CF Moto 450 MT update - Fuel economy + motorway riding + two up + crash protection

[@davidz8]

I have just had the first service done on my 450MT, I did the first 600 miles in 2 weeks, I can't stay off it, it is a fantastic bike,. The power and torque figures are 60% of aT7, but it feels more like 80%, I have come off a T7 World Raid and the fun factor is so much more on the MT. At £5699 it is a bargain.

[@jmroyle]

@davidz8 who are you insured with in the UK for that bike? All the comparison sites don't have it listed, only bennetts but they won't insure me, any ideas?

[@davidz8]

@@jmroyle I am insured with Bikesure, I had a classic XL250r already insured with them so they added it to that policy. They know about the bike, better to call them as it is such a new bike the mainstream insurers have never heard of it yet.

[@christopherpekel6096]

Yeah, thats because 40hp vs 80hp doesnt mean you go twice as fast People dont understand this weirdly

[@horridstoney]

What was the price for this first service?

[@davidz8]

@@horridstoney £45 as they didn't charge me any labour, which was a really nice surprise. Most people seem to be paying around £150 for a first service.

[@didiermartin9386]

Strangely enough I have just returned from an 8 months journey that took me to Turkey, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Iran, Afghanistan etc… on a 650 Vstrom, no issues really apart from struggling a little off-road so I tested the MT450 the other day and have already ordered one. I have rode around the world many times on different bikes but the MT is exactly what I have been looking for. Can’t wait to head to India with it next April.

[@don_alex_97]

can't wait to see you going around the world with the 450 MT!

[@RoadsideWanderer]

It's funny because I'm looking to do a large trip from Europe to SE Asia, through similar countries as you just mentioned, but was afraid that my current V-Strom 650 was just too heavy to do what I want to do with it. So to see you and the people from that video all mention changing the Vstrom for the CFMoto is very interesting!

[@didiermartin9386]

@ the Vstrom will do the job easily, no worries at all, but the MT450 might make it even easier.

[@RoadsideWanderer]

@@didiermartin9386 Yeah my thought was that the V Strom will get me to my destination, but as someone who likes to go off the beaten path and explore around, I think the MT will make that better doable. Also my V Strom is from 2008, and its age is starting to show, so a new bike would not be a bad idea anyway. Thanks for the advice!

[@leslieaustin151]

What a bike! Sounds like it’s going to make a lot of riders (and pillions?) happy. Another good, honest, review. Thanks Nathan. Les

[@davidmatthews3093]

I think it’s an excellent real world bike. I have just got back from a week away in eastern France and southern Germany with a quick visit to Austria and Liechtenstein thrown in. Yesterday I rode home from Alsace to south western France. I rode 750 km on D roads and had a great ride. By keeping off the main roads I was empty roads for most of the day, sheer bliss. There is no need to have a big powerful bike and use motorways to cover big distances. My 500X has a range of over 300 miles but I normally stop more frequently than that so always have plenty in reserve. Yesterdays average mpg was 3.1 litres to 100 km and that’s high 80s mpg. These middleweight bikes are really the way forward.

[@andyc750]

looks like they may have a winner on their hands and might be the bike that brings CFmoto general acceptance into the biking world and hopefully it will push the other manufacturers into looking at what they are building and the pricing

[@paulharvey5053]

Totally agree everything seems to be bloated and over priced

[@BikingChap]

Well Honda have the NX500 and for road work that's where I'd go. No issues with get demos, parts or panels for that...

[@domenik8339]

​@@BikingChap You will absolutely have issues with finding nx500 parts. I had issues finding cb500x parts and my bike was less than 5 years old!

[@BikingChap]

@@domenik8339 surprised to hear that, EU regs stipulate they have to be made available for at least 7 seven years iirc. Something the Chinese manufacturers and importers often ignore of course.

[@djwarren5081]

Just what I'd expect from him. A no nonsense review. Good bike, what's not to like?

[@steves5382]

Hopefully these bike will open the eyes of bigger manufacturers.

[@BikingChap]

In what way? Surely Honda already has this covered with the NX500?

[@scottmitchell1578]

KLR 450!

[@yards101]

@@BikingChap Not with the wheels on it

[@BikingChap]

@@yards101 fair enough if you want to only use it off road then I guess.

[@steves5382]

@@BikingChap In the way of reasonably priced for some people.

[@lycian123]

I highly recommend Uncle Wang and his cat. Just got to the first running period and can now rev to 6000 and stop cyclists overtaking me. Replaced bash plate, put on crash bars, added fog lamps (like I'm ever going to need them in Fuerteventura), printed a decent holder for the GoPro, added a TPMS and a daft Carplay. Quality is a bit bizarre as I'm not familiar with current production values but the swing arm looks high quality. Plastic has a weird shading which works well but makes me think I'm 66 years old. Everything else seems OK but the Switchgear might fade and Uncle Wang prices them around 30 quid. There's lots of bits to this bike that makes it different: There's a plug that's connected to the ignition so you can connect extras, the bars have ready mounting points, there's screw holes on the nice swing arm for bobbins etc. It has no vices, none. Try and find one. It just seems so well thought out and not like a 6 month Suzuki production run.

[@fellmonkey]

Been following your channel which I found out about this bike. Really do appreciate your honest approach and remind me of many experienced bikers I have met over the years. Being new to bikes this means a lot. I had not originally considered this bike over the 310 GS, but the slight difference in weight has me re thinking it for a first, and keeper bike.

[@neilbenton1152]

Had mine 2 weeks now in the fastest colour grey 😂 my other bike is a aprilla tuono factory its now sitting in the shed covered in cobwebs because of this 450mt !

[@wradford1]

I have a 1000r Tuono and an 1100 v4 Tuono factory, and I have just ordered a grey 450 MT after test riding one straight after getting back from doing the Colorado BDR on a KTM 890 Adventure R. Looking forward to some Western Australian adventures on my new 450MT. I hope it gets here soon. It feels like the 890ADV R's younger brother.

[@neilbenton1152]

@@wradford1 you're gonna like this bike mate I did the 15t sprocket on mine as its mainly a road bike but looking forward to getting off road 😉

[@slakk5093]

So cool how you offer your bikes for people to get a decent testride. I'd happily pay money to get a proper test ride before I put a deposit on at the dealer

[@nccartstudio]

Thanks for the review, very clear on the positives of the bike. Will wait to see how you found it off road.. look forward to watching that.

[@nathanthepostman]

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[@robertkeoghane2554]

If itchy boots gets one of these, that's game over, they will outsell all competitors!

[@marcusthompson4931]

The only problem seems to be getting one! If I were to replace my 411 itfeels like the 450MT would be a better choice than the 450 Himalayan. The fuel economy difference works out to under £20/1000 miles which is a small price to pay for all the advantages

[@soggybawsmoto]

If i wasnt so emotionally invested in my 2022 KTM 390 Adventure, id buy one of these in a heartbeat. My Mrs bought me my 390 after i tortured myself over buying ANOTHER unescessary bike and i love it dearly. Never been like that with a bike before.

[@chrishart8548]

Haven't ridden either but I prefer the cb500x with some wire wheels over the ktm 390. That little engine in the ktm just doesn't seem enough. And physically I was really surprised how big the 390 seemed

[@1990-t1j]

The fairing and side plastic look good. Attractive bike. I wil be interested in seeing how reliable it is.

[@marinsrok6100]

Seems like a great bike, now only need a couple of years to see how reliable it is

[@CosmikDebriis]

I'm absolutely loving mine. Unfortunately, due to a recent motorbike accident, I can't take it off road yet but it's great fun on the road, and the handling seems far better than it ought to be for a 21" front wheeled bike. Engine is a masterpiece. Only thing I would say, 15t front sprocket is an absolute must.

[@neilbenton1152]

I'm in England and cannot find said 15t sprocket for mine any suggestions buddy?

[@CosmikDebriis]

@@neilbenton1152 Me too. It's the same as the CF Moto 650NK and there are loads on eBay I bought mine from JT sprockets for £10.43 and it's a straight swap You don't need to add any links to the chain, just slide the rear wheel forward.

[@davidmatthews3093]

I’ve got two bikes with 21” front wheels and I think they handle really well. I think it’s a case of reality being different than the myth.

[@heinschwartz7941]

To the point as always Nathan. Good job 👍

[@Ulrich-ih1qm]

A great looking bike with good specs. I usually ride long distances, not necessarily the "most dangerous roads ever" or "highest passes ever" - as it comes. No rally style...I usually have time when travelling. My questions to the user community; 1) Does it share any parts with KTM. ( After having owned 2 x KTMs, both of which were an absolute nightmare, I would be very hesitant to have a bike that has any KTM parts on it. Not a single screw to be shared with KTM) 2) How easy are basic services....access to battery, cleaning of air filter. Does the tank needs to be taken off to reach the air-filter ? 3) Are the oil change intervals still 5,000 km ? 4) Does it have a main stand ? Thanks

[@alternativeperception6949]

These certainly do look amazing and perform well . I read a comment on another video saying that they were struggling to sell the Honda crf300l and suspected the CF moto was the reason why

[@chrishart8548]

Crf300l isn't really a very useful bike. If if was a 400cc it would make a lot more sense in the UK.

[@alternativeperception6949]

I often wonder why they were so popular because the suspension needing instant money spending on it rules it out for Me . I see a Japanese engine in Chinese (of old ) chassis . I think Honda sent a trail bike out with servicing in the thousands when everyone else was still only doing high maintenance Enduro bikes

[@chrishart8548]

@@alternativeperception6949 I still preferred the KLX over the CRF

[@markmccann-wood2225]

Cracking review Nathan, real world no BS straight to the point 👍 Even with a seat cover I get a numb ass on my CRF in 20 miles. This would be the next bike I buy but need to scratch an itch for a Urban GS - got a soft spot for that air-cooled boxer engine

[@greglenoir7674]

Happy to hear this positive review, I want one.

[@willyd-adv]

Im at 3500km on mine, competed in 2 rallys and haven't treated it well. It's been bloody amazing, not had a single issue Oh and the higher rally seat is waaaaaay comfier

[@angeldelrio8482]

how tall are you bro?

[@willyd-adv]

@@angeldelrio8482 186cm or 6"1

[@roytoal9947]

Just noticed uncle wang does auxiliary fuel tanks , that go on the side of the seat unit, 7 litres I believe

[@DevoidFX]

This is such a tempting "upgrade" to the '23 Vstrom 650XT I have right now. My only problem is I haven't reached the limits of what the 650 XT can do, so from a hassle and financial point of view, I can't justify it. If I was in the market to buy a bike now, I would 90% go with the 450 MT because it's more modern, more off-road oriented and waaay better looking. The only possible problem I have with it is the long term reliability and servicing under warranty, which depends a lot on the country you are in.

[@MalleeMate]

Good tip with Uncle Wang, his stuff is solid 👌👌

[@MultiOutdoorman]

Hiya Nate. Isn't there supposed to be a seat upgrade that's plusher and a tad taller ?

[@phillipchandler8862]

Allways good to hear your opinions Nathan. Apparently some people are going up one tooth on the front sprocket to lower the rpm a bit. Depends I suppose if it would compromise the technical off road stuff if that's important. I'm thinking of changing to the MT from my 890 adventure R. Big old thing the 890.

[@chrishart8548]

Is that the S or the adventure R

[@phillipchandler8862]

​@@chrishart8548 It's 23 R. Haven't used it much to be honest not even 2000 miles. Ready to race is what it's all about but it will happily cruise around. Reckon the MT would be more manageable.

[@chrishart8548]

@@phillipchandler8862 that's nice. I think the cheaper S version would be a mistake on paper it's not a great spec. It's just a way to offer a cheaper version.

[@Max_Marz]

Friend of mine got a CF moto bike, I believe the CL and he loves it. If this one comes to the US it will be really hard not to get one of these to give my aging F650GS dakar a rest. I'm not sure any bike will ever top the comfort and *cough* crotch feel of that particular GS for me though.

[@christianweller4288]

Not uncommon for companies in China to call the founding director “Uncle”. I’ve worked with several companies where this has been the case. I even managed Uncle status in once company but that’s because I was really old.LOL

[@g.cotter4256]

This is a bike I seriously considered but was put off by the dealer back up, today I read that my nearest dealership Colchester Kawasaki is closing. For CF-Moto to get consumer confidence then a solid dealership network needs to be in place.

[@nathanthepostman]

Agreed, tho it seems dealerships of all persuasions are closing; Harley, KTM, BMW, triumph. Hard to know where your money's safest

[@tomcooney183]

I rode this and the himalayan back to back and I hated the MTs Snatchy throttle, awkward steering. The Himmy was relaxed, comfortable and confidence inspiring. Didnt get to test them off road though, that may have had an effect, Also the MTs problems seemed like they could be fixed with an ecu flash and different tires.

[@nathanthepostman]

They do have an ECU update coming through the dealers soon which should remedy the throttle. Would be interesting to try it with different tyres. They do feel a bit wooden.

[@jamesvalpuesta]

In Australia they have accessed the throttle update on line about a month ago. Must be available for the UK ?

[@tomcooney183]

@@nathanthepostman yea I felt like the tires had the feeling of being under inflated

[@nathanthepostman]

​@@jamesvalpuestathe bike in Europe doesn't have the tbox sync that riders outside of Europe can use to upload updates. We've got to go back to the dealers for it. But there was a work around video on the owners forum the other day so will have a look

[@martinfretwell]

Most bikes like this t7 ect have jerry throttle it the emissions. You soon ride around it and it's no problem. Lovely bike a small t7

[@TwistofWrist]

Thanks for the Uncle Wang tips. I'm torn between this and the MT800 Explorer. Downgrading from my current Z900 in terms of power would be a huge disappointments but I hope the fun factor makes up for it. On the other hand, the 800MT would be the perfect all-in-1 bike if you can only have 1 bike. The techs are amazing: rear radar, blind spots sensor, etc as I'm using my bike for daily commuting.

[@nathanthepostman]

Some great deals on the 800 currently. £6500 or so for the base model

[@TwistofWrist]

@nathanthepostman I'm in Australia. 😂. However the 800MT does come with lots of stuff: rad/brake/brake fluid guards, 3 lockable soft panniers, etc. And the biggest thing is 15k service interval vs 5k in the 450MT.

[@runeluqman]

I recently got the 2017 Z900 SE. Loving the bike, but my next bike (maybe in 5 years or so?) might be something a bit more comfortable for 2 up riding. Pillions complains about the seat even with short 30km rides. Will buy a 3rd party rear seat for the Z9 soon though.

[@TwistofWrist]

@runeluqman I'm exactly the same. The Z900 was like a gf when you were single. Now older and you want something more comfy that can go for the distance. CFMOTO 800MT-X is coming out in Australia soon. I'll take a look at that

[@twowheelin7361]

Totally agree, loving mine✌🏽

[@MichaelShaw206]

Sorry to come late to the party, but how is the heat off the engine? Some bikes seem to throw more heat than others, and since you have many bikes for comparison, I'd really value your opinion. Thanks for your informative videos. And, reading through the comments, I think you're right about the Kove. I own one and think it's a great dirt bike, but the CFMoto seems more relaxed and comfortable.

[@ryanengelhardt2519]

Next to no heat at all off this engine. When moving above 60km/hr it's not unusual to see coolant temp sitting between 60-70 degrees Celsius.

[@twistandgo3414]

Really like the look of these. How would you say it compares to the Scrambler 400X in terms of performance and all round ability? I have the 400x and love it. Had it off road for an adventure trial last week and only thing letting it down really was the softer suspension, albeit I knew to expect it, but yet surprisingly capable with the new Anakee Wild tyres fitted. You think difference is enough to warrant changing to one of these or fettle the scrambler instead with a Rally Raid kit as the bike suits for all else albeit, it’s a touch smaller for any pillion work i might want to do compared to the 450.

[@adegill9468]

Its good seeing the options...the 411 will take some beating....its a very tried and tested bike...which i think is better than the new 450..... CF looks good im not a motorway rider but in alot of traveling you can't get away from it....i think it's a difficult choice these days as theres alot of different bikes coming out....and we all seem to be going for bikes with cc power from 350 to 450......are we an older generation??or is it to do with costs?? don't know...but hey like the reports and video's...plus carnt beat Devon??...

[@Andre-Mostert]

Liked and subbed, I just moved from the T7 that I stuggled to get the hang off to the Scram 400X. A great bike and so easy to live with. But doing the motorway miles for say an hour of two the Scram is a bit harder work. I am super keen to try this one out or just dropping the dep to see if I can get one on feb. But a great bike by the looks of it and the option to be able to do software updates via your phone and track the bike all part of it is great to have. Keep well.

[@nathanthepostman]

Cheers for the sub Andre. I like the triumph 400 a lot but for motorways I imagine it gets bit tiring

[@Andre-Mostert]

@@nathanthepostman Yes this is true. I am going to see if I can check one out at Biker Treads this weekend and put a deposit down.

[@biker_dale]

Great review and to the point. It definitely ticks a lot of boxes, I'm with you on engine bars, do you need the weight if you're riding it yourself, probably not but as a business I guess theres no question.

[@iainrutherford184]

Great update. I think the bike is going to be very popular #unicorn

[@MoodSwingZX]

Tenere or cheaper... 2 person short rides included?

[@gordboyko769]

Sounds like a great bike .. but I wish it was maybe a 550cc 7-800cc is more power than I need .. and heavier than I’d like . But a 450 is probably a touch low on power for what I want . I think the same bike with a 100 more cc and around 60hp would be the sweet spot .

[@phillipchandler8862]

Like it or not the chinese bike manufacturer's are coming big time. More realistic prices and good bikes. Most of the dealerships are smaller and not so smart as the big boys. Less profit per unit but giving the smaller operation a chance. Similar to years ago. Could they be the saviour mid term?

[@SkylerShaneLee]

I would like to have those mirrows on my KLR. I plan to see is they are availible as an accessory.

[@bonniechops1]

The cfmoto is a better looking bike compared to the Himalayan so the fuel comparison doesn't bother me, great looking bike and ticks all the boxes 💪🏻👌🏻

[@domenik8339]

Quality wise the cfmoto is better than the 450 himmy in every way except mpg.

[@jarjarbinks3193]

@@domenik8339 Could you please list ways CFMoto 450MT is better than the Himalayan 450!?

[@domenik8339]

@@jarjarbinks3193 Two cylinders, far longer maintenance cycles, much better tech. The truth is that they're both pretty good bikes, if the 450mt didn't exist the RE450 would be very attractive, but the truth is that one do them is just a lot better than the other.

[@jarjarbinks3193]

@@domenik8339 Maintenance is more frequent in 450MT than in the Himalayan! Two-cylinder vs one-cylinder is more subjective than an advantage.

[@pawelwolski1316]

My 450 has a very jerky off idle fueling. There is an updated ecu tune directly from cfmoto. I am back in Asia, so I will have to wait for next summer to update my. Are u planning on doing this update? Are u satisfied with the current/"original" ecu tune. Last, as always, I find the short final gearing (6th or even 5th gear) a miss/issue for the highway riding. The engine has plenty of power for much taller upper gears. I am cool with 7000 rpm at about 70 mph on my Rally, with the MT450 7000 at this speed is only 1500 from the red line. Thx for another good vid, will be interesting how the parts fit on the MT. Be aware that the downtubes supporting the skid plate, spring out by few cm when u removed the plate. I now use a strap to hold them in or in place, to prevent damage the welded in nut plates.

[@ginchajsable]

Bike looks cool...but i wonder...i think there will be not enauhht power

[@gnarlybadger690]

Hi Nat, have you got round to finding the true weight of this bike ready to go. The claim by the manufacturer is completely dry I think so would be something to consider, specially comparing to the RE

[@nathanthepostman]

I did weigh it and it was 195 kilos with a full tank

[@frankpinion4937]

Did you actually buy the bike with your own money or simply had it for a test ride?

[@nathanthepostman]

My own money frank

[@goodncold]

I have been looking for a worthy replacement for my 2009 Suzuki VStrom 650. I have been doing more “off-road” stuff and the weight of that bike is too much for me. Other than that a real reliable bike. This one seems to be a nice smaller and lighter version of that (reliability to be seen). Was also looking at the kove 450. But that might be too hardcore for me.

[@Tripleb6036]

Thanks for this video. Pretty helpful as I’m thinking about picking one up for when I’m back in the uk. What’s the service intervals on it?

[@nathanthepostman]

3000 mile oil and filter changes and 24.000 valve check. Probably self service it with the shorter intervals

[@Tripleb6036]

@@nathanthepostman great thanks. Appreciate your reply.

[@safayatjamil2719]

If you install a 15/16 teeth front sprocket, how does it affect the fuel economy? I’m looking forward to do a road trip of about 25000KM. I will mostly be on the road so I would need better fuel economy. I won’t go off road too much. What can I expect?

[@martinharnett6922]

It's a great looking bike

[@randomguy9893]

Hi Nathan, are the wheels tubeless as standard on the 450mt ?

[@nathanthepostman]

Yes they are

[@kawasakiden]

great review love it.👍

[@BillMitchell-lm8dg]

What type(s) of *valve adjustment* do the CFmoto 450MT and the RE Himalayan 450 have, Nathan?

[@nathanthepostman]

It's every 6000 on the Himalayan and 24000 on the cf moto. Both shins. Oil and filter is 6000 on Himalayan and 3000 on cf moto. Pros and cons to both really

[@BillMitchell-lm8dg]

@@nathanthepostman Too bad - the Himmy lost the locknut-and-setscrew adjustment with the higher rpm, I guess. Twice as many shims on the CFmoto, though, due to twice as many cylinders (and both engines having 4 valves-per-cylinder to meet the same emission regs).

[@teneretraveller8980]

That answered a lot of questions. I am on a 650 v strom xt currently, and rode 2up to Croatia with her ladyship on the back. I'm in my 60's and am starting to feel the weight. Can't get a test ride iut east at the moment. Would you go up a tooth on the front sprocket? Ride safe 👍

[@nathanthepostman]

I think you could go up a tooth and many will but I'll do a few more miles on it before having a think. I don't do a lot of motorway miles so I'll be tempted to leave as is. I like the stock gearing for the trails and back roads.

[@teneretraveller8980]

@@nathanthepostman Ta. We're all watching. I need to choose the next bike carefully. In my heart of hearts I know I need to go smaller again.

[@chrishart8548]

V strom 650 xt is a heavy bike. Would consider the cb500x before this. It would probably feel great coming from the V strom. I think the 650 looks as big as the 1000 v strom. I ended up with a bmw F800GS

[@teneretraveller8980]

@@chrishart8548 yes. I actually had a 500x I half rally raided and did the suspension and protection, not the wheels. Loved it, but sold it, unwisely! Tried the Himmy 450 and liked it but the lack of tall screen and the vibes left me uncertain. Not sure about pillion, either. Speed isn't important to me. I travel at 100kph, so 40 to 50 hp is plenty. Ride safe 👍

[@scottmitchell1578]

I’ve got a lot of miles on my Vstrom 650 and it’s a great traveler, so their comparison was very relevant for me. I’ve ordered this bike for the same reasons, lighter weight, a bit more manageable as I get older, versatility. Going to go with the 15 tooth counter sprocket and hope to see it by November in the US!

[@MV-XD2]

CF Moto baffle me. They release a new bike and have hyped it up quite a bit, but the few sent over to the UK are sold out and no bikes for 6 months, plus parts and accessory availability is virtually non existent (and to be honest dealer network - no dealers within 70 miles of me). It seems a great bike but they are shooting themselves in the foot slightly. They’re a big quite well established brand and they can do better IMHO. I’d agree that despite the lower fuel economy the plus point of a smooth twin and the looks lean me towards the MT. Not a fan of the Himalayan or RE in general.

[@nathanthepostman]

I suspect they're just ramping up production and it's taking time. They also seem to have gone for a relatively global launch to all markets at the same time. So what they've built is pretty spread thin. Not sure on the parts supply yet.

[@iangriffiths9930]

@nathanthepostman I had a test ride at the ABR festival and loved it, I wanted to buy one and called a few dealers but couldn’t get one for over 6 months so bought something else…. Great bike but poor organisation by the manufacturer as there was no way I was going to wait 6 months! Shame really.

[@slakk5093]

I went in to a dealer today in australia, they told me two were ordered today by customers. I asked them how long would I wait if I ordered one today, they said 2 week lead time. So it seems they have different supply chains for different countries?

[@RichardHinks-c1h]

It was no different when the t7 and crf300 rally came out ​@@iangriffiths9930

[@scottmitchell1578]

I’m in the US and there was zero hype. It’s still not even listed on the North American website. I found it on the ADV rider email I get and grassroots KZbin. I imagine there would be some challenges with an initial rollout, but it sure doesn’t make any business sense to somewhat risk your company’s reputation on a subpar machine or subpar support. I’m hoping to see mine before November!

[@TobotronPrime]

If anyone wants one get your deposits down ASAP, I ordered mine this week but the wait list for the grey model is April/May 25

[@G-Loco]

Can I ask your opinion mate? Do you think it's an upgrade from an xcape? I know it's down on power, but the weight seems fun, I'm a casual rider +-3k miles a year. 60% motorway at 70mph. 30% b-roads and 10% offroad. I would mount a 15t sprocket.

[@G-Loco]

Also my xcape is out of warranty next year and the 450mt comes with 5 years here in the Netherlands!

[@nathanthepostman]

Hi G. Yes it is a big step up from the Morini. It feels better finished, much lighter and I don't think much slower. The CF Moto is much better for off road. The Morini will cruise on the motorway with a bit more comfort, but as an all rounder it's an easy decision towards the CF moto.

[@G-Loco]

@@nathanthepostman thnx mate, appreciate it. Didn't want to hear that though, costs me money 😉

[@nathanthepostman]

@@G-Loco Haha. Don't blame me!

[@G-Loco]

@@nathanthepostman just ordered one, It drove so smooth compared to the xcape. Thnx for your advise once again!

[@R1vid]

It's true that service interwal is 5000km/3000miles?

[@nathanthepostman]

Yes, oil and filter. Valves at 24,000

[@itsallabouttheridekeepingi4449]

How come you haven’t got a Kovo 450 mate ? , I think the Kovo 800 X would be better than the MT 450 - it’s even lighter ( by about 2kg ) weighted wet by MCM . Personally I would get a T7, or Aprilla 660 - not Chinese and similar weight and more power. I know it cost more but resale value would be WAY better. I possibly buy one second hand same as the Himalayan- pick up a bargain.

[@nathanthepostman]

If you'd like to send me £8500 I'll gladly add a kove 450 to the fleet! To be honest it doesn't hold my appeal as a travel bike. More a rally bike and too peaky for me. Comparison of cf moto to t7 and touereg is not that relevant to me either. Both despite 'only' weighing a bit more feel heavier and I wouldn't take either on the trails I would take the cf. Add in price plus complexity of the aprilia. I don't see much gain on going up to that class if I'm honest, although both great bikes no doubt about it. I think resale on this cf should be ok. High demand, low supply currently, but in this price bracket I don't care so much about resale as I would had I spent £10k. Or care so much about scuffs etc

[@itsallabouttheridekeepingi4449]

@@nathanthepostman fair enough, you also probably hire the bikes as well , I used to do the same , so you obviously recoup outlays their. I just couldn’t buy a “ full Chinese bike mate “ I know the quality and reliability is definitely pretty good now and CF Moto is well established ( also on Australia ) and lots of dealers , also they have become very popular as well . I don’t understand why you didn’t get on with the new Himalayan 450 ? , I quite like it and think it’s design is original and Royal Enfield, even the Kovo 450 is very original for a Chinese bike and the original designer loved bikes , same with the Chinese LS2 helmets- is the story of the little guy making them in his garage. But the MT 450 is a bike copied from other designs buy a big Chinese manufacturer. On that alone I would buy the Himalayan, I know the other Japanese SHOULD off got their crap 💩 together and built a light weight 400-500 twin dual sport/ ADV years ago , but just keep spitting out old refreshed models , I have a Highly modified CRF 300 Rally - why isn’t it a 400/450 by now , and the verses 300 why doesn’t it have the 400 Ninja engine in it yet ? , don’t get me started on Suzuki that just keep spitting out the Suzuki DRZ 400 ( basically unchanged in 20 years ) and Yamaha dropping the WR 250 R a fantastic dual sport - why wasn’t that made into a 500 ? , it’s almost a repeat of the 60,s with the Japanese on UK and European bike now the Chinese are doing that to them . I just don’t like what the Chinese government is that’s my only issue ( if they were a free country I wouldn’t care and be lining up to buy their bikes ) . Anyway love your channel been following you for years, and like you I do prefer smaller now ( for my off road riding anyway) as a wise ADV traveler said once NO ONE ☝️ complains about smaller and lighter JUST BIGGER and HEAVIER. Regards Paul .

[@robm7413]

Is the swingarm drilled for a chain guide?

[@nathanthepostman]

Not sure. Just away at the minute. Can check when back

[@roytoal9947]

I think it's a great value bike I just worry about service and parts , and the time it would take to get fixed if it breaks

[@nathanthepostman]

The beauty of Chinese and Indian bikes is that both countries will supply direct. So hopefully it shouldn't be an issue. No more so than any other new machine. Time will tell

[@toddsnyder7194]

This is the bike I really want but I have never been able to sit on one yet. Has anyone ridden 2 up much? I want my wife to be able to ride with me without much discomfort for rides up to 1 hour. Let me know what you think.

[@julianrose810]

90mpg! What about eco ?

[@nathanthepostman]

Probably a bit more but it's such a horrible setting in my opinion

[@arianricko100]

I am looking for a first bike. I do have european A licence. Because I dont have an experience I am considering 450mt and used V strom 650. Bike will be used for multi day travel. Price with lagguage is the same. what should I get? Highways are important

[@nathanthepostman]

Be worthwhile trying to get a ride on one. The vstrom is heavier, more suited to motorway than the CF. I wouldn't use one on trails tho so if you had any intention of going off road I'd go for the CF Moto.

[@arianricko100]

@@nathanthepostman I will be 70/80% on road. I am planning to ride alps etc with girlfriend. Also We would like to avoid motorways. I like the looks of the CF moto, and 450cc is good for begginer

[@jmroyle]

Can’t find anybody in uk who will insure me on this bike, anybody who has one suggest an insurance company?

[@golddemon7]

Bikesure

[@jmroyle]

All Bikesure have listed is 450SR and 450NK. Seems to be the case on all the comparison sites too. Bennetts was the only one to have it listed and they wouldn’t insure. Did you have to ask Bikesure specifically?

[@manueldiaspereira8347]

Can you please tell me the Brand and Model of the yellow helmet?

[@nathanthepostman]

Yeah it's a shoei ex zero. Really comfortable. Done about 30,000 miles in it. Like it

[@jericohd]

Triumph 400x or MT450? In Mexico cost same

[@nathanthepostman]

Mt450. Just a better all rounder

[@ziruk-king4466]

Most concerning?? What about water in frame issues owners are having?? Chinese quality control??😮😮

[@nathanthepostman]

Not a big deal at all and quickly rectified. KTM cams, Honda rusty spokes and r1300 GS engine replacements are real things to be concerned about. Not a couple of holes that need drilling in non structural down tubes

[@yellownev]

A good initial endorsement… downsides maybe will be as you say lack of replacement parts in the first year or so before the company get the dealers stock ? It’s certainly put another option into the mix and also another type of roll out, low fan fare little KZbin content before the bikes were launched certainly compared to the overhyped 452. Small detail for us shorter riders you can lower the bike by moving the bottom shock onto another hole….. very inventive. Biggest drawback is no test rides ( good for you obviously) maybe would have doubled their order book if we could have sat on one and took one for a spin.

[@slakk5093]

just fyi the old skool DR650 had the same lower mount hole on the shock ;)

[@skaraborgcraft]

So, not as economical as your Honda 500X? I mean 75mpg is not bad, but 90mpg is a significant difference in distance for the same grands worth of fuel. Crash protection.......empty Fray Bentos tins JB welded onto the crank cases works ok for the first 20 metres of tarmac rash.

[@nathanthepostman]

For the sake of a few hundred quid a year in fuel I'd go for a bit of excitement over the Honda any day. Even if it came loaded with pies

[@RawTopShot]

​ Mmm...... Pies..... ❤

[@davidmatthews3093]

@@nathanthepostmanI’ve been away on my 500X and I wouldn’t swap its 100% dependability and road manners for perceived excitement. When you’re covering distances those extra 15 mpg and 100 mile range do count.

[@Free_Ranger_CT110]

As I've said before this bike is definately a watershed bike for Chinese manufacturers.

[@hamzafakir-y9i]

Is it worthy to sell my ktm 390 adv and buy one of these ?

[@nathanthepostman]

Not sure. It's a very good bike the 390. I'm on one in France this week in the mountains on tarmac. For this type of riding it's excellent. Better than the mt. But if it was a trail trip I'd rather be on the cf

[@hamzafakir-y9i]

@@nathanthepostman actually I’m just tired of the vibrations on highway and also low rpm’s and a smoother throttle in low rpms, is the 450 mt the solution, (not looking for more power)

[@nathanthepostman]

​@@hamzafakir-y9iit could be the solution but it's impossible to know for certain without you riding one

[@MsSjaakvaak]

For those weird and rare creatures living on the mainland: 450MT: 75MPG UK = 3.77L/100km = 26.5km/L CB500X: 82MPG UK = 3.43L/100km = 29.2 according to spritmonitor Did you get the mpg from the dash or from calculation the real usage? Because its been said that the dash of the 450 is a bit on the optimistic side

[@nathanthepostman]

It was from calculation

[@MsSjaakvaak]

@@nathanthepostman Thank you, thats great to hear! Now im really lacking reasons for not buying the 450MT!

[@AlexOnABoat]

It does look like a big bike especially with you standing behind it. I guess looks can be deceptive. I've got to say, having drifted away from the ADV sector these smaller capacity bikes are pulling me back. The only fly in the ointment as far as I can see, is that is a bit grey.

[@droflivelife]

Dose uncle do cruise control?

[@nathanthepostman]

Don't think so

[@droflivelife]

@nathanthepostman the bike is so affordable people would be happy to tick the box on options and pay more, heated grips etc

[@neilbenton1152]

Ive just fitted a universal cruise control gadget to mine £17 Ebay works a treat 😂

[@Porsche996driver]

Yeah my 1962 R69S has 44hp was a hot bike then but in 2024 I’d literally get run over on the freeway. We need to cruise 80mph with capability to accelerate from there. This just wouldn’t be safe here.

[@nathanthepostman]

The CF moto isn't for you then. But having ridden in the states I think it'd be fine.

[@volt8684]

Have you seen todays vlog from Oz where water found in frame😮, by Michael waddell

[@nathanthepostman]

Yeah looks like it needs a couple of holes drilling in belly pan supports

[@Al.j.Vasquez]

70 to 80 MPG, for real?

[@nathanthepostman]

UK mpg

[@Al.j.Vasquez]

@@nathanthepostman Weird stuff for me, i didn't know there was an UK mile or gallon that was different from the other one, i use KM/L so that translates to 26.1 ish Kilometers per liter, which is still great because i barely get 25 km/l with my Versys x300.

[@jarjarbinks3193]

@@Al.j.Vasquez The UK (Imperial) Gallon is 4.5 liters, whereas the US Gallon is 3.8 liters.

[@Al.j.Vasquez]

@@jarjarbinks3193 Thank you, that does check out, 70 iMPG is about 25 km/L. That would be great in this bike if you're cruising at 120 km/h with a 15T front sprocket.

[@andrew390]

Still not a light bike

[@nathanthepostman]

Light enough for what it is I think. Noticeably lighter than next class up

[@john-wq8kf]

Sorry I would not like to ride that bike two up, but that’s just my opinion. Some guy found corrosion probs on bottom frame but not sure if that’s a fact. But as bikers we all have our priorities and likes and dislikes

[@tuanoful]

God damn it, the more I see reviews about this bike, the more it sounds too good to be true... please, help! I want it, but I am afraid of Chinese made bikes (I've owned two before and they were total crap)

[@ryanengelhardt2519]

Few personal experiences: - had a guy from another state in Aus visit. Has ridden 3500kms, across the desert of Australia essentially... no issues at all and is continuing his journey elsewhere. - a good friend has one and has given it a solid test on some pretty gnarly single track where the other bikes were WRs and DRZs. Held up fine and made the tracks and whoops look easy. - after that trip, both myself and another friend ordered one. Recieved mine today. These bikes seem extremely refined... There's also a 10,000km review on youtube now, maybe suss that?

[@frankpinion4937]

102 mpg to 107 mpg out of my Meteor 350 for city/ motorway & off road. So yes that's not great from the 450 MT & I've heard that talked about before. The Triumph 400X has much better fuel economy than the 450 MT as you were comparing the 400X loaded up to the 450 MT with nothing but a rider. Not really like for like. Other bike problem with 450 MT is that it has a nice size TFT display however you can't link your phone to it for Google maps, for navigation because the chinese won't pay Google for the right's to use Google maps & make up the interfacing software between google & the TFT display. Royal Enfield however do & have got interfacing for on screen navigation as they do on my Meteor with the Tripper naviation. I think the Chinese need to get over themselves & get into the 21st century.

[@nathanthepostman]

The triumph only had soft bags with probably 6 kilos in them. So total bike weight about 190, five less than cf moto. I'd say they were even Stevens for economy. Obviously no match for a meteor.

[@hondaslex]

The MT450 has a short gearing. This mainly to excel in terrain. If you are riding mainly onroad, ust put a 15 teeth sprocket on it and the mpg will be much better.

[@benlondon8467]

Give us a race version let’s say, 13/14k redline , even less cosmetic stuff,6 months warranty, weapon 👌

[@clunkygearbox]

As noted by another viewer here, the elephant hiding in the room is insurance. If my experience getting my Voge 300 rally insured is any indication, it could well be a deal breaker. Only Bikesure would insure me and for Third Party only. £350 please! (I have a 1200GS insured with them, I'm 69, a good boy, no claims made etc but self employed...) So I would advise checking you can get insurance before parting with cash.

[@nathanthepostman]

I've heard a few have problems. Not sure if it's to do with it being a new bike. Plenty have insured them so it must be possible. Ring around some of the brokers. This one hasn't cost me anymore to insure than the others

[@davidmatthews3093]

My Voge was no problem to insure.

[@clunkygearbox]

Yep,, I agree that it's possible and that personal details and those algorithms matter. I thought I would just highlight the possible issue. I think Nathan you are a valued customer to your broker! Cheers.

[@Tomdogful]

I insured my 450mt on the phone while on the way to dealership here in Australia. AU$390.00 for annual comprehensive. Pretty happy with that.

[@peterfettig8666]

It's crazy what people in other countries pay for bike insurance. I've always paid $75 per year (no matter the bike) with Progressive.

[@ProDigit80]

4:00 75mpg with a 10% overreading speedo. So you're at 68mpg.

[@Dorrzy123]

The only thing that’s holding this bike back is it’s availability unfortunately

[@jeanmichaelc1]

The bike Kawasaki could have made with the Versys "400". But instead their proposition is so lame, that is not even relevant in its own segment. Hopefully this pushes Japanese manufacturers to make more appealing bikes.

[@nathanthepostman]

Totally. Kawasaki could have been on to something good with a proper versys 400

[@Pmz604]

Too bad itchyboot went super oldschool

[@motolover5697]

We'll see in a few years snd when some these bikes reach 100.000km. Till then: no thanks!

[@guyonacub4335]

Just read that KTM are in £2.5 billion euros debt Hopefully they find a way to solve this without compromising engine supply to the Chinese market Or these bikes will be toast

[@ryanengelhardt2519]

Other way around mate, CF Moto have been making KTMs adventure bike engines for years now...

[@markadams6846]

Whilst it's a good bike, I can't see why I'd buy one over an older but more powerful bike with the same weight T7, 990 etc The only reason to buy a small bike IMO is for less weight

[@nathanthepostman]

Why need the power? Why need the weight? Why need an older bike (990) that's going to need work? Lots of reasons I'd personally buy this over those options. But you know, we all spend our money differently. Definitely try one before writing it off. And to be fair the CF Moto forums is well populated by T7 owners trading 'down' for something more manageable.

[@RealHooksy]

I think Sue needs to learn how to ride

[@triarii_00]

just needs cruise control

[@jamesvalpuesta]

I saw an Aussie video on Tube. Some specialist Aussie company has created a bespoke cruise control. Very difficult with a cable throttle. ....... Cost .....£3,000 ISH it was 5-6000 Aussie dollars I remember. It added another set of electronic gubbins on the handlebar and cabling on the bike , but the guy was not bothered about the cost coz he loved his pet MT 450.

[@Tomdogful]

That’s McCruise. They’ve been making CC’s for Moto’s forever and do a great job. Installed one on my KTM 1190r which worked perfectly for a round Australia trip (fly by wire).

[@Rayraysplums]

Not the type of bike for cruise control in my opinion.

[@mikeyb6737]

Fuel economy and range is disgusting. Put the engine bars on and the weight will kill it as a tourer. It looks pretty but the Indian Royal Enfield will last longer. The services are at 5000KMs vs Royal Enfield is 10,000Kms like premium bikes. Its Chinese and that means spare problems down the track with the political; world problems. I listened and you made these issues sound frivolous but to serious ADV people we wont buy it.

[@nathanthepostman]

Fit the crash bars and it'll still feel lighter than Himalayan. 6000 mile service interval on Himalayan involves valve check. valve check on cf moto not til 24000. As someone else said, difference in mpg makes £20 difference per 1000 miles. Political issue for each individual to deal with. No issue with parts for voge. Cf moto now tied with KTM so hopefully will improve things. Reliability to be tested but I have no concerns. If you prefer Himalayan great. Good to have options.

[@0verfiend]

He just hates China. Propagandized.😂

[@BobSmith-vs5jp]

His mums a shitbox

[@stevemackinnon4363]

My Enfield detonated two days after warranty ran out when the pathetic quality of the steel in the primary chain let go, snapped and punched a hole through the block. I had to pay for an independent test to be done, after which I posted on every forum possible. I received an email from India within ten minutes, offering to replace the engine & the Importer ( MotoGB) would do all the leg work. Fair play; they did what they promised, dropped the bike off while I wasn’t at home & when I saw the quality of the crankcase on the new engine I got rid of it straight away! Many people love them, but I’ll never touch an Enfield again. Horses for courses. I’d happily buy a CF Moto. Chinese are well known for poor quality, but when it comes to expensive items, they can match anyone else, they have the ability, you just have to do your homework!

[@stephenedwards3397]

Your spare parts comment is unfounded hyperbole. If world events are so bad that getting spare parts from China is an issue then there is every chance that things are so serious getting them from India or anywhere else will be a problem. Also most likely not that important. CFMoto are a main stream manufacturer now and competing on equal terms with everyone else. As for the rather pretentious, snobbish comment about serious ADV people, take a look on YT for Jarda Sima and see what he has been doing with this brand for the 3 years. Will make you serious ADV types look like you have run down to the shops.

[@saabydo]

Wish you Poms would pick a system. “200 mpg” then 15 seconds later “5 kgs” ffs, Pick a lane already, you all do it.

[@mikeyb6737]

Its a shit box and you know it.