a cucumber. He just said, "we're maintaining altitude so just fly the airplane.." in imc, back to DYB (Dorchester County Airport) about 30 miles north of Charleston. When we got to DYB which was VFR and with the runway in sight I told Chris to take the landing. He said, "are you sure?" I was too shook up and was worried about the engine, still misfiring. The next day the mechanic found that the intake manifold has come loose and was sucking unmetered air into the engine. Almost as bad as the time I jumped out of a Cessna 182 only to have my reserve deploy inside the airplane. It hit the tail of the airplane and torn three of the cells and I was in a spiral. Grabbed a bunch of toggle on the opposite steering line and got it to fly straight and made a hard landing but no broken bones!
@brabhamfreaman166
@brabhamfreaman166 Жыл бұрын
Seems another case of every little bit of power wrung from the engine was vital - provided options for the pilot. Totality of pilot’s aviation experience (ie. rotary wing expertise) really informed his calm decision making and clarity of thought. Thanks for another excellent video, highlighting as much the sheer force of will to survive amongst pilots and reconfirmation of the idiom “aviate, navigate, communicate”, use of the E-word and most made of ATC to simulate CRM.
@oldcat3439
@oldcat3439 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent job, Robert .. under very pressing circumstances .. we can't always take the 'most perfect' action in subsequent analysis ..👍
@drumdude46
@drumdude46 10 жыл бұрын
Biggest lesson Learned: don't be the guy to fly an aircraft that..."just finished having some work done on it', less than 200hrs before". huge statistical curve with that, shows that there is a sharp upward 'failure or problem' trend likely, right after those maintenance intervals. guy was lucky.
@ladyscarfaceangel4616
@ladyscarfaceangel4616 10 жыл бұрын
Would you rather fly the plane that never had any maintenance or the one that has had recent maintenance? The million dollar ?! LOL :)
@ladyscarfaceangel4616
@ladyscarfaceangel4616 10 жыл бұрын
If that were ever the situation. You have the choice to fly one that was recently worked on or this other plane that for some strange reason has never been worked on but is still available to fly? I know that kinda sounds stupid but I'm not being serious anyway :) Happy Flying
@Flying_Snakes
@Flying_Snakes 7 жыл бұрын
Engines are usually broke in after 25 to 50 hours. 200 is enough for most to feel pretty confident in the work. Hell, some planes and pilots fly less than 200 hour per year. My 182 gets a check every 100hour, so if I waited until after 200 to fly, I'd never get to fly. The rentals, in my opinion, are scariest since nobody leans for taxi anymore and lead fouling becomes a frequent issue.
@CFITOMAHAWK2
@CFITOMAHAWK2 6 жыл бұрын
@@Flying_Snakes- Right on...
@Gratefulwon
@Gratefulwon 6 жыл бұрын
Oh man. So similar to my experience. My radar altimeter was set to 1000', and it was still IMC with 3 miles to go to the airport. I had to put it in an a farmers field a couple miles from the airport.
@jesseperez7253
@jesseperez7253 2 жыл бұрын
I'm just a ground school student, but another lesson to learn that pops in my mind is, if I was flying to practice my ifr approach in imc, I would only do it if the cloud/fog ceilings were higher, I would certainly do it in imc but would check weather and make sure I have higher ceilings so that in an emergency when I pop out of clouds I have vfr capability.
@taylorhall4487
@taylorhall4487 4 жыл бұрын
You’re legend mate well done
@StevenSwaks
@StevenSwaks 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your experience.
@andrewbeech2199
@andrewbeech2199 9 жыл бұрын
Fantastic story, I think you handled it as a professional , well done sir.
@billbrisson9927
@billbrisson9927 4 жыл бұрын
had a similar failure with a 172, on take-off, just as I was about to rotate, the engine began to miss and run rough, with lots of runway left ahead, I aborted the take off and with a sick engine, taxied off the active and parked. First thing I noticed when I got out was a small puddle of oil forming under the engine. A valve had stuck, and the pushrod bent, breaking the pushrod tube just as it showed in your video. An instructor once told me "If its running rough on the ground, it wont get better in the air!".....its funny how those words immediately came to mind on the take-off roll!
@GlennHamblin
@GlennHamblin 4 жыл бұрын
Great to see an emergency go so well, after seeing many failures from pride and the embarrassment not allowing the safe choice. Congratulations on your safe return to tera firma!
@joecraven2034
@joecraven2034 5 жыл бұрын
This pilot did a fantastic job with this emergency. He made excellent decisions under duress and walked away with a salvageable plane and a scratch or two. Nice.
@stealhty1
@stealhty1 13 жыл бұрын
Excellent,not only you save your live but also you get to save the plane too
@therockindoc5453
@therockindoc5453 3 жыл бұрын
Great job, Boychik!
@ashsmitty2244
@ashsmitty2244 6 жыл бұрын
Wow. What a total anticlimax! After getting out of the aircraft alive, id be expecting champagne and a big trophy. Where was everyone?! Lol. The guy on the phone made it all to funny.
@jayc4283
@jayc4283 5 жыл бұрын
Good to learn and be comfortable with a cross control forward slip, knowing what it feels and looks like, and how the airspeed indication might be incorrect during the maneuver is good to know. If you can do it comfortable, you would be stunned how much altitude you can lose compared to just flaps and power reduction.
@wliu6381
@wliu6381 3 жыл бұрын
Sound judgements and decisions! Good job!
@n124lp
@n124lp 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this story with the rest of us. I am glad that the pilot is ok. One thing I take away from watching these very informative safety videos is that it is difficult when in the middle of a crisis situation to know what information you need to get from ATC and how to get that information. For example, in this situation, it would have been very helpful for the pilot to have known that the ceiling at Gaithersburg was only 100 ft. higher than at Frederick. But how could he have known to ask that? Perhaps it would be a good idea whenever weather is a factor for deciding where to go in an emergency to get the full observation for the candidate airports? Anyone have suggestions about communicating with ATC during an emergency?
@DonTruman
@DonTruman 2 жыл бұрын
Impressive. Started flying at 22, and by 27 has all of those certifications. And kept his cool during a deadly dangerous situation requiring quick decision making. One question though: atc said to maintain 3000' and pilot didn't say anything about loss of power and losing altitude. I'm not a pilot, but that seemed like a crucial omission atc needed to know.
@FarmerTed
@FarmerTed 5 жыл бұрын
I had this happen to me. 1984 Cessna 172rg (brand new aircraft) I was shooting approaches and using carb heat as prescribed by operation manual and engine cut out inside outer maker. We glided in and bounced up on the runway without hitting the approach lights. Came to find out new employees at Cessna connected the carb heat incorrectly.
@RMSchapiro
@RMSchapiro 5 жыл бұрын
That's amazing you were able to glide that length down the glideslope. Was it a total loss of power or a partial loss of power?
@robertmcmillan8645
@robertmcmillan8645 5 жыл бұрын
Good job! We can all find things to pick at, and the points are probably valid, but in the end you are alive, nobody on the ground was injured. And the airplane suffered only minor damage, other than the engine.
@luvisuzu
@luvisuzu 8 жыл бұрын
excellent job. great attitude- never be afraid to ask for help.
@vmgaspar
@vmgaspar 13 жыл бұрын
Very well made and explained. Thank you for making these videos which have interestint 'lessons learned' outcomes. Lucky to be able to make it in this case. I liked it!
@werquantum
@werquantum 6 жыл бұрын
Great job, man. Be proud.
@SuperSnallygaster
@SuperSnallygaster 6 жыл бұрын
Shocked that so many commenters have experienced engine failures. I'm only a few hours into my PPL training - might have to reconsider!
@marlinweekley51
@marlinweekley51 3 жыл бұрын
“The outcome would have been a little better”??? The outcome was fantastic- no injuries and minor scratches on the aircraft! Super outcome 👍
@UnusualAttitudes
@UnusualAttitudes 4 жыл бұрын
This guy is a solid pilot- esp being primarily a hello pilot in a fixed wing. He immediately declared an emergency & was assertive with his comms. Good job. Oh- and IFR cancellation received. Lol
@jeremiahjordan8764
@jeremiahjordan8764 4 жыл бұрын
when asked what was the nature of your emergency, you said you were getting a horrible shake I thought atc would ask if it was chocolate or vanilla
@lizettewanzer8650
@lizettewanzer8650 4 жыл бұрын
LOLOL!!!
@Love2FlyKAP
@Love2FlyKAP 8 жыл бұрын
Why did you not slip the plane down to the runway?
@KArts2004
@KArts2004 8 жыл бұрын
same thought! :-)
@nightwaves3203
@nightwaves3203 8 жыл бұрын
Some guys are taught to not slip with a lot of flaps due to fuselage blanking of limited lift at slower speed where trailing wing can drop into an instant spin. I've slipped big time with full flaps after being left high on final by HNL then finally cleared to land. VFR sucks sometime.
@747-pilot
@747-pilot 7 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the exact same thing! scrolled down the comments to see if someone else thought the exact same thing! 😃
@747-pilot
@747-pilot 7 жыл бұрын
tie oneon what is being referred to here, is what is called a "forward slip". This is a maneuver that can be executed when a pilot is too high on an approach to a runway, and needs to lose some altitude without gaining airspeed. Normally, when landing the plane needs to approach the runway at a certain airspeed and touch down at a certain speed. If the plane is too high and the nose is lowered to lose altitude, the plane will start gaining unwanted airspeed. To remedy this, the forward slip is executed by banking the aircraft in one direction and yawing (applying rudder) in the opposite direction. This action adds drag on the aircraft and prevents it from gaining additional speed, while at the same time losing altitude.
@RMSchapiro
@RMSchapiro 6 жыл бұрын
Great questions. Not hindsight, I should have. I was such a low-time airplane pilot, I didn’t even know how to slip. I have since learned.
@solomonpilot2510
@solomonpilot2510 8 жыл бұрын
IT WAS A PARTIAL ENGINE FAILURE ,BUT I AM GLAD U MADE IT !
@dasnvps
@dasnvps 13 жыл бұрын
I would pay this guy to instruct me. Sharp mind and he gave up in a seriously bad situation. Thanks for this video.
@lightotw
@lightotw 7 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't have him instruct. His experience is mainly heli. Evidence? He was suggested an alternate airport and his only question was how long is the runway. To his mind, fixed wing have this problem heli don't. That is a weird way to look at it and screams inexperience. I'd be shocked to learn of an airport on charts with a runway too short for a C-172. The question wasn't worthwhile asking, and if you listen to any other accident story on youtube, you'll never hear a pilot of a small plane ask about runway length in an emergency. My Dad used to put his down on logging roads during bad thunderstorms. He would take off again from the logging road once the storm passed. The other part is his inexperience with engines. Young people are used to electronics and don't understand mechanical issues very well. He admitted as much at the end of the video. If he understood it better he would have looked at oil temperature and pressure when the engine shake began. No word on that at all.
@mjudec
@mjudec 2 жыл бұрын
This was pretty obvious from the start as he is alive, but what a nice change to see someone realise "this is wrong" and call an emergency!! So many of these are fatal accidents where people delayed and delayed, refusing to realise the trouble they're in.
@PeterPan-jd9lu
@PeterPan-jd9lu 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for sharing this!
@LeftSeat2006
@LeftSeat2006 10 жыл бұрын
Nice job Robert!
@NaomiCurtis
@NaomiCurtis 5 жыл бұрын
PS thanks to all the pilots and others who put some of their most difficult experience out the for others to learn from.
@jaydee5447
@jaydee5447 4 жыл бұрын
This dude is a straight up bad ass pilot. Never panicked and did what he had to do
@gnypp45
@gnypp45 6 жыл бұрын
I was relieved to learn that you survived the crash landing.
@paulsuprono7225
@paulsuprono7225 4 жыл бұрын
Remaining calm, cool & collective . . . saved this young pilots life. He acted as an experienced, matured should. He may have not met those last two categories . . . however, he kept his COOL. THAT, made the difference. 🇺🇸
@bluehornet6752
@bluehornet6752 5 жыл бұрын
Another strong argument for not practicing IFR in a single-engine aircraft, when the weather is close to minimums. Shit happens, and when that shit happens to your one and only engine, you're the shit that's about to happen. Great job to this pilot though for keeping it together and taking the more available runway. Had he performed a forward slip to lose some altitude, he might have gotten it stopped on the runway. But even still, it was a very good outcome because he flew the aircraft first and foremost. I wouldn't call a 200 SMOH engine "just overhauled" though. I would like to hear more as to 1) who majored the engine, 2) how it was operated for those 200 hours since the overhaul, and 3) what the inspections (and any oil analysis performed) found in the interim. Good that the engine was still under warranty though--that makes me think that the overhaul shop was at somewhat reputable.
@JoshuaTootell
@JoshuaTootell Жыл бұрын
Man, they put the spoiler right at the beginning of the video 😂 Nice to see a positive outcome.
@tazzertime
@tazzertime 8 жыл бұрын
Glad you survived to share your experience. I am not a pilot but if you learn there has been recent engine service to the aircraft, your pre-flight checks should also include checking under the hood as best you can. With all due respect to mechanics, mistakes happen and you might have had a big warning with an engine check before flight.
@foxkilo9909
@foxkilo9909 8 жыл бұрын
Unlike other models like the Piper28 or the Beech Bonanze, the Cowling of the C172 is fixed with screws. One can only see the engine trough air inlets and the oil dipstick latch.
@depotshredder6938
@depotshredder6938 8 жыл бұрын
Not completely true. I fly a 172L, and there's a nice, relatively large panel you can open to look inside the cowling. However, if you're talking about a newer model like the one in this video, then there isn't any such panel.
@foxkilo9909
@foxkilo9909 8 жыл бұрын
Depot Shredder Thanks for the hint. I am flying a 2002 C172S. All I can open without a screwdriver is the oil filler panel.
@depotshredder6938
@depotshredder6938 8 жыл бұрын
Piper Pilot Yeah- I'm really not a fan of the newer 172s. Sure, the L I fly is slower and has a mediocre panel (the plastic keeps coming off), but it's just a much better plane to me as far as preflighting goes. Only 1 fuel sump on each side and 1 on the bottom is definitely a perk, you have all these ways to look inside the plane. If your flight school has an older model (not an R, that's cheating :p), you should really fly it sometime. They're so much cheaper, and a lot quicker to preflight (and start, if it's carbeureted like N242AV), so you can actually get in the air.
@foxkilo9909
@foxkilo9909 8 жыл бұрын
I already got my license. My flight club has 1 C172S and 2 PA28-181. I like the pipers more but for rides with passengers, the Cessna just beats the view. And speed is really not a factor for me. Today I cruised at 43%BHP/89KTS :) Unfortunately I've never flown any other 172 models but I would really love to!
@foxyroxstar
@foxyroxstar 2 жыл бұрын
ah right around the corner's end of Hawkins Creamery Road! glad you made it down. Damascus..Mt Airy..Frederick..Gaithersburg..(I think that we would'ave known of this crash as I do now of a 12/08/14 "crash" near Montgomery County Airpark) oooh.
@andrews640
@andrews640 5 жыл бұрын
Great job.
@j.settle6448
@j.settle6448 5 жыл бұрын
I am not a pilot or anything but that was an awesome job dude! Amazing!
@ryany4326
@ryany4326 Жыл бұрын
Aopa did statistics in when engines catastrophically fail and it’s almost ALWAYS in the first 400 Hours. The most realizable engines were in the middle of their TBO and the older timed our engines usually wore out slowly enough that it was obviously time to repalce it before a mid air failure occurred
@motoxcarbon9891
@motoxcarbon9891 6 жыл бұрын
Rule number one: When the engine starts to have non-electrical problems, automatically treat it likes it's going to have a complete failure with fire, any second. In other words, the best thing to do in a situation like this is to get the aircraft on the ground as soon as possible. It would have been better for him to set-up a landing on the freeway than attempt any airport. If your engine is going out and you have a decent place to land, set-up for it and take it. You may lose many safe landing options trying to get to the airport. This engine could have completely stopped and it could have also produced a massive fire over an area between the freeway and airport with nowhere to land. Remember the engine out story in the P51? Thinking "I can make it" is a state of panic and the fastest way to get yourself killed.
@TerribleFire
@TerribleFire 4 жыл бұрын
That freeway is littered with power lines and gantries. It would be a death sentence. The pilot made the right call.
@PilotPete109
@PilotPete109 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you made it
@maxbootstrap7397
@maxbootstrap7397 5 жыл бұрын
Lesson Learned: Never trust any A&P. Lesson Learned: Declare the emergency... get as much information from others as possible... but *make your own decisions* and don't be swayed by others.
@MyTube4Utoo
@MyTube4Utoo 5 жыл бұрын
Yep! No one can fly the airplane for you, and they'll be going home either way. I'm sure we all watch the 'Case Studies' that don't turn-out so well, and we often see the same things; pilots reluctant to declare an emergency, and often not prepared to *TELL ATC WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO!* Sure, take all information being offered, but *MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS.* If I make it home I couldn't care less who second guesses my actions.
@derekrohan9619
@derekrohan9619 5 жыл бұрын
“ may not be able to tell by my voice but I thought I wasn’t gonna see the ground alive “No I think I could tell by your voice you were freaked haha
@dc4334
@dc4334 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah. That was pretty douchey for him to say.
@lizettewanzer8650
@lizettewanzer8650 4 жыл бұрын
Same! It was pretty obvious from his tone.
@duckslayer92
@duckslayer92 3 жыл бұрын
I kinda disagree with you guys, not knowing his calm voice I thought he handled it very calmly
@keyweststeve3509
@keyweststeve3509 3 жыл бұрын
Actually his voice was a little tense but clear and in control. I think the 3 of you were just projecting the complete meltdowns you would have been having.
@PhilippeBorfiga
@PhilippeBorfiga 4 жыл бұрын
Impressive good job ... and thanks for sharing !
@bobbypaluga4346
@bobbypaluga4346 7 жыл бұрын
Had you asked for the elevation would that have conveyed your request quicker? Asking about altitude to me means sky, Elevation is not used often in aviation, it's use is also exclusively to ground conditions. Nice to have you among the living, excellent video AOPA
@RMSchapiro
@RMSchapiro 6 жыл бұрын
Bobby Paluga: I completely agree. The controller was probably not clear what I was asking.
@howardflies
@howardflies 9 жыл бұрын
Well done Robert!
@richardmathies7302
@richardmathies7302 6 жыл бұрын
A well handled emergency but one action that should have been considered is an aggressive slip on final to correct for high and fast. This is what glider guys teach (where its always a power off landing) although they also have the advantage of air breaks assuming they deploy. This action might have avoided going off the end of runway.
@ianwood1157
@ianwood1157 10 жыл бұрын
Well done Robert! Any time that an engine failure IMC in a single-engined aircraft finishes this well is good! However (and not just for Robert), is my observation that American pilots are reluctant to declare an emergency by using the internationally recognised radio call MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY. I am at a loss to explain why this simple procedure is not used. Especially when dealing with people whose first language is not English (I speak from experience of flying through out South East Asia and flying with pilots from India, China, and Europe) it makes it clear to all concerned, whether they are controllers or other pilots on the frequency, that it is time to limit transmissions and demands so the pilot with the emergency can be given the best assistance. Take a moment to look up the ICAO definition of Distress and Mayday. It can mean the difference between life or death.
@raidazz1
@raidazz1 6 жыл бұрын
Great job to get on the ground in one piece.. A bit of luck that the weather was good enough to land safely. In a single engine aircraft anytime you have engine problems and are unable to maintain alt its always a MAYDAY with a requirement to track to the nearest SUITABLE runway available.
@joeangell5652
@joeangell5652 4 жыл бұрын
Great job Sir!
@pushing2throttles
@pushing2throttles 3 жыл бұрын
First off all, great job staying alive. Secondly I think your takeaways that you stated we're prudent. I think another point to make is stay calm, as you also stated, ought to be over emphasized. There's 18000 public use airports in the USA. ATC is your support system. Use all available resources! Good job not dying!
@funshootin1
@funshootin1 10 жыл бұрын
hey at least you didnt totally fertilize your fruit of the looms and got the plane down in one piece .. check that box and learn from it.
@PelicanIslandLabs
@PelicanIslandLabs 7 жыл бұрын
@ 7:20: I think it's 'pushrods' ................... not 'push-pull rods'
@jmcdonne
@jmcdonne 4 жыл бұрын
"Several push pull rods were bent in half as a result of stuck valves." Stuck valves shouldn't damage the pushrods. He probably means the hydraulic tappets which connect the camshaft to the rocker arms (and then on to the valves).
@avi7278
@avi7278 4 жыл бұрын
It's funny the pilot expected a welcoming party, "oh my god, thank god you did it! you're alive! GREAT JOB!" and he go "IFR cancellation received, thank you." LMFAO...
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