Real Ride Review: 2022 CF Moto 800MT: 1st Ireland/UK Test. Is a Chinese KTM as good as the original?

UPDATE - SEPTEMBER 2022 - CFMOTO HAVE AN ECU UPDATE!!! Yep, it seems CFMoto have listened to the feedback and reviews (would they have seen my video I wonder? 🤣), and have an 'over air remap' for the bike, which reports say solves the issue perfectly! Fair play CF Moto!!
So, my first test of a brand new bike! I would have loved to have mounted the GoPro on my helmet, but unfortunately I was using the bike companies helmet, so had to stick with the chest harness instead.
Very interesting bike, I enjoyed it a lot - apart from two 'small' issues, which you may here me mention once or twice!
A couple of other videos in edit as we speak, but please give it a LIKE, SHARE and/or SUBSCRIBE if you like it, and hopefully I can get a lot more on the cards! Cheers!
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[@riderstales]

Sir, I really liked your test, it was definitely not the usual boring stuff :) Said so, and apart from my crappy English, I am another happy owner of this bike. I have to report two things: 1 - that bike brakes must have some sort of issue, cause mine really work great and I am a 1,93 m 120 Kg guy who's been riding for a good 30 years now. This bike brakes are good. 2 - The fueling thing is a known issue, and it was recently discovered by an Australian guy, that it is due to a wrong positioning of the air filter. Some bikes need the filter taken out and put into position again (5 minutes task) because it allows air leaking in some conditions (especially at low rpms) and that confuses the EFI ECU. Also, it seems that the bike has some sort of electronic protection till 1000 Kms, that limits the engine performance, especially during rapid acceleration and over 6500 rpms. So if you had fun now, be sure that according to all the owners who drove more than 3000-4000 Km, it changes to an even better bike. Said so, I am reeally happy with the product that fits my needs and as you said, it has a tremendous value. Last but not least, with its stock tyres I can confirm, it is better to stay away from any kind of off road path, but on tarmac they are really good... Thank you again for your competent and entertaining feedback, have fun and drive safe :) Cheers!

[@RiderTianQing]

I reached 190kmh before 1000kms

[@ledrazz802]

Sir, thank you for your feedback, in one comment you just swept away all my concerns about the fueling and that "gap" near 4.500 rpm that journalists report...thanks!

[@shanekeat7473]

Loved your review, I'm actually looking to buy one. I have met a bloke that had one, he said the fueling is a mapping issue and he had it dinoed and remapped and that fixed it, he said breaks were good but he puts braided lines on all his bikes. He put knobbys on his but still found off road it's adequate but not good. He said on road its amazing.

[@clue0001]

Thanks for this in-depth review. I really wanted to see how this bike behaves. I hope they update the ECU map for it, to fix that fueling issue. 🙂👍🏻

[@stevesanelli90]

Here in Australia the importer has developed their own ECU & map that gets it close to 95% better with the fuelling issue. The brakes must be pad material because it has braided lines. Maybe the master cylinder needs new fluid through it?🤔 Have sold lots in Australia. Thanks for your review ✅

[@ianross225]

Great review and appreciate the honesty. Saw this at the NEC and stunned by the fit and finish. Too many bugs as yet for me. ATAS will stay!

[@peter58murray]

change the pads for EBCs they transform the brakes....also the fuelling is a known issue ...a remap will cure that

[@christosphillips3568]

LooooL..."middle-aged men in lycra" 😂😂 liked and subbed just for that !! Oh and BTW the goats in Greece are a sign for caution, you might just come across one after a turn , sitting right in the middle of the street and get acquainted with it in rather undesirable fashion!

[@GarryMcGovern]

Been a long time since I did another bike review, but have 3 on the way, whenever I can get time to finish them (damn this real job that keeps getting in the way! Haha!). Cheers man!!!

[@williamstones1773]

Ok, can you elaborate on the brake issue, is it that they lack initial feel or bite, are they just not strong enough? The fueling issue it seems could be simply rectified i suppose, but not knowing when it comes on or off, makes it a bit difficult to understand. I suppose I would not compare this to a KTM or BMW, but rather against a Vstrom or KLR 650 or similar bikes. All of them are shocking when it comes to some items but have other qualities that endear them to riders. After watching this I would give it a test ride and see how it feels. I would feel better about the chance of dropping this off road as opposed to the much more expensive KTM. You would have more money left over to replace parts that may be lacking like brake lines or pads or even master cylinders. Most modern bikes have too many electronics so I do not mind if it has less than others! Good review mate.

[@GarryMcGovern]

This has as many - if not more - electronics than any of it's more expensive 'rivals' like the KTM Adventure 890 or Tiger 900, but considering it's been released in the UK with a MUCH higher price tag than was originally stated, it no longer has any benefits over those too: for the extra few hundred quid, I'd go one of them two, for as good as this bike was - it wasn't as good as them! Cheers. 😉

[@sethbutcher1358]

Loving your 'absolute nonsense' Garry. I've done over 4,000kms on my 800mt and would absolutely agree that the fueling is hideous. The emergency stop that happens on the merest of throttle roll-off has nearly killed me a few times. My brakes, however, are fine. They did take a while to bed in, and the back brake isn't the fiercest, but it's probably where it needs to be for offroad riding. And I've had no excessive play with the gear selector, that you suffered. All in all it's been a top bike so far.

[@GarryMcGovern]

Cheers Seth. It is a great bike, and when I tested a new Tenere 700 the next day (editing as we speak!!), I actually say it in that review of how I enjoyed the 800MT, and that the more I thought of it afterwards, the more I enjoyed it!! In fairness, I probably was pushing those brakes a bit more than the designers were expecting, but having ridden an Adventure 890 and Tiger 800 (haven't ridden the 900 yet or the Beemer 900), I know they could have been better. Having said that, maybe different pads and braided hoses would solve the issue, I mean, Brembo must have seen something in the company! And I guess the quickshifter issue was just me being really thorough in my overall appraisal, and as I'm more used to a quickshifter on sport/race bikes, it's probably something I could adjust to, because my god did I have a laugh on that bike! I think I did about 230-240km in total (and which you can see from the video, wasn't ridden like Miss Daisy!), so without a doubt you have a top bike there my man, a brilliant piece of kit....... they just need to do something about the sidestand! 🤣 Enjoy my man, and cheers for the honest feedback - still trying to work out what the hell I'm doing!! 🤣

[@dagsy666]

My 800mt has braided brake lines from new, first batch delivered to Australia, the bike you tested did not have braided lines?

[@denchua]

I like this type of review. More relevant to the regular rider than normal reviewers. I suppose I don't need to bring up the needed improvement on the camera angle while riding it. hehe

[@GarryMcGovern]

Haha! I know, wrecking my head every time I watch it as the roads were so great. But without using my own helmet where I have a GoPro mount, I had nowhere else to put the camera but that chest mount. It was only my first proper review video though, so hopefully in future if I get to do more over here, I can use my own helmet and mount, and get some proper footage of the road instead! Cheers for the comment though my man! 👍

[@lakesbiker7286]

Nice one Garry, honest review, AND putting yer money where yer mouth is....Respect! Were the brakes shite like? Were they just soft no feel or no power? Such a shame for what could be a relatively good package?

[@GarryMcGovern]

Mostly sheer lack of power, as it's not a light bike, so had a fair amount of mass to haul back. Now as I said in the video, I fully accept that the vast majority of owners will never ride it like I did, but as it has an absolute stormer of an engine with fantastic suspension - with those amazing roads, I honestly couldn't help myself! So I just thought it was a pity, that as a bike that could really hustle like a Supermoto if you really wanted to (showing the sheer breadth of talent the bike had) the brakes were such a weak link that didn't let you ride like as much of a hooligan as the rest of the bike will let you. Now, it was a brand new bike, literally only registered that week, so 'maybe' it needed more time for the pads to bed in (though I did do about 230km on it), or maybe a change to braided hoses and a different set of pads would solve it. But some people have been giving me grief for saying it, saying 'they' don't have a problem with theirs. But I don't know how they want me to reply: if you're riding it nice and easy, using it for touring or long distances, enjoying the surroundings and scenery, then yeah, you probably won't ever test the outer extremes of the brakes, and so won't have a problem with them. But the fact is, that bike is more than capable of tackling fast roads and twisty corners easily with a stupid grin on your face, so if you ARE the type of rider who likes all the touring aspect, but every now and again want to let your hooligan side out, then yeah, I think it's important that people know that, seeing as having ridden a KTM Adventure and a Triumph Tiger (I've not ridden a BMW GS900 yet), I know both those bikes have the brakes to match their power and suspension. I dunno, I can only give my honest opinion based on my own experiences of it: I've been riding well over 30 years, raced everything from 400's to 1000cc Superbikes, and am currently an actual track instructor here at Mondello Park in Ireland (as well as personally owning 9 bikes myself in the garage, from a 71 Bonneville to a Panigale S!): but I guess sometimes people find honesty offensive - though fortunately the vast majority so far have appreciated it!! 😉 Cheers my man!!

[@lakesbiker7286]

@@GarryMcGovern well I really appreciate you taking the time to share your experience of the bike with us. As soon as you mentioned a ktm motor I was enthralled and I could tell you were enjoying hustling about the corners. I ve got the Ktm.690 duke and desperately want to trade up to the bigger KTMs.... this could be just the ticket....maybe? Hopefully the Juan brakes just need a tune up like you say better pads lines or both. I'm going to look for a test ride. I look forward to your next video Garry. Keep it rubberside down 👍👏🏍🏁

[@michaellilley6725]

A thoroughly entertaining review leaving no holes barred, even heated or unheated ones 😂 Glad you got the point across " the brakes are shite!!" it's the only way to describe Shite brakes really. Ignore those who say "Oh the brakes on mine are fine" I heard similar from others reviewers, who are obviously part of the white knuckle brigade. Owning a ZZR 1400 I understand the importance of one/two fingers at the most stopping power. OK it's got Brembo's but even my FZ1-S with its Nissin's does the same, all finger controlled, No ABS....No B.S. Please keep doing more reviews, I'm tired of and unsubscribing from the bought and payed for Pro's, who can do nothing but Gush to please their sponsors.

[@GarryMcGovern]

Many, many thanks my man. I was asking myself was it worth it to do more, as holy feck, people do get offended with me just being honest - even if I was 90% positive about the thing! But the positive comments and feedback from the likes of yourself has been brilliant, so feck it: I'm not getting paid for it, and it was good craic doing them, so if others are enjoying them too - then bugger it, I'll keep going. (Just need to find more gobshites to give me a bike to test!! 🤣). Cheers!!

[@michaellilley6725]

@@GarryMcGovern Thank you very much for your reply, I'm glad myself and others have spurred you on in your quest for truthful reviews 👍 Seems like me, you enjoy the flack you get from "goodie two shoes". Be careful though, they'll be labelling you a Conspiracy theorist next, Bacofoil will be offering you a sponsorship deal to review their tinfoil hats 😂 Loved your quip about Boris too, he's a fanny and his wife's a dick ( those that can't see it believe in fairy tales). Coming from Scotland I'm surrounded by supporters of Killer Krankie who's as barking as the Queen's Corgie. How come she's not spouting off about Oil, Water, Hydro electric, North sea fish and millions of acres of prime agricultural land, now everyone's struggling? Amidst this World of corruption and lies, Truth is the greatest weapon!!

[@occyman]

I’ve just sold my 2020 GS1250 for one of these and the brakes take a few hundred kms to bed in but it was only about 250km…bedding in was simple and just like we did in the old days…some good hard repeated stops and now they are great…..but yeah your an internet expert so we will just ignore those who own one all agree with you. Oh and I ride an S1000RR everyday which will smoke your fat bloated ZZR1400 sport tourer.

[@michaellilley6725]

@@occyman Oh we do have our head up our own RR's don't we!! I'm no expert, but I know a fan boy when I come across one. By the time your RR's gets into gear and up the rev band my ZZR will be leaving you for dust. Sure it wasn't designed for the track but it still holds the crown as the World's fastest production motorcycle. Size matters more than your wife has led you to believe 😂

[@occyman]

@@michaellilley6725 that’s hilarious and strangely what every Hayabusa rider says and your both wrong. S1000RR a lot more HP, a lot less weight…it’s simple mathematics mate. But hey dreams are free…..

[@kineticenergy2tadventures763]

Nice review verry honest

[@akisalaib6844]

Im an owner of that bike, I noticed this quick shifter problem as well. sometimes it doesnt changes the gear. but except that i love it actually. how can i improve the shifter tho

[@Tec2Nut]

CF moto can do a firmware update via your phone to solve the fueling

[@waynemac9869]

Let's see how it handles the Australian conditions, over the next few years and see what breaks.

[@GarryMcGovern]

You'll be right mate..... just don't use the brakes!! 🤣🤣

[@milesdavis8665]

Seems I might need to stick with a suzuki vstrom 1050xt. Or wait a year or two for them to work the kinks out. Great review

[@GarryMcGovern]

I dunno..... that heated seat on the CFMoto sounds awful tempting!! 🤣🤣 Cheers my man! 👍

[@milesdavis8665]

@@GarryMcGovern indeed 😆

[@milesdavis8665]

@@GarryMcGovern I forgot to ask the other day,. Are the breaks that bad? I heard Brembo bought J Juan so some technology should have been shared. And I see that engine is pretty potent. I wouldn't expect nothing else from KTM engines though. Great review my man...

[@tonybland9226]

Totally agree with your assessment of the fueling, I test rode this bike it's bloody dangerous, the front brake almost pulled back to the throttle grip, a shockingly shite bike.

[@chadkline4268]

There sure is a lot of competitors in the motorcycle market these days: BMW, RE, Triumph, Honda, Kawi, Yamaha, Suzuki, Harley, Indian, Ducati, Aprillia, CF Moto, etc. Over a dozen.

[@gilcomnz]

Grant here from NZ . I own one of these bikes and the fueling issues come right after 2000 klms or so. Mine is beautiful now but yep. Was terrible when new. My brakes are fine too. How many Klms/ miles had that bike done

[@lakesbiker7286]

Its brand spanking if you listen to the video

[@lakesbiker7286]

Its brand spanking as hes says in the video

[@udishtelman687]

I have been riding the sport model for about 5k km and see no issues with the brakes,they are just fine. The throttle thing yes i noticed but got used to it no problems. The bike is wonderful on road. The side stand I don't see an issue as you mentioned. Il just love the bike!

[@lakesbiker7286]

Is the sport different to the tourer?

[@udishtelman687]

@@lakesbiker7286 same specs exactly as the tourer aside from the extra accessories

[@johnnieuwenhuizen606]

i like the bike also here in Australia , but i also get the same problem as you , thought it was something to do with the Mapping and also the severe wind buffeting behind the Screen, i am almost 6' 3 , the good Lady says its reasonably comfy on the back , thanks for the great review. 😁👍🍺🍺 JOHN & TANINA @ Australia

[@GarryMcGovern]

Many thanks John!! Though I'm not going to feel sympathy with you for the wind buffeting: I'm only 5' 9.5".... I'd LOVE to be bloody 6'3"!!!! 🤣🤣 But a brilliant bike though, I had an absolute blast on it overall, and I'm glad you could see that I genuinely believed that it was a cracker - despite my whinging on the brakes (pads and braided hoses Garry!) and mapping (get a Power Commander Garry!). 🤣 Cheers John & Tanina!! 🍻🍻

[@milesdavis8665]

They are putting Brembos on the new 1250 TR-G coming out. They should have put them on this bike as well.

[@apostoliw]

Did you had this on rain mode or sport mode? There has been a reference to the electric throttle that is abnormal but not a fuel cutoff ever mentioned this an ADV not a tenere T7 I have seen several videos you are the first complain about the brakes

[@GarryMcGovern]

Sport mode. Not sure what you mean about 'adv not a tenere'. As for other videos - I've never watched any other review videos of this bike, and I wouldn't base my opinions on what others say anyway: this was my experience of the bike, and I can only say it as I see it. Granted, as I say in the video, it's doubtful the average buyer of this bike would be riding it the way I did, so they may never see where the limits are on the brakes, and it may only need a pad upgrade or braided lines. But brand new, out of the box - I can only give my own personal, honest opinion on it (which I think is clear WAS actually overwhelmingly positive!), and considering how capable the bike was on the road with such a great engine and suspension, it's a pity the brakes couldn't match them. But this is only my opinion on it - people may not agree, but at least I'm 100% honest. Cheers!

[@MrVaraja]

Complains about everything seems like a very biased opinion

[@lakesbiker7286]

@@MrVaraja sounds like an honest review to me.

[@Thomas-wk5ll]

Hello from Australia Did you end up riding this bikes again. This is the first time I have heard that the brakes are shite, could it be that the brakes were still running in ?? I have heard other reviews saying that the mapping is out of whack I hope they can fix the fuelling. As for the side stand, there have een a few new bikes with shitty side stands for example the new klr. But you would think that a bike that markets it self on as a mid range touring bike. I love Greece, you lucky bastard, that's the only down side of Aus it does not matter how far you ride it's still Australia. I have a family home in lemnos Greece and I would love to live a bit closer Safe riding

[@GarryMcGovern]

They'd be grand around town or normal riding, they just showed themselves up as shite when I as really pushing on. Granted, the bike isn't really designed for that sort of riding, but it was a pity as the bike was so capable of it. I reckon braided hoses and a better set of pads would help immensely, though seeing as CFMoto have greatly increased the price of this bike in the UK since I reviewed this - I'd head towards Triumph or KTM instead now, as it no longer has it's price tag as it's USP (though there still may be a massive difference in Oz, so that may not be relevant to you guys). I lived in Oz for years, and though you say 'no matter how far you ride, you're still in Australia'..... there's still as much diversity in Oz than the whole of Europe, and I bloody loved it there!!! 😉

[@Thomas-wk5ll]

Yes we have long history and a huge diversity,we have a new museum dedicated to an old rusty nail which they found, would you believe it was found buried the to an old horse shoe. They were both carbon dated and were found to be made at least 220 years old. There is talk about the artefacts being put on our new $ 2.00 coins and perhaps even postage stamps. Yes it's a great country I. Thinking of whipping over to Paris for a day trip Just kidding I love it here, the human animal is hard to please . Take care and be safeb7u

[@TheJessefuji]

What are they brakes like?

[@sidewaysgt4]

"I don't even know what the speed limit is here" "Pretty sure it's not 140kmh though" 🤣🤣🤣🤣😉😉😉😉

[@GarryMcGovern]

'The throttle got stuck officer'!!! 🤣🤣🤣

[@paulblatchford4234]

I have a Cf Moto 650 I know its not the same bike but it has the same brand J .juan brakes on it and I can tell you they are really strong brakes in my experience I've been riding for 40 years now and had all the bikes you can think of and I've been more then happy with the brakes on mine they supply brakes for world superbike teams I would suggest that your bike was not set up properly or had a problem, or as you say they have dropped the ball on this model but id be surprised to be honest cheers

[@chrisgray2851]

Power commander and brembo calipers so 🤙

[@GarryMcGovern]

Now THAT is the best idea yet - why the feck didn't I think about that?? 🤣

[@lakesbiker7286]

@@GarryMcGovern only another thousand euro on the price tag 😂🤣

[@GarryMcGovern]

@@lakesbiker7286 🤣

[@nguyenblake8905]

absolute legend! Farting while reviewing the bike hahaaa

[@GarryMcGovern]

I'm a professional right to the end!!! 🤣🤣🤣 Cheers my man!!!! 👍

[@mrnoisy4883]

So the brakes are shite, right?

[@GarryMcGovern]

🤣🤣

[@georgeblumenthal7938]

This is the first review to slam the brakes. I wonder if it was just this bike.

[@SamuraiThePunisher]

So it doesnt worth it right?

[@GarryMcGovern]

It's an excellent bike, and is definitely great value compared to the rivals from Triumph, KTM or BMW. IF you don't ride it on the roads as hard as I did, then my frustration with the brakes won't be of concern to you, but overall, I would find it VERY hard justifying spending the extra £2500-£3000 on one of the other bikes, even taking that in to account. Put it this way - you won't feel short-changed or disappointed if you bought one.

[@jesterm7597]

This bike is listing at £11k in UK. What an absolute joke - ludicrously overpriced when you consider what good value the cf moto 650 is. Got greedy I suppose - unsellable in UK unless they discount heavily and throw in their old 0% finance deal imo.

[@GarryMcGovern]

I read this last week on either MCN or Visordown and was shocked. That's a MASSIVE jump in what they've been saying all year, and totally changes my perspective on it. Tiger 900 starts at £11,500 (£12,100 for the Rally version), and good as the CF Moto was/is, it isn't a patch on the Tiger - not even close. They've basically lost their number one selling point now by increasing the price this much - if I could make this video again, I would have to say no.

[@Tec2Nut]

Bremo breakes they own them

[@chadkline4268]

FxxxGS killer?

[@nunofernandescabral7116]

J.Juan its a spanish brand and belongs to Brembo. It's not from China.

[@GarryMcGovern]

Well if you had bothered to watch the video, you would have clearly heard me say that.

[@nunofernandescabral7116]

Don't be worried. You made a very good presentation. Even here in France a lot of people thinks that. It's because Juan looks like a chineses names like Xuan. But you rigth, I didn't notice it probably because of my english understanding.😇😇😇😇

[@GarryMcGovern]

@@nunofernandescabral7116 Haha! No worries man - your English is still far better than my Spanish (and Spain has far better roads too!! 🤣). Cheers!

[@snowlion8352]

😊😊😊👍👍👍

[@akisalaib6844]

Oh you're in Greece

[@frankmlchaelglasscock6539]

You are saying the opposite to all the reviews I have watched not to sure about you

[@GarryMcGovern]

Mine was the first review in the UK or Ireland and one of first anywhere in the world. This review is also TWO YEARS AGO, and I already know that CF Moto have changed the engine mapping since then. To be honest mate, I don't really care what other reviewers thought about it, I based my review on MY experience, and I'm not influenced by anyone else's. I also paid for the hire of the bike MYSELF, so I cannot be influenced by the manufacturer either - the video is pretty self-explanatory., you make your own choices man.

[@beebeer]

"SHITE" 😂😂

[@MultiOutdoorman]

i subscribed just for the fart and hones tpub talking style ... great ! No bike is perfect and im sure all the gripes are fixable eh ?

[@davidhobson7851]

These brakes are shite, I love this bike….. repeat all the way to the dealers to buy one

[@wowyzaoy]

this is a very capable and well featured bike for so little money. this is how the Japanese and Koreans did it, now its the Chinese.

[@ianross225]

Without wishing to be pedantic, the Japanese innovated and the Chinese copied. I see no innovation.

[@wowyzaoy]

@@ianross225 dang, even in motorcycling, there are China haters. good for you son.

[@ianross225]

@@wowyzaoy Not a hater, a waiter to see if they’re as good as they seem.

[@wowyzaoy]

​@@ianross225 no, of course not. I should have understood the opposite of what you've wrote. tell me, is that the Chinese, Martian, or English way of written communication?

[@seanobrien5520]

The Japs copied in the 60s but improved on the British shite immediately ​@@ianross225

[@MrVaraja]

How strange, everything wrong with this bike?, I saw more than 20 tests and none says all this, so I must assume that he is not being honest, Cf mot has shown an excellent balance between price and quality, also mounts components known as j juan , bosh, kayaba, etc. of which almost everyone thinks very well, but if for you it is not, I'm sorry but your opinions lack support.

[@GarryMcGovern]

I complained about everything and was 'biased'? Huh? How could I be 'biased'?? Judging by your comment above buddy, it is clearly YOU who are biased, and are upset that I dared to complain about ANYTHING on this bike! I complained about TWO things: the brakes and the fuelling, and CLEARLY said the bike was excellent in every other aspect. I said it many times how much I enjoyed riding the bike and even said at the end I would buy one - if the brakes were sorted. I don't care about any other review on this bike and never watched any other video as I don't care about anyone else's opinion only mine. So grow up son and stop acting like a child: CF Moto didn't pay me or give me the bike for free like other testers, I actually PAID to rent this bike myself from my own money, so NO way could I be influenced, like those other testers who were probably too afraid to say anything bad as they wouldn't be given a bike again. You ignored EVERYTHING positive I said on this bike, and just focussed on two things: and because you have some sort of weird fixation on this manufacturer, you refuse to listen to honest, UNBIASED critique on the bike: Pathetic.

[@filthymcnastyazz]

Really need to learn how to pronounce things.

[@DNOYPIANGLER]

j, juan lol

[@ABetterYou1993]

It's Brembo. lol